HighEliteMajor said:
@jayballer73 This football team is so bad, they don't have a basketball player among them. Normore anyone?
did the one from last year graduate?
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HighEliteMajor said:
@wissox I know it seems like an injustice. I think the second season suspension is over the top. But would the rules be worth anything if a kid could escape sanction when a person he involved in recruiting accepted money on his behalf? That would be free pass. No perfect solution.
ya it's the 2nd full year that seems like an over the top injustice to me
Hawk8086 said:
@jayballer73 If the belief is that neither Doke nor Dedric are coming back...that would seem to work in our favor for getting Hurt...he slides right in there next to Big Dave.
the thing is now -- this ruling on Silvio couldn't of come at a worse time for us. - -With us not knowing now whether we will be facing more penalties - post ban this next year or what ever might be the straw to push Hurt in another direction - -with us not knowing if we will be put on probation or not - -terrible timing with him coming in this weekend and hearing this news. - -and you can bet these other schools that in the recruiting with him a his finalists - -will be playing this to the hilt against us - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
wissox said:
Got anymore redshirts we can burn?
Maybe we need to get our Football walk on to come back on again lmao
IF he was to leave - -and again that is IF - -this would be the year - -because of the following reasons. - -This whole NCAA/FBI mess - - # 2 - -because of the NCAA PERIOD - - # 3 -- this is the one NBA team that he has been mentioned with quite frequently - -because of the connections - -& # 4 - -the struggles of the team this year - -oh ya then also the possible upcoming sanctions and possible penalities. . - - -ROCK CHALK ALLDAY LONG BABY
KUSTEVE said:
@jayballer73 I think the ACC has huge influence over the NCAA, especially the enforcement division. That way, the largest academic fraud case in history simply goes away, and competitors not in the ACC get the book thrown at them. Or I should say, ACC members that take Nike money. If you're with Adidas, it doesn't matter what conference you're in- you're public enemy number 1. This is a hit job aimed at our program, and aimed at Adidas. I mean...come ON....are they trying to tell us the top 10 recruits in the country which either go to Tucky or Dook take nothing? What a crock of pure shit.
Very True- -yet the sad part of it is that this is not the end. - -Now that they deemed him as ineligible - -you watch we gonna going to more likely then not be stripped of all games he played last year - -possibly stripped of our conference championship - -and from these pieces of crap NCAA possible land us with a post season ban - these idiots know nothing - - Screw - -The NCAA - - AND THE FRICKEN ACC
just means Grimes more time - and time for a reality check make him comprehend that we need him more now then ever more minutes. - - means doubling up for Ochai - -gone from a team with lots of depth to very short of depth now
What the hell - -the Basketball GOD'S are against us for sure
KUSTEVE said:
You want this to quit happening? 1- QUIT recruiting questionable people. 2- DROP ADIDAS. Pick up Nike immediately. Zion has 100 dollar bills coming out of his socks. His mother declared bankruptcy two years ago, and just bought an 800 thousand dollar house. It is on record that KT discussed the "price" for Zion, and these bastards have simply swept it under the rug. Get under the Nike circle of protection- there you can offer players 100k, and nothing happens.
the thing is - -whats sad Silvio is the one being screwed he didn't know about this going on. - -Like they said on the radio this afternoon -- he went on line to finish High School early to come help KU like they said this kid was 17 yrs old - -his fricking handler needs strung up - - he is the screw up - -and Silvio is the one who gets screwed. takes on line classes so he can graduate early and come help us get to the final 4 - -and this is what he get's - -a half of year of College - -a screw job with no lube and a Thank you.
The way to keep this from happening anymore is we just GOT to stay away from these kids that have questionable handlers that are just looking for money - - handouts who have no compassion for the kid
HighEliteMajor said:
You all realize that the NCAA statement said that a Kansas booster was involved? Not just an Adidas guy?
This is really concerning.
And if we absolve a player that involves a third party in his recruitment -- that third party then taking money -- then there are no rules, right?
All that said, why isn't his guardian targeted by the FBI? Or the booster?
And even bigger to me -- if we know Zion, or someone else took money, why are we quiet? Burn it down.
I don't mind rules. I don't mind a reasonable suspension. What I mind is when it is not applied across the board, or when prosecution/investigation targets only a select few.
The obvious better penalty would have been to suspend him this year only.
We should hold our breath ... Here's betting we get a postseason ban in 2019-20, and maybe even forfeiting the final four last season.
And this is part of the reason why I said a while back that there is a reasonable chance that Bill Self is not here next season. This can lead to a coach leaving, for sure. Or, if it's found that Self knew in some way, being forced out.
The NBA is waiting.
it was the same person that gave him the initial money
BeddieKU23 said:
No Silvio got screwed but it's because Kansas basketball must live on. Cant disrupt the money here. Sad sad ruling. All of next year. Go pound sand NCAA. No rules stating thats the penalty, no transparency, no understanding of what they do. They are making examples of kids because that's what they ultimately still control. Pathetic
It's nice to know one way or the other 21 games too late.
All the NCAA is doing is digging it's pathetic little grave even deeper. -I as well as others just can't believe it will be too much longer before schools break away from the NCAA completely.
Like I said you would have to think we just got to work Dave more now don't we - -get him into the mix more and develop him - -not gonna help much this year but got to start sometime and we need some minutes out of him more this year yet. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayhawkcsg said:
But the good thing is that we now know what we have to work with, and Self can adjust the lineup and offense accordingly.
Dunno what he'll do, but at least we can pretend we have a direction and can stick with it.
you would think wouldn't you that they just have to try and get Dave more minutes wouldn't you -- stat to develop him more add that other Big - -got to do something
they are comparing Josh Shelby having to sit out NINE GAMES to this with Silvio - -talking about how unfair - - crazy
of course Jeff Long of course saying the Unniversity said they were shocked by this and will be appealing the decision for a kid that did nothing wrong - - Jeff Goodman said he truly feels and would be shocked if Silvio had any knowledge of this
like these sports announcers said = = =this kid got SCREWED because of his handler receiving the money from this sorry shit - - and also money from booster - said something about Maryland booster - -feel really bad for Silvio
BShark said:
NCAA is pathetic between this and the missouri situation.
Coach Self spoke and said he in all his years has never seen such an unjust ruling and mean spirited group on this kid
SITTING OUT REST OF THIS YR - -BECAUSE guardian receiving 2,500 dollars and then additional money later - - - so Silvio is gone
Well just came out - -Silvio must sit rest of this season AND ALL of next season - - SILVIO GONE
Well I read where we picked up another CB for Hurt yesterday putting us at 79% - -the rest at 7% - but ever since the Ayton debacle I'm always skeptical - -tell they actually commit.
If there could be some way we could manage to get Hurt and be able to lure Stanley - -then maybe be able to salvage this recruiting year. - -Just so much up in the air with who might/will return from the current roster.
Will Doke come back ? - - Grimes come Back ? - -- KJ ? - - - Dedric is GONE I just don't see any way he returns - - lots of unanswered questions at this point = =HUGE weekend = =hope the phog is rockin for Hurt - -hope we play solid in front of Hurt man
If this is true -should we REALLY be surprised when deal with this warm pile of crap that is called the NCAA? - -I'm not. - -I mean we are not an ACC school ESPN darlings - -the NCAA & ESPN almost go hand in hand they both suck ACC butt all year - UNC and their fake classes. - - Silvio got royally screwed in this - -now his handler o the other hand - - ya he might smell - -well if this is true then we got what we wanted - - a decision. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
kjayhawks said:
Three years probation, one year postseason ban in all 3 sports, vacating all games in which the athletes played in, 5% decrease in scholarships, $5,000 fine and a 1% decrease in each sports budget. Fizzou stinks and is too far east too not get big sanctions. I think it's a little rough, especially after UNC got nothing for fake classes. They are appealing the ruling and prob get it lessened.
I agree with you on everything , and ya - -can't stand them - - BUT I do feel it was a little over the top. - -Just goes to show another perfect example of how screwed up the NCAA is. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Boy did the NCAA clobber Missouri with sanctions. - Local broadcasters say NCAA might have gone a little overboard.
It's true they may have - -and ya I can't stand them either but just another case where the NCAA screwed up and made it'self look even worse. - -Like it was brought up - -do we think the NCAA would of laid these kind of penalities on one of their football blue bloods - -say Alabama? - -hell no.
From what I'm hearing reduction of Scholarships - - - post ban I think of a season in foot ball and so on and so on as far as penality - - something about a tutor doing the work for 12 players in baseball - -football - -of course they are appealing - -a lot of talk about UNC - -which I don't blame them - - NCAA making it'self look worse saying OH WELL that was different the kids actually did their work I call BUL SHIT - this organization is so corrupt/crooked time for schools to bust free from these morons. - their favoritism towards their ACC darlings - and like was pointed out - - you wouldn't are do this to any of your football blue bloods - -and no I'm not a Missou - suck up - -what I am is a full fledged NCAA protester - -enough is enough
It was 5 below here this morning and - 19 wind chill. - -Right now it is 7 degrees and wind chill of -5 gonna be another cold night
HighEliteMajor said:
I'm fed up with Grimes' lack of effort.
If you have the game recorded, just watch Grimes every time a shot goes up. It's pathetic.
He is the king of "just standing there." You could watch the first 10 minutes and see what I'm talking about. He .. just .. stands .. there.
One rebound in 20 minutes. Think about that.
Think about this. Agbaji had as many rebounds (7) tonight as Grimes' has had in the last five games combined. Just a quirk? Nope. Grimes five games prior to that? Right, seven rebounds.
I don't understand. Do we demand effort, or don't we?
I wondered ALL dam year what the deal was with Quentin's rebounding effort - -for a kid his size - - pretty sad. - - One bright note -- Dam looks like Obaji is gonna be really good - -trying to find some kind of positive out of this mess.
I mean 1st start even though he has been solid before - -but tonight - -I mean look he had 24 points - - 7 rebounds - - I think they said a couple of steals and a block. - -I would say that is a pretty solid full game debut. - -Like they said just now on post game - - we need a leader - -we have no leader. - - Last year it was Devonte - - - the year before Frank - -we just don't have that true leader - -for one. - -I know more problems then that but yet. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think it looks worse then could be -- like Coach Self said that KU was just going through some things right now that ALOT of the other teams around the Nation have gone through. - -
It's just that we haven't gone through these kind of times very much 0 -- so when it happens it's magnified - -when it does happen - makes some sense - - let's just not make it a every game occurance.
What was suppose to be a major impact for us - - is now become non existent - our INSIDE GAME - - -we came into the Season with D Lawson - - -Doke - - -McCormack even thinking Silvio -- and now this - -did a complete 360 - -we WILL make it through this
Coach just said - just have to play with what we got - - said NOT EVEN A SNIFF - -from the NCAA about Silvio
Let me ask this again - - IN Big 12 play - -how long have we lead toal in these games. -- These other schools are just eating this up to see us this bad -- STILL hard for me to believe that one guy can make that much of a difference.
We was behind for right at 38 minutes out of 40 - -just insane. - -My belief - -not so much about missing ONE player - -my belief ? - thanks for asking - -My belief is a very inconsistent Vick - -an absent Vick - - - -A very under achieving Quentin Grimes - - a - player that is NO THREAT from the outside - - tell me please how many here thought would we would be seeing Marcus getting these kind of Minutes - - -The NCAA still screwing us for the entire season with Silvio - - Silvio is the victim here - -Punish the guardian -- NOT Silvio - - - Then Doke DID get hurt - -these things - - -these are the reason - -NOT cause ONE player gets hurt - -
THIS is what these other schools have been waiting for -- hope they enjoy -- it isn't gonna stay this way long. - - - -Grimes comes back - - -Doke may come back - - -Obaji - will be here - - - -Dotson will be here - -possibly be here - - - Precious may be here - -who knows - - enjoy this while you can BOTTOM FEEDERS - - ENJOY INDEED - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Oh don't even trip - - -there is more to come , say Saturday -- then @K-State the fun is just beginning.
These teams have waited for this for soooo long - - screw them all
Ha has Grimes even played in the 2nd half ?
Woodrow said:
What is Dotson doing?
he is doing about the same thing everyone else is doing - - nothing
Kcmatt7 said:
DanR said:
@tundrahok Hell yes, I'm in "watch the young guys develop" mode
Must be what it feels like to be the fan of another team... I don’t really like it.
me neither and - - - -3 Texas fouls all night long ? - hmmmmmmmm
BShark said:
@tundrahok Awhile ago I mentioned any win is a good win for this team. That's where I am at. I don't expect anything out of the NCAAT. Extending the league streak would be a pleasant shock.
looking more then a pleasant shock at this point - -is this a YMCA moment ? - -mercy I just can't believe how this team looks really lost
Have a question ? - In our conference games only , what would you all say was the percentage of the time we have lead in games ? -It can't be good - -we have played from behind a large majority if I remember right ?
This team just has no flow - -so choppy - -so many inconsistent players. - -Sad to say really other then Dedric which has been pretty consistent , yet now we are seeing what is going to be a trend for the rest of the season - where he is double anytime he touches the ball , there is no one that if I were opposing teams would be scared of anyone - - excluding Obaji - he is going to be a very solid player for us for sure. - -Vick is sad - soooo inconsistent. - -Grimes is just sad talent - -but where is the mentality- -the drive - -the heart?
Don't be surprised guys come tourney time - -It wouldn't totally shock me if we got beat in the 1st game - -not 1st weekend - -I'm talking the 1st game. - - Pretty disappointing considering with all the media talk - - the way we were feeling and thinking at the 1st of the season - - now look where we are. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Sitting here listening to the sports show - -talking about problems for KU , they was asking if Hayes could give Dedric problems - -the response was any athletic big man that could jump gives Dedric problems, 0 - - Talked about when Doke was in they thought that would give more space to work with , yet when he was still on - - that they struggles together - -the he goes out so they think well maybe now he will have more room - -well they now talking about since Garrett in the line up - -teams backing off of him daring him to shoot the ball and doubling down helping on Lawson - -causing problems.
They were asking if UK had given other teams the blue print on how to defend KU because of Garett in the line up how they can back off and help double down low.
Then maybe Coach needs to change and start Ochai - got to be something guys I mean make the defense at least respect that other player. - -Garett is great on the defensive end - -he can drive on the offensive end - -yet if he can hit a jumper? - - make the switch keep the D honest
wissox said:
I've never known KU with a bad coach. I'm not sure what the consensus was about about Ted Owens, but since Larry came we have had 3 hall of fame coaches. Remarkable indeed. Of course some of the others can claim HOF coaches too, but we're pretty spoiled.
Ted was Ok. Seemed he could recruit pretty decent during his time - -just didn't or couldn't Coach to the talent - -of the most recent 4 that I've been around -- Ted - - Larry - - - Roy -- & now Bill - -Ted was lagging in the rear some - -we had some lean years with Ted. - I remember Allen called back then well actually still that but referred to so much more now as the phog - but I remember quite a few empty seats - -being able to walk up on game day hours before the game and buying tickets - -pretty decent one's at that. -- -Just think he just couldn't coach what he had. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Woodrow said:
CJ Moore from the Athletic is saying KU is expecting a answer on Silvio this week.
I was reading from a guy off the LJW where he posted the link - - Seen it also. - -Saying that Silvio 's case was complicated - But the School stated that they ( KU ) - -expects a decision sometime this week and possibly as even as early as today.
Said there had been a lot of talk back and forth but appears the was significant progress made last week. Educated guess is Silvio WILL be in uniform by the time KU host Texas Tech Saturday but also a decent chance he will play at Texas Tuesday, - -Saying we should have a resolution very soon.
I know guys I'll believe it when I see it BUT maybe there is some truth to it -- seems to be quite a bit of smoke coming from different people/places we shall see - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Hawk8086 said:
@jayballer73 And that makes me think that there is a decent chance that they go through their annual down period....
they looked - - -really bad
kjayhawks said:
@Bwag I wasn’t surprised as much that Texas was out coached again but KSU lost to a bad bad team that probably doesn’t win 5 games in the SEC.
K-Straight had a REALLY BAD LOSS
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BigBad Kentucky's not a great shooting team either
exactly what I just said - -their 3pt shooting was not good I think BOTH team shot in the 30's right?
BigBad said:
I said it last game and I'll say it again. Shooting solves the majority of the issues with this team. This is a horrible shooting team.
TRUE STATEMENT - -YET Kentucky wasn't exactly burning down the house either - -pretty good defense over all. - -OH got to share this
Earlier UK fan said that our Veterans giving their young line up problems - -what the hell is that? - -Our veterans ? - -Grimes - -Freshman - - - -Dotson - - Freshman - - -Grimes Soph - - - Mc Cormack - - Freshman - -we giving their young guys problems -- man let me hit that pipe with ya lol
BShark said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
About what I expected missing two bigs and playing on the road with youth. It'll be okay.
SOS PLZ GIVE US SILVIO NCAA
need to make your plea a little stronger Bshark - -think these idiots have theIr Bell tones turned down to mute lmao - - ROCK CHALKALL DAY LONG BABY
Mercy - - I guess I'm missing something here guys. - -Not getting that here but off 2-3 other KU sites they just beating the hell out of this team whaaaa? - -making comments like these players are not hungry enough -- don't want it ?very bad - -are you fricken kidding me? - -where are they getting this from? = - -these people don't think they are trying? - -A person asking where Charlie was at? - -again really? - -I responded to that - -said Charlie is right where he should be - - ON THE BENCH. - -what am I missing - people talking Big Dave ought to be playing more - -are we watching the same game? - -Dave will be pretty solid - -but in the time he was in - did you see how hyper he was? - -I just don't understand why these people are beating these guys up like they are
Probably the one thing I would say - - Marcus is a slasher - -NOT a jump shooter should not be taking a lot of those shots - - he drives the ba;; - -no problem - -but his shot is just not there at one point I know he was like 1-8 - -but to just tear into these guys kind of pisses me off
Where the hell does Davis get his information from? - -he has to be getting it from some where - -I'll believe it when I see it - -don't bet on it. - -I think he like to see KU fans get all worked up with hope -- - who in the hell is telling him things -- - what is his information that makes him think that?
your right on one point anyways - -It boiled down to just more big bodies - -Dedic did all he could - - just no help on the interior. - Not having Doke really showed today - I was thinking right before it was mentioned man how much better this would of Been if he was there. -- People need to forget about Silvio - don't really knowhow many times we need to say - - it's not happening - -NCAA will see to that - -no reason to keep thinking it Might -that is a done deal. - - but ya for sure pretty much what it boiled down to more height pretty much sums it out
Well call me crazy guys but on the overall grand scheme of things - - - - I'm not mad - -OR did I think we played that poor really, call me crazy but this game ACTUALY makes me feel A LITTLE BETTER about us with the league. - -Basically this pretty much boiled down to one thing as far as I'm concerned and that's lack of big men , they just had to many big's -- we had Dedric and he competed hard what was it 19 pts and 14 rebs - -couldn't really ask for much more from one guy.
Sorry but I just can't really get that upset about the outcome of this game , we knew it was going to be a really hard game, - - Dotson played pretty well against Haggans - -Hero for sure didn't hurt us like I was afraid might be the case. - -What did turn out to be true was Travis - -I was afraid he was going to cause us problems -- him and Washington was the two really.
In the overall scheme this doesn't hurt us - I just really wish we could move on from this Silvio thing - -IT IS NOT HAPPENING - the NCAA has their mind set that it will not rule on Silvio till AFTER the year so tiring to listen to announcers talking about what a difference Silvio - -true - -but ain't happening - -let it go. - this didn't hurt us in league any - and really if we play like this I truly feel better in our match ups against Texas Tech - -looking more and more like it's Culver and like announcers have said not much else - -e will see - -ju st can't really complain that much about this game tonight guys.
Bigger disappointment would be for K-Sucks - -they just flat stunk up the place really bad - - Against a 7-10 Texas A&M - mercy what happened to their defense today? - -
I am so sick of hearing this today and every other days. - -Maybe true but still - - it's OH this is the year - gonna be somebodyelse winning the big 12 this year - -Iowa State really good. I tuly be this is going to be the year -- KU going down the streak comes to an end - -Maybe so - -but it still runs through Lawrence - - -I can talk about our boys - -this is OUR boys - All I hear is Ku streak is over - - could be - but until the end I'll wait thanks. - the old Missouri saying comes in pretty handy here - -SHOW ME
Then really sick of hear Jay Bilas Seth - -EVERYBODY wetting all over them selves about Kentucky today - -Kentucky - - -Kentucky -- Kentucky - -screw Kentucky -- could we get blown out - -SURE lots of length - -Dedric gonna struggle - but that's why they play the game - -after the game = =they whip us - - maybe Jay - -Seeth - -Dick and all the ESPN CREW may be they can meet in the locker room afterwards for a ig Circle that would be nice polish Dick vitale's crome lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
kjayhawks said:
I don’t understand how they come up with who plays in the challenge. Some of the better SEC teams like LSU, Auburn and Mississippi State aren’t playing while Texas and KSU both have gimmies. I understand that WV was preseason ranked and that was a good match up with Tennessee when this was released but only 2 games look good to me, ISU vs Ole Miss and KU vs UK. Arkansas maybe able to keep it close with Tech but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Well for having gimmies -- they got their ass beat - - guess they failed to get notified. - That K-State loss -- -is a REALLY bad loss - for them - -for the Conference
@truehawk93 that's just nasty - -makes him look like some pitiful old perv
Just browsing , got to give to Les for beating the bushes for 2020 recruits. - -I counted 20 different states they have offers out to. - - the biggest state we working on Is Texas - - 49 offers going out to players from Texas - - - Next is of all places is Missouri - - -16 offers - - Louisiana with 13 - - -Alabama 10 offers - - - - Florida with 8 offers - - Kansas 6 offers - and then Georgia with 5 offers -- going to a lot of places.
They have 9 offers to QB'S - - -2 pro style - - --and 7 dual threat. - - get this we have 44 offers out to receivers - - - - 44 ! ! ! - that's nuts lol - -all the way from 5 star to unranked. - - - -12 offensive line - --- -13 defensive line - - - 10 line backers - -and 16 DB'S - -they putting in some work - -we currently have a total of 130 offers out leading by far the big 12 in offers - -kind of crazy , but like was pointed out by another guy at least not seeing any JUCO'S - for 2020 - -that in it's self is VERY nice to see ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY