@dylans I guess it's like when my wife says "Do these jeans make my butt look big?" and I say "No, it's the other way around".
I don't mean anything by it - just an observation.
I will give him credit for this year - he's obviously having a great season. I just don't see him as a great coach for the long haul.
Oh yeah - the jeans comment never happened or i wouldn't be able to type.
" I don't give a S**T about North Carolina "
@BeddieKU23 OK. Here's the deal. I'm seriously confused.
How is it harsh to think that a guy with those stats is not a good coach? Would you be super stoked to have him at KU for 17 years with those stats?
I already know the answer is NO. You would be fit to be tied (whatever that means).
It's not harsh to look at a sheet of statistics and say "Hmmm - this dude is not a good coach".
I didn't say he was a wife beater, a child molester, a bad neighbor or that he steals from the offering plate at church. Just that, based on 540+ games of history - he's not a great coach.
@StLJhawk Lol - if you're going to dream, dream BIG!!
@dylans Well, I've always respected you here. Again, I guess we all have our own opinions. I don't hate the guy, I just don't get why, after 17 years everyone thinks he's a top flight coach. My opinion.
@dylans What makes you think Drew offends me? I just don't think he's a good coach. That's not a sin. He's proved it to me for a long time now.
He DID win a conference championship !! With Valparaiso. Seventeen years ago.
His Baylor resume? Barely over .600 winning percent. Meh.
Conference Championships - ZERO. Meh.
Final Four Appearances - ZERO. Meh.
I don't hate the guy. He's not Gregg Marshall. I just don't think he's a good coach. The statistics back me up. Yes, he's having a good year. Finally.
I don't even have to compare him to Self, that wouldn't be fair. Nobody else is Bill Self. Compare Drew to almost any other coach in the league. He doesn't stack up. That doesn't mean he offends me.
@dylans Does anyone think Bruce Weber is a great, great coach? But - K State won the Big 12 last year.....
@dylans Maybe not great "classes", but he's had some outstanding individual players over the years.
I will very much agree with you that , right now, Baylor is a very good team.
Drew can not coach. Not. He is not a good coach. He has proven that year after year. He's had some of the best talent in the country over the years and done nothing with it. This season, he happens to have very good talent that have figured out how to play together well.
They are winning in spite of Drew, not because of him. I don't expect you to agree.
Baylor is unbeatable.
Until Saturday.
@StLJhawk I think Doke has 25 rebounds, 10 dunks and goes 14-16 from the free throw line.
Oh, and we win.
@jayballer73 WHY? He's like 6' 5", right? Or am i thinking of someone else. Sorry, i didn't google it.
If he IS 6'5" - block out and out hustle him. It's not rocket surgery. Or brain science.
@FarmerJayhawk How do your peers like it when you wear your Jayhawk clothing to work every day ?
@jayballer73 What else you going to do when you have a crappy team in a crappy town? (sorry to my Wichita Jayhawks out there.....)
They have to whine about something.
I hope we beat them like a rented mule.
@benshawks08 If he's 6'2", I'm Brad Pitt.
My wife will vouch that he's not 6'2"
Could we go back to using peach baskets?
@dylans OR - put in trap doors!
@HawkChamp I thought he was talking about Drew....
@BShark Too bad you won't be able to write that sentence next year and substitute "Jr" for "Soph". :(
Hope Dotson is enjoying this. Next year at this time he'll be sitting on the end of a bench in Cleveland or somewhere.
Making a whole bunch of dough.
@BeddieKU23 My prediction is that KU will win.
The reason?
Their fans don't know how to be #1 fans. Their coach doesn't know how to be a #1 coach.
Pressure will beat them.
@StLJhawk LOL - Truth!
@drgnslayr Oh sure. Bring logic and sense to the conversation. Thanks a lot.
@jayballer73 i would think there's bound to be a couple.............lol
@dylans Max was a once in a lifetime kind of radio guy. Well, guy period. He was knowledgeable, thoughtful, insightful, enthusiastic (but just the right amount) - and he never disrespected the officials, coaches, opposing coaches, players - nobody. He was such a class act.
I honestly would not be surprised if even the brighter Missouri and K-State fans respected him.
@bskeet That's really very well said - i appreciate the thought and effort you put into it.
Having said that, it still gets my hackles up when I'm driving 75 and getting passed like I'm standing still - and getting flipped off and honked at for doing the speed limit. Why should I have to break the law (I'll get back to that) just because everybody else is doing it? Why don't they do what's right and slow down? As far as breaking the law goes - I'm not really St Nuleaf - I don't like to speed because I can literally watch my gas gauge go down. It's expensive and inefficient to speed. 75 sucks it down badly enough. The computer on my vehicle says at 75, i average about 30.3 mpg. If i take a back road and can go 60, that number goes up to about 37 mpg. That's the main reason I don't have the gas pedal mashed completely to the floor. When I was a young buck, I used to have a 70 Mustang Fastback and I spent a lot of time at 100+ mph. And gas was about 40-60 cents per gallon.
And I was cool. Now I'm cheap.
@wissox WOW. Oh well, at least I got to see Naked and Afraid...
@BeddieKU23 Great recap - do you work for ESPN or Youtube?
@benshawks08 I'd love to see how many points Maravich would have scored if he had the three point shot.
It would be like when my son was 2 or 3 and I asked him how many stars are in the sky?
"MANY, MANY"
This game was a first for me.
First dang time in my life that I forgot the game was on.
I watched Naked and Afraid, Ellen's Game of Games and Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
Got ready to go to bed, looked at my phone and it said " Watch Game Recap - Kansas 58 - W. Virginia 49
What has my life become?
@Crimsonorblue22 Oh! Sorry, I thought you were for it. My bad. First time I've been wrong... since...2:10 pm today.
@Crimsonorblue22 Somebody did that at every other school in the nation too, but it doesn't mean they should hang their jerseys in the rafters.
@bskeet "Calling Self a liar and a cheater is a bit extreme unless you are one of those people who always drives at or below the speed limit, etc. etc. and so on."
If you're driving AT the speed LIMIT, isn't that what you're supposed to do? See, there's a minimum and a maximum that you can LEGALLY drive. Some of us actually do that backwards, hillbilly stuff. I would drive much, much faster but that would compromise my texting/drinking/changing clothes in the car skills.
@Kcmatt7 Fair enough. To be honest (since we're on the subject...) I really enjoy finding out about people on this site. I mean, what makes us tick and not just "Rah Rah, we put the ball in the hoop a lot today". We're all different and it's interesting to me to find out WHY we're different.
I know that I lean towards innocence and naivete so it's good to get a little dose of reality periodically.
@Kcmatt7 I know - it's crazy in this day and age that ANYONE expects integrity and honesty from leadership. Or anyone else.
@HighEliteMajor If that's the way you feel, I totally respect that. Honestly, I'm not as informed about this (and many other things) as I should be. I tend to favor re-runs of "The Beverly Hillbillies" and "You Bet Your Life" (big Groucho fan here) over the news. I understand completely having faith and trust in someone and being (or feeling) betrayed. Since I haven't followed things too intently, my impression is that since he's still got a high profile job that he must be OK (?). Don't people lose their jobs for lying any more? I also publicly stated that if Self was indicted/convicted - whatever the legal term is of any wrong doing I would write him off completely. Has that happened? (I'm not being sarcastic, just asking).
I would tend to think that many impartial observers would study him and think that he's a hard working, decent, blue collar kind of guy (that makes several million bucks per year - lol). But if you're right and he is indeed a liar - i will be done with him as well.
@HighEliteMajor Interesting. I'm not Bill Self's cousin, next door neighbor or best friend. I've never met him - closest I've ever been is the couple of hundred feet from the bench while at a basketball game.
BUT - I've always considered him to be one of the more honest guys in coaching. About you and I - is there any chance that we both see & hear things in a different light? How do you know with such certainty that he (and his staff) know about the darker side of things? Maybe they just happen. Without his knowledge or consent. It's a distinct possibility. I've been at my company 23 years. It's a small company - about 30 employees. Stuff goes on around here ALL THE TIME that I don't know about until after the fact. And while I'm not the Head Coach, I've been here longer than any other employee and am included in much of the decision making around here.
I look at guys like (yep, going to name names....) Pitino, G.Marshall, Calipari - and I immediately think " They're pond scum ". I know that's an excellent attitude for someone who professes to be a Christian, but I'm a Christian human and i sometimes get an attitude.
Could it be that there's just something about Self's persona that doesn't vibe right with you? Maybe he's not dishonest. Maybe you just don't like the way he looks.
Anyway, there's about a 100% chance that I'm not going to change your mind, It just struck me funny as I think completely the opposite way about him.
@HighEliteMajor So - I gather you're not the president of the Bill Self Fan Club?
@dylans - "It’s not about projections. It should be about what you did."
A not oft quoted song lyric from Frank Zappa -
*You ain't what you're not
So see what you got
You are what you is
An' that's all it is*
@BShark Raef Lafrentz:
A two-time consensus first team All-American (1997, 1998) … Two-time Big 12 Player of the Year (1997 and 1998) … A finalist for the 1997 and 1998 Wooden and Naismith awards … One of three players in KU history to score 2,000 points … Ranks second in Kansas history for career rebounds (1,186) … A hand injury that forced him to sit out nine games in 1997-98 prevented him from being KU’s all-time leading rebounder … Ranks eighth in KU history for career blocked shots (138) … Ranks among the top 10 in KU history for career field goals, attempts, free throws, attempts and field goal percentage …
@Kcmatt7 I'm ready to go off on my annual OAD rant, but I'll try not to.
All I can say is give me a Christian Braun (even though he doesn't pronounce his name correctly) ANYDAY over a Wiggins type fellow.
@BShark I was being facetious. You and I should be in the rafters before any of them. We're much bigger supporters of KU. In fact, all of us on here are great athletic supporters.
@dylans " That hasn’t stopped Wichita State fans from accusing Self of dodging the Shockers."
Wichita State is a wanna be who actually is a decent team - once every 30 years. They have a ways to go. I enjoyed watching a so-so Houston team DESTROY them by.....what was it - 33 the other day? Lol
I laugh my butt off every time someone mentions Marsha coaching at a real school. He's a terrible coach - but he is smart enough to know that he's a big fish in a little pond. If he ever goes anywhere, it will be to an even smaller, more nondescript school.
@BShark Yeah, Wiggins. And Josh Jackson. Maybe Josh Selby. They are all players who made KU better with their blood, sweat and tears.
Maybe we could have a "One and Done - No Real Contribution" section of the rafters.
@dylans It's quite a dilemma (crap, i'm getting old - i had to look up how to spell dilemma...) that we have. So many great players, but we need to respect the rafters and only put in the best of the best.
It's so much easier at K-State. If you score 1,000 points (total career, including Jr High and High School), or if you've ever been a judge in a Livestock competition or attended a rodeo - you are rafter bound.
They do have one banner up there that I wish we could remove -
"*Remember that time we beat KU?*" Oh well, that's their National Championship.
@BeddieKU23 Wonder what the attendance will be at the next Ok St - Tx game?
My guess is 75. That includes family, friends, staff and cheerleaders.
@DanR I'm willing to bet anything it wasn't K-State or Wichita St
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