Woodrow said:
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Carter threw for over 400 yards against KSU last year.
He was also sub 50% completion with only 1 TD and 1 INT. Steven Sims had much more to do with Stanley's yardage that day than Stanley himself did. That was a great game by Stanley by any stretch.
approxinfinity said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I thought he hit him with face not top of head but we can agree to disagree
That's what I initially thought in real time, but the slow mo replay showed Moore lowered his head a little bit and hit above the facemask.
approxinfinity said:
This kid doesn't call fair catch, gets drilled, and our guy gets thrown out for targeting. Get outta here ref! Thought we said don't bring that bull in here!
On replay that was the right call. Helmet to helmet and Moore led with the top of his head. That was textbook targeting.
Unfortunately a good targeting call.
Just about all of KU's issues offensively today have been the receivers dropping some easy passes and running backs going east/west instead of north/south.
Woodrow said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 you are literally the only KU fan I know that’s wants to see Bender in the game. He sucks. He can’t throw. It’s simple.
Carter Stanley is not better than Peyton Bender. There's no stats that back that claim up. Is Peyton Bender a great QB? No, he's not, but he is the best QB on the KU roster.
Stanley has the tools, but has never figured out how to use them outside of the Oklahoma State game this year in his three seasons. There is a reason why Stanley was 3rd string entering the season and has never legitimately beat anybody for the job.
Bender is nowhere close to as awful as you claim.
nwhawkfan said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 That's one thing I think Les Miles will bring to the program...respect, from the refs as well as other coaches.
It may take him a little while longer to get it from the fans, seeing as we've been burned by hiring a big name coach before.
There were very few people that liked the Weis hire even at the time. Miles has brought a new energy to the fanbase that hasn't existed in 10 years.
Woodrow said:
I also can not wait to not have too watch Bender try and play QB anymore, absolutely awful.
We know you hate Bender, just cheer for the guy today so it looks like you want KU to win. The guy has throw 2 picks all year, he's nowhere near as bad as you keep claiming. He also gets sacked at a lower rate than Stanley. The two things that you always complain about in regards to Bender are things Stanley is worse at than Bender.
That was a bullshit no call, I really wouldn't have blamed Beaty for getting 15 on that going off on the refs for that no call.
That was a dirty shot on Sims, absolutely bullshit there was no flag on that!!!
Hasan Defense is so bad at coverage and tackling. Seems like most big runs receivers have had against KU this year were because Defense missed a tackle or blew a coverage assignment.
Drops still an issue
JayHawkFanToo said:
Great win for Texas, perhaps the best it has had since Smart took over. The game against Michigan State should tell us a lot about both teams.
Roy is 1-6 against Texas since going to UNC. That includes at least 2 losses to Shaka including last night.
Looks like a sub 10,000 crowd today.
Texas is only 15.5 point favorites today. That's a sign that KU has earned some respect this year because I would've guessed the line was around 21 points.
Going out with a win in Beaty's final game would be great. It would also be great to force Texas fans to have to cheer for Oklahoma tonight. For Texas fans, that's the equivalent of KU fans having to cheer for Missouri.
Gorilla72 said:
Just noted: #6 Nevada doesn’t play a single ranked team all year. Interesting as it’s a senior laden team. I read somewhere they start all 5th year seniors.
Nevada's probably going to enter the NCAA tournament undefeated and still probably be a 2 seed out west to Gonzaga's 1 seed because the Mountain West is really weak this year.
As weak as their schedule is, they may only be able to take 1 or 2 losses and still get an at large bid. They could be in a Utah St. scenario from several years ago where USU was ranked, only had 3 losses, but still didn't get an at large bid because of their schedule. Nevada is probably going to end up with a sub 200 SoS this season.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I wasn't complaining about our defense as a whole, I was specifically complaining about our 3-point defense. Before the game. During the game. After the game.
Yes, the perimeter defense was better in the 2nd half. I agree.
This team will get better as the year goes on. This is typical of KU in November. KU will still win 30+ games, they will still win the regular season title, they will still be a 1 or 2 seed, they will still be in the KC region starting out in either Des Moines or Tulsa.
None of the issues with this team are things we haven't seen from a Bill Self team just about every year in November.
Bwag said:
Will Virginia break 50 points?
Probably, but maybe not 60.
StLJhawk said:
Good guys win yet again and are the number 1 team in the country yet again. Good to be a Jayhawk fan
Wait until after Friday night. KU does play the #5 team in the country Friday and Gonzaga doesn't play again until Monday so they may end up being #1 when the next poll comes out.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Kcmatt7 said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
StLJhawk said:
Fair enough. I Just have trouble with the “entitlement” vibe here sometimes. We can’t win em all.
Cool. I have a problem with our perimeter defense.
17 points so far in the 2nd half... I still think this team ends up being dominate defensively. My 1st half meltdown has been rescinded.
291st ranked team in 3-point defense. Got torched in the 1st half knowing that Marquette was going to shoot 3's. Played better in the 2nd half. Good. Still a lot of work to do if they want to be a dominant defensive team.
There is still plenty of work to do, but this second half is a glimpse of where this team will be at more times than not once January rolls around.
Bwag said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
StLJhawk said:
Thank heaven too, that team was crazy good.
That Villanova team is up there with 2012 Kentucky, 2009 UNC, and 2001 Duke for best team this century.
But what I recall is they completely took us out of the game on the perimeter with pressure and shot lights out from the perimeter when we gave them open looks.
The counter argument is we were in the game.
KU was never in that game last year. Nova shot lights out even when guarded in that game. That first half Nova played was an all time great half any college team has ever played. Villanova was head and shoulders better than everyone else all year last season.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
@StLJhawk No, but the 2nd ranked team in the country should beat an unranked team. Games with teams separated by 2 spots in the rankings are a coin-flip.
But rankings in November are hardly accurate though.
StLJhawk said:
Thank heaven too, that team was crazy good.
That Villanova team is up there with 2012 Kentucky, 2009 UNC, and 2001 Duke for best team this century.
Bwag said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I’ll Hope. But visions of Villanova are in my mind
Villanova last year destroyed everyone. That was one of the best college teams of the modern era. There's nobody that good this year.
Bwag said:
Bwag said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 not at all. Just not a change in defensive philosophy that I can see that addresses the growing importance of 3 point line
Maybe I’m wrong and it is just a lack of execution? Possible. Or we’ll overcome with superior talent and hall of fame coaching that wins 83% or so of games.
At this point in the season, it is usually lack of execution. That execution has almost always gotten better as the season went along.
This really is nothing new for a Bill Self team.
Bwag said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 not at all. Just not a change in defensive philosophy that I can see that addresses the growing importance of 3 point line
This literally happens every year. KU struggling on defense in November literally happens every season.
StLJhawk said:
17-0 run, dang Bill chewed some ass during half time
Bill Self actually knows what he's doing, shocking!
Bwag said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 not on the ledge. Just looking forward in time to National Championship game when we get bombed out of the gym because we NEVER learn to gaurd the line.
It's not even Thanksgiving yet and you're complaining because KU isn't a finished product yet. KU will be just fine when March rolls around and everyone knows what their role is and has played 30+ games as opposed to 4 games.
If this team isn't playing better after the Christmas break, then panic and worry will be justified. Right now, this is a typical Bill Self Kansas team doing what they typically do at this time of year.
Bwag said:
@Texas-Hawk-10
I’d just like to see us gaurd the damn 3 point line for a change. That’s all I’m really asking for.
Back away from the ledge. I guarantee we could go back to games chats from the first few games of each of the past few seasons and see the exact same complaints. These issues are nothing new for a Bill Self team in November.
Are some of ya'll seriously complaining because essentially a new team isn't playing the caliber of defense a championship team that played together for 3 years played?
Don't forget that the core of the title team played together for 3 years. That's 3 years worth of chemistry and knowing what each other player was going to do.
This team has 4 games worth of chemistry. Don't forget the core of that championship team lost to Bradley in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament and lost a lot of games when they were freshmen. Same deal with the previous 2 KU teams. They lost a lot games when they were young and had a couple of early tournament exits as well.
The issues with this team will not be fixed overnight. Wait until after the Christmas break when KU only plays 3 games between 12/8 and 12/29. That's when the improvements will happen because that's when they happen every year.
This is hardly the first year under Self when KU has looked lost at the beginning of the season. The finals and Christmas breaks are always when the most improvements happen for Self teams.
kjayhawks said:
Just flat out lazy on defense, yes they are hot but several had not jayhawk within 5 feet of them. This isn't Middle school guys, teams will hit those all night. This team talent wise is the worse we have had in a very very long time. Both Lawson boys are waste of a scholarship.
Just stop with the hyperbole. This team wasn't voted preseason #1 because of a lack of talent. I'll straight up say the two least talented teams in the Bill Self era were the 2011-12,Final Four team and the 2014-15 Kelly Oubre team.
These are the growing pains of a team that has a lot of new pieces and returning pieces in new roles.
This is their 5th game together. Chemistry doesn't happen overnight and freshmen don't play like seniors.
This team will lose a few games this year they probably shouldn't because of their youth and inexperience.
This group will be fine come January and February.
wissox said:
Grimes was awesome making 3's against MSU. I don't know what happened to his shot.
Same type of shooter as Vick, he's a streaky guy.
The offense is the bigger long term concern with this team this year. Vock is the only one who can make a 3, but he's not going to keep this pace up because he's always been a streaky shooter and not a pure shooter.
Defenses will pack the paint against KU to try and take away Doke and Dedric and force KU to make 3's.
Defense will get better. It takes time to build chemistry and in the case of the freshmen, adjusting to the speed of the college game.
It's a work in progress and they will get better as the year goes on.
KUSTEVE said:
They're now pimping Gonzaga to be ahead of us next week. If we win out this week, and they don't rank us number 1 with a win over Marquette and Tennessee, then's there's no point in following the poll.
I really don't care who's #1 in November. Gonzaga can have their run at the top of the polls for now while KU builds their chemistry and gets to where they can be.
Talent vs. Experience and experience won this one. They're going to win a title one of these years. Few always has them in contention.
@BShark Self had a bad stretch in recruiting as well in 2012 and 2013 with a lot of missed guard targets. It ultimately worked out with Mason and Graham, but neither were anywhere near the top of Self's target list.
I really don't think it'll end up being a bad thing for Cal to miss out on OAD boys fir a couple of years. He'll end up with some program guys and his title team was mostly returning players. With the OAD rule likely going away with the next NBA CBA, having upperclassmen won't be a bad thing for Cal.
I don't think Cal losing Wiseman is a that big of a deal long term recruiting for Cal. Penny was his HS coach, is a Memphis legend coaching at Memphis now. Penny flipping Wiseman was not surprising and I think we're going to see Penny close the border around Memphis the same way Cal did when he was there.
@jayballer73 Corcoran is a 2020 recruit. He's an offensive lineman so he's probably referring to AJ Rickers the OLine coach.
With progress Rickers has made with the OLine this year, I wouldn't be opposed to keeping him as well.
kjayhawks said:
So is it doable for Miles to sneak in a couple of 4 star guys in 2019 class? We only have 14 slots available if they are okay with keeping Mueller on. I'm a little scared with how he said the Juco level was great kansas to get help quick. I have no doubt that he is light years smarter than Weis or Beaty but that is scary with how that was a big factor in current scholarship numbers. Several former Miles players have came out and spoke very highly of him including Odell Beckham JR and Lenard Fournette. I think that could help in getting on some recruits radars.
Mangino went very heavy on JuCo recruiting at the beginning of his tenure. Most of the starters on that 2003 bowl team came from the JuCo ranks. Not quite as many, but a lot of starters on the 2005 bowl team were also JuCo players. It wasn't until the 2004 and 2005 classes where Mangino started scaling back on JuCo recruiting.
@kjayhawks The schedule isn't that much more difficult next year. 9 of the teams are the same every year. BC is a middle of the road team every year so they should be a good measuring stick game for Miles first team. Beaty has closed the talent gap between KU and the rest of the B12 and KU did lose 3 games that were winnable this year in B12 play.
7-5 is probably best case scenario next year, but I don't think 5 wins is unrealistic because KU was a couple of plays this year away from sitting at 5 wins.
BShark said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I'm aware.
KT left California with violations.
Townsend himself did not have violations directly attached to his name like Freeze does. Townsend also did not to KU directly from Cal. He was at 4 other schools before he came to KU.
Townsend has also always been an assistant coach. Hugh Freeze was the head coach who actively participated in the NCAA violations. If they were minor violations, it wouldn't be a big deal. To get the sanctions Freeze got at Ole Miss, he was a dumbass and he would still be a dumbass at KU.
BShark said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
BShark said:
Every coach in the SEC has committed numerous violations.
BULLSHIT!!!
I'd listen to the argument that he could have been better at not getting caught. SEC football is as dirty as it gets though.
Go look at laundry list of sanctions Ole Miss is dealing with right now because of Freeze. Why the hell would want someone that careless and reckless anywhere near this program?
BShark said:
Every coach in the SEC has committed numerous violations.
BULLSHIT!!!
BShark said:
KUSTEVE said:
@jayballer73 Freeze was head coach at Miss when they went to the Top 5 in rankings and recruiting, and then got hammered by the NCAA for recruiting violations. Freeze was let go. He did have a big year or two, until he got caught.
@jayballer73 Freeze beat Bama 2 times in a row and it was almost 3. Helluva coach and good friends with Les as well. Would be a slam dunk hire as OC/HCIW.
Hell no that's not a slam dunk!!!
Ole Miss is in the middle of a two year bowl ban, 4 former Ole Miss staffers received show cause tags, Ole Miss got hit with lack of institutional control, scholarship reductions, vacating wins, 4 years of probation.
Why on earth would you want someone with that track record anywhere near Lawrence and KU?
jayballer73 said:
KUSTEVE said:
@BShark Hugh Freeze as off coordinator - we'll have the whole Dixie Mafia on board before you can say "Pooka to the left ...Pooka to the right ...". No doubt Freeze would be a remarkable play caller- is he going to be our recruiting coordinator? Not sure that would end well. We could full monte on it, turn overnite into a football machine, have a Top 5 recruiting class, then take our ncaa penalties, lay low for a year or two, and then gear it up back again.
Seen his name mentioned during the presser - ok so I have no idea where is this guy from?
Ole Miss coach who committed numerous recruiting violations and is the reason Ole Miss will be at the bottom of the SEC with Arkansas for the foreseeable future. I believe Freeze is also the reason Houston Nutt was able to successfully sue Ole Miss for defamation.
I'm shocked he doesn't have a show cause label attached to him right now. I wouldn't touch the guy with a 100' pole right now. The man is walking trouble.
@BShark It never mattered who the OC at LSU was, it was Les Miles system and that was a pro style run first system.
Looking through what KU's going to be losing this year to graduation. On offense, KU's not losing much. Bender is gone along with Sims, Booker, and Kerr Johnson, but there's still a lot of pieces coming back next year. KU only loses one starter on the OLine that has improved quite a bit from the beginning of the year and will only get better with another offseason.
Defense is another issue though. KU is losing just about every player in the front seven that started. I think the only DLineman and LB's coming back that played a lot of snaps are Azur Kamara at DE, and Kyron Johnson and Denzel Feaster at LB. The secondary is returning in tact and will definitely be the strength the of the defense next season.
There are a lot of returning pieces next season on offense, specifically the running game and with a coach who definitely favors a run first attack, I don't think KU takes a step back next year and may actually be better with Miles in charge.
jayballer73 said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
KU was competitive with Oklahoma in Norman for basically 3 quarters. No shame in that considering the current state of the program.
I don't think very many people thought KU would still be in the game most of the way through the 3rd quarter.
did you?
No, definitely didn't think KU would stay close for that long tonight.
The final score will not reflect how competitive KU was tonight.
Pooka's been practicing his passing skills.