@DCHawker If you shoot and miss and it’s a shot that Self doesn’t like…..u will be sitting next to him within seconds

I wouldn’t pull the trigger either and just try to defend and rebound

Neutered

Wish Bill would coach every player with the same favoritism, confidence and leeway and he gives Juan and KJ. Just all sorts of confidence and wry smiles when they mess up versus just being pissed every time other players aren’t legitimately perfect (meanwhile his “guys” eff up regularly and get the doors blown off them in 2.5 years more than any other Self team)

@MoonwalkMafia Reed hit a big shot against missery that we are all forever grateful for and was a great moment for the local kid

However, he and Brady’s shooting were the reason we lost against vcu. That game haunts me

2/21 from deep….we were the best team that year

Same with 2016 nova we were the best team that year as well but didn’t deliver in the tourney.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/310862305 ↗

@Jhawk69 Yeah “Frank wasn’t ready” yet we got bounced in the round of 32 and Self was playing frankamp more minutes in desperation

Another point of complete roster mis-usage that from October to March Self still couldn’t figure out the best pg on the roster (Mason)

@Jhawk69 Those guys were never given the same opportunity of Traylor or KJ or Juan

Had they I think it’s obvious those guys would have helped the team more than the lower level guys playing above them because “Self trusted them”

@MoonwalkMafia I don’t know who the hell this guy is but he articulates everything I’ve been saying but way better

It wasn’t just Brady it was Tyrel as well

Why Bill does this I will never know but it’s crazy to think but he would have won more had he played the best offensive players, adjusted his scheme and not favored some lesser players

@BeddieKU23 and we don’t shoot a lot of threes

But we love tough 2’s and the mid range game cause we can’t get to the rim well

geniuscoaching!

@approxinfinity said in Looking back at Hilton:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Looking back at Hilton:

Doesn’t it kinda suck that for the last four or five years every argument comes down to KJ and Juan?

Can we all agree that Hunter is the most immobile upright ferret we’ve ever seen run? Just looking for something to unite the board…

Son of Thom, Son of Mickel, Son of Dickins.

All the Hunters I know.

It is all 3

Best guys to build around at Shak, Zeke and Rylan and definitely sprinkle in Hunt and KJ

No way Bill sees it that way - ooppps I’m a narcissist for even attempting to know what he thinks

I mean wth - what kind of message board is it when the coach says it and plays him a ton

It’s evident he attributes that title to starting pg

More proof??? Try right after the game when THE FIRST guy he gave credit to was Juan

Any other coach points out Big Dave’s bucket or remy’s herorics but nah we get the guy who stepped ob with 3 seconds and sat for almost the final 10 minutes of game time

I mean speak of a narcissist he’s obsessed with giving Juan credit

@kjayhawks It’s those two plus Hunt as well…..but definitely those two dating back to the Ark game

@BShark Honest question - has he not said all those incredible things about Juan? And does he not play him an obscene amount of minutes in big games which confirms what he said?

Not sure how a poster is a narcissist but maybe the coach who’s ego has never ever been checked and is experiencing legitimate failure with his favorite pg of all time - needs a reality check about his analysis????

Just maybe?

@TYOHawk Yeah problem is Self is the only guy on the planet who doesn’t see it that way

In his mind Juan is one of the greatest KU pg’s and led them to a national title - because he’s said that for now 3 straight years and his actions of playing him so many minutes confirm it

@Texas-Hawk-10 I’ll dive into the teams another time but your flat out wrong again about 2018

Who’s this #35 that played against nova? You don’t remember them talking about his Mom coming over to see him play?

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401025886 ↗

@Texas-Hawk-10

Frank - Josh team - Oregon loss

Graham, Svi, Newman team - nova final 4 blowout as we dumped it into big doke to start, didn’t guard nova out to the 3 line and got trounced

2022 team with JW at the 4 - reversal to nova and revenge

What’s false about it?

@TYOHawk The more I look at the program since 2013 the worse it actually gets on how he handles players and his system

The best teams as the other poster pointed out were 4/1 and yet he’s talking about playing 3 bigs because he’s so frustrated with our wings. Maybe coddle them like you do the big 3 and they’d produce better.

If he Embiid or Oubre’s incoming DP he needs to be “retired” next year because he will have effed up yet another roster.

He’s going to value Elmarko and McDowell and somehow Clemence might get minutes because they know what he wants and practice well versus all the young guys and 1-3 upper classmen transfers he brings in and gets mad at how they do things in practice.

He runs a program like the 80’s

He’s gaslit the program for multiple years that Juan is the truest pure pg and incredible - people said “self knows more than message board idiots” and actually the people watching the games from their house could see it clearer

He thought Hunter is the next Jokovic and he can’t defend a ball screen or the rack, roll quickly to the hoop or hit 3’s consistently. Yet Bill knows more and plays him

He’s gaslit us that kj is as impactful to a game as Ochai was. He had the game against Duke and watching Duke that would go different if we played again. Every other game he can’t score outside a dunk, kills all offensive spacing (doesn’t matter Juan can’t beat his man off the dribble consistently anyways) and can’t rebound.

He plays a pg who isn’t a threat to score and can’t shoot - when he shoots a lot the other team loves it. And he plays a 4 man that is zero threat to score and other teams don’t guard. We then can’t score but he doesn’t care because defensively he’s happy getting beat 74-57. Oh but with 4 minutes left it was a 6 point game. Did you all watch? We never had control, we’re down the 15-11 and NEVER took the lead again. OH YEAH BUT WE WERE RIGHT THERE BABY AND ALMOST HAD THIS ONE!

Yet Self never sits these three - thinks they are his best shot to win and has yet another year where we aren’t even conference contenders let alone a title

Hope you all keep those title hopes alive and keep on believin because you clearly are seeing the same stuff I have for 3 years and somehow expecting different results which is the definition of insanity

@MoonwalkMafia Uh uh uh yeah we can cause you won’t play every game good so uh uh when we play bad we just gotta make sure they play worse

The problem is we play bad a lot (more blowouts in 2.5 years than ever before). Self’s philosophy is iowa football: win 17-14 - vs. we need to be Oregon or Ohio State with athletes and let them play.

Other site nailed it - we win big games early like the Duke game but then you hear Self say “oh well we didn’t play any defense tonight”. He fails to recognize we won that game as Hunter sat the last 8 minutes…..he’s that oblivious

He’s won consistently with defense but only has the 2 titles after more 1 seeds than you can imagine.

Playing the way we do though it makes sense with how the tourney goes. Tony Bennett, Iowa football - that crap never works in any sport for multiple titles unless you have a ton of luck like 2022 (Bill’s words).

If Bill can’t be successful unless you have guys in the system for 3+ years he needs to retire. He treats jr transfers like freshman which he can’t grasp not to do.

Rather than taking us to new heights after his heart he’s taken us the opposite direction while supposedly getting the players he wants with no ncaa cloud and great nil.

This is all on him and he won’t ever fix it because he won’t switch the rotations up because of his trust and loyalty

As @approxinfinity is seeing we come back with kj on the bench and he puts him right back in and their lead expands.

Bill hasn’t seen clear for well over 3 years now and without remy and kalkenbrenner he’d be looking even more foolish

The lowdown

Self let’s his upper classmen guys get away with a million mistakes but they are “his guys with a leash” even though their results are more L’s and blowouts than ever before

Brings in other upper classmen and treats them like freshman

Oats ain’t coming here and programs licking their chops watching Houston and isu run things while another blue blood becomes the next ucla/indiana

Defense wins titles….

Top 5 ranked teams

1) Auburn - 86ppg
2) ISU - 86 ppg
3) Duke - 80 ppg
4) Alabama - 89 ppg
5) Florida - 86 ppg

@SlimShaddy54 crazy what happens when you dont play ucf

@BShark you want another year of kj and d2??? You can’t be serious

“Kansas beats top teams early in the season; he lets them play for a couple of games, then puts them into the round holes. Notice that after KU wins those games, he says something like, "Well, we didn't play any defense.."”

Truer words never spoken

@approxinfinity it’s January and he’s completely gutted mentally and lost

Self plays stupid games and wins stupid prizes

We haven’t legitimately competed for a big 12 title going on this third year

Yet the field of 68 guys and everyone pumps self as some stud recruiter and gangster

Those guys got no clue either with how to properly evaluate talent and build a program/maximize it

@approxinfinity Self doesn’t have his favorites or his pets I swear

If he pumped Shak up as much as he loved d2 - shak would be a more defensive version of Frank

@FarmerJayhawk This team has no effin chance to win a title and they are another rd32 exit or sweet 16 beatdown to a legitimate 1 seed

Your eye is as I’d expect with the coaching staff feeding you crap cause they can’t judge talent or maximize rhe roster either

Bama buddy texting me Self is gonna mess up dp and get another pg who can’t score in the portal plus a big who can’t shoot outside 5 feet

If I go on his podcast I’ll let you all here it

@FarmerJayhawk Rylan won’t but nice out with the “as of today” ya big insider

I can tell you from my Bama connection he’s had enough of this trash

Tweet Derek Johnson - so telling. Self isn’t tanking his legacy he values defense over offense and schemes that don’t translate to today. You all can see it with minimal bball knowledge which says plenty

Kansas has lost 41 games in the Bill Self era at Kansas by 13 or more points (average of about 2/season)

However, 12 of those have come in the last 2.5 seasons

@approxinfinity Self has always had this

Traylor
Morningstar
Reed

He’s always had “his guys” that are in his circle of trust that limit the teams ceiling. He values things that don’t translate to scoring

Rather than having his team go play excellent he prefers to “make you play worse”. Already thinking about the other team versus thinking “how can we play our best”.

His entire coaching philosophy has been bad but he’s been successful due the greatest home court of all time and we did get talent even if he didn’t always play it

He picks some guys to encourage and give huge leashes and other guys he can’t stand and pulls with 1 eff

I’m telling you Rylan ain’t happy and his sick of this crap

Others on the team are pissed at what kj, hunt and Juan get away with and the going on three years of L’s is ZERO proof they are WINNERS

@kjayhawks shocking our offense labored yet effin again

That’s all Bill’s said for freaking decades - hey bill maybe be introspective and check your philosophy

@FarmerJayhawk ….gets beat by almost 20 on the road and feels a few tweaks here or there and “we got this boys”

The same rd 32 crew last year is back and everyone expects different results - humanity truly is dumb

@SlimShaddy54 Self made sure we #leveledup

nevergonnahappenagain

Rolls the same 3 guys expecting a different result

Another @$$whoopin on the road to a top 10 team

Man would be nice to actually have a chance to win the conference again

I’m out see you all next year when we have a legit d1 Kansas level pg and pf

Bill sucks at roster construction and coaching guys equally and instilling confidence. Don’t be surprised if Rylan and Storr “are injured” and don’t finish the season

If you aren’t his guy than good effin luck here

He’s gonna ruin dp as well cause he’s past his prime

Our awesome D held them to 74

Our incredible offense scored a solid 57

You take scorers and teach them to defend and scheme the D up

Bill takes defenders and hopes they magically figure out how to score

@approxinfinity He’s regressed on roster construction and his scheme

High low with a 5 who’s slow and can’t guard

A 4 who can’t shoot anything but a dunk and can’t rebound

Pg who can’t defend on the ball, can’t attack and can’t score or shoot consistently

Bill’s “guys” are real and he values stuff that doesn’t translate

@dylans Bill has to put him on the dang floor for that to happen

Moore so much better than Juan and it’s not even close

Defensively he’s what Self thinks d2 is and offensively he impacts the game with how he attacks while not scoring.

Self’s sawwffffttt

@wissox great with a 24 year old pg!

@wissox sits bench for kj as @approxinfinity and I lose our minds at bills @$$ rotations

@SlimShaddy54 but he’s a national champ and clutch right? That’s what Self tells us

Griffin hasn’t played one minute this half

He and storr are pissed but especially Rylan….bams looks nice now

@approxinfinity Bill has his pets and his guys who he trusts 100% and do no wrong in his eyes and “give him the best chance to win”

His eye is off with us being 20-14 in the calendar year of 2024

@DCHawker Roster construction plus offensive philosophy

@approxinfinity let moore run point and it changes things

@StLJhawk He’s never been a winner anywhere he’s gone

Nobody on the staff did their homework for this one just glanced at some stats

I could build a better roster than this crap

I predicted kj, hunt and Harris 3 turnovers each because isu is great defensively (unlike us but you all lapped it up against bad teams)

Hunter, Harris, and Mayo have 3 turnovers each. 9 of our 13. Kj was about there until his injury which sucks

@approxinfinity said in Looking forward to Hilton:

Would you mind if i coin your excessive pessimism as “hyturdbole” @kuballin10 ?

Haha fair enough brother 😂

Iowa state is tenacious and dogs on defense but still prioritizes offense

KU is Self with our defense that isn’t good against top teams and we “labor” yet again year over year to score

Didn’t he say after last years blowout this wouldn’t happen again?

Rs32 @$$ whoopin incoming

@DCHawker check the pg for that one…..

@SlimShaddy54 d2 playing legit top 5 d1 team tonight and shockingly this is it

Go figure this core 3 on the road against a legit team still isn’t good enough

Self can’t evaluate talent worth trash

@StLJhawk as expected

@kjayhawks Same trash for 2 years defensively - giving up easy baskets which Self claims he hates yet he doesn’t adjust or sit guys

D2 getting dominated tonight but plays 40 minutes cause it’s a big game and Bill trusts him

Griffin looks alright makes 1 mistake and he’s out

D2 losses the ball to the big guy for a three cause he plays with zero urgency

All those defensive metrics and great second half’s against bad teams….

Let’s see if we can flip a switch and shut them down defensively this half

@BShark said in Looking forward to Hilton:

If KU somehow wins going away I'll be bouncing off the walls. If it's played closely (5 points either way-ish) I'll feel about the same as I do now that this is a good team. If Iowa State wins in a blowout that would be fairly concerning.

This is exactly where I’m at. Expecting us to lose a close game 4-8 points but it’s tight until a few free throws late. Will be fun to watch with this expectation.

If this team is actually closer to 2020 and 2022 as people are saying per the “metrics” than they should go win this one.

Isu has better guard and their bigs are more mobile. They run pnr a lot so we will see if Hunter can adjust at all or if Flory needs to get more minutes.

Hope Shak and Rylan both play 25+ minutes tonight

Favorite player - Hinrich - quickest up the court with the ball in his hands and one bad mofo for a white boy

Was a reason he stayed in the league so long even though he hated the nba life.

Frank is a close second

Big Dave had by far one of the greatest final four unexpected runs I’d ever seen. He was better than Och by a mile and deserved MOP

07-08 winning that title against all the other number 1 seeds was the best.

The way Bill triple teamed THansborough knowing he was so selfish to never kick it out when unc would throw it into him was A+ scheme and the reason we just destroyed them

@Texas-Hawk-10 You just make stuff up?

Tell me the years they had a top 5 offensive efficiency on kenpom and what they did that year? They weren’t top 10 any other year offensively per KP from 2018 on except their 2 title years. I’ve literally this summer listed out or heck maybe it was this past March the ncaa winners offensive and defensive ratings dating back to 2015 and showed O is more important than D. O rating was higher whereas D didn’t have to be perfect could be anywhere from 8-15 range

Hint - 3rd and a 2023 ncaa title

1st in 2024 - title