@konkeyDong I think when Self heard MSU shouting "Foul 31!", it became a toughness / manhood issue. It was an identity-building moment.
And a "F*** you, Izzo" moment.
Now it's time for Jamari to lead the team in floor burns this week in practice.
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@drgnslayr said:
It's time he stops viewing every hard game as something to learn from, and starts viewing every hard game as something to teach from.
Amen! and (I hope) Alleluia!
@KUSTEVE For what it's worth, nbadraft.net sees Kelly as a #8 draft pick - but in 2016, 4 places behind Svi. Selden is also seen as coming back for a year. Cliff is the only KU player projected to go pro after this season.
Their projections go along with HEM's prediction of a perimeter logjam next year, but:
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Oubre or Svi leaving would be admitting defeat
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Selden's not transferring that's for sure.
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Hard to see Greene leave when he's a crunch time player right now.
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Mason or Graham? Probably guaranteed to split 45-50 minutes.
Definitely a conundrum...
@HighEliteMajor So the Frankamp transfer, given its timing, was a practically necessary clarification. If Frankamp was leaving, much better leave the team now and not use up a single minute - easier to say when everybody else is hitting 3s... Same for AWIII when you think of it.
What you really meant is 3 will have left for sure, and probably 4 - counting those two.
On not recruiting a perimeter player for next year: I get the reasoning, but what about later years? If too many of those guys leave at the same time, our cupboard is bare and we're back to the problem that put us on the OAD merry-go-round in the first place.
@jaybate-1.0 "Svi at 1, Greene at 2, and Perry at 3, with Oubre at 4 and Cliff at 5".
Tallest guy 6'8", but smallest 6'6" or so.
Perry is a good screener too.
We would need lots of offensive rebounds...
Maybe against zone?
@HighEliteMajor Referring to your opening post: very high quality analysis - I would say "as usual" if I didn't think you were actually raising your own high standard. One sign of superior analysis: many can see what's there, few check what's missing - like Sherlock Holmes who noticed that the dog didn't bark...
@REHawk Either that or get him some good looks from 3 - but since that's out of the question, why not at least let him create?
When was the last time we had at least 1 3-point shooter who was truly part of the offense? BMac? If so, how did he get his shots? Was it really only inside-out all the time? No screens?
Svi on the court makes the others look short. Maybe Self is admitting that because Svi is going to play more?
@drgnslayr AWIII and Frankamp jumping ship probably makes recruit think that even guards aren't allowed to shoot the trey...
I miss BenMac.
@HighEliteMajor "Look at Oubre. He played 4 minutes in the season opener and he's in the top 10 in the 2015 mock draft."
Point well taken. Too bad we can't be there to say "Look at Embiid. Developed so fast he was taken 3d in the draft with known back problems and an injured foot."
@jaybate-1.0 I wasn't trying to treat your question as "humble" or "itty bitty". Until you made the distinction between "breaking the law" and accreditation, I thought you were applying a legal burden of proof to an accreditation issue.
I answered your question as best I could: courses without classes to get around limits on independent study courses (UNC rule), and papers graded without faculty oversight ("standard", in my mind).
That's all I have: neither virtue nor vagary, just itty bitty witttttle answers.
@jaybate-1.0 said:
I am just asking for someone to give me the specific law, regulation, rule, or standard that is written down and the evidence of its violation; that's all.
Is that too much to ask?
I am tempted to say maybe yes, it is too much to ask.
Should rules be programmed so that a computer can calculate compliance? This isn't math or multiple choice. There should be room for human discernment and judgement.
The computer that graded you did not decide what answer was right: it noted whether you got the answer the teacher said was right. I would also hope that the "grades" students gave each other were reviewed to some extent by the teacher; in any case that surely wasn't the entire basis for the semester grade.
At UNC, it appears there was intent to inflate GPAs in order to maintain eligibility, without any interaction between teacher and student, and without anything resembling "learning" taking place. There appear to be principles at stake here, if not "rules".
You say you have sifted through this. Exactly what sources have you consulted?
P.S. I see you added "I could even see where accreditation programs might come in and say UNC has some courses where they are not meeting "our" standards for accreditation." That's all I'm saying, so I guess we agree.
@jaybate-1.0 From what I read, there were two allegations that might be troubling from a legal point of view:
1) There were courses that did not have classes, called "independent study", but there were limits on how many you could take. The fake courses pretended to have classes but there was no attendance. So UNC had a rule that it did not uphold.
2) The teachers didn't grade the papers, a secretary did.
Put the two together and there were courses with zero interaction between teacher and student and zero real work on the part of the student: no teaching and no learning, but credit was given.
Sounds like the old Bartles and Jaymes commercial; "...so Ed wrote off to Harvard for an MBA..."
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I agree that Self's system (plus whatever else it takes to go far) requires time to learn.
Look at the difference between 2007 and 2008: basically the same players, just more experience. Self said he had 54 different plays he could call in 2008.
2012: all seniors and juniors.
2013: 4 seniors and a freshman.
2014: we had to replace our entire starting lineup, which explains in large part why we are on the OAD merry-go-round since then.
"Brained" Greene
"Goner" Frankamp
@JRyman "Truck" Traylor
@JayHawkFanToo Detail: Soccer World Cup there are 32 teams. After the pools, there are 16 teams that play single elimination. So there are 4 rounds of single elimination, not just 2.
Jesse Newell recognized for coverage of University of Kansas sports â
Congratulations, Jesse! Well deserved. I don't see you staying in our small market very long, but I'm enjoying it while it lasts.
Matt Tait was a finalist in Jesse's category: we are digitally spoiled, people...
@Statmachine Try Debbie Crowder: you can stay home in front of the TV and she'll still give you an "A".
Why didn't Roy get her named to head the NCAA? he could have gotten the title without playing a game...and no one would have been the wiser, right?
How about our Chancellor?
Employment history at UNC (source wikipedia of course):
- 1993â1998 Chair, Department of Psychology
- 1999â2001 Senior Associate Dean â Undergraduate Education
- 2001â2004 Executive Associate Provost
- 2004â2006 Dean, College of Arts and Sciences
- 2006â2009 Executive Vice Chancellor and Provost
@drgnslayr said:
"sperm blanks"?!?!?
Not much danger from jaybate's DNA there!
THOF (Typo Hall of Fame)!
I am with drgnslayr on this. My hopes are: conference championship; don't care about conf tournament; get past the first weekend; play to our seed. If we lose our streak or don't make the sweet 16 yes I will be disappointed. How I take our last loss depends on how we lose.
I think the idea is to play Selden at power forward, but make the other team think he's the point guard so Selden can post up against the other team's point guard.
Otherwise I don't get Self's comment that Selden can post up. Surely he's not supposed to post up against a real big? Where's the MUA?
MUA: Selden should post up when he's guarded by a 2 and drive when he's guarded by a 4, not vice versa.
This is not the first preseason we've heard about non-bigs posting up: how often did we see it?
@drgnslayr "AW3...was a guy with a different hill to climb and I don't think we got him focused where he needed to be." If true, that is very sad because he didn't lack focus! You really think his tremendous effort was not in the right direction?
By the way, really like the "hill to climb" metaphor - and not just because I was in San Francisco a week ago ;)
@DanR Michigan State was the most "normal" loss. If memory serves, they were seeded higher and went to the Championship game.
Roy had fewer "bad losses" in the Tournament and fewer "great wins". I think none of us would trade our NC for zero losses the first weekend.
@JayHawkFanToo Talent-wise we are comparable to the '07 team.
@JayHawkFanToo White is one year ahead of Greene. He has only 2 years of eligibility left, so it was transfer now or never.
Greene can afford to wait one more year and see what happens.
By the way, Self recently said to a relative that Greene would wind up in the NBA no matter what Self does.
If only we could have had Greene's talent and White's attitude in the same player...
Starting last season, I shake my head every time I read a comparison to the 2008 team. Folks, my head hurts, this has to stop.
The 2008 team was the 2007 team one year later. OK, Wright left but that's it.
What I mean is the 2008 team had experience and had played together a long time. Last year and this year we are counting on too many freshmen to allow comparisons with 2008. Even 2007 is a reach.
Self wants to win all the time, period. He may talk more now about focusing on March, but he says a lot of things that he winds up not doing. He is very convincing except when he talks to himself.
Roy always bad mouthed the conference tournament. He didn't win the conference tournament as often as Self, and he had an 8-year streak of not making the Final Four. So I don't think losing the conference tourney is the panacea for playing better in the NCAAs.
Self is 3-1 in April: that is pretty good. The underperformance is in the first weekend of the NCAAs. We make the Sweet 16 every year and no one can reasonably talk about underperformance: every team has had its VCU.
drgnslayr asks if ending the streak will give the players a "chip" in March. I wonder we should focus on the players. What will ending the streak do to Self??? Losing in the first weekend is on him: underscouting, underpreparing, not enough in-game adjustments and general tightness on the sideline. Will ending the streak loosen him up? I don't see it.
If the team needs to overcome adversity to get that extra boost, I'd rather it come a little earlier. I would prefer getting Niked by UK to losing the conference streak.
Anyway, I prefer "competitive greatness" to the "chip". Everyone out there is getting better; this team has to get better faster than everyone else, starting three weeks ago.
@JRyman Wow! My man is JRyman, he go from tired to inspired. My JRyman...
I suggest starting the analysis with "how many FGAs will the team get?" This goes back to drgnslayr's point about winning by getting more possessions. Will we disrupt more, allowing us to run more? Will we get lots of offensive rebounds? Blocks in bounds? Defensive rebounds with good outlet passes?
In other words, how will we create extra possessions, and especially transition possessions where we don't have to run our half-court stuff to get a shot?
@JayHawkFanToo said:
(and his wife)
Ditto. What's anyone's wife got to do with basketball? Do we condone marital rumors about Coach Self?
@jaybate-1.0 It's just "There and Back Again" (of Hobbit fame) with "There" translated into French. Didn't mean to be obscure.
Hobbits were the ultimate X-axis players in Middle Earth!
Do the Limbo, Frank! "How low can you go?"
Limbo Rock Chalk!
@drgnslayr I am in total agreement with you and could not imagine expressing my view better!
As far as disappointment is concerned, I try to moderate my expectations - not my hopes, but my expectations.
I use the Tournament seedings to set my expectations, a bit like others who use the ranking to set expectations for new recruits (aHEM!)
If we are a 1 seed, I expect to make the Final Four - not win the NC, but make the Final Four. If we are a 2 seed, I expect to make the Elite Eight. In other words, I expect us to play to our seed.
I've mentioned before that KU's home field advantage could be a small contributing factor to Tournament disappointment. Our home field advantage may give us an extra win or make us seem a bit better, which leads to a higher seed than we may "deserve", which leads to underperforming our seed in the Tournament.
Whether that's a factor or not, I try not to be disappointed if we play to seed. It is true that often we have not.
Roger Staubach retired early because he was worried about the long term effects of concussions. He had 5 or 6 during his pro career and decided that was enough.
Zach Peters had his basketball career cut short because of concussions, although they did not all occur while playing football. Amateur boxers wear protective headgear: maybe they should mandate that for any basketball players who have previously had concussions?
I'm rooting for Joel even though he can't play. He was the most exciting player in years: incredible talent, surprising improvement, a real character on and off the court. Wiggins was boring in comparison. Frankly, we would have been better off in the NCAAs if Wiggins had been hurt instead of Joel.
And I'm not just saying that because he can tweet in French! Besides, his French and mine have little en commun.
KU basketball players make money playing basketball: why else do they work all those camps during the summer?
The issue is, can they make money directly from their participation in KU basketball?
A Lit major can write a book and sell it, yes, but does he/she get paid for doing an assignment? No.
Suppose the assigned work later gets published: then the author makes money.
The O'Bannon ruling is like that: players only get paid if their image is sold, they don't get paid simply because they are playing.
Joel Embiid is a big favorite of mine for his play at KU, his personality and his French (even if we don't speak the same dialect). He's having fun while we're still waiting for the real Andrew Wiggins to stand up.
Joel is taking risks, so he will eventually make mistakes and have to learn from them. That's life, if you accept to live it.
@icthawkfan316 Good points, though depressing. At least he got the max contract.
@drgnslayr That article explains again why Wiggins' signing is not a reprieve. As long as he didn't sign, the Cavs could never trade him for Love because they only had his rights, and the contract value of his rights in a trade would be 0$.
By signing, Wiggins starts the clock on the 30 day waiting period. If he had waited to sign, he could have started the clock at the last minute and forced the Cavs to watch him be on the same floor with Lebron, at least for awhile. Anyway, too late now.
To me, this means his handlers are OK with him leaving. Can't figure out why, unless as jaybate surmises their brains stop below their ankles.
@JayHawkFanToo I'm basing on stuff I read, so I might be misinformed. What I read was that in trades total salary on both sides must be similar, and that unsigned players' estimated salaries do not count in the total. This is a specific context, so could be compatible with your statements on the CBA.
This is why the Cavs need to sign Wiggins before they trade him: so they can count his salary in the trade. This is also why Wiggins can gum up the works if he refuses to sign right away, especially since the trade can't become effective until 30 days after he signs.
I know this is a CBB thread but there have been other Wiggins vs. Love posts, so here goes:
Wiggins should just not sign his contract until he absolutely has to.
NBA rules mandate trades with similar total contract values. Unsigned, Wiggins' contract value in a trade is 0$. The numbers don't add up unless Wiggins is signed; then the trade can't happen for 30 days.
If I'm Wiggins, I ask for a no trade clause until January 1st, 2015. Give me a chance. Otherwise, I'll just sign as late as possible so I at least have 30 days to show what I can do.
Teams want dogs that are alpha on the court and tails between their legs when dealing with management. Go alpha, Andrew!
@JayHawkFanToo @drgnslayr I imagine teams like KU and UK, with many enthusiastic fans, would be emotional "overdogs" to some extent, so logic would say to bet against them.
I wonder if there is any record of how these or other teams do against the spread?
If I ever did bet on a sports event, I would prefer odds rather than a point spread. I would hate not betting on the outcome itself.
I love this site.
I greatly value and appreciate the content and the work of approx, bskeet and others.
...but I hate nodebs (spelling intended).
Having to scroll and scroll and scroll to get to the new stuff is a pain, and just doesn't work on an iPhone without wifi.
There is a mainstay of application architecture: separate presentation and data management. Here the data is in a "black box" so any problems and we just start over.
I am for starting over; however, it would be best to start with something where the content is distinct from the interface so each can be fixed without impacting the other.
Having said this, I am sure it would be extremely disruptive to replace node** with something else, so let's just move forward.
I suppose having a site by season is not such a bad thing anyway.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
Mike Tyson
"Joel Embiid has been faking the injuries as a practical joke that only Cameroonians get..."
@jaybate 1.0
Danny Ainge was named honorary Cameroonian last week.