@approxinfinity said in KSU Student is Racist:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I don't think it's hard to defend this tweet as not being racist. I think Trump has thoroughly broken our ability to judge a statement in isolation. The kid might be a racist. But you can't even think about expelling him from school by this statement alone.

If he says something that's actually racist, let's talk about that. Not infer what we want to from his insensitive social media posts and the clubs he belongs to.

If I were to take the kid's statement in isolation, I would be doing a disservice to KU's History program where I was taught how not to take a statement in isolation and to look for the context of the statement to better understand its meaning and intent. So when you combine that kid's statement with the fact that he's president of an organization whose stated values are "Strong borders, traditional families, the American worker, and Christian values," it becomes very difficult not view his statement as implicitly racist. Implicitly means implied though not plainly expressed.

As I said in my very first post on this thread, which you it appears you didn't read, I never said the kid didn't have a right to say what he said and if KSU tries to expell him, they are opening themselves up to a discrimination lawsuit based on violating his first amendment rights.

@approxinfinity said in KSU Student is Racist:

@FarmerJayhawk Is that statement even racist? George Floyd had fentanyl and meth in his system according to the autopsy. I know it is a pretty insensitive thing to say, and might be construed as an inference towards black people as a whole, but I don't think this statement is explicitly racist. If a black person said the same of Layne Staley when he died, or Kurt Cobain, or Elvis or whatever, would anyone bat an eye? (I'm going for "No, and nor should they. Black people are allowed to have opinions about famous white drug addicts, and even crack jokes about their drug habits post-humously.")

I don't think the context of this country being in flames should shift the punishment for something that is not definitively racist, and I think it's dangerous and divisive to start calling anyone who says anything about a person of another race a racist where nothing has been explicitly stated about their race.

His statement isn't explicitly racist, but it is implicitly racist. The group he's president of at KSU "America First Students" has some strong alt-right leanings. So when context is added, I would say it's pretty hard to defend this statement as not being racist in nature.

Thinking about the message of that tweet does bring up an interesting point about being the "flavor of the month" though. Now that we're seeing massive spike in Covid cases, MSM outside of the sports world is pretty much focusing on Covid and LGBT rights after the Supreme Court ruling and has pushed BLM aside.

The sports world with the Bubba Wallace incident and NBA players deciding whether or not to return to play are pretty much the only embers of BLM still getting attention at a national level.

@mayjay I seriously doubt KSU has any T&C for accessing their WiFi. I know KU didn't and I'm guessing it's because that was paid for by the government to set up WiFi across the campus which was still a work in progress when I was there. I believe all of the academic buildings had WiFi when I was there, but not all of the dorms did at that point, at least McCollum didn't when I lived there.

Since the kid isn't a football player, I doubt he's been on KSU's campus since March so probably a non-issue regardless.

@FarmerJayhawk I'm sure that kid is far from the only KSU student who feels that way. I'm sure there's plenty of KU students who share that sentiment as well.

The kid didn't advocate harm to be brought to anyone or promote hate speech. He expressed an opinion that's currently running contrary to popular opinion and since KSU receives government funding, 1st Amendment rights protect that kid's right to express himself.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech and needs to defended regardless of the popularity of that speech. If KSU removes the student from school over that tweet, that would probably open themselves up to a discrimination lawsuit.

@Kcmatt7 said in Stock picks:

@justanotherfan said in Stock picks:

I like some industries that are down right now (mostly entertainment and hotel/vacation type stuff). They are not making any money right now, so are falling, but will probably rebound once things can fully open back up, similar to air travel.

I made a bit earlier this year, but have mostly backed out of the market over the last several weeks while I wait to see where things end up. I probably won't get back in for a few more weeks unless I want to buy and hold. Market is just too volatile right now to do much trading without risking losing your shirt.

American Airlines has to take a 12% loan yesterday.

Not a great sign for the industry....

Airlines need to stop being bailed out and allowed to fail and go under to force much needed change in the industry.

@kjayhawks said in Frank:

I really think he could be a solid back up PG, he just needs to be in the right place. Being drafted by a crap organization can be deadly for ones career.

Frank's not with the King's anymore though, he's with Milwaukee and his obstacle to minutes now are better players ahead of him which is why he was in the G-League this season. He's in a place now where he could legitimately win a ring, but Frank would have almost no impact on Milwaukee's ability to win a ring though.

With Eric Bledsoe as the starting point, it's gonna hard for Frank to crack the rotation with everyone needing to get back into game shape.

@JAYHAWKFAN214 said in 2021 Recruiting:

Can we get back on subject here this is for recruiting basketball not recruiting football

The recruit in question is a two sport athlete whose first sport is football, but an opportunity to possibly play basketball as KU is a selling point that's keeping KU in the mix for the kid.

@DanR said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@Texas-Hawk-10 He's not a "capitalist" either. Capitalists know which side of the bread the butter is on. Name one CEO who is going down Trump's Covid million lives death march. He's a malignant narcissist. Koolaid drinkers are still lined up for more of this? Still? I don't get it. Wake up.

What's Zuckerberg have to do with this?

If you bothered to take your blue colored glasses off, you would know that I've made quite a few posts of the past 3.5 years where I've specifically said I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 and have recently said I have no desire to vote for him this year either. I usually vote Libertarian, so keep assuming I'm drinking the Trump Kool aid. I'm also not so blind with hatred that I don't acknowledge areas where I believe Trump has done well, which is mostly in economic areas in regards to trade deals and attempting to deregulate different industries. I also gave Obama credit in regards to some of his foreign deals and trying to the US out of the Middle East. I don't care which side of the aisle someone is on, if they do something I like, I'll give them credit for it.

This is my last response on the matter because you're clearly too blinded by hatred to have rational and logical discussion on the matter.

@mayjay said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I think the bigger disagreement is whether as a businessman Trump can be considered successful. His bankruptcies, the fraudulent "university", the fact that his wealth may be all boast with no depth, the dozens of lawsuits against him... all of those do not seem marks of success. There are some calculations suggesting the money his dad loaned him and his inheritance would have grown in value far more if it had just been put in interest-bearing accounts.

We might learn more if the Supreme Court decides his taxes must be produced.

I never mentioned anything about his successes or failures though so that's not really relevant. My initial post was Trump is a businessman and that's the mentality he's using to run the country and that I believe some of his decisions in regards to trade and regulation will be beneficial in the long term to the US.

I also said that mentality is not good for a time like this with the pandemic because this is a situation where everyone needs to be on the same page and Trump's mentality is counter to that. Trump is a capitalist and applying that mindset to the pandemic of letting each state handle it as they see fit and it's not the right approach to take right now as there needs to clear direction from the top and he's not doing that right now.

@DanR said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Donald Trump is a businessman

Bullshit. Compared to what other successful business man or woman? Who would be his peers? What company would have that guy as their CEO right now. Seriously. LOL. Even the worst bosses like the DeBartolo family would laugh at the idea that Trump is a "businessman." unless you mean grifter. I thought we were past that laughable point.

He's a conman, second tier mafia wannabe, snake oil salesman, and, above all, malignant narcisist.

Just because you disagree with his morals and ethics doesn't change the fact that Trump is a businessman. There's plenty of businessmen out there who clawed their way to the top by doing a whole lot of illegal, unethical, and immoral deeds. This isn't a trait exclusive to the right, it applies business leaders on both sides of the aisle unless you think noted liberal Mark Zuckerberg is a shining beacon or moral and ethics.

The list of people who became very successful and very wealthy in business being immoral and unethical is much longer than the people who do things the "right way".

Donald Trump is a businessman and that's how he approaches being the president is running the US like a business. Some results are beneficial to this as I've generally liked the trade deals he's put in place or attempted to put in place and to try and deregulate in areas because I believe those would benefit the US long term.

Handling this pandemic from a business mindset is not beneficial because the mentality is to reopen as quickly as possible to minimize financial burdens on businesses to avoid bailing them out as much as possible, obviously some industries received bailouts and will likely be subsidized for the foreseeable future. Combine that mentality with not using federal power to regulate and enforce a shut down to and have everyone on the same page.

I think Trump is costing himself the election with his handling of Covid as even many within the Republican Party (at all levels) have been hesitant to fully support Trump's Covid policies.

@approxinfinity said in Self Talks about 20-21 season:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Has there been talk about Enaruna bolting? I haven't kept up on that.

Self said he doesn't know when Tristan will be able to come back from the Netherlands because of travel restrictions in place.

Considering KU has conceded money changed hands for multiple recruits, there's probably a reduction in scholarships coming for basketball so someone like Coleman who would be on scholarship for another sport could provide a boost for roster numbers in basketball. I'm sure Self and Miles have to be in contact with other in regards to this kid.

Considering OU's track record of WR's recently, they're going to be hard to beat. I'm also very surprised LSU isn't in the mix considering they're long history of sending WR's to the NFL that have been very productive in the league.

So Coach Self has pretty much confirmed that Mitch will be seeing his minutes at the 4 next year. Interesting how when someone here said that, people tried ripping that notion apart because of past roster compositions.

Now that KU has roster loaded with 4's and 5's (6 by my count), that pretty much forces Self's to play a stretch 4 to get Mitch, Jalen, and Tristan (if he's back) any minutes next year. With KU down on playable back court depth next year as well, we're probably going to see a stretch 4 in the line up on a pretty regular basis.

Baseball is trying so hard to ruin itself for the future. Both sides butchered this situation so badly and I'm fully expecting a work stoppage next year when the CBA is up that will further alienate its fans.

The times I've been in there when it's empty were when there was lightning in the area when I was at baseball games and a during the summer walking around Booth when the team store was still in that location and going into DeBruce.

@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Positive rate in Texas is up to 9%.

Pediatric hospitals are having to take adults in. They’re running out of ICU beds quickly.

Bleak situation.

We were also pretty much the first state to open back up. Here in Houston, we're now under a mandatory mask order until the end of the month and I really wouldn't be shocked if it gets extended. Off-season football conditioning began started up last week so I'm sure there's going to be something similar to what we saw when college football teams regathered to begin their conditioning programs.

I'm torn on whether or not sports at the middle school level should be cancelled this year because 12-15 year old kids aren't going to follow safety protocols the way they need to be followed and a lot of them live with people at higher risk for severe symptoms so there's a safety element that's a very strong reason to not do sports. Selfishly, not having sports would be over a 10% drop in income next year which is significant when you're trying to save up for a house.

@drgnslayr said in NOA response from KU discussion:

@Texas-Hawk-10

I think we basically agree on things.

I think the NCAA will have to show a real effort where Kansas officials and Adidas conspired to bring players to Kansas. I haven't heard of anything coming close to making such a violation charge valid.

I do believe Self will scorch the NCAA. But I doubt Self will scorch Duke... and believe me, he could scorch Duke over Zion. He could make that investigation and allegation stick. He could do the same by going after other schools. That isn't Self's style, to hurt others, especially negatively impacting athletes. That's how I defined "scorched earth."

Scorched earth to me means there will be collateral damage along the way. While Self and Kansas may not directly go after Duke, texts implying what it would take for KU to land Zion Williamson did get leaked along with the information his former agency made public about his parents living situation and vehicle. The Zion situation is relevant because of the similarities to what happened with Billy Preston's recruitment is how you establish relevance to be able to dig deeper into Zion's recruitment and if Duke becomes collateral damage as a result, I don't think fellow ACC teams Louisville and NC State are going to be too upset about that since they're facing a lot of the same accusations as KU in regards to their relationship with TJ Gassnola and Adidas.

I would imagine if KU went to trial, more of their focus would be on LSU, Oklahoma St., and Arizona and why they didn't get charged with the same booster violation stuff the Adidas schools did since those schools did have collaborations with an apparel supplier rep to steer recruits their way as well.

@approxinfinity I don't think it would be a bad idea to make 2-3 people moderators that can shut things down when they get out of hand by either locking a thread or bans, temporary or permanent, if necessary. I don't know if you could directly give them the power to do that or they tell you what needs to happen in a situation like that, but I don't think it'd be a bad idea to have multiple moderators that way if one of them gets involved in something, there's still at least one other impartial person involved.

I'll also add that when you're discussing 400 years of racism in this country, of which it was legal for about 350 of those years, it's not going to be a very positive conversation for the most part.

@stoptheflop said in 2021 Recruiting:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Any thoughts on who will start at QB? The pantry appears empty to me. I was hoping for a surprise transfer to help us out.

I don't think it really matters at this point because there isn't much there. My guess would be either Kendrick or MacVittie.

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Recruiting:

@stoptheflop said in 2021 Recruiting:

Is Torry Locklin still on the team? During last year's spring practice he showed some good old will to score that reminded me of Reesing. My VCR wtih the spring practice recording went bellyup, so I can't go back and watch him very easily.

Yes, I think they’re converting him to a RB.

Locklin is listed as a RB on the KU football site.

KU has been a QB away from being a bowl contender for about 4 years now.

@drgnslayr Your assumptions about the logic behind a scorched earth plan are faulty. Nobody is advocating going scorched earth on the NCAA as a first line of defense in this matter. It is a last line of defense to guard against the NCAA's changing enforcement and unequal application of an NCAA bylaw in regards to the definition of a booster.

Here is the specific bylaws in question which is the NCAA's definition of a representative of athletic interest more commonly known as a booster.

13.02.15 A "representative of the institution's athletics interests" is an individual, independent agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization who is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution's executive or athletics administration to:

a) Have participated in or to be a member of an agency or organization promoting the institution's intercollegiate athletics program;

(b) Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;

(c) Be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletics department staff) to assist in the recruitment of prospective studentathletes;

(d) Be assisting or to have assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes or their family members; or

(e) Have been involved otherwise in promoting the institution's athletics program.

If former NABC president and current Notre Dame coach Mike Brey is to be believed, every school is in communication with a representative of a shoe sponsor to get information on recruits and to help their school with recruiting. We know TJ Gassnola was helping coaches at multiple schools, not just Kansas to make contact with recruits.

Self's statements this week indicate he's ready to torch the system if the ruling goes against Kansas and I do believe Self is ready to martyr himself to bring about change in the NCAA and he won't be alone on that fight. All Adidas schools will have KU's back if Adidas is ruled a booster.

What really needs to happen is the NCAA needs to create a separate set of bylaws in regards to corporate sponsors of athletic programs and what they can or cannot do. Right now, by literal interpretation of this bylaw, and company that advertise in the home venue of an NCAA program would be considered a booster. Is Delta Dental really a booster of Kansas Athletics? Is Russell Stover a booster of Kansas Athletics? Is Pepsi a Kansas Athletics booster? These are all companies that have corporate sponsorship deals with Kansas Athletics and advertise inside Allen Fieldhouse so based on how the NCAA is portraying Adidas, do they consider those companies boosters of Kansas Athletics as well?

Today, June 19, is known as Juneteenth. You've probably heard a lot of different groups say they will acknowledge today as a holiday, but may not know the significance of Juneteenth to the black community.

In September of 1862, the Union had just claimed their first major military victory of the Civil War at the Battle of Antietam/Sharpsburg (depending on source). To build on the momentum gained from this victory, Abraham Lincoln issued a proclamation that he had been sitting on for a couple of months because he had been waiting until a major Union victory. That statement was the Emancipation Proclamation which was to go into effect on Jan. 1, 1863. Because the Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves held in areas of rebellion (Confederate controlled states), the Union would have to eventually win the Civil War in order to enforce it. Fast forward a couple of years later to April of 1865 at Appomattox Court House in central Virginia and Confederate General Robert E. Lee surrenders to Union General Ulysses S. Grant bringing an end to the Civil War with a victory for the Union.

A few days after the surrender, Abraham Lincoln is assassinated and about a month later in May of 1865, the final battle of the Civil War occurs along the Texas/Mexico border at a site called Palmetto Ranch which ended in a Confederate victory. While celebrating this victory, word finally arrived in south Texas of Lee's surrender and the mood quickly changes in both camps.

About another month later on June 19, 1865, Union General Gordon Granger makes landfall in Galveston, TX as commander of the District of Texas and reads the following statement as one of his first official acts, "The people of Texas are informed that in accordance with a Proclamation from the Executive of the United States, all slaves are free. This involves an absolute equality of rights and rights of property between former masters and slaves, and the connection therefore existing between them becomes that between employer and free laborer."

Word quickly spreads throughout Texas and the rest of the former Confederacy of the Emancipation Proclamation and process of Reconstruction and reintegration of the former Confederate states back into the Union began.

Juneteenth is the celebration of the day the Emancipation Proclamation was able to begin being enforced about 2.5 years after it went into effect and the day progress towards equality for black people in the United States was able to begin. It's significance is because it's the anniversary of the start of the race that BLM is continuing today and other groups in the future will continue until the finish line is reached of true equality in this country.

@mayjay Don't get me going on Roger Taney and the Dred Scott case. That was the absolute worst ruling our Supreme Court has ever made.

Lincoln is also the most overrated president to me. Not enough people understand Lincoln's views on black people and he probably would not be viewed as favorably as he is if it was more well known he wasn't an abolitionist, initially he just wanted to contain slavery to states it ready existed in and had no plans to abolish slavery initially. Not enough people also realize the Emancipation Proclamation was purely a political ploy to get reelected because of how unpopular the Civil War was in the north and that it didn't actually free anybody. It only freed slaves in territories considered to be in rebellion (Confederate held areas) and didn't apply to slaves in the Border States of Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, or West Virginia who all stayed with the Union or to parts of the Confederacy the Union had already gained control of such as Tennessee and a big chunk of Louisiana.

Lincoln also didn't believe black and white people could ever coexist and was a big proponent of the Liberia Plan which was a plan to send freed blacks to a colony created for freed slaves in Liberia.

Ja Morant recently asked Murray, KY where he played his college ball at to remove a statue of Robert E. Lee in town. My first reaction was why did that town even have a Lee statue to begin with. For those unaware of US history, Kentucky was one of four states where slavery was legal, but voted against secession from the US and remained part of the Union during the Civil War. The other 3 states were Delaware, Maryland, and Missouri. A group of counties in northwestern Virginia refused to follow the rest of the state also voted against secession from the United States and created the new state of West Virginia and fought on the side of the Union during the Civil War.

Why would a state that sided with the Union during the Civil War vote to put up a statue of a man who committed treason against them?

Tear the statues down and put them in museums somewhere to teach the true history of the south in the Civil War, not the bastardized version that southern states try to teach. Most states, including Texas still try to push the narrative of States' Rights being the biggest factor in secession which is an absolute lie. Specifically, southern states didn't want the federal government making laws restricting slavery which obviously pissed the south off and so they went and tried and failed to gain their independence from the US.

I've been saying this for months now, if Adidas is ultimately deemed a booster by the IARP, Self and Kansas are going full scorched earth on the NCAA in court and torch the NCAA system through the courtroom and empty the NCAA's closet of all its skeletons.

The KU/NC State/Louisville cases have the potential to be complete game changers in the NCAA and lead to creation of a new governing body created by university presidents and athletic directors.

Last night, Embiid tweeted that he finally got his driver's license after 9 years in the States. He followed that up with another tweet asking what kind of car he should get.

@kjayhawks said in Mike Gundy and OSU:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29318760/chuba-hubbard-mike-gundy-power-college-football-players ↗

Interesting stuff going on in Stillwater. The five demands listed by Gottlieb from the players are 1. Earrings 2. Durags/wind cap 3. Ability to sag pants 4. Hair styles 5. Music that contains curse words and derogatory language towards women.

Seems kinda petty to me, what’s the take on this friends?

As someone who coaches football and basketball at a school where the majority of the athletes are black, 1 is not an issue to me. We tell the athletes to take them out because UIL (Texas sports governing body) policy doesn't allow jewelry so we get our athletes used to that and if they get caught, penalty is removal from the game until they're compliant. Most officials are cool about it and will tell a player they need to remove whatever so they can stay in, but occasionally we'll get an official (usually new) that power trips about stuff like that and doesn't give a warning.

2 isn't an issue, we allow the players to wear wave or wind caps under their helmets and if they wear a du rag, it has to be tied so nothing is hanging out because then it becomes a safety issue.

3, our district has a dress code that all students are supposed to tuck their shirts in and we tell them their pants have to sitting at their waste. If they get caught sagging, it's a warning 1st offense, 2nd time they get caught we zip tie their pants and if they remove the zip tie before the end of the day, they don't play the next game. This is the one that at any level I wouldn't allow just because of how bad it looks.

4, as long as their hair is neat and groomed, how they style it isn't an issue as long as there's nothing inappropriate shaved in their hair.

5 is the one I'm always conflicted on because of the influences lyrics like that can have on kids. At the college level, it would probably depend on the situation if I cared or not. I wouldn't play stuff like that when there's visitors because of the impression it gives off, but if it's inside a weight room or they have headphones in, then I wouldn't care.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Settlement agreement breaks down $2.55 million deal between KU and fired football coach Beaty; KU legal fees total $477K:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Settlement agreement breaks down $2.55 million deal between KU and fired football coach Beaty; KU legal fees total $477K:

@Kcmatt7 said in Settlement agreement breaks down $2.55 million deal between KU and fired football coach Beaty; KU legal fees total $477K:

This was an absolute disaster and a huge waste of money.

Les better win some football games soon or Jeff isn’t going to last long.

Jeff Long needs to go regardless of what Les Miles does on the field. There's a reason he's been run out of multiple jobs before. He's not a great judge of character based on how his Arkansas hires and he tends to piss off alums which wasting money on this Beaty lawsuit I'm sure isn't sitting well with quite a few alums right now.

Yes now is obviously the time to pay him a $3 million buyout in the middle of employee furloughs.

From my circle of KU friends, the attitude was either apathy or suck Beaty dry. The few “pay the man!!” People generally were much stronger basketball fans and probably couldn’t name half a dozen football players.

And FWIW, donors were behind Long on this. Rich people tend to frown upon getting cheated by their employees ¯_(ツ)_/¯

This was just a bad hire from the start. In the end, KU ended up saving about $100k than if they had just paid Beaty off to start with and wouldn't have taken the PR hit the department did from this mess. And the only reason they settled at this point was to avoid having Gassnola testify and potentially have something come out to hurt the basketball program's case. This is just a bad all around look for the athletic department and Long handled it about as poorly as possible. Our top donors don't exactly have a great history in regards to moving on from AD's or coaches in a timely manner considering Ritch Price and Brandon Schneider are still coaches despite their atrocious track records.

@Kcmatt7 said in Settlement agreement breaks down $2.55 million deal between KU and fired football coach Beaty; KU legal fees total $477K:

This was an absolute disaster and a huge waste of money.

Les better win some football games soon or Jeff isn’t going to last long.

Jeff Long needs to go regardless of what Les Miles does on the field. There's a reason he's been run out of multiple jobs before. He's not a great judge of character based on how his Arkansas hires and he tends to piss off alums which wasting money on this Beaty lawsuit I'm sure isn't sitting well with quite a few alums right now.

@jayballer73 said in NOA response from KU discussion:

@BeddieKU23 said in NOA response from KU discussion:

@jayballer73

We should be afraid its new. It's also the only hope at a fair shake.

So very true & that's a big reason I am worried like you. They are new They want to set an example.

If they purposefully seek to make an example of a program, schools are going to flat out refuse have cases go to them which is bad for business for the IARP. If the IARP goes too far the other way and absolves everything, the NCAA is going to refuse to have cases go the IARP route which again is bad for business for the IARP. It's in the IARP's best interest to be as fair and unbiased as possible so both schools and the NCAA will continue to allow the IARP to hear cases in the future.

@Kcmatt7 Here's a helpful hints on which side is typically responsible for block legislation. If it deals with stripping away privacy, it's usually the right that's responsible. If it deals with trying to screw people out of money, it's probably the left responsible for it.

Considering the right is historically in favor of economic deregulation, them supporting making birth control an OTC drug makes sense because it helps deregulate big pharma.

One of the few times I agree with AOC on policy.

@wissox said in NOA response from KU discussion:

When is our execution date? In other words, when are we finally going to find out when the bourgeoisie is going to send us to the Gulag?

Nothing about this process will be publicly known at this point. Only updates we're likely to get before a decision is if the football and basketball cases will be looked at separately and when KU presents their case. My best guess is we'll know about 2 months after the NC State ruling is handed down so we should have about 2 months to know whether KU is going to take it up the rear or not.

I am only referring to the ruling on the status of TJ Gassnola and Adidas to NC State because that's the relevant portion of their case to KU.

I wish NC State would get ruled on before KU presents their case so KU could call up NC State and find out what works and doesn't work with the IARP.

@BeddieKU23 said in NOA response from KU discussion:

IARP it is. That is if they accept. KU did today

This is KU's best shot to avoid the harshest punishments. Obviously not guaranteed KU will avoid the hammer, but the odds are better than going through the COI and appeals route since we know the NCAA is out for blood.

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

Is five years long enough?

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That post gives zero context to those numbers so they're not usable to support any position because it doesn't break the numbers down by race/gender/jurisdiction of any other way to make a determination about anything. Did a city like St. Louis or Baltimore see a decrease in that 5 years because of changes made in the wake their incidents while another city saw an increase for some other reason? Those numbers are useless without context.

5 years is a good time frame to evaluate how effective reforms have been. Evaluate what's worked, what hasn't worked, what just needs slight tweaking to become effective and make appropriate changes to keep moving forward.

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@Texas-Hawk-10 It’s all part of the same criminal justice system. I was just addressing the situation @FarmerJayhawk brought up?

I agree judges are yet another piece of that system needed major overhauls. I like term limits. What does “appointing on merit” look like?

Also, (note this is highly in jest and not meant to offend) what happened to no easy fixes?

Different aspects of the criminal justice system. Law enforcement generally deals with 4th and 5th amendment aspects of due process and the court system deals with the 6th and 8th amendments. Different areas of the system require different fixes.

To your last point, I never said anything about easy fixes. I said they wouldn't happen overnight which is not the same thing.

@benshawks08 Now you're deviating away from police into the court system which is a separate issue that needs work and that's quite frankly a much simpler fix than the law enforcement issue. Judges at that level are usually either elected or appointed positions which means politics interfering with the justice system. Two things fix that issue quite easily. Judges are appointed based on merit because it's not their job to interpret laws at that level, that's for higher levels to decide after appeals are made. Second thing is term limits for judges. Judges get 5 years on the bench then they return to their legal practice.

@Marco said in 2021 Recruiting:

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Recruiting:

@Marco said in 2021 Recruiting:

Chet Holmgren, do we have a chance? Is he even going to play college ball? Needs to put on weight, but the guy never stops going.

Negative. Senior Dave all the way in 21-22.

I hope we have Dave for four years.

Dave doesn't have an NBA style game, he'll be giving a senior night speech in 2022 before heading overseas for his pro career.

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@Texas-Hawk-10 So how much time is enough time for Black people to live in fear of the police? How long should they shoulder a disproportionate weight of bad policies that negatively impact the community?

I too have worked at a school under bad leadership and all seen good leadership but your post about your situation shows how far we all still have to go. If you are trying to get somewhere, do you take 4 small steps and then measure how far you are from your goal now?

It hurts me to see your willingness to classify a neighborhood in need as “gunspoint” and then resent them “coming to [your] school.”

And to address the ACLU tweet, you agree education has been long ignored and underfunded by both parties. Where do you think that funding has gone? What is one group both democratic and republican mayors and council groups continually add funding for? Hmm... Of only such a group existed.

So how much time is enough time for Black people to live in fear of the police? How long should they shoulder a disproportionate weight of bad policies that negatively impact the community?

Not the same question that I addressed. The change itself needed to happen much more recently than 2 years ago, but since there's no time machine to go back and address that issue, you have to start addressing them today. Minneapolis City Council's own statement suggests those changes didn't begin until 2 years ago when new policies and procedures were put into place. 2 years is nowhere near enough time to determine if those changes have had any meaningful positive effect. Instead, the city council decided to nuke everything and did so without a plan moving forward. That's bad leadership.

I too have worked at a school under bad leadership and all seen good leadership but your post about your situation shows how far we all still have to go. If you are trying to get somewhere, do you take 4 small steps and then measure how far you are from your goal now?

Yes, you take those small steps forward, evaluate what's working and what still needs to be improved on and keep moving forward. You don't backtrack just because you don't go from a standstill to full on spring immediately.

It hurts me to see your willingness to classify a neighborhood in need as “gunspoint” and then resent them “coming to [your] school.”

I don't resent those kids being zoned to my school. They were zoned to our school despite 3 other schools in the district being closer to that neighborhood because we were one of the top performer schools in the district and they were their previous school was the lowest performing. My issue was with the principal who end up being completely unprepared for that change in demographics and didn't do her homework and then didn't give any plans the leadership team at my school came up with enough time to work.

And to address the ACLU tweet, you agree education has been long ignored and underfunded by both parties. Where do you think that funding has gone? What is one group both democratic and republican mayors and council groups continually add funding for? Hmm... Of only such a group existed.

Considering that funding for education and police come from two different levels of government, that fact kind of ruins the story you're trying to create. School districts are funded at the state level while police departments are typically funded at the local level of government. The decrease in funding of public education isn't going where you're trying to imply it's going.

Properly fixing these systemic issues will never happen as quickly as anybody wants them to happen. That's the first thing people need to realize. Second thing is that these issues weren't created overnight and therefore will not be solved overnight either. You don't fix 350 years of legalized racism in 50 years. This issue is a marathon, not a sprint. Leaders from different groups with differing ideas need to come together to have discussions about applicable solutions that are achievable. The reason you have to have representatives from all sides involved because it gives ownership to all parties involved and gives them incentive to make these changes happen.

What's happening in Minneapolis and other places that are calling to defund police is that cry is pretty much only coming from one side, the far left. Even most moderates on the left are against this idea of defunding police departments. All that's going to come from what the Minneapolis City Council is doing is resentment and resistance from the right and moderate left because the city council is giving them little reason to want to see a new plan succeed because they no input into the new ideas.

They're doing exactly to the right what has been happening to the black community for generations and that's silencing their voices. Most BLM supporters aren't anti-white, they just want their voices heard and respected as well along with white people. We know what silencing an influential groups voice does because we're seeing it right now with these protests and riots and the left trying to silence the voice of the right isn't going to end well for anyone in Minneapolis.

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

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All that tweet says to me is how much education in this country has been devalued over the years by both parties.

@benshawks08 The Minneapolis City Council's own words on the matter are they don't have a plan in place on how replace Minneapolis PD. They also said that the reforms put in place 2 years ago aren't changing things fast enough for their liking. No fcking sht on that one!!! You don't fix decades worth of issues in two years. People have to be trained on new procedures, that takes time. New policies have to be given time measure their effectiveness with those who have been trained in those policies. They listened to people who are being emotional and not rational about a situation and made a decision that's not based in logic, they made an emotional based decision without a plan in place to address the issues their decision will cause.

I have two personal stories of why what the Minneapolis City Council is doing is going to end up an absolute sh*tshow for them. The first one is the old principal at my school. A big percentage of students at the school I work come from one of the roughest neighborhoods in Houston (Greenpoint, aka Gunspoint for anyone familiar with Houston) so these are kids that don't get much discipline at home and are usually major behavior issues at school. So this principal was desperate to get these kids behavior under control because we were one of the top scoring schools in the district prior to the rezoning that brought Greenpoint kids to my school. Our principal tried a bunch of different programs to help with discipline, but when there weren't immediate results, she would abandon that idea to try something else. Nothing she did had any meaningful effect because she didn't give anything time to work before declaring it a failure. Before she was principal, and before I got there, it was common that my school might have less than 5 openings a year (mostly retirements and upward promotions), there were actually some years where there were no openings. The year I got hired, there was about a 60% turnover in the staff all because of how bad a leader the principal was because she never either didn't have a plan for something or didn't give a plan enough time to determine it's effectiveness. The only reason I'm still at the school is so I can finish up my 5th year at a Title 1 school and get the rest of my student loans forgiven. If it wasn't for that, I would've been gone after year 1 or 2 due to terrible leadership.

I see the same thing happening in Minneapolis. There were tangible and measurable steps taken to reform their police department to address issues, but we're not given a chance to be successful and are being abandoned without a plan going forward that they're going to basically be coming up with on the fly. That's a recipe for disaster for Minneapolis and they will probably become the poster child city for how not to handle police reform.

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@Texas-Hawk-10 You are also completely missing the point. Defunding the police means reimagining the way our society works so that just maybe the person closest and most ready to handle a medical emergency is NOT an armed law enforcement officer.

I'm not missing that point, I just don't respect it because the plan is to defund without a plan in place to replace police is dumb. Considering who the representative of Minneapolis is and what her political beliefs are (socialist/communist leaning), I have even less respect for what she's probably going to end up trying to propose because I strongly disagree with her political beliefs and how law enforcement looks in countries with those political systems.

Fixing 350 years of legalized racism in this country isn't an overnight fix which is what many are demanding and it's not realistic and any solutions that made by strictly partisan groups will have zero chance at long term success because the other side will ways be resentful and trying to prove that solution won't work. Just look at Obamacare, it was crafted pretty much exclusively by the left with little to no input from politicians on the right. What happened when the right gained control of Congress? They started working to dismantle Obamacare because they largely had no input on it when it was created.

The only way to create lasting and permanent change in law enforcement is to get political leaders from both parties, law enforcement leaders from different parts of the country, and leaders from black communities together and talking to one another to come up with solutions that will have a lasting impact on the issue of law enforcement. What Minneapolis is trying to do will end up being an absolute failure.

@benshawks08 You just completely missed the point. If a police officer, regardless if they're armed or not, has the basic medical training to help in a situation like that, FYI they do, why would they not be the first ones on scene if they are closer than anyone else to give help?

Your position is delaying medical care to someone who needs it and could needlessly result in a person's death when they could've been helped by someone going into the situation knows it's a medical issue that can assist until better trained professionals can take over.

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@kjayhawks I’d encourage you to read more about what the defund the police movement is really asking for. Currently, police respond to way too many types of emergencies. Someone struggling with mental health, police. Today APD tweeted that they responded to a hand gliding crash. Surely that should have been EMS. Why would that situation need someone with a gun and a license to use force? Most burglaries/assaults and crimes in general aren’t interrupted by the police but instead investigated by them after the fact. And the clearance rates of those cases is laughable. You obviously don’t have to agree with disbanding the police but it would help if before you dismiss the idea you take a look at where it comes from.

Also, jogging while black is not trespassing. But good to know where you stand on that.

Why would police respond to a hang gliding accident is because they do have first aid and basic medical training that can help stabilize a victim while paramedics/EMS make their way to a scene. Because police are out patrolling an area, they are usually closer to scenes like that than paramedics are. They can also radio to dispatchers if there are any special needs or circumstances the paramedics need to prepare for, if fire and rescue is needed with jaws of life and stuff like that.

Minneapolis City Council has apparently voted to dismantle the Minneapolis PD with a big enough majority that it cannot be vetoed. https://theappeal.org/minneapolis-city-council-members-announce-intent-to-disband-the-police-department-invest-in-proven-community-led-public-safety/ ↗

I'm sure the debates about this nationally will will be calm and respectful, lol!

@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU reaches $2.55 million settlement with former football coach David Beaty:

Man, we were foolish! Unless there's something I don't know, this is an awful look!

The violations under Beaty are included in the NCAA's NOA against Kansas. Had this gone to trial, the depositions and testimonies in that trial could have been used against KU. One of the witnesses that had been subpoenaed was TJ Gassnola which have opened up his deposition from the Adidas investigation for use in this trial.

Jeff Long is a terrible AD that just wasted millions of dollars and hurt KU's public image even further to end up paying Beaty about $500k less than his what his original buyout was. The money wasted on this lawsuit could've been out to much better use buying out Brandon Schneider and Ritch Price from their contracts.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t give a crap about party at the local level because there I can support who ever fits with my ideals. But at the national and state level my goal has been to get rid of trump at just about all costs and vote out Cornyn and Cruz for their unwavering support for him (on top of their policies I couldn’t disagree with more). I Give my support to anyone I find who fits my ideals but won’t waste my vote when i at least agree with more of one party’s stance when compared to the other. Is Biden a perfect candidate, far from it. Is he better than trump? It’s not even close.

Again, voting for the lesser of two evils is the bullshit mindset that got Trump elected in 2016 since he was viewed by a lot of people as the lesser of two evils between himself and Hilary.

Gary2016

Gary Johnson was my vote as well in 2016. Need to go do my homework on their potential candidates this year in next few weeks.