HOLY SHIT!!!
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Go for it, you have nothing to lose at this point.
At least they scored quickly so KU still has time left.
Why the hell do you keep kicking it there?
Damn!
How did he drop that?
Mike Lee is going to seriously injure himself on one those tackles these days. He lowered his head and led with the top his head, very dangerous and he does that regularly.
Blocking on kicks has been terrible tonight. They need to fix the blocking scheme for FG's.
Stop angling the damn kick!!
Did that block come through the same gap as the first block?
Really missing Herbert's blocking abilities. Pooka is too small to be an effective pass blocker.
@BShark It has been fun, but this game also doesn't have my full attention though. I've been flipping back and forth between this game and the Astros/Yankees game, mostly watching the Astros game.
@Crimsonorblue22 I have PSVue which carries the Longhorn Network so I'm watching it on TV.
I regret not driving over to Austin and going to the game tonight.
I will say that I'm surprised how much love the LHN announcers are giving to KU. I would've expected them to be much more biased towards UT considering it's the school's network. I've actually enjoyed their announcers for the most part.
drgnslayr said:
Isn't the Big 12 still a major conference? Except for last year, KU owns the Big 12 in basketball. Seems like it could be a better investment to own the team that owns a major conference instead of a team that is one of many in another major conference.
I don't know. I felt a bit enlightened after your post and will think about that for a while.
Yes, the B12 is still a major conference, but so was the Big East before the ACC raided and destroyed that league.
With the way TV is going the way it is and the talk of possible CFP expansion, having just 4 major conferences makes that much simpler because the conference title games would become the quarter final games.
Both of the B12's TV partners flat out telling the B12 they couldn't expand a couple of years ago was very telling about where Fox and ESPN view the B12 and it wasn't positive for the B12's future for the next round of conference realignment which will start heating up in the next couple of years when the B12's deals are up.
@wissox It's the same situation as when Connor Frankamp left KU. Frankamp began his sophomore year at KU during the fall semester. He chose to leave KU for Wichita St. during the fall semester. Because he began the semester at KU, that counted as a semester of eligibility even though he left before the basketball season started. He still had to sit out a spring and fall semester to meet the NCAA's transfer requirements.
@drgnslayr With as much money as Adidas is spending on KU, they will not let KU get left out of the next round of realignment. You don't spend almost $200 million on a deal with a school to leave them out of a major conference.
@drgnslayr Texas did try to leave the B12 during the last round of realignment, but the Longhorn Network is what kept them from leaving. There was supposedly a deal in place for Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas, and Colorado to head to the P12, but that was contingent on UT giving up the LHN. KU was involved in that deal because of them playing nice with Texas and being the B12 game that has aired on LHN every year they've played in Austin since the network's launch and that was UT helping KU out for playing nice.
Regardless of people's opinions of Texas, the Longhorn Network is what's holding the league together at this point.
I do agree with those however who believe the B12 is on its last legs. When Fox and ESPN each told the B12 they wouldn't redo the contract to get the league back to 12 teams a couple of years ago, that was the writing on the wall that the league won't survive. KU will end up in either the P12 because KU is a great cultural fit in the P12, but the LGBT bill will probably keep that from happening. Or KU ends up in B10 where it is a better geographic fit.
@mayjay Baylor was granted a charter before Texas statehood in 1845. The college itself was coed, but the classes were still segregated by gender. Eventually they split a few years later with the male university moving to Waco and merging with Waco University to become Baylor and a female university (Baylor Women's College) that eventually become known as Mary Hardin Baylor during the Great Depression.
I have quite a few friends that have gone to each school so I've heard about their histories several times before.
@mayjay UMHB is a top D3 program so that's definitely a big blow for that program.
@jayballer73 Yes, KU would've had recruits if Beaty was still here. The reason the 2019 class was the mess that it was is because Beaty was a lame duck coach going into the season so recruiting was hurt due to that. If Beaty wasn't on the hot seat in 2018 either, that class would look very different as well and he would've had a solid 2019 class as well.
Beaty came to KU with a reputation as a good recruiter and he absolutely upgraded the talent at KU. It was most other aspects of coaching that he was subpar at.
KU was about 5 plays away from being a bowl team in 2018. They aren't far away now either. KU is a QB away from being 4-2 this year. For all the crap Beaty gets, he left Les Miles in a much better position than what Charlie Weis left Beaty in.
@kjayhawks is going to be extremely excited about this one. Les Miles announced today that Les Koenning has been relieved of his duties immediately and promoted Brent Dearmon to OC.
Dearmon was the HC at NAIA Bethel University in Tennessee where he guided that program to a 10-0 regular season record and averaged 540 yards of offense and 55 ppg in 2018. Dearmon has also been an OC at D2 Arkansas Tech and an offensive analyst at Auburn under Gus Malzahn.
@wissox In the district I work in, there's only 4 football stadiums total. None of the high schools have on campus stadiums for sub varsity teams. We have the main stadium where the varsity teams play. There's an auxiliary stadium and two stadiums on middle school campuses. That's 4 fields to play games on for 5 HS varsity teams, 15 sub varsity HS teams and up to 48 middle school teams (12 middle schools, 2 grade levels with 2 teams each). One of the middle school games each week is played at a local private school's field just to make the logistics work. It's been about 20 years since our district has had a team reach the semi finals of the state playoffs. The biggest reason is because of the lack of quality facilities in the district so kids that have real D1 talent are frequently recruited by local private schools or other school districts with better facilities.
@FarmerJayhawk Another example in Texas of holding minorities down and a contributing factor in the disparity of conviction rates and sentence lengths is the prison system. I can't speak on other states, but in Texas, most prisons are privately owned and operated. They are also among the richest and most powerful lobby groups in the state. They don't make money by rehabbing convicted criminals so they don't become repeat offenders, they make money by keeping those prisons as full as possible.
This lobby group is why Texas will be among the last states to decriminalize marijuana, let alone legalize it even for medicinal use. Marijuana convictions are big business in Texas, along with other misdemeanor level drug crimes because those fill these private prisons and fund a lot of law enforcement agencies in the state.
This video does a good job of showing what systemic racism in this country looks like today and explaining the obstacles that black people in this country still deal with that white people do not have to deal with.
Systemic racism is still alive and well in this country whether people choose to admit it or not. It is still a much bigger problem in this country than either the left of the right wants to admit. The government doesn't want to change the system that's been in place for decades because then they lose their power and lose their ability to control inner city culture.
How long has gun violence been an issue in Chicago? How much funding does the Chicago public school system get in proportion to other suburban districts in the Chicago area?
There are lots of issues in inner city culture. I'm sure anyone who has ever taught or worked closely with that community has a lot of personal stories about kids who were smart enough to get the grades and stay out of trouble to be able to attend college, but we're unable to due to circumstances beyond their control.
At the school I work at, about 1/3 of my students still don't have internet in their homes or any type of computer including a smartphone or tablet. My school district doesn't have the funding to provide class sets of technology (laptops or tablets), let alone 1:1 technology like just about every suburban district in the area has. Whenever my district has a training promoting the latest computer based program to "help" those kids play catch up, my first question to those people is always how will that program benefit those students who have teachers that don't have technology in their classrooms for each student and those students have no technology at home. Their answers are typically along the lines of saying a student can stay after school for tutoring. Seems like a reasonable answer until the variable that most of those students are the ones that can't stay because they have to go home immediately after school because their parents work multiple jobs and aren't home to prepare dinner for the younger siblings who can't take care of themselves. Those Professional Development people typically don't have a good answer for that one.
Then, when it comes time for standardized testing, these are the districts that typically perform the lowest on those scores. When those districts perform poorly, they lose funding and that money goes to higher performing districts. Here in Houston, HISD (biggest district in Texas and 8th biggest nationally based on enrollment last I checked) has shut down about 15 schools in last couple of years due to a lack of funding.
When the system in place is telling those kids that your school isn't worth funding and providing you with a safe place to get an education to get out the cycle of poverty, then those kids grow up not trusting that same system, most people act surprised by that.
If the system truly wanted to change and actually make a real difference in inner city culture and make a real difference, states would start giving out more funding to lower performing schools instead of less funding to the point those kid's schools are closing leaving them fewer and fewer options to escape that situation. Providing a bigger percentage of funding to inner city districts won't pay off in the short term because change takes time. It's a long term investment the government doesn't want to make because the inner city culture is an easy scapegoat for a lot of hot button issues in this country.
Whenever you do hear about a kid making it out of that life and out of the inner city for good, you never hear that they did it on their own. There was always someone to help that kid out whether it was a teacher, counselor, coach, family member, or some kind of mentor to keep that kid accountable to help that kid navigate things no one in their family knows anything about.
Those kids that make are also the same one that are most likely to go right back into that community to pay it forward. As far as a specific KU example goes, Ben McLemore is a perfect example of someone who made it out of the inner city (not on his own) and now gives back because he has the means to. His goal is to be that inspiration for others to make out of inner city St. Louis by providing an easier path for those kids that wouldn't have existed otherwise.
Warrick Dunn and DeShaun Watson is another great example of what paying it forward can do. For those who don't know the story, Warrick Dunn's mom was a police officer in Baton Rogue and was murdered during an armed robbery while she was off duty helping a woman make a bank deposit. After Dunn made some money in the NFL, he began a charity organization that providing homes to single moms and one of those homes went to current Houston Texans QB DeShaun Watson's family. Does Watson make it to Clemson or the NFL without that assistance? Maybe, maybe not, but the odds increased significantly when his mom received that home and moved out of inner city Atlanta.
Black people in this country could vote in elections beginning in 1870. Southern white people didn't believe that people that had been their slaves until 5 years prior were worthy of that honor and privilege so that created a barrier to vote in the form of literacy tests and poll taxes. The polling administrators were free to waive these barriers whenever they pleased and our legal system said that's not an issue. If you Google those literacy tests, one of the first one's to come up is the literacy test used in the state of Louisiana in the 1950's and 1960's. It states that the test taker has 10 minutes to complete 30 questions and must get every question correct in order to vote. It claims to be a test at the 5th grade level so I give it to my 7th graders every year during a unit on the Reconstruction era of US history, specifically when teaching them about Jim Crow laws. I have yet to have a student meet the criteria to vote. I didn't even pass it the first time I took and had to look up a couple of answers to that test. The academic language in that test is absolutely at a 5th grade level, but that test was worded in a very confusing manner to purposely trip up those who were forced to take that test.
Another example here in Texas has to deal the STAAR test which is the name of the state standardized test in Texas. I forget which grade level it was exactly, but it an early elementary question that asked students to identify what a bed was. Seems simple enough right? It's not because the answer choices were all pictures and two of the answer choices were a picture of a couch and the floor. For inner city kids, a lot of them choose either the couch or the floor. Does that make those kids dumb that chose those answers? A lot of people would say yes, but no, those kids aren't dumb. When some of those kids were asked why they chose the "wrong" answer, their responses were very telling and showed they weren't dumb. A lot of them responded that they knew a bed is where someone sleeps at night and that those kids that chose "wrong" didn't choose wrong, they chose the couch or the floor because that's where they sleep at night because the don't have a bed in manner the question was asking.
In this country the decked is still stacked against black people and black communities. Not as stacked as it was 60 years ago, but it's still stacked against them in many ways people don't realize.
I have a co-worker name De'Eric. Before becoming a teacher he worked a 9-5 corporate job as some kind of investor or CPA. He was a very successful at his job pulling in over 100k a year (mostly commission). He said didn't have much opportunity for advancement because he worked for a small firm that was family owned and ran. He was looking to move up the ladder and his current company was supportive of him in that was the culture of that company to help fresh out of college kids who didn't want to work for one of the major investment companies. As he starts applying to other positions, he's not getting very many call backs. One of the jobs he applied to that he never got an interview with was given to someone he knew who was much less qualified for that position. He's still looking and he sees that position come available again a couple of months later so he applied again. That second time though, he changed his name on his resume from De'Eric to just Eric and got an interview a couple of days later. At that interview he asked why he didn't get an interview the first time around and the interviewer got extremely defensive about the matter, especially when De'Eric brought up that he was a classmate of the previous person who was fired after about 2 months and knew was unqualified for that position. I don't remember all the details, but it basically boiled down the people at the company he was applying to didn't like how black sounding his name was.
After that interview is when De'Eric said he made the decision that he was going to become a teacher at an inner city district so he could help young black kids out a d be a role model for them.
@HighEliteMajor, while you yourself may not be a racist, a lot of your beliefs about how things are and should be like the NCAA not changing to adapt to the current culture and needs is showing support for a system that is still designed to keep the playing field unequal for black people.
Black people were oppressed for over 300 years in this country. Trusting a system that has allowed black people to be exploited, even still today in some areas, does not go away in 50 years. It takes time and effort and the system in place in this country is still oppressing black culture.
Do black people in America have opportunity in this country? Yes. Do they have the same opportunities that white people in this country have? Absolutely not.
Can the NCAA help inner city culture by altering their rules? Absolutely, but they choose not to because there's still quite a few high ranking members who grew up when segregation was still legal and still have a mindset that black people are inferior even if they'll never admit to it because they're smart enough not to admit to it for fear of losing their cushy jobs.
@Crimsonorblue22 He does and he's been called multiple times throughout his career for targeting. The bigger issue though that habit is going to result in him not getting up after one of those hits.
I never argued the late hit out of bounds was the right call, just that Lee was lucky he didn't get called for targeting because he lowered his head to make that hit.
Lee is lucky he didn't get called for targeting on that hit.
Lee is possibly going to be ejected for that one.
It's a shame it appears Stanley is playing well against OU because even with Stanley playing his A game, KU still isn't likely to win this game.
@stoptheflop It tells me MacVittie's probably not grasping the offense or he just sucks. At this point, I'm waiting for when they decide to give Torry Locklin a shot.
Herbert is a very good back that can help a top 25 program next year as a lead back and significantly increase his draft stock. If he can put up almost 300 yards in a game behind KU's OLine, imagine what he could do on a regular basis behind a quality OLine?
@kjayhawks Had Les Miles recruited King to LSU, I wouldn't have ruled out that possibility of KU being a potential destination, but LSU didn't recruit King out of HS, so it would be very surprising if he considered KU now.
Based on his recruiting profile and current situations of those schools/coaches that recruited him out of high school, I would bet on King ending up at either TCU or Michigan State.
dylans said:
@approxinfinity likely just because the new rule allows it and KU is still bad. I’m curious if Houston’s QB will be the next transfer Heisman hopeful at Oklahoma.
D'Eriq King is nowhere near the QB that Mayfield, Murray, or Hurts are. He's a solid QB that can help a mid level P5 program, but he's not an elite prospect.
@HighEliteMajor I've been of the opinion the NCAA has needed to overhaul their system since long before KU was ever under investigation. I shifted my discussion from the suggestions to tweaking the system to the system itself because of your response to my first post.
The NCAA created this mess long ago when they chose to turn a blind eye to rumors of players getting paid in both football and basketball instead of investigating and shutting down anything they found. They hammer a program about once a decade to keep up appearances of being in control when the reality is the NCAA lost control of amateurism long ago in college athletics. What the NCAA did isn't much different than MLB turning a blind eye to steroid abuse in the 80's and 90's and then essentially black listing players who took advantage of the system in place. The biggest difference between MLB and the NCAA in this case though is that MLB had the ability to enforce their own rules and began testing for steroids and punishing those found guilty of taking steroids. The NCAA doesn't have the resources to enforce their own rules evenly so they still turn a blind eye to a lot of stuff worthy of investigating.
This is why I'm an advocate for the NCAA to get together with schools from different levels of competition from the P5 schools all the way down to D3 programs and work with those schools to create a set of rules the NCAA can enforce at all levels. That also likely means the NCAA is going to give ground on players profiting from their likeness in some ways.
I'm not in the camp of saying someone like Zion should be able to sign a multi-million dollar shoe contract in college. Letting him auction off the shoe he blew out against UNC would get decent money. Someone like Zion would be in minority of actually being able to make life changing money as a college athlete. Most players would make a few hundred or so a year because of their relative obscurity to most fans.
I don't think a player should be able to sign endorsement deals and make money that way, but if someone is a budding music artist, let them make money off their music like any other student could do. The NCAA needs to be willing to work with their member schools to create a system that is agreed upon and enforceable. That means both sides would have to compromise on issues in order to reach that agreement. What would make the most impact at that point and determine if the new system would be effective is that NCAA would have to enforce those new rules fairly across the board from powerhouse programs all the way to the worst D3 programs.
@kjayhawks He did and I don't like the new redshirt rule because it's already led to situations where good players are quitting mid season to preserve eligibility to play for another program the next season. QB D'Eriq King at Houston is doing the same thing. Missouri's QB that played at Clemson last year, can't think of his name right now, did the same thing last season. That's a rule I want to see get changed.
@HighEliteMajor The issue at hand and why people are pushing for rules changes are because the NCAA either cannot or will not enforce their own rules fairly.
Having the NCAA meet with representatives from every level of member schools from P5, mid major conferences, FCS, D2, and D3 schools to come up with a system that the NCAA is capable of enforcing fairly across the board is something that needs to happen.
The fact is the current system is broken and your suggestion to do nothing doesn't fix a broken system. It doesn't have to be radical changes, but there do need to be changes made so the NCAA can enforce their rules.
The NCAA needs to set forth specific reasons and ways a player can earn extra money that may not have been permissable before. Letting a kid do an autograph signing somewhere and putting a cap on number of appearances, time, and price they can be there. Allowing players to auction off jersey's and putting a cap on how much a player can make up front and putting the rest in a trust that can only be accessed once the player runs out of eligibility whether that's because they turned pro or graduated. If they drop and do neither and have eligibility because of that, they can't touch the money. Allowing EA Sports to make NCAA video games again and giving each player $500-1000 similar to a class action settlement. Make that moment be based off of projected sales.
Some of these ideas would need to be fleshed out more and given more specific details or tweaked, but these are simple ideas that cause a lot of issues for programs when they come to light that really should be changed by the NCAA.
When the QB is as bad as Stanley is, it severely limits the options the OC has when it comes to play calling. Because Stanley isn't much of a threat with his arm, teams are loading up to stop the run. With Herbert gone, the RB depth has largely disappeared as well. That freshman had some moments so hopefully he can fill that void Herbert is leaving.
The players Miles has also weren't recruited to play in a more pro style offense that Miles and Koenning prefer. They were recruited for the spread that Beaty ran which we started to see make some strides last year when most of the players fit that system.
It's going to take Miles time to recruit to his preferred offensive system.
Having a good QB can mask many problems, but KU doesn't have that right now so the flaws get exposed much more easily.
@kjayhawks Herbert had 43 carries in 4 games including 17 in week 1 without Pooka to share the load with. He was looking at averaging 6-7 carries per game the rest of the way this year.
I never said anything about Herbert being a 30 carry per game back, but he's also wasn't going to get very many carries the rest of the way at KU either. He's going to go somewhere that he'll get 15-20 touches per game as the number 1 back for some program that's much better than KU and significantly increase his NFL profile because of that.
@kjayhawks It doesn't matter what his star ranking was 4 years ago. Herbert sitting out the rest of the year to preserve his eligibility is only makes sense if he plans to grad transfer somewhere he could be a featured back.
@jayballer73 Real simple, Herbert sits the rest of this year, transfers to a higher profile program, boosts his NFL draft profile. He is looking out for his own best interests to reach the NFL.
Rumors about Khalil Herbert are that he's going to sit out the rest of this season thanks to the redshirt rules that says you can play in four games and still redshirt and then likely be a grad transfer elsewhere after the season.
If that's true, he's going to be one of the most sought after grad transfers this year along with QB D'Eric King from Houston who is sitting out the rest of this year as well.
This is a rule the NCAA is going to have to modify or get rid of in the near future because of its effect on teams midseason.
The receivers didn't help Stanley much today, but Carter Stanley played like shit today. Stanley has had 1 good game and 3 bad games this year. This is why he's better suited as a back up.
As bad as the 1st half was, the 2nd half would've been the perfect chance to put someone else in at QB and let them see what they could do.
I wanna see a new QB today. KU isn't winning today so this is the perfect chance to see what Locklin can do at this point in his development.
@bskeet 38-0 at halftime doesn't reflect complete domination?
This is the game to try out someone else at QB.
This looks like 2017 so far.