@KirkIsMyHinrich Cam Reddish is a lottery pick that makes big plays in big moments. That's why you worry about him.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich Everyone for Duke had a bad offensive game that night. The 69 points they scored was one of only 2 times they haven't scored 70 points all year. Tech's offense is why they lost that game.
If Duke beats MSU tomorrow and Reddish is less than 100% for a second game against Tech, Tech can focus much more on Zion.
UVA and Purdue has been a great game tonight as well. Carsen Edward's is a stud.
@jayhawkcsg Your post sounded like you're surprised people aren't bashing him for his poor play this year on his way out.
@jayhawkcsg What reason is there to bad mouth Moore?
He came here, wasn't a great fit and is now moving on again. Moore didn't do anything in his two years in Lawrence to embarrass KU or himself so there's no reason to rag on him not being the player Self hoped he would be. Time to move on and wish Charlie the best wherever he ends up.
@KirkIsMyHinrich Depends on Can Reddish. If he's less than 100%, Tech would have a great chance to beat Duke.
Tech took a full strength Duke team to the limit earlier this season. And yes, I'm assuming Tech plays Duke since Coach K is 11-1 against Izzo all time.
I'm happy for Tech. Chris Beard is a great coach and has very quickly built something special in Lubbock.
@wissox I genuinely like Zion and the way he has handled himself this season. He's not worried about protecting the goods, he wants to win and I respect him for that. He easily could've done what Bol did and sat himself out for the rest of the year when he hurt his knee like a lot of people were encouraging him to do, but he wants to win and I respect him for that.
I haven't seen anything that Zion personally has said or done that's made me dislike him, it's everything else around him like the constant ESPN coverage that gets old real quick and why I really only ever watch ESPN anymore to watch the games I want to watch. I don't really watch their talk shows or Sportscenter much anymore because I can get scores and highlights on my phone whenever I want.
Zion's situation is very similar to Lonzo Ball. Lonzo seems like a good person and has kept himself out of trouble and controversy, but it's his surroundings that have made a lot of people dislike him.
HighEliteMajor said:
1997 and 2002 were the real "lost" titles in my opinion for Roy. The two best teams in he had, I think.
Do you mean the team that lost to Maryland or Syracuse? I thought Maryland was the best team the majority of that season and earned that title. KU definitely gave away the 2003 game with their FT shooting that night.
@stoptheflop Bringing in Rick Ross isn't even about the fan experience. That's a part for sure, but that is a recruiting tactic to make recruits want to check out KU.
@FarmerJayhawk You're right, college athletes are unpaid, but that slavery comparison is way out of line and way off base.
College athletes may not be paid financially for what they provide a school, but they certainly are not uncompensated for their services. These players, all sports and genders, are provided with thousands of dollars of free apparel from whoever sponsors the school, Adidas in the case of KU athletes. The retail price of an athletes regular wardrobe is easily $200+ dollars in the summer time and $350+ in the winter time.
A full scholarship athlete who stays all 4 years is being compensated with at least $125,000 in free tuition, room and board, and dining during those 4 years along with networking opportunities the vast majority of regular students don't have access to.
Todd Reesing does not get the job he has working for David Booth's company without being Todd Reesing.
I would have loved to have been able to afford anything Adidas released while I was a student at KU instead of shopping the clearance sections of the bookstore for KU apparel. I would have loved to have been able to network with David Booth and other high end boosters and alums while at KU, but I had to go the job fairs and compete with all the other regular students for intern and job opportunities after graduation.
A lot of these athletes on full ride scholarships are kids that wouldn't have been able to go to college on their own otherwise because of financial issues beyond their own control.
Do I think there should be some changes made to the current system? Absolutely, but you cannot realistically tell me these athletes aren't compensated for their services to their school.
@Woodrow International leagues cap how many Americans are allowed per team and the average salary of an American player is typically between $75,000-100,000 per year. Only the elite of the elite Euro players make a million or more per year.
Doke would probably start around $100,000 in Europe.
HighEliteMajor said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 No, it did. I was referring to KU being undefeated at this point. You didn’t taketime to read what I wrote. I said it is “entirely possible that RIGHT NOW, KU is undefeated ...” We’re at the sweet 16.
I misinterpreted what you said.
@HighEliteMajor It didn't happen a few years ago though. Kentucky even in the most ideal of circumstances couldn't pull off a perfect season with a much better roster than what KU would've had this year fully loaded with SDS and a weaker SEC than the Big 12 was this year. Only 5 of 14 SEC teams made the NCAA tournament that year and only Kentucky was a top 4 seed and only Arkansas was even a top 8 seed among the other 4 teams.
5 of the 6 teams Kentucky played twice in league play that year were bottom half of the SEC teams. This was the Kentucky team that held Kansas to 40 points in a game.
That was the most ideal of circumstances for a team to go undefeated and if that Kentucky team couldn't do it, there's nothing that can convince me any team can go undefeated in D1 men's college basketball for an entire season and finish 40-0.
@Crimsonorblue22 If KJ is a grad transfer, he wouldn't have to sit out and could play immediately. If he did have to sit out another year, he would lose that season of eligibility and he would only have one season to play wherever he transferred to in D1.
KJ's transfer status largely depends on if he is graduating in May or not.
@HighEliteMajor There hasn't been an undefeated team in over 40 years. Kentucky in 2015 is the closest we'll see to a team going undefeated in this era of college basketball and even that team couldn't do it. Too many things have to go right over 40 games for it to happen in this era.
@Bosthawk KJ probably doesn't start next year and if he transfers to a mid major program, he can start for 2 years and give himself a better shot at a pro future than coming off the bench for the next 2 seasons at KU.
Q absolutely should stay, but Josh Selby should have as well. 19 year olds don't always make rational decisions. He may be so hellbent on being OAD that he'll do it even of it would benefit him much more to stay another year and build off of his last few games where he looked much better and consistent.
Doke needs to go because the kid has been injured in all 3 seasons so far. When durability is an issue, he needs to make money while he can because another injury next season may derail any pro future Doke has whether it's stateside or overseas.
Dedric is in a weird place because his draft stock likely doesn't change whether he stays or goes. He's likely a borderline 2nd round/undrafted type player. That'll still be his draft position next season as well.
@approxinfinity Having a healthy Doke all season allows Lawson to play his natural spot and KU to dominate in the paint as teams scheme to stop either Doke or Lawson, but not both.
I'll agree no chance this team would've gone undefeated, but I could easily see KU only dropping 4 or 5 games and running away with the conference. I don't know if they beat Arizona State regardless because that's a game KU has historically struggled in. I also don't know if KU beats Kentucky at Rupp this year either. KU probably has a couple of clunkers in B12 play and likely win 15 or 16 B12 games.
A healthy KU is a 1 or 2 seed in the NCAA Tournament this season and one of the title favorites because of their neutral court wins over MSU, Marquette, and Tennessee.
@BeddieKU23 I really think this year was a matter of KU being an extremely inexperienced team, especially once Doke and Vick were out of the picture. At that point, KU was down to 9 scholarship players and 7 of them were in their first year playing for KU.
We saw the lack of chemistry 4 and 5 years ago when KU also lost 10 and 9 games those seasons. It just takes time to develop that chemistry. Sometimes it clicks right away, sometimes it doesn't.
@BeddieKU23 Moore will be back for one more year. He should graduate after next season so I'd bet Moore is back next year and then grad transfers next offseason.
The thing I've learned is that the specific club head is almost irrelevant to how well someone plays, as long as it feels comfortable to the user, it's the right club head.
Getting the right flexion the shaft and the right length took almost 5 strikes off my game almost overnight a few years back. Regular flex with usually a +1" in shaft length since I'm 6'5". Lie angle is the big thing I need to get fitted for when I get my new irons.
Shafts definitely make a huge difference in play as far as distance goes.
dylans said:
KU was the only higher ranked seed to lose in the round of 32. Ouch
KU wasn't higher ranked though. KU was higher seeded, but not higher ranked. Auburn was 14th and KU 17th in the final poll of the year. Auburn was also the Vegas favorites in that game.
14 of the 16 teams left are from the Power 5 and 1 of the non P5 teams is Gonzaga so basically15 of 16 from major conferences or traditional powers. 5 ACC, 4 SEC 3 B10, 1 B12, 1 P12, 1 AAC, and 1 WCC.
Also amazing is that Oregon is the only team in the Sweet 16 that could be considered a surprise team. All 12 top 3 seeds made and 2 of the 4 seeds made it. The 5 seed that made it was favored in its game against the 4 so not even an upset. The 12 seed is the only real surprise and that 12 seed was in the Final Four 2 years ago.
I know people love a good Cinderella story like Loyola Chicago last year, but this is how you see the highest quality basketball. Whoever wins this tournament will have earned it this year going through the best teams throughout the season to do so.
jayballer73 said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
BShark said:
kjayhawks said:
Duke got away with at least 3 fouls in the final minute
Anyone but Zion and that is a charge.
That last one was not a charge, UCF guy flopped on that one. I'll agree on some of the other ones, but that last one was a good non call.
bullshit - -you got to call SOMETHING - you can't swallow your whistle on that. - -It's either a charge OR a block. - -you can't chew on the plastic on your whistle on a play like that - - -- one way or another - that just made him look REAL stupid
Sorry, but that last one was a non call situation. The UCF player flopped trying to draw another charge on Zion since Zion got called for a charge the possession before that. The UCF player flopped on that one and didn't get the call and put Tacko in a bad spot and that led to Fall fouling out on that play.
There were definitely issues in that game with officiating, but I didn't see anything to take major issue with in the final minute of the game.
The other play people are crying about is the RJ Barrett offensive rebound off of Zion's missed FT, that was one of the weakest box outs I've ever seen. The UCF player never got into a good box out position and was almost standing vertically which made it very easy to move him. I could've gotten that offensive rebound on that box out because of how weak it was.
The refs kept Duke in the game, UCF buckled under pressure when they should have won that game. An easy lay up missed, a flop, not boxing out, two missed shot at the basket all played a bigger role in determining that game than the refs did.
@Woodrow In the replies, a guy screenshot Goodman picking Prohm to replace Johnson an hour before he posted he didn't think Prohm would take the Bama job. Either Goodman got new info inside that hour or he's talking out of both sides of his mouth on Prohm.
@HighEliteMajor Right now I have a 1st generation M2 for my driver, and Taylormade Speedblade's for my irons which is why I'm upgrading this year. I'm getting ready to trade those in for a set of Callaway Rogue irons most likely. I'm leaning towards the Epic Flash or Titleist TS3 driver. I kept getting a targeted ad on my Facebook for a site called Dollar Driver Club that lets you basically rent a driver for $30/month with a 3 month minimum commitment. I'm usually skeptical of sites like that, but they appear to be legit so I'm going to give them a shot this summer and see. If it works out, that's going to a great way to basically get a new driver every year for about a third of the price since I really only get to play regularly during the summer when I'm off.
I love the feel of forged irons, I just don't get to play frequently enough to take advantage of them, maybe when I retire and can play everyday.
@HighEliteMajor What clubs do you have in your golf bag? I'm getting ready to upgrade my irons in the next couple of months before summer and curious what others have in their bag.
If any other golfers are on here and have an opinion on their clubs, feel feel to pitch in.
stoptheflop said:
Boy oh boy, I sure didn't see much coverage of our spring practices. Maybe the practices are just spaced further apart, so there's a week between practices? idk.
There was a week between the 2nd and 3rd practices because of KU's spring break.
@dylans It's not an aberration anymore though and I'll back it up. I will list how many teams averaged 20 or more 3FGA's per game since Self arrived at Kansas.
2003-04: 81
2004-05: 91
2005-06: 98
2006-07: 115
2007-08: 126
2008-09: 94
2009-10: 83
2010-11: 86
2011-12: 91
2012-13: 88
2013-14: 93
2014-15: 93
2015-16: 191
2016-17: 217
2017-18: 247
2018-19: 270
I'm sure you'll notice a significant change in numbers for the 2008-09 season and the 2015-16 seasons. In 2008-09, then NCAA moved the 3 point line back to its current distance of 20'9" from 19'9".
In 2015-16, the NCAA shortened the shot clock to 30 seconds and expanded the restricted circle in the paint from 3' to 4'.
The extending of the 3 point line led to a reduction in attempts because teams needed to adjust to the new distance. Shortening the shot clock and expanding the restricted circle made it more practical for teams to run perimeter based offense.
The only way we'll see a reduction in 3 point attempts per game is if the NCAA pushes the 3 point line back to FIBA distances.
The increase in teams being dependent from 3 is not an anomaly, it's the new norm in college basketball and Self has not done a good job of adjusting to that new norm.
BShark said:
kjayhawks said:
Duke got away with at least 3 fouls in the final minute
Anyone but Zion and that is a charge.
That last one was not a charge, UCF guy flopped on that one. I'll agree on some of the other ones, but that last one was a good non call.
Weak box out!
Dammit!
Finish the job Knights!
kjayhawks said:
Tennessee escapes Iowa. The SEC has looked good, which is shocking. Tennessee, UK, Auburn and LSU to the sweet 16.
First time since 2009 I believe that Rick Barnes made it past the weekend. That was damn near the most epic choke job ever.
dylans said:
Self protects the paint, because teams that pack the paint against KU win. The 2018-19 KU team could have all the open threes in the world; they’d still miss.
Another old quote of Bill’s when asked what he looks for in a recruit - shooters. First and foresmost he looks for shooters. Hard to explain Garrett, but Bill prefers shooters out of HS and to teach the rest. Maybe that’s why Bill likes Garrett, all Self has to teach Marcus is how to shoot and he can lead by example on how to do the rest.
I'm saying Self needs to change his focus on offense, I'm saying he needs to change his philosophy on defense because his philosophy of denying the paint plays into what most teams already want to do which is shoot from deep. A lot of screens and picks teams run now are to get open looks from 3, not to get into the paint. When teams do get into the paint, they're usually hoping the defense will collapse and leave someone open from 3.
A lot of this philosophical change can be attributed to the defensive rules changes a few years ago limiting the physicality of defenses and Steph Curry.
Steph Curry entered the NBA with one elite skill and that was shooting. Players see his size and realize they could do the same thing because nobody else is LeBron because of LeBron's size. LeBron is a one of a kind player. Steph Curry is a 6 foot guard who can make a shot from anywhere on his side of the court. That's replicable and kids growing up are mimicking Curry because they can.
A 35% 3 point shooter is 10% more efficient than a 50% shooter from two. That's what has historically beaten Self is teams shooting from 3 well. I'd love to see Self deny the 3 first on defense because I think that would make KU a much better team. Garrett, Agbaji, and Grimes all have the length to be top level perimeter defenders and Self needs to focus on that this off season.
KU had a bad season by KU standards.
Look at what KU accomplished with 7 first year players in the program.
26 wins, 12 conference wins, 3rd place finish, runner up in the conference tournament, and a top 4 seed in the NCAA Tournament.
99% of D1 programs would call that a great season. At KU, we call that a bad season. The last time KU did not receive a top 4 seed in the NCAA Tournament was the 2000 tournament.
Think about that, KU has been a top 4 seed for 19 straight NCAA Tournaments. There's only 6 other NCAA programs that have ever made that many NCAA Tournaments in a row (UNC, Duke, Arizona, Michigan State, Gonzaga, and Wisconsin) and none of them were a top 4 seed every season.
KU's down season is still better than any other blue bloods down season. UNC and Kentucky have each missed an NCAA Tournament this decade.
KU's valley's are most programs peaks.
@Woodrow Other than Dedric and maybe Grimes (although Grimes started playing much better consistently late in the season), Auburn didn't have better athletes across the board. What they had was an experience advantage. That core has been together for 3 years now. They largely mirror the Mason/Graham core of KU as far as their development goes. Say what you will about how Pearl acquires his players, but the man knows how to coach and develop players.
Last night was an experienced team of very good athletes with refined skill sets taking on a team of elite athletes who lack the experience and haven't refined their skills to match their athleticism yet. If the core of this team stays together for 3+ years, this is a F4/national title caliber team because they are elite athletes.
Dotson is the fastest player I've ever seen at KU, Garrett is one of the quickest guys I've seen, Agbaji is on of the most athletically gifted players Self has ever had, McCormack has T-Rob levels of potential, and Grimes may not be elite at anything, but he has the tools to be a very good all around player like Brandon Rush was.
This core was not outmatched athletically last night based on what I saw. They were out experienced which has been their issue most of the season which wasn't too surprising given their were 7 rotation players in their first year of playing at KU.
@BeddieKU23 Auburn's players aren't better athletes, they're more experienced. Last night was a classic example of experience vs. talent and experience won. Auburn played 8 players 10+ minutes last night. 2 seniors, 5 juniors, and only 1 sophomore.
KU played 7 guys 10+ minutes last night. 6 of them were in their first season at KU. This is the same thing that happened the last time KU fielded a team this inexperienced. KU lost 10 and 9 games and lost in the second round to Stanford and Wichita State in ugly ways. The core of those teams stayed together and did alright by the time they graduated with a Final Four and 2 more Elite 8's.
If this core stays together, they'll be fine by the time they graduate and have some accomplishments worthwhile.
Fightsongwriter said:
Obviously other coaches are finding lower tier guys who are good players that eat nails. We get 2nd or 3rd tier elite players with warts. There are a TON of lower tier guys who would die to play at Kansas. Why cant we get a few of these guys? Maybe Bill needs to shake it up and get some new recruiters / coaches. I would give our current assistants a grade of B to B-
The guys with flaws are not improving. And our top players are not as good as the Duke or NC players since 08, except for Joel and he was an accident. Getting spanked in the tournament repeatedly has to mean that there is a crucial flaw somewhere. Wofford lost to KY but they did not get embarrassed.
The flaw in Self's defensive philosophy is that it hasn't evolved with college basketball. When Self got started, shooting 50% of your shots as a team from 3 wasn't common. Basketball has evolved to where that's fairly common even among major conference teams, but Self still focuses on defending the rim instead of evolving to defend the 3 point line first.
Self needs to change to an outside-in defensive philosophy instead an inside-out emphasis.
approxinfinity said:
@BShark maybe Auburn aside. Those Nova teams and Oregon were good and deep.
Those players still had flaws in their games that KU couldn't take advantage of.
@truehawk93 KSU made the E8 without Wade last year.
Kentucky better be thankful McGee couldn't make a 3 today.
If Kentucky plays Houston, Houston is going to beat Kentucky assuming Washington is still out.
I only got to see about 3 minutes of the NE game and I'll be on the road for this one tonight. I hate missing games like these.
nwhawkfan said:
A bit surprised to see Oregon beat Wisconsin so badly (the 12-v-5 matchup aside). They strike me as a team a lot like KSU...they usually have trouble getting up for anybody who isn't a rival (Washington, Oregon State).
I actually had Wisconsin in the F4 this year, oops.
That region has so many teams that have a long history of flaming out early that Wisconsin doesn't have. I could also see Oregon making an E8 run.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Tech probably wishes they had a better first 8 minutes.
Sleepwalking but they will be fine.
If NKU makes some shots in the 2nd half, Tech could be in trouble. NKU is outrebounding Tech so far today.
jayhawkcsg said:
Interesting. Didn’t see the Drew firing. Looks like we will have some decent turnover in the college ranks this year.
Avery Johnson leaving as well.
Question is, will KU lose an assistant this offseason?
Only possibility would be Howard as far as leaving for a HC job. Townsend could be fired depending on the investigations, NCAA and FBI. Norm is the only one that I don't see leaving although he might be attractive for a low major program looking for someone with high major experience.
I think KT has the best chance at not being on the sidelines next year because of the FBI/NCAA investigations.
Here's one tip on picking a bracket upset. Rick Barnes has not made it past the first weekend in his last 7 NCAA tournament appearances which includes last year as a 2 seed at Tennessee and his final 6 appearances while still at Texas.
http://bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html ↗
This is a link ranking bracketologists over the past 3 years. Lunardi is not good, but he's better than Jerry Palm at CBS.
As far as mainstream media figures go, Brad Evans at Yahoo is the best, but he's not even top 30.
Lunardi isn't even the best at ESPN as that honor goes to Jeff Borzello who was ranked 34th.
@HighEliteMajor KU has to get there first though as NMSU took KU to the wire back in December. Also keep in mind Self has lost more games at Sprint Center than AFH despite playing significantly fewer games there. If KU even makes it to the S16, I think this is the year Roy finally beats KU.