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this blows! • Apr 04, 2017 12:54 PM

As i sat there and saw the first half of a terrible championship game, kept on thinking how we would have easily beat either of these 2 teams. So far, i was able to dissociate myself from our loss to Oregon and not let it get to me. but seeing the game last night, can't help but see how we lost our golden chance. KU shit its bed when it mattered.

I really thought this was our year- i haven't felt like that ever...even in 2008 i didn't think we would win it all and we did..but this year was it. We were playing the elite 8 in our backyard and had a guaranteed ticket to the final 4 but Instead the BIG 12 screwed us over again.

KU was supposed to be battle tested. We had enough close come from behind victories against "good teams", but we choked and why? this wasn't on Self, he employed the same game plan he as all season and it worked for him all season, so why not? Again, the problem here is the vastly overrated big 12. Self's game plan worked perfectly against Big 12 teams, but outside of that, it wasn't.

BIG 12 sucks. KU needs to leave the BIG 12. while we are in the BIG 12, we will continue to extend the meaningless streak and will not win a championship.

if the tourney was engineered, UNC would be in our bracket and would be playing @ home like us.

If we are making these claims, the claim can be made that the BIG 12 is engineered to give KU its streak.

Haters, wanna challenge our Conference? • Mar 03, 2017 05:05 PM

@DCHawker said:

@jaybate-1.0 Come on 'Bate - I know you can do better than that. I'm counting on you. You have a fascinating hypothesis that KU's and the B12's underperformance is the result of whistle and seeding asymmetry. You may well be on to something. But, don't give us verbiage - give us some facts. I'm sure the truth - the data - is out there to support your hypothesis. Do some spade work - go find it - I'm counting on you!!!

I'm sure the evidence will show that during the tournament (in contrast to the non-conference season, of course), KU and B12 teams have consistently had fewer free throw attempts than their opponents - esp. when those opponents are from the Eastern time zone or wear a certain shoe brand. I'll bet you will find that KU and B12 have consistently had to travel further to tournament sites than teams in other conferences - their hotels have probably been further away from the arena, as well - contributing to tire legs and poor shooting percentages from deep. I'm sure you can do a regression analysis to show that the B12 teams have been consistently under-seeded relative to their statistical metrics meaning that they've had to face tougher teams. I'm highly confident that you will find that the B12's poor W-L in the tournament is indeed highly asymmetric - they have a winning record against small TV market teams, but a losing record against major TV market teams - esp. those in the Eastern time zone.

I realize my explanation of inferior talent - based on NBA performance - is sadly lame and is as much a symptom as it is cause. You definitely have the more compelling hypothesis - so I'm counting on you to find the data that supports - I know it's out there - go find it 'Bate!!!! You can do this....

+10000

Haters, wanna challenge our Conference? • Mar 02, 2017 01:40 PM

@jayballer54 said:

Just some tidbits for the haters. - -one's who question the legit of our conference, can't dent facts. - -numbers don't lie.

Every team in the Big 12 has EITHER been ranked or received votes in the top 25 this year.
how tough is this league? - -70% of the games have been decided by 10 pts or less.
The Avg win margin of the league is 7.9 for the year - - nothing easy.
Toughness? - -Only conference every team among the top 76 BPI.
.797 Non Con % - - best in Nation
Non Con Toughness ? - -Big 12 has .575 win % -versus ACC, Big East , Big 10 , Pac 12 , Sec , the 8th straight year of 500 vs Nations top conferences.
Big 12 - -102-26 Non Con - - - 17 of those losses by single digits- - -4 in OT.
Big 12 has the most semi finalists for Neismith -- in the Nation 3
now - -ANY QUESTIONS? - -the only thing I WILL say, now we ( the big 12 ) has to go out and prove ourselves in the NCAA'S - -make that sit down and shut up statement. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Speaking of facts....each year some dumba$$ posts this exact same post only to see BIG 12 shit its pants during the tourney followed by a landslide of posts from everyone here about how they knew to begin with big 12 was weak, etc, etc.

As always, KU is the saving grace and for reason this season, is making all the other big 12 teams look a lot better.

Waco Tribune News • Feb 22, 2017 06:13 PM

I guess i'm the minority here when i believe there's only one goal in bball...national championship and for a team such as KU's stature, winning a national championship isn't unrealistic.

As MJ, Phil Jackson, Kobe, Greg Popovich and other "winners" have said...having the best record, conference championships, etc. are all moral victories. There is only one prize- the ultimate prize - the championship. Every year we don't win the championship is essentially a failure IMO.

I saw this post on this messageboard or on the Phog, but is clearly summarizes my point. Once the Trae young announcement was done, the poster posted "We will still win the BIG 12 without him". No mention of national championship. All we care about is the BIG 12, the streak and how we are better thank KSU, ISU, WVU, Baylor. It as though winning the BIG 12 is the ultimate prize and the national championship will just be the cherry on top when it should be the other way around.

I don't see the fire in the eyes of KU fans like i did before for winning national championships.

Waco Tribune News • Feb 21, 2017 01:35 PM

oh wow..so many messageboard tough guys here....what do i do? i'm so scared...better keep my comments to myself and bust out the pom poms! God forbid i say anything objective.

Waco Tribune News • Feb 20, 2017 06:27 PM

@REHawk said:

Scott drew has now announced new goals, saying that he and team would really prefer a Final Four or National Championship to a league title.
New and revised goals on the Bear horizons.

i'm glad at lease someone does. The entire KU fanbase and the coaching staff all seem to only care about is the BIG 12 championship and streak. Seriously, the celebrations the last few wins have been similar to 2008 title. i'm glad we won, but cmon...its baylor and WVU.

Wins like these win championships • Feb 13, 2017 01:42 PM

@chriz said:

You know Self is happy about this one. Yeah, there's stuff he will wish would've gone better, but with your star PG with the flu, the refs calling more phantom calls, Tech playing out of their minds, and the fans going crazy, this is a fantastic win for KU.

Other Big XII teams lose these games. Not the Jayhawks. They win. And they win championships.

How the hell is this a fantastic win? Win against UK are what wins championships! We barely beat Ksuck and we almost let Ttech...that's right..TTech come back and beat us..a tech team that won't even make the tourney let alone the NIT. If we play like this, we won't get past the first weekend. Even with Frank Mason out, we have enough firepower to beat Tech on their home court. Self knows all the big 12 teams inside out and can beat em without preparation either. Just think if the same situation occurs during the tourney against a coach self isn't familiar with...we will get hosed.

We're celebrating moral victories, consistently complaining about the refs, and continuously patting ourselves on the back for things we are supposed to do...its sound more and more like a Ksu message board here.

Josh Jackson vs Andrew Wiggins • Feb 08, 2017 06:12 PM

Andrew wiggins is, in the words of weezy, "softer than Roseanne's son"

the sad part is, both times we played KSU, we barely beat them. Seriously...we should be stomping them by 20 regardless of home court or not. Don't give me BS like they are legit and are tough at home.

Its a big concern if we can barely beat KSU, how will we fare in the tourney.

Josh Jackson • Feb 03, 2017 05:03 PM

Doods a stud...nuff said! he's the anti-wiggins and i predict he will deliver us to the promise land in April.

Kentucky Trying to Sabotage our RPI • Feb 03, 2017 05:00 PM

@BShark said:

@elpoyo

I've never been positive about this year's ISU. They were decent under Hoi.

Not you..just making a general statement about how much our fanbase fluctuates on their views (just like any other fan base)..bu then they claim they aren't like other fan bases..lol

Kentucky Trying to Sabotage our RPI • Feb 03, 2017 01:47 PM

@BShark said:

@kjayhawks said:

WVU spanking ISU in Ames up 12 with ball and 4 to go.

I love seeing ISU suck.

LMAO! its just hilarious to see how we build up ISU as a "tough" contender in the "strong" big 12 and a legit team at times and then tear them down the other times.

Wiggins hits game winner! • Jan 25, 2017 01:51 PM

abt time he grew a pair! now only if he could do this consistently

Read kusports • Jan 25, 2017 01:49 PM

sigh....didn't take long for mccarthy hall to turn into jayhawk towers..

OU pulls out the upset!!!! • Jan 19, 2017 01:55 PM

Why is this even news? Baylor and WVU are not really good teams. Each year, they start out like they are title contenders and fizzle out. I said it a million times and will continue to say it.....BIG 12 outside of KU is garbage! For anyone to give any importance to any of these teams from a relevancy perspective is just straight up nonsensical.

Sure, i can see the need for us to talk up these teams since they make us look better and they are in our conference, but we all know deep down inside...Baylor, WVU are no better than KSU, TCU , etc. Its like KU is the one normal kid playing against bunch of handicapped kids.! Sure you want the handicapped kids to feel like they mean something and it looks good on you that they succeed, but at the end of the day...there is no way they are going to beat you. All you can do is talk them up because of self pity and that they make you look better and not the jerk that is beating up on the handicapped!

And that's not even the worst part...We will celebrate the continuation of our Big 12 streak over these overhyped yet clearly below par teams and use it to stake our claim as a blue blood! Just another reason why the streak is losing its importance!

Embiid can do it all • Jan 16, 2017 02:14 PM

Embiid is the bomb! so proud of him.

finally, we have an all star and a player who's high profile and getting a lot of coverage. :clap:

Wiggins versus Embiid • Jan 12, 2017 06:29 PM

Embiid hands down!

Jayhawk Mountain • Jan 11, 2017 05:59 PM

@Crimsonorblue22 said:

@drgnslayr because he is the worst press breaking coach. All his strength is in bigs, doesn't match up well.

drew is one of the worst coaches period! its just surprising everyone's on the baylor bandwagon early that they are legit and big 12 has actual contenders. BIG 12 (- KU) IS GARBAGE!!!!! we provide this every year this year will be the same.

Joel Embiid at it again • Jan 04, 2017 03:28 PM

@BeddieKU23 said:

Ahh the troll returns. Wiggins really pissed in his wheaties

Embiid gave him a Xmas card

damn straight! Wiggins single handedly derailed our championship hopes by losing to Stanford? seriously? The loss was squarely on him and self.

Joel Embiid at it again • Jan 04, 2017 02:32 PM

@mayjay said:

@elpoyo. Still trolling on Wiggins? At least he has risen to a level of accomplishment from which downward is possible.

honestly, now that you think about it, all his hype came from when he was in high school. As soon as he got in to college and NBA, he has been sub-par with a few good games - but all players have those. It we had to do it over again, and to be accurate, he's nothing more than an average player based on his current performance. hopefully it changes, but my money is on that he won't and will continue towards path of mediocrity and the sad part it, he will be content with it.

Joel Embiid at it again • Jan 04, 2017 02:30 PM

@Statmachine said:

Joel Embiid declares Sixers ‘undefeated in 2017’ after last-second win over Timberwolves

Joel Embiid
✔ ‎@JoelEmbiid

Undefeated in 2017 #TheProcess

LMFAO

Joel for president. he's that good

Joel Embiid at it again • Jan 04, 2017 01:30 PM

And wiggins is not at it again! 76ers beat timberwolves

Embiid with 25 pts and Wiggins agian- just being wiggins with 8 points. Its only a matter of time till he's traded. He's trending downwards.

Sunflower Slaughter Game Thread • Jan 04, 2017 01:28 PM

@JayHawkFanToo said:

Are you on drugs? The Big 12 is ranked the #1 conference, 3 of its teams are ranked in the top 5 by most rankings and one of those lost today, 8 out of 10 teams are ranked in the top 36 and the bottom 2 are in the top 70. You can call the Big 12 many names but crappy is not one of them. From top to bottom the Big 12 is the strongest conference in college bball.

No, are you on drugs? each and every year, some nuts come out and declare big 12 the #1 conference and each and every year, big 12 fizzle's out. This year will be the same. Baylor and WVU won't even make it past the first round and let see if KSU even makes it.

I'm not sure you all know this but Self is simply trolling NCAA here. We are clearly light years ahead of all the teams in the big 12 and even if you take either one of our guards away, we still should beat TCU and KSU by 20+. Bill is doing this on purpose...he's trying to get the big 12 to look better so it help's KU. that has got to be it. Given our roster - #1 recruits, burger boys, seasoned guards....there is no way we should be winning by only 2 on a travel at home against a really crappy KSU team. I mean really- how many of you can even name more than 2 ksu players prior to tonight.

Stinkface 2.o? • Dec 19, 2016 06:33 PM

don't forget wiggins! !Capture.JPG ↗

Wiggins • Dec 19, 2016 01:47 AM

Did any one catch the rockets vs timberwolves game this weekend? Wiggins had multiple opportunities to win the game, but just looked lost....shades of Stanford. Harden abused him in OT... Someone needs to tell him he ain't in the big 12 anymore. Its infuriating...the lack of his "motor"...imagine what could have been if he only had even 1% of alpha male personality.

Withey needs help • Dec 14, 2016 06:04 PM

looks soft....how abt "Wiggins"?

ISU Upset as well as Saint Mary's • Dec 09, 2016 01:51 PM

ISU like the rest of B12 is a fraud! Even if they make it to the tourney, will get tossed in the first round just like Baylor. B12 is garbage with KU being the single saving grace.

How Important really? • Dec 07, 2016 02:25 PM

@jayballer54 said:

I tell you what being ranked # 1 in the season WILL do: - - what it does is put even a bigger bulls eye on our chest for opponents - -gives them more motivation as if they need it when they play us. For a lot of these teams when they play against us, a lot of these teams don't make the NCAA'S . - -we are their NCAA game, how many teams circle their schedule against us as their game of the year, cause we have Kansas written on the uniform.

Can you imgaine if MJ or Kobe or Lebron thought like that..they would not have accomplished as much. This is loser talk. Always go for #1...for anyone to justify otherwise doesn't deserve to be a fan. We, as fans, should expect our team to be the best and they need to play at that level.

Embiid v Wiggins • Nov 18, 2016 01:09 PM

Dang! Towns straight up clowned Embiid all night....clearly he needs a lot more work.

Wiggins • Nov 14, 2016 06:00 PM

@wissox said:

47 point outburst against the Lakers!

yep..just look at the impact wiggins is having! KU's signing studs left and right...NOT!

Good lord, kief!!! • Jan 04, 2016 05:41 PM

Someone just needs to take him out back and put him out....he's caused enough embarrassment! He needs to grow a pair

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14499523/phoenix-suns-owner-robert-sarver-rails-markieff-morris-millennial-culture ↗

Chaundee Brown/ Andrew Jones • Dec 18, 2015 01:16 PM

@JayHawkFanToo said:

@DoubleDD

I believe Wiggins needed a place where to hone his skill rather than just be thrown into the fray and Coach Self is a better teacher than Calipari.

Totally disagree! Take of the KU homer glasses and you can clearly see Wiggins only gave 50% effort. He had one foot out the door already when he was @ KU. Self even said Wiggins needs to be more aggressive. and even in his interview after the Stanford loss, he was emotionless and just kept on saying "we lost. it was my fault. i should have done more...etc" almost as if he was reading from a script.

Wiggins didn't really develop any new skills at KU...he definitely has in the NBA becuase he has upped his game, but everything I saw Wiggins do was nothing short of expected when he was supposed to bring in the wow factor like Anthony Davis.

If there was no 1 yr rule, do you really think Wiggins would have come to KU? a big Hell No. He made the most logical choice- where can i go to school, which is a blue blood, where i will get playing time and won't get into trouble and KU was the fit.

Sadly, Michael Beasly showed more school pride than Wiggins.

Chaundee Brown/ Andrew Jones • Dec 15, 2015 05:55 PM

The deal wiht Bolden is he don't care what school he goes to. He just wants to go somewhere where he gets playing time and its a blueblood ( I call this the Wiggins principle).

If he really liked a school, he would have committed by now.

Given the state we are in, we don't really have options but if we did- i'd say skip out on these players. They only have one thing on their mind- NBA and never really get emotionally attached to the school. These type of players will help dominate the Big 12, but fizzle out in the tournament.

KU bb • Nov 30, 2015 06:04 PM

@DinarHawk said:

@drgnslayr He will be invaluable for our guards, hopefully similar to how Danny was.

except its Danny Manning who is a known commodity vs Aaron miles who outside of KU, is pretty much unknown. Don't get me wrong- i think Aaron will help, but comparing him to Danny is a mistake. He's not going to be able to do for our guards what Danny did for our bigs.

Glad These D-bags Left The B12! • Nov 10, 2015 06:05 PM

@ralster said:

What has bothered me the most about this racial protest /anti-police vibe we have been seeing lately...and the MU students did the same damn thing...linking their protests to the Ferguson incident.

By all accts, that kid in Ferguson went towards the police who wanted to question him, and actually dove into the police car to assault the officer. Why? Because he was guilty of the crime they were questioning him about.

I have no problem calling that Ferguson kid astonishingly stupid, I mean who wrestles with an armed police officer? What does any sane adult in this country think could happen in that scenario?

Any police shooting must be investigated factually, not emotionally.

The MOMENT those students said "Ferguson", and expected administrative officials to say something in favor, they LOST credibility.

There are improper police shootings, just as there are justified police shootings. Each individual case must be analyzed separately.

You know whose "lives matter"? To each human looking at himself in the mirror, his life should matter the most, to himself first & foremost. If that Ferguson kid valued his own life, he would have NEVER dove headfirst into a police car trying to fight with an armed officer. He cheapened and demeaned his own life, plain and simple.

And how perverse is the country getting that in some public forum, one of the candidates said "ALL lives matter"...and some of the audience jeered at him. How was he wrong? Its no joke--> its simply the sensationalized deconstruct of this society, piece by piece. If there are no absolutes (like an absolute "no-no"), then there is less societal framework, and individuals lose their frame of reference.

People have come full circle & are now "questioning" or challenging some of society's most basic tenets: law and order. What does civilization mean? It doesnt mean you protest some perceived injustice so violently that it becomes an effin riot full of looting & burning, right? What if the store owners were on hand with their 12ga & AR15s to defend themselves & their property? I shudder at the thought.

Do we really want every Joe Blow packing a pistol? What would the rate of unjustified shootings do then?

This civilization is looking doomed. America is in decline, without question. Open class warfare. Someone tell those poor, utterly uneducated Guatemalans that are flooding us...they coming for nothing.

Putin has us figured, we are rotting from within. A superpower only in the historical sense.

+10000

@wissoxfan83 said:

Believe me when I say this is not a slam against Skal Labwhatever, but..... A kid gets a post Haiti earthquake ticket to the United States and has a "handler" set up a fake high school so he can play his senior year, and the NCAA says he's ok, but they can't say a young man who apparently is fluent in four languages is eligible? I know we don't know all the facts, but did UK/$ECnetwork/E$PN throw their influen$e around $o $kal could play hoop$ thi$ $ea$on?

wow..you truly must be a mizzou fan or from the area.

Perspective On Recruiting.... • Oct 21, 2015 04:45 PM

@justanotherfan said:

@ralster

Self has shown that he needs a certain type of team. He has that type of team this year, so the pressure is on to get it done because there is no excuse for an early flame out this time.

I wish this were true, but guess what- the moment Self wins #12...no one @ KU is going to care how we finish the tournament. Even if we flame out in the 2nd round again, KU fans and admins will look at it as a success because we beat big bad big 12 and how even an ncaa championship doesn't compare to 12 straight.

I've said this over and over again- as long as we care more about the streak and not the NCAA championship, don't expect much to change.

It sickens me!

Perspective On Recruiting.... • Oct 21, 2015 04:12 PM

@drgnslayr said:

And for being such an elite program, with a history of helping put bigs in the league,

I think we need to move past just putting bigs in the league. once the bigs get to the NBA, they aren't doing sh!t..just riding the pine. So why would a big come to KU unless there's no room at UK or Duke?

IMO, when Danny left, it hurt us big time. Embiid was supposed to be the answer, but don't think thats a feasible option any more. even Cliff experiment is over.

all these scenarios definitely don't help us

There is hope for the college game played by college kids when a team like Wisc can beat KY.

Agreed, but guess what- no big time recruits are running for Wisc and its clearly, self isn't taking that path.

Interesting, sad Cliff read • Oct 12, 2015 04:50 PM

I know i'll get vilified for it, but i'm just surprised (well not really) how no one is pointing the finger at self? Cliff, through his handlers, messed up but prior to that, it was on self for not developing cliff more.

Self has to figure out his players, try to motivate them and help develop their game. To simply say Cliff was dumb and just couldn't pick the game is bs. equally at fault is self who didn't fully figure out Cliff's other skill sets like his perimeter jump shot. Self tends to one-dimensionalize his players and it makes sense if this approach is being successful, but when it stops yielding results, time to change too.

sometimes, people on this board get so blinded with love for self, they automatically bash whoever says anything that's even remotely questioning or criticizing self.

Self is a great coach, but he has his flaws too.

Poor SMU • Sep 30, 2015 12:12 PM

@Lulufulu said:

Does this mean Larry is just as slimy as Cal is? After all he left KU and UCLA after penalties were handed out. Presumably he will do the same at SMU.

Lets not go down that road. Last thing we need is to have an asterisk next to the 88 championship.

Jeff Withy's Dinner Date • Sep 30, 2015 12:10 PM

when you start becoming irrelevant, have to find other ways to stay in the media/news. Good for Jeff!

one of my fav hawks- felt he underachieved in the NBA, but then it struck me- this is the same dude that peaked in the BIG 12. and that ain't going to translate well in the NBA

JACQUE VAUGHN • Sep 22, 2015 12:16 PM

@jaybate-1.0 said:

@blackmild33

The KU network remains vital.

what network are you talking about? lol..and what do you mean by vital? Vaughn is doing a player personnel role..that is no where close to being a vital role. it basically means, he had it good with the coaching staff during his time there and they made a role for him since we probably called in a favor. Vaugh was a pretty good college bball player, but no where close to that in the NBA. don't even know where he would rank among NBA PGs.

@HighEliteMajor said:

@Hawk8086 I do. I like @nuleafjhawk's video link. If a coach appears calm, handles stressful situations like other situations, and projects confidence -- that impacts the team. Great story about Joe Montana I heard again the other day. In the Super Bowl against the Bengals (2nd time against them), SF was down, 2 minutes left. Montana comes to the huddle and points out John Candy in the stands to his teammates. Players in the huddle said that was exactly what they needed to relax.

@drgnslayr "smearing testosterone cream on their nuts"? I wouldn't try it, I hear they explode.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Well, we live on a different planet. You may value simply getting to the tournament. You may value high tourney seeds. And you may value regular season wins. That may get you all jazzed. Not me. UConn has won four national titles starting in 1999. Your "boom or bust" comment is illogical and near ignorance levels (not trying to be insulting, but did you even look at their tourney results?).

Including 1999, when they won their first title, through 2015, UConn has missed the tourney just four times. So they made the tourney 13 times in 17 season.

This shows the lunacy of our attachment to our little streaks. We are going blindly catapult our program history over others simply because we made the tourney four more times in 17 years? Sounds like something an MU fan might do -- we all get a trophy.

UConn, in those 13 appearances, has played 46 tourney games in the same time period that Kansas has played 55. So they didn't make the tourney four times, yet only played 9 less games than Kansas. Thus in those four seasons, we essentially averaged just a little better than getting to the second round.

Ask yourself this -- this is the crunch question. Since 1999, would you trade simply playing nine tourney games for three more national championships?

Since and including 1999, we have played two or less games in the NCAA tourney 7 times. That means we're eliminated the first weekend. Counting UConn four seasons not making the tourney, they had 8 seasons where they weren't playing past the first weekend (4 where they didn't make, and four where they did but were eliminated). What they heck is the difference?

The only real difference is that UConn was put out of its misery earlier. How much misery did we feel each year we were eliminated in the first weekend? Think about that.

Try UConn having 7 elite eights, just as many as KU has. So, again, UConn made four less tourneys, but has the same number of elite eights.

And think about how three -- count 'em three -- additional NCAA title rings would brighten your day, for the rest of your life? You know it, you'd be wearing a t-shirt boasting about it at least once a week. I would.

Instead, I have a "Ten there, done that" t-shirt in the bottom of my drawer (my wife bought me) that I will never wear. The statute of limitations has run on my 2008 tourney t-shirt.

Any argument attempting to promote KU's hoops record over UConn since and including 1999, or in the last 15 years, is diluting and cheapening the very basis of why Kansas plays the game.

Post of the Year!

Ku mascot being violated. • Sep 08, 2015 01:14 PM

@JayHawkFanToo said:

hat does Jayhawk have to do with a Star Trek themed day at K-State?

Having read at least dozen write ups on the subject, I believe it was at least partly premeditated and they knew what they were doing. they just did not anticipate the back lash that resulted from the presentation. At any other school the band director would be gone. A really black eye for the State as a whole. Frankly, this more of thing I would expect the antlers at MU would do, but I just did not expect something like this from KSU; I imagine Bill Snyder is not happy.

lol...everyone on here needs to chill. All year long we berate KSU jerks and finally, when they do what they are expected to do, we get mad? seriously you guys...we're surrounded by KSU, MU, ISU, WSU - WHAT THE F DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

i would put Florida as my top because they did what is extremely hard to do- repeat! Winning one title is hard, winning multiple titles (not back to back) is even harder, and winning back to back titles is, IMO, the hardest thing to do.

just solely on this, i would give Florida #1. spot.

HUDY'S IN CHARGE NOW. • Sep 01, 2015 05:44 PM

@Lulufulu said:

@MoonwalkMafia @elpoyo I totally disagree guys. Of course I cant speak for every KU fan but for my self, my view is two fold.

If the streak reaches 12 this year and 13 next year, thats just bananas!

cept' it ain't doing jack shit for our recruiting. no recruit comes to KU saying "wow..look at the streak". NCs is all that matter. We can continue to be a big fish in the little BIG12 pond, or we can go out and try to become more relevant and hang with duke and uk.

Not to mention the apparent refereeing favoritism that is painfully evident when refs swallow their whistles every time ( seemingly ) that KU gets fouled intentionally. Was any whistle blown when Perry got his nose bashed in? Dont think so. Ok, so thats not an NCAA game but still, you get my point I hope.

Was a whistle blown when BG bashed Niang's head in causing it to bleed? I can't imagine you being all up in arms about that? We all think our players get called for fouls intentionally. to say stuff this like and why it only happens to KU is totally bush league.

HUDY'S IN CHARGE NOW. • Aug 25, 2015 08:44 PM

@nuleafjhawk said:

@elpoyo "why O’why do KU fans still keep on using other BIG12 teams as a benchmark for greatness."

Saying that West Virginia can run is using them as a benchmark for greatness? LOL.

If you're trying to be funny, keep it up, because that's hilarious. If you're being serious you may want to think about things a little more before hitting "enter".

Maybe a more appropriate moniker would be "el descontento".

internet messageboard tough guy..i've heard of your types before.

HUDY'S IN CHARGE NOW. • Aug 25, 2015 08:05 PM

@wrwlumpy said:

very year, someone wants us to forget about winning the Conference saying that it doesn’t matter, or where we get seeded doesn’t matter. Is there a strategy to losing certain games to assure us of a National Championship. Why not enjoy the ride and forget about being a permanent “Second Guesser.”

Nothing is wrong with that you said above. all i'm saying is, we're much better than thumping our chests when comparing ourselves to the rest of the little 12. it sickens me when our fans make statements .

instead, why can't we not say "neither duke or UK will have our depth"..

Also, there is a growing sentiment among KU fans that they are simply satisfied with big 12 streak and chalk an early round exit to "oh well- the tournament is too hard to win" or "the tourney doesn't matter...its the streak". I think this is nothing but baloney. Don't see the fire in the fans and the coaching staff that i used to see. It seems as though an early round exit is more probable than a deep tourney run.

I really hope we end the streak soon and focus on the tourney. The streak, while amazing, is fools gold. It doesn't do one bit for our recruiting.

HUDY'S IN CHARGE NOW. • Aug 25, 2015 06:47 PM

@wrwlumpy said:

Maybe West Virginia can run with us, but no one in the Big 12 will have our depth.

Given how the last few years and tourneys have played out, why O'why do KU fans still keep on using other BIG12 teams as a benchmark for greatness.

No one in the Big 12 will have our depth? no kidding....that's like the old chris rock line..you can't be a dad and take pride in saying "i send my kids to school"...

we need to get past the big 12...else we will see #12, and an early round exit again..but if the majority are satisfied with that, then all this is moot.