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nwhawkfan said:

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@wrwlumpy great job as always! Do you have any idea how old these guys are? I know they do mission work and are older, just wondered how much older. Thx!

Just thinking...when their fans chant "Who's your daddy?", they could almost be talking literally!

Seriously, though, I couldn't find any player age info on the BYU website. I'm guessing they average at least 4-5 years older than KU. Not just because of the missions, but because most of their players stick around to graduate.

Mormon missions typically last for 2 years and occur after a student's freshman year. Not always the case, but this is the majority of their student athletes that go on mission.

Defense has been trash most of the night.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Moss doesn't pass well

On the offensive end, he's basically Lagerald Vick. He's a little bit better of a ball handler, but pretty much a Vick clone on that end.

kjayhawks said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 The difference is, its putting up more points and yardage against better teams man. Nothing you can say will change that. It is my opinion that Koenning sucks a**, but it is a fact that Dearman has done better. Opinions don’t change facts but facts change opinions of logically thinking individuals. I know you have a connection there but he ain’t nothing and ain’t never held a job so hard to argue otherwise. At least we have had fun arguing, more so than watching the game lol, you can have the last word peace my friend.

I've never called Koenning an elite OC because he's not. He's also not nearly as crappy as you claim. Carter Stanley however is the worst QB KU has had in the post Mangino/Reesing era. I've talked with wide receivers that played under Weis and Beaty with all of those QB's during that stretch. Straight up said Carter Stanley is a bad QB that makes bad passes and bad decisions.

Dearmon's offense is also going to naturally put up more yards because of the style of offense it is. Now that there's tape of the Kansas version of his offense, we're seeing teams shut it down just they did after tape of Koenning's version came out.

Since you want to keep harping on the Coastal game, KU averaged 4.7 yards per carry that game. Running the football was not the issue that game. It was Carter Stanley's inability to get anything going in the passing game that night that cost KU that game. Stanley threw for 109 yards on 19 attempts with 2 picks that game. If Carter Stanley had done anything in the passing game that night, KU wins that game.

The reason Stanley has a higher completion % than Bender did last year is because Stanley's attempts are mostly short passes where the receiver has to make a man miss to gain yards. Peyton Bender threw a lot more intermediate and deep passes than Stanley does. That's why the completion % is better for Stanley. There's two stats however that Bender was much better than Stanley and those are why he was a far superior QB to Stanley. Bender was sacked at a lot lower rate than Stanley is and Bender didn't turn the ball over at the rate Stanley does. Bender made much better reads and decisions than Stanley did and that's why he kept beating Stanley out for the QB job.

kjayhawks said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 you are the stupidest person alive if you don’t think KSU and OSU defenses aren’t light years ahead of Coastals. KSU is in the top 5 in several categories nationally.

Never said Coastal had a better defense, but for all the hype about what Dearmon did at an NAIA school last year, his offense is nothing ground breaking, it's an RPO based offense. The only real difference between his offense and Les Koenning's offense is the base formations and who the QB reads on plays.

Koenning's offense was primarily based out of formations with 2 backs, 2 receivers, and a TE with the QB making his read based off of the DE/OLB for a zone read. In Dearmon's RPO based offense, he prefers spreading out with 1 back, and either 4 receivers or 3 receivers and a TE with the QB typically reading the Strong Safety or OLB as his key.

Dearmon's offense also makes the QB make an extra decision which for a QB who isn't very good at making decisions, adding an extra one for him to make doesn't seem like the best strategy to maximize what little ability Stanley has.

kjayhawks said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 while your logic is correct about not running the ball well, you forget that our ku we’d were inflated by playing a weak Rutgers and CMU team. Several games KU had trouble rushing a year. I also hate to tell Carter Stanley has a better competition percentage, yards per attempt and passing yards that Bender had last season. They both suck IMO.

Peyton Bender also didn't turn ball over the way Stanley does.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@FarmerJayhawk How has Nick Saban's defense fared against spread offenses with good, mobile QB's like what they've seen against LSU, Clemson, Auburn, or Georgia? They get torched because a 3-4 is a bad fit against that style of offense. If more SEC teams ran that system, Bama's defense wouldn't look as elite as they typically do.

A 3-4 defense has never been a good fit against spread offenses with a mobile QB. It opens up too many running lanes.

Saban vs:
LSU 9-3
Clemson 2-3
Auburn 8-4
Georgia 5-1
Total: 24-10. So I'd say pretty good? Michigan and BC under Don Brown based out of the 3-4 for years and led FBS in total D for like 3 years in a row. Georgia bases out of it now. If it was so bad why are elite defensive coaches playing it? You can scheme that some by spying a LB or playing zone behind it.

LSU didn't run a spread offense until this year and they torched Saban's defense. Auburn with elite QB's have torched Saban's defense over the years. Saban has a losing record against Clemson, go figure.

Saban gets by with superior talent, not superior strategy.

kjayhawks said:

@FarmerJayhawk, he doesn’t like numbers because they prove he’s wrong repeatedly. This game right here mirrors the offensive production of the Coastal game and we are playing a ranked team on the road but it’s very comparable to @Texas-Hawk-10. So Koenning gets a pass for only putting up 7 on a mid major at home that averages letting up over 30 lmao. You can’t make up the stupidity.

How are those numbers doing for KU's offense under Dearmon the past two games? You are fucking blind as hell if you think the OC has been the root KU's offensive issues this year and not the shitty QB running the show that has now looked like shit for multiple games in a row under 5 OC's throughout his career at KU now. At what point do you place Carter Stanley's issues on Carter Stanley and not Les Koenning? Guess what, Carter Stanley was shit before Koenning, shit under Koenning, and shit after Koenning.

kjayhawks said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Sorry but common sense says you can’t play bully ball with no offensive line which is what Koenning tried, repeatedly.

You're showing how little you actually know about football strategy and play calling right now.

KU ran the ball just fine with basically the same OLine as last year, center being the one change. The difference is last year, KU had a consistent passing game that forced defenses to respect the passing game. Carter Stanley doesn't make defenses respect his passing ability so defenses have loaded up against Pooka all year and forced KU's passing game to do something.

So when an offense has a great RB, with no passing game to support that running back, they load up to stop Pooka. When Carter Stanley has the occasional good game (3 out of 10 this year), the running game works just fine.

Common sense tells me that 5 or 6 blockers, no matter how good they are, will not win against 7-8 defenders because it's a numbers game.

KU has a decent OLine, good RB's, above average receiving group, but the worst QB in the P5.

Your man crush on Carter Stanley going back multiple years has blinded you to the fact that he is a terrible QB that makes even the most respected of offensive minds look like he doesn't know what he's doing.

A zone read based offense (Koenning) and an RPO based offense (Dearmon) have the same basic principles of needing a QB capable of reading a defense to make decisions. Carter Stanley misread the DE/LB key on zone reads far too frequently under Koenning, and misreads the LB/S key on RPO plays too frequently under Dearmon.

Put Peyton Bender in either offense this year and KU would have 6 wins this year because he made good reads with the football. There is a reason why Carter Stanley couldn't beat other QB's out during his time and even when he was given the opportunities at the end if season's, could never earn the starting job full time. Stanley winning the QB job this year was much more of an indictment on how bad MacVittie is than Stanley actually earning the job.

@FarmerJayhawk How has Nick Saban's defense fared against spread offenses with good, mobile QB's like what they've seen against LSU, Clemson, Auburn, or Georgia? They get torched because a 3-4 is a bad fit against that style of offense. If more SEC teams ran that system, Bama's defense wouldn't look as elite as they typically do.

A 3-4 defense has never been a good fit against spread offenses with a mobile QB. It opens up too many running lanes.

kjayhawks said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Koenning was terrible, we would’ve beat WV and Coastal with Dearman. Struggling against good power 5 defenses is night and day different than the coastal game. Anyone that couldn’t see the stupidity of Koenning knows very little of the game of football.

Show me any offense that looks good with a shitty QB running the show. Koenning's offense was based off of the QB's ability to run a zone read. Carter Stanley can't read a defense to save his life. KU maybe beats Coastal with Dearmon, but Stanley played like shit against WVU regardless of who would've been OC that game.

Get over your hatred of Koenning and look at how horribly inconsistent Stanley is and realize that has been the biggest issue all year, not the play calling. KU has looked good 3 times this year on offense, those are Stanley's 3 good games, and guess what, one those good games came with Koenning calling the plays.

You keep complaining about how predictable KU's offense was under Koenning, it hasn't changed much since Dearmon took over, only difference is the formations.

KU has 130 yards of offense so far today and under 250 against KSU with Dearmon's supposed superior play calling abilities.

Newsflash, KU's offensive issues aren't OC or play calling related, they're QB related because KU's QB was a 2 star recruit that develop into a 2 star player that never should've been offered by a P5 program.

@FarmerJayhawk The issue with the DLine is schematic. A 3-4 defense doesn't work against college offenses because the NT isn't strong enough to handle the role of a nose. It takes years to get big enough.

With the OLine and LB groups, they've been hit by injuries pretty badly this year and having to play some guys who shouldn't be playing yet. Dineen isn't his brother and should still be a backup, but Prox's injury has forced him into a bigger role than he's ready for yet. Gavin Potter is going to be a great B12 LB, he just needs game reps.

The OLine seemingly has injuries every week so I'm guessing those guys are playing at 75% healthy at best right now. Malik Clark seems to get hurt every game at this point.

Long term, those positions will be fine and the OLine would look a lot better with a better QB behind them.

Carter Stanley isn't a good QB. Teams load up against Pooka and force Stanley to beat them and he's usually not good enough to do so. Stanley has had probably 3 good games this year (BC, Texas, and Tech). The rest have been a mixture of average to bad games.

QB is missing element this season. The reason Pooka had his breakout season last year was because Bender was a good enough QB that defenses had to respect his ability.

This is why I didn't have a big issue with Koenning. His system works just fine as does Dearmon's, but each system needs a good QB to operate the system to its potential. Carter Stanley is not that QB on a consistent enough basis.

I'm glad KU held on tonight, that was a little too close to comfort for me, lol!

@drgnslayr The problem with the offense is pretty much what I thought would happen in the off-season. Neither McCormack nor Silvio developed the range to run the high-low which was something that had to happen in order for the high-low offense to work as effectively as possible this season. Self has tried to run the high-low this year, but defenses rightfully so don't respect McCormack or Silvio from the top of the key and they sag down to double team Doke.

The other issue the lack of range from the 4 spot does is that it clogs the lane and takes away dribble penetration from Dotson and Garrett making them less effective.

Because Isaiah Moss is the same type of streaky shooter that Vick is, he's not going to change the offense too much from last season.

KU needs Tristan to develop quickly because he's the guy that can open up the floor at the 4 spot.

I got ridiculed quite a bit for saying the offense was going to regress from last season and now that they have, I wish I was wrong, but the warning signs were there.

People were critical of me saying this team isn't nearly as experienced in reality as they are on paper.

This team is showing a lot of signs of being very inexperienced and still needing to develop on court chemistry which has been difficult due to injuries.

People said I was crazy for calling Silvio an overall downgrade from Lawson. Silvio playing about 15 minutes in 2 games should be a testament to that. Moss is a solid player, but he's not a game changer either.

Udoka is the most important player on this team. KU will go as Doke goes.

Bennett is a great coach, but his style has a huge flaw that other systems don't have. His style creates low possession games which creates less margin for error for his teams. This is what led to the UMBC upset. If UVA has an offnight shooting or the other team makes shots which tends to happen in the NCAA tournament, his teams have a history of going home early.

@Crimsonorblue22 I don't think they're low IQ, in the case of Silvio and Dave, they're still very inexperienced. Silvio still has under 200 minutes of game experience in a KU uniform. I think he's at 182 total minutes. That's 4.5 games worth of experience. KU will have multiple players surpass 200 minutes this season by the end of Maui.

Silvio has good awareness and IQ, he just doesn't have any experience yet.

Dave was solid last night. He's not going to be a big scorer, but other than finishing at the time, he was the best big man last night. He was an absolute beast on the glass. That's going to be his primary role this year is the clean up guy.

I've been saying all along this team could possibly regress from last year offensively. Our bigs are low skilled players. Doke is pure power and useless outside of 5'. Silvio is still very raw and inexperienced on offense. Dave probably has the most skill offensively and is the one big that has the ability to stretch the floor, but he's also the least athletic of the bigs.

As unathletic as Dedric Lawson was, he was probably the most skilled big man KU has had in a very long time. I would've loved to have had Dedric on this roster.

Our guards are essentially the same as last year. On the offensive end, Moss and Vick are very similar players in regards to what skills they bring to the table.

This is still going to be a team that has stretches where they struggle offensively for extended stretches.

Defensively is where the upgrades are this season. This team is going be very tough to score against in the paint with the two big line up. Moss is also a huge upgrade over Vick on the defensive end of the floor. It's going to be a very rare occurrance for teams to reach 70 points against KU this season. I'm also expecting KU to hold several teams under 50 this season with their defense.

Defense will be KU's saving grace this season and give KU a better shot at a deep run than last season.

Neither team looked very good last night. I will say that KU would've won fairly easily without that level of turnovers. Offensively, KU looked pretty much like I thought they would with two bigs out there. Defensively, I thought KU looked good. If you tell me before the game, KU would hold Duke under 70, I'll take that every time.

None of the teams last night looked very good so I wish ESPN would go back to having this event the second week of the season so everyone could get a game or two in to improve the quality of the games. Last night was two ugly games that definitely looked like the first game of the season for all 4 teams.

@dylans Baylor may not care about KU as much as KSU does, but they sure as hell won't be looking past KU this year either. Baylor will most likely be entering that game either 11-0 or 10-1. If they enter that game 11-0, they've got a potential playoff spot to play for and will need style points because of their weak nonconference schedule.

If they enter the KU game 10-1 or even 9-2, they will be fighting for a spot in the B12 title game against OU most likely.

So you're right, Baylor doesn't hate KU as much as KSU does, but they sure as hell aren't going to be looking past KU either this year because of what they'll have on the line for themselves.

dylans said:

On the bright side KSU is likely the only team to take the Kansas game seriously. Hopefully this is the last beat down of the year.

Baylor could very well be playing for a spot in the B12 title game when they go to Lawrence to end the regular season. I think they'll very likely be taking KU seriously with that on the line.

@stoptheflop I'm sort of in favor of that. With the redshirt rule the way it is now, I think it's more important to preserve the eligibility of as many players as possible including Locklin. I know he's taken snaps in at least two games, so if Miles played him in more than 4 games, Locklin would lose his redshirt for this year.

Just imagine if this version of the redshirt rule had been in effect in 2006 when Reesing had to burn his against Colorado. I'm not in favor of playing the freshmen who can still keep a redshirt this year to the point they lose their redshirt.

I'd much rather have these current freshmen as 5th year seniors in 2023 than playing now.

I hate 3-4 defenses against the spread. It's way too easy to create running lanes. Also don't know why KU hasn't spied Thompson much, if at all today.

Losing Herbert has really hurt the running game for KU. He opened up the holes for Pooka and wore down defenses with his running style. Pooka has never been and never will be an every down back.

Carter Stanley is too inconsistent and always has been to be a good QB at the P5 level. The past two games, a lot of his yards came on big plays, either Stanley hitting a deep route or a receiver breaking a play open.

nuleafjhawk said:

On a positive note, we have the ridiculous bird helmet and the ugliest uniforms in the history of the universe going for us.

I'd love to see KU update the logo to a modernized version of the Warbird logo so we actually have an intimidating looking logo.

@stoptheflop I don't know if MacVittie redshirted at Pitt or not, and Kendrick took a redshirt last season so he can't.

I don't expect either one to ever have an on field impact for KU. Kendrick probably transfers this season and MacVittie might have to wait until he's grad transfer eligible to go elsewhere if he did redshirt at Pitt already.

I would expect the QB battle next season to be between Locklin and ex-UNC QB that KU's recruiting from a local JuCo right now that would have 3 years of eligibility and be a January enrollment.

@stoptheflop Torry Locklin has a taken a handful of snaps this season. He appears to be the #2 QB at this point.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Oof. Schneider is toast

Should've been 2 season's ago.

With regard to the NCAA rule change, nothing is set in stone about what this will look like yet. I'll reserve final judgement for when we actually see what limits and regulations the NCAA places on this law.

Video games seems like a given for what will be permissable because there's just too much money involved there. I know the O'Bannon lawsuit ended up giving athletes about $600 per game they appears in and I would expect that figure to be roughly the same, maybe a little bit more since it will be almost a decade since the NCAA '14 came out in 2013 when the next licensed college football game comes out, probably 2021 or 2022. Other things that should likely be permissable would be music, writings, and stuff along those lines.

I don't think we'll end up seeing players appear in national ad campaigns or allowed to sign shoe endorsement deals while in school.

The area I'll be really interested in seeing how the NCAA rules on will be social media and players creating YouTube and other streaming channels like Twitch or other gaming platforms.

Just about every political and economic system is a good idea in theory. The issues with any system is when you don't have complete buy-in from those subject to that particular system.

Socialism and communism are systems that do work when groups have total buy-in. A lot of Native American tribes were communistic in nature. Everyone in a tribe had a role and responsibilities that were needed to be fulfilled in order for the tribe to survive. Amish and Mennonite societies also have a lot of socialist and communist traits as well.

Those systems succeed in those cultures because there was buy-in. When not everyone in a culture buys into a specific system and that system stays in place for a long period of time, major problems develop. This is true for areas controlled by both the left and the right.

This is beauty of the American system. It's a hybrid of different systems. The swinging back and forth between the left and the right on a national level is what keeps America from swinging too far to the left or the right.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@stoptheflop Bottom line is KU shouldn't have needed to kick a game winning FG last night. KU should have already been winning at that point.

KU has had 4 blocked FG's the past 2 games (I'm including the two PAT's in this). I don't care if that blocked PAT last night was a penalty or not, 4 blocked kicks in two games should be unacceptable and shows a major schematic flaw with the FG unit.

And I will say KU was very damn lucky last night to win. Blocked kicks are huge momentum plays and had KU not been lucky that the Tech player made an extremely dumb play, Tech goes into OT with all of the momentum and probably wins at that point.

Oh well! We had more points at 0:00. There are some issues but this team is frankly well ahead of where I thought they’d be.

KU is in the exact same position as last season. 3-5 overall and 1-4 in league play with self inflicted mistakes costing themselves multiple games each season. KU has winnable games the rest of the way this year, but they had winnable games last year as well and lost because of self inflicted errors.

That "Oh well!" is exactly why KU lost last Saturday. It's an issue that's cost KU at least one win this year.

If KU wants to win another game the rest of the way, they are going to have to fix the issues in the kicking game because they've left 10 points on the field the past two games. These are the kind of mistakes that have a huge impact on the field. KU absolutely has the schedule to try and get to 6 wins, but KU has to clean up their FG unit to maximize those chances.

The one time my mom doesn't cheer for KU since she went to Pitt St.

@stoptheflop Bottom line is KU shouldn't have needed to kick a game winning FG last night. KU should have already been winning at that point.

KU has had 4 blocked FG's the past 2 games (I'm including the two PAT's in this). I don't care if that blocked PAT last night was a penalty or not, 4 blocked kicks in two games should be unacceptable and shows a major schematic flaw with the FG unit.

And I will say KU was very damn lucky last night to win. Blocked kicks are huge momentum plays and had KU not been lucky that the Tech player made an extremely dumb play, Tech goes into OT with all of the momentum and probably wins at that point.

Last night is why KU needs a big with range. If Silvio and McCormack can't develop a top of the key jump shot, then then they become a player that can be left alone at the top of the key for the high-low and double team Doke or whoever the low man is.

This was an issue I talked about a lot during the off-season as a potential issue with the offense. The high-low only works if the high post player can knock down that top of the key shot. That's why we saw a little bit of it last year with Dedric and Doke because Dedric was enough of an outside threat that teams had to have someone on him.

In regards to Garrett's shot, let's see if he can do that more than one game because he's had games before where he shot well and it was an anomaly. Let's wait and see with him if this was an anomaly or if he's really a better shooter now.

BeddieKU23 said:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Sure it is, it still points out that his impact on the floor was impacted significantly by being a terrible shooter. I fail to see where the PER hasn't accurately accounted for his abilities to date. He has shown flashes in both seasons here but not a ton of consistency either. This is a big year to turn things around for him

Marcus Garrett's biggest value comes on the defensive side of the floor. PER doesn't effectively measure that value that Garrett adds on defense. We all know he's not a great offensive player, but PER doesn't reflect very well how many points Garrett's defense keeps other players from scoring.

@Kcmatt7 I've wanted this series to come back because there is nothing that compares to beating Missouri in anything. I'm just surprised that Bill Self signed off on it because of his past comments on playing meaningful games against Missouri. I always assumed we'd have to wait until Self left Kansas for there to ever be serious discussions about restarting this rivalry.

KU basketball has announced a 6 year series with Missouri to renew the Border War for men's basketball.

The 6 game series begins on Dec. 12, 2020 with a game at the Sprint Center. There will 2 games each in Kansas City, Lawrence, and Columbia.

2020-21 (Kansas City)
2021-22 (Lawrence)
2022-23 (Columbia)
2023-24 (Lawrence)
2024-25 (Columbia)
2025-26 (Kansas City)

BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Dug into Sports-reference for a minute. They have PER back until 2010.

Sure Enough the two lowest players in the Self Era to play 300+ minutes is Quentin & Charlie. Quentin's PER is 3+ points lower (8.7) then the next closet player Marcus Garrett 11.7 (17-19), Elijah Johnson 11.8 (12-13), Selden 11.9 (14-15), Selby 11.9 (14-15). Charlie's PER was 5.7, he should have never played.

Hopefully Garrett improves from his 11.7 & 12.8 over his first two years. If he's in the 14-15 range we have 7 guys that will make this team look good most nights. Moss was 14.0 last season, 15.7 as a Soph. Agbaji was 13, flashes and injury and he will be better. Udoka was a crazy 31.5 in limited games but was 28.9 in his only full season so we know what he's capable of. Silvio was 22 in his half season, solid. McCormack & Dotson were solid as freshman 19.5 & 17.

PER isn't a great stat to use on Garrett. The reason being that PER is weighted very heavily towards the offensive end of the floor and gives minimal weight to defensive ability which is where most of Garrett's value comes from.

justanotherfan said:

KU at #3 seems a little heavy to me. A healthy Doke means top 10, but I don't see anything to suggest that this team is significantly better than last season in other areas. Unless you think De Sousa is going to be a 15 and 10 guy, #3 is about 5 spots too high.

Last season was preseason #1 and undefeated until Doke's injury. Garrett is upgrade over Grimes in every area except shooting, Moss is a major upgrade defensively over Vick, and DeSousa is a big defensive upgrade over Dedric.

Offensively this team is pretty comparable to last year, maybe a small step backwards. The big difference this year is going to be on defense where this team should be a very good to elite defensive team.

The scholarship numbers kept changing because Beaty was giving scholarships to walk-ons to boost the number of scholarship players on the roster. As far as players actually recruited to Kansas on scholarship, that number was in the upper 30's for the spring and around 50 for the season.

Beaty was not full of shit on that front. That was a narrative driven by Tom Keegan because Keegan never liked the Beaty hire and used all of his power to undermine Beaty every opportunity he could which drove public opinion of Beaty.

David Beaty will never get the credit he deserves for the work he did rebuilding the roster to the point it's at now because of Keegan's hit pieces that frequently took personal shots at Beaty that weren't football related. That 2015 Kansas team was one of the worst P5 teams ever because of what Charlie Weis left for Beaty. David Beaty had KU about 5 plays away from being a bowl in his final season. He left Les Miles a far better situation than what Charlie Weis left him.

That 2015 Kansas team had less than 20 seniors on that team. KU has 25 seniors on this season's roster. You keep complaining about him going JuCo heavy in a couple of classes, but are failing to realize that those JuCo heavy classes were strategically heavier than other classes in order to bring the class sizes into balance. He didn't get it perfectly, but he got that issue fixed well enough that Les Miles isn't going to be screwed over by the scholarship situation the way Beaty was. Miles will have the numbers back to normal in 4-5 years and class sizes will be close enough that it's not a big issue anymore.

David Beaty did far more for this program in regards to getting this program pointed in the right direction than he will ever get credit for because of Tom Keegan's blind hatred of Beaty.

When was the last time a P5 football program paid their head coach under $1 million/year the way KU did? Even after his salary was doubled, Beaty was still the lowest paid coach in the B12. David was not brought in to be the savior of Kansas football, he was brought in to fix the scholarship mess Charlie Weis left behind and lay a solid foundation for the coach after him when KU could afford a bigger named coach. Had Beaty had more on field success, that would've been a bonus. He was always viewed as a transition coach that was going to catch a lot of gear for a scholarship situation he did not create.

@kjayhawks David Beaty didn't even have enough players his first year to have a two deep or a spring game. Les Miles didn't have those issues this spring. KU had the depth of a D2 program in Beaty's first year with about 50 scholarship players that year. KU has somewhere in the low 70's this year. David Beaty was never going to fix the depth issues completely in 4 years, even with full high school classes.

Getting JuCo players in those years with small senior classes is what helped bring the class sizes mostly back into balance. David Beaty did make it a good enough situation that Les Miles will be able to bring the depth numbers up to normal levels by the end of his first recruiting cycle.

I still don't think you comprehend just how badly Charlie Weis screwed KU football and just how bad of a position Weis put whoever his successor was going to be in. KU could've hired Nick Saban and it was still going to take 8-10 years to fix the depth issues with the scholarship mess Charlie Weis left behind.

I can watch ESPN+ on my TV.

@kjayhawks Reread what I said about the situation and have said the past 5 years since Beaty was hired. I've said for 5 years that it was going to take two full recruiting cycles to fix the depth issues Weis made. Weis not only destroyed the depth of the program, he also made the classes ridiculously imbalanced. He created a situation where KU had a year with less than 15 seniors followed by a class of over 25 seniors followed by a class of under 15 seniors, followed by another class of over 25 seniors.

KU was never to build depth in the first 4-5 years post Weis regardless of the next coach being Beaty or Bowen. Their first recruiting cycle was always going to be about restoring balance to the class numbers. That's what Beaty did. KU now has senior classes that will be fairly even and Miles will be able to finish fixing the mess Weis created.

BShark said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@kjayhawks KU should've been 10-2 in 2006.

A lot of close ones that year. I remember 2 OT losses including one against the Corn.

Lost to Toledo in 2OT and Nebraska in OT. Also lost by 3 to Texas A&M and 1 to Baylor that year.

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Part of the reason it’s tough to finish is we have no bodies. Texas ran 85+ plays and we were done in the 4th. A decent second string buys us enough time to get a stop late and helps block up special teams. Tough when you’re playing with 20% fewer guys than UT.

Absolutely correct. Once the roster gets built up more they can rotate guys better.

Thanks Charlie Weis for gutting the roster to the point it's needed 2 full recruiting cycles to fix. Beaty did a solid job of fixing the class imbalance Weis created with his gutting and recruiting tactics, but obviously didn't have the ability to hang around long enough to build the depth back all the way up.

@kjayhawks KU should've been 10-2 in 2006.

This is turning into another TCU type situation where KU is playing Texas close on a pretty regular basis. Upset in 2016, 2 score game in 2017 that was competitive the entire game, only lost by 7 last year.

Damn, special teams has killed KU all year.

@nwhawkfan The defense has been good for the most part this year. Texas is a very good team even with their injuries.

Special teams was the biggest culprit tonight. The FG unit was a 9 point swing tonight in favor of Texas.