@REHawk Perry was always going to have a hard time making it to the NBA regardless of where he played in college. Not strong enough for the 4, not quick enough for a 3, not a good enough shooter to be a stretch 4, average at best defender, and a subpar rebounder for his size. I love Perry as much as anyone that's worn a KU jersey, but Perry has always been more suited for Euroball than the NBA.
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Great thing about teaching is the 2.5 month break in the summer. Spent a week down on South Padre Island, headed up to Kansas/KC for a few days next week (excited to see the changes to the campus since the last time I was there in 2013) to see family, and I've been playing a lot of golf (thank god for GolfNow so I can play 2-3 times per week).
@HighEliteMajor You keep thinking KU is the chicken for not wanting play Missouri or WSU on Missouri or WSU's.
Then again, you would probably cave to a screaming 4 year old and give them anything they want just shut them up.
@Kcmatt7 In some cases, absolutely it's Snacks fault. If he's their position coach and they don't develop, that 100% falls in Snacks.
The assistant coaches are usually the first ones to bring a player to World's attention in the first place because Self can't be everywhere. Too many misses like that and it would absolutely make someone question Snacks eye for talent as well.
Howard did suck early on at landing his targets, there's no disputing that. He had a lot of misses on high profile players and even some 3-4 year guys. The reality is that Howard is finally finding his footing in recruiting for KU and is finally starting to land more players so the idea of replacing him is becoming less appealing for now as long as he keeps landing solid players. Now if the players he's landing flame out or don't live up to expectations, then that's a problem. Cliff Alexander was his first big time signing and that didn't go well. He was also the lead on a couple of the other "issue" players if I'm not mistaken. While I'm not ready to say I have no worries about Snacks going forward, I do believe the leash is getting longer based on what he's accomplishing right now.
@HighEliteMajor Nebraska was not the first domino, Missouri was. Nebraska may have been the first ones to actually leave, but Missouri is the one who started the whole thing by talking to the Big 10 in the first place. The Big 10 turned Missouri down and offered Nebraska instead. That's not Nebraska initiating the dominoes, that's Nebraska being in the right place at the right time to capitalize on Missouri's screw ups.
Only in your mind is KU the chicken for refusing to play Missouri. Missouri is the one who walked away (changing conferences), they're the ones continuously trying to bait KU to restart the series (showing their bitterness). KU's stance is that Missouri made a decision and has told Missouri to deal with those consequences, one of which is no longer getting to play KU in scheduled games. They don't like it so they are showing their bitterness and short sightedness by begging for a game.
Why would KU want to restart the series on Missouri's terms in the first place? All that says is that Missouri has the power in the relationship and KU has none. This series will restart on KU's terms, not Missouri's terms because Missouri has given up all power in the relationship by acting like spoiled brat that will say anything for attention and KU will not give them the attention they want.
@Kcmatt7 Most of the time, the rumors of Cal to the NBA come from NBA teams wanting him to coach. This rumor was different because it was Cal reaching out about a job.
James Dolan might be saying no for now, but let's see if the Knicks actually land any of their targets. Personally, I think it's stupid of Dolan to reject someone interested in the job because there aren't many out there who are interested in working for arguably the worst owner in North American sports.
@HighEliteMajor The NCAA had a chance to match up KU and Missouri in the 2013 NCAA Tournament and didn't do it.
@Crimsonorblue22 My guess would be Sean Miller.
@REHawk Martin will be there 3 years and bolt somewhere else based on his track record at Tennessee and Cal.
There currently quite a few sites reporting that John Calipari has reached out to the New York Knicks about replacing Phil Jackson as team president. The recruiting ramifications of this if Cal leaves would be huge because Kentucky caliber jobs don't come available very often and they, like Kansas and the other bluest of the blue bloods, can pick whoever they want as their next coach.
Nothing will happen. UT won't get any penalties because "they were unaware" which is the BS lines schools get. The NCAA will never prove this because they don't have the legal authority to subpoena people (reason why KU will never suffer for Cliff) unless Bamba's handler is a complete idiot and males his involvement public record.
Good, let him leave that dumpster fire of a franchise. Hopefully Frank tears it up in Summer League and someone makes an offer for him so he can get out too.
This is absolutely about setting KU up to go to the Big 10 when the current Big 12 TV deal expires and the league dissolves. The Big 10 has had eyes on KU for about 25 years now and the end of the TV may finally be the time KU returns the interest. Adding KC to the Chicago and Indy rotation for the B10 tournament would be cool.
JayHawkFanToo said:
You can try and justify it however you want, but it doesn’t change the reality that when KU reaches the Elite 8 (50% of the time under Self), the odds say KU is going have their worst scoring game of the season that night.
I don't think so. I can count at least 5 games last season when KU scored less points. I have not checked other years but I am sure the result will be similar. Hyperbole will not make your case stronger.
It's not hyperbole, KU's lowest single game point total has come in the Elite 8 five times under Bill Self. KU is 1-4 in those games with Davidson in 2008 being the only win. The 5 times KU has put up a season low in points in the Elite 8 are 2007, 2008, 2011, 2016, and 2017. You can dispute it all you want and claim hyperbole all you want. You can claim to @jaybate-1-0 that you use facts all you want, but when you claim you can name 5 games KU scored fewer than the 60 points they did against Oregon, you better be able to back it up which I know you can't because the schedule doesn't lie, and doesn't support your claim in any way, shape, or form.
Here's the link to KU's schedules in those 7 years. Prove me wrong, prove it's hyperbole and not reality that Bill Self and KU have not had their lowest single game point total 5 times in 7 Elite 8 appearances. I'll post the link to KU's schedule all 7 of the seasons KU went to the Elite 8 or deeper and you can look for yourself to see if it's hyperbole or reality.
2016-17 schedule: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2305/kansas-jayhawks ↗
Show me where KU scored less than the 60 they put up against Oregon?
2015-16 schedule: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2305/year/2016 ↗
Show me where KU put less than the 59 they put up against Villanova?
2011-12 schedule: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2305/year/2012 ↗
This is one of the two Elite 8 appearances KU did not have their lowest scoring game of the year, that happened in the Sweet 16 against NC State.
2010-11 schedule: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2305/year/2011 ↗
Show me where KU scored less than the 61 they did against VCU?
2007-08 schedule: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2305/year/2008 ↗
KU also only scored 59 against USC so the E8 game against Davidson is tied for the lowest that year, but still the lowest.
Show me where KU scored less than the 59 they put up against Davidson and USC?
2006-07 schedule: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2305/year/2007 ↗
Show me where KU scored less than the 55 they put up against UCLA?
2003-04 schedule: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2305/year/2004 ↗
The only other year besides 2012 where KU did not have a season low in the Elite 8. KU's lowest scoring game that year was against Nebraska in Lincoln.
There's all 7 of KU's Elite 8 or better seasons under Self. I've given you the point total KU scored in each of the 5 Elite 8 games KU had their lowest scoring game of the season and I even told you which game was KU's lowest in the 2 years it wasn't the E8.
I'll even give you KU's worst scoring game in the other 7 seasons in which KU didn't reach the Elite 8.
2014-15: Kentucky (Neutral court) - 40 points
2013-14: San Diego St. and Stanford (Round of 32) - 57 points
2012-13: @TCU - 55 points
2009-10: Memphis (Neutral court) - 57 points
2008-09: UMass (Sprint Center) and @Missouri - 60 points
2005-06: Arizona (Neutral court) - 49 points
2004-05: Nebraska - 59 points
Unless the Big 10 goes beyond 16, it'll be KU and one other program in a new TV market since that's what has driven Big 10 expansion. 4 mega conferences is the end game here and was made loud and clear when both ESPN and Fox were adamantly against Big 12 expansion.
KU does appear to be in great position to move over to Big 10 when the Big 12 TV contract expires and the league dies.
@BeddieKU23 The comparison player for Ball is Jason Kidd and if that's what the Lakers get out of ball, they'll take that in a heartbeat.
Lonzo is the one person in that family I'm not concerned with at all. LeMelo is the kid I would stay away from because he seems to have Lavar's personality based on what I've seen of him including the wrestling segment he was on last night with Lavar and Lonzo where Lavar took his shirt off.
JayHawkFanToo said:
With Wiggins, Buttler and Towns the scoring is now pretty decent. I do agree that Rubio would be great for the Spurs; he is a great game manager and perhaps more importantly...a fun player to watch.
Scoring and shooting are not the same thing and Minnesota was hot garbage from behind the 3 point line. Brandon Rush and Zach Lavine were their best 3 point shooters at 38% which is not good.
I would also be highly concerned about Wiggins long term because he was the worst defender in the NBA last year. We all know he was a very good defender at KU so his struggles on defense are purely effort and when effort enters the equation, that's a big concern.
@JayHawkFanToo Those may be good numbers, but that doesn't change what Minnesota is looking for in a PG and Rubio doesn't fit what they want out of a PG. They want a PG who can shoot well and that's not Rubio and Minnesota is apparently willing to sacrifice in the ball handling department if they can get what they want at that spot.
If I was the Spurs, I'd be all over Rubio instead of CP3 knowing what Rubio brings to the table
@JayHawkFanToo Bill Self has coached in 4 Final Four games, that's supposed to be even better competition than the Elite 8, yet KU hasn't had the scoring issues in those rounds they've had in the Elite 8.
You can try and justify it however you want, but it doesn't change the reality that when KU reaches the Elite 8 (50% of the time under Self), the odds say KU is going have their worst scoring game of the season that night.
@JayHawkFanToo If the Elite 8 losses are bad luck, explain why KU has had their lowest scoring game in that round in 5 of those 7 games. That's not bad luck, that's a trend.
JayHawkFanToo said:
The glaring issue is his lack of scoring and poor shooting.
This is why Minnesota is trying to trade him. They want a PG who can shoot better than Rubio can.
@approxinfinity That's part of why Josh canceled the workout was because it wasn't certain Boston was keeping that pick. Ainge is always looking to acquire picks so I'm sure he was at least listening to offers.
approxinfinity said:
In retrospect LA should have traded down to the 4 and taken Ball there if they could get Phoenix to bite. Suns probably still would have taken Josh at the 2 spot and may have taken the trade had they not known the Celts would take Tatum.
Why would the Lakers trade down though? The Celtics were actively fielding offers for the #3 pick and someone could've taken Ball at 3 in that scenario and the Lakers would be stuck with someone they didn't want or forced to trade down.
Lakers and Suns swapping picks really didn't make sense for either team.
@KUSTEVE KJ is a stretch 4 with the back court pieces Self already has for 2018. Moore at PG, Garrett as the off ball guard, Vick at the 3, Cunliffe off the bench, plus whatever Self adds in recruiting. Dedric, and probably one of Preston or Doke comes back, but if not, KJ at the 4. With what we know for sure Self will have in 2018, there's no reason why the conference streak shouldn't reach at least 15 straight because there's nobody that has that for sure coming back.
I would put a starting line up of Moore, Garrett, Vick, Lawson, Lawson against anybody in 2018-19 and feel great about it. With Cunliffe and Lightfoot off the bench, that's a line up missing a back up PG and back up low post player from being a 2016-17 UNC caliber line up.
@jaybate-1.0 Garrett was a mid to high level 4 star. His rating was between 38 and 62 from the big 3 recruiting services.
Notice Garrett's position in that video. Point guard, so we have an idea of how Self likely views Garrett's development.
There's a video on the KU basketball Facebook page introducing the new guys and it includes their position and it had Marcus Garrett listed as a point guard. That should be a big sign of what SeIf's intentions with Garrett are.
@jaybate-1.0 Malik Monk and Donovan Mitchell are both listed at 6'-3" and were each lottery picks last night. The NBA is trending smaller than when Chalmers came out so bro g a 6'-3" combo guard isn't that big a deal in today's NBA.
@BeddieKU23 If Azubuike picks up where he left off when he got hurt last year, he's going to be a highly coveted prospect based on his size alone because that's one of the few things in basketball that can't be taught.
It's possible he doesn't pick up though which is why I used the P-word with Azubuike.
It won't impact Texas because the NCAA can't afford to give up 3 of their 10 Final Four sites.
KU has 3 potential 2018 lottery picks right now and 5 guys total who could be drafted.
Newman, Preston, and Azubuike are all possible lottery picks with Azubuike being a potential top 5 pick with his size.
Graham probably won't be a lottery pick because of his age, but he's comparable in size to Dennis Smith and Malik Monk who were both lottery so size won't hurt Graham's draft position. Svi probably ends up like Kaun as a second round draft and stash guy who plays the majority of his career in Europe and may or may not ever play in the NBA.
Vick has the possibility, but I just don't see him being featured enough in the offense to be a 2018 draft pick. He's being groomed to be the man in 2018-19 as a senior like Graham is this year.
@globaljaybird Frank's jersey probably won't be next since there's other eligible players not up there yet (Sherron, Aldrich, and T-Rob), but it'll be up there at some point.
@Barney All the transfers can play in Italy because those aren't NCAA sanctioned games so Cunliffe and the Lawson's will play as well so long as they are healthy at that point.
@jaybate-1.0 Chalrie Moore can't play for KU this year because of the transfer rules.
@kjayhawks Just stop. If you seriously think that one poke is what ruined Mangino, I've got some ocean front property in Kansas to sell you. That was the culmination of many incidents over a long period of time.
Mangino was well known around Lawrence to be extremely verbally abusive to his players and others around Lawrence including parking officials, HS refs, and others.
I know what the atmosphere of that was because that was my senior year at KU and I was and still am in regular contact with players on that team. If Arist Wright was such a pansy, why did the locker room side with Wright and not Mangino? Very telling about everyone's opinion of Mangino when the players are not publicly defending Mangino to the media.
@ParisHawk Assault involves bodily harm or the threat of bodily harm. Kicking a car is not harming someone physically or threatening them physically.
Can we also stop pretending like this is a one way incident with Josh doing everything and Calvert doing nothing wrong. She was the instigator in this event and a big part of why She's no longer apart of the women's team.
@Kcmatt7 Teams that quit on coaches tend to lose pretty badly.
Kcmatt7 said:
@dylans Todd Reesing also had a 5-7 season his senior year to go with his 8-5 Junior season. The team progressively got worse, despite the QB.
That 2009 (Senior season) team started 5-0, and finished 0-7. Reesing threw only 13 TD to his 8 INTs in Conference play. If you take you the ISU game which was part of that 5-0 start, he threw 9 TDs and 7 INTs in the last 7 games.
Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Nevermind that 0-7 coincided with Reesing injuring his groin combined with the team quitting on Mangino that year after the Arist Wright incident.
@ParisHawk McKenzie Calvert wasn't alone in the car, there were two other girls with her. Calvert was also the instigator in this event.
As intense as the situation got, based on the police report, Jackson did show some restraint because there are plenty of men out there who would have physically assaulted Calvert in the situation.
Jackson's intensity and aggression is a double edged sword as it's a huge part of why he's so great on the court, but it also can be a negative off the court because it can lead to situations like the Calvert situation where he doesn't let something go that he should have.
I'm guessing he learned some ways to channel that anger and aggression off the court in ways that won't lead to charges being filed against him.
@JayHawkFanToo Yes, that is what I'm saying and yes, it is non-sensical, but when has common sense and the NCAA ever gone together?
The Miami Hurricanes were doing far worse stuff than SMU around the same time as SMU, but the were a marques name and escaped a death penalty they should've received based on tge death penalty SMU got.
The NCAA is many things, consistent is not one of them.
@jaybate-1.0 Mitch isn't leaving KU even if he struggles this year. He is a born and bred Jayhawk. Even if he wasn't good enough to be on scholarship, he likely would've walked on at KU given the opportunity. Mitch came here knowing there was a possibility he never cracks the rotation and he doesn't care because he has always bled Crimson and Blue.
@JayHawkFanToo Again, the NCAA Tournament is what single handily funds the NCAA. The NCAA is not going to risk having the P5 conferences break away and form a new governing body by taking away a title from one of them.
@JayHawkFanToo A Final Four is not a national title, I've said that multiple times already.
@Kcmatt7 Did I say 8 wins was average for every coach? No, I didn't, I said 8 wins was average for Snyder because 202 wins over 25 seasons is 8.02 wins per season. David Beaty's average would be 1 win per season at this point. Funny how math works isn't it.
@JayHawkFanToo And yet no basketball programs despite teams that have had players paid by agents, found guilty of point shaving and other issues over the years. The NCAA Tournament is what funds the NCAA, they're not screwing that up by forcing a team to give up a title and starting the domino effect of the P5 forming their own governing body.
The NCAA will do everything to Louisville but make them take down the 2013 banner.
@JayHawkFanToo NCAA doesn't give a crap about the runner ups. Plenty of them have vacated their Final Four's. They've never forced a champ to do so and Louisville won't be the first. NCAA will do everything to Louisville but make them vacate the 2013 national title.
This isn't the first time a situation like this has come up before. Duke didn't forfeit their Corey Magette title, Miami didn't forfeit any of their football titles in the 80's or 90's despite what that program did. There's too many examples of the NCAA not forcing a program to vacate a title when they should have to make me believe that Louisville is vacating the 2013 title.
Fines, probabation, vacating wins in the surrounding seasons, postseason bans are all options, but Louisville will not be giving up the 2013 title when this is finished.
@JayHawkFanToo There's been several teams over the years that should've forfeited titles, but it's never happened and it won't now even if it should. And I'm not just talking about basketball, this includes football as well.
There will be some kind of deal made that will allow Louisville to keep their title.
@Kcmatt7 Snyder has averaged 8 wins a year over his 25 years. 8 wins is the average so using that as the standard isn't a great way measure who's been great since 8 wins is an average season. 10+ wins is a better measure for who's been great for Snyder.
Colin Klein is the only KSU QB to win 10+ games in a season (2×) since Snyder returned in 2009. Klein and Roberson are the only 2 QB's to win conference titles in Snyder's 25 years. Those guys didn't have any better of a supporting cast than other QB's, they were just better QB's than the rest.
@JayHawkFanToo Louisville won't end up forfeiting their title.