We knew that when OU lost. UGA getting pounded today is interesting for the playoff.
BShark
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Woodrow said:
It really hasn’t even been that close of a game. WVU blocked a FG for a TD in the first half. Clones defense has dominated.
Yep.
I knew WVU was really suspect after KU played them lol.
Also ISU is actually really good. Just happened to lose to a couple really damn good teams by 10 and a tough close game to TCU.
ISU taking it to WVU right now.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Woodrow said:
I mean he just signed a 7 year 49M $ contract.
It’s the SEC. money is no object.
Still, 32 million is his buyout. Might even be tough to swallow for Auburn's bmds.
@kjayhawks The whole thing was just me posting a snarky thing because the truth is either side will blindly promote their side. IE people telling Kaep and Bron to stick to sports but the same people are suddenly very interesting in hearing Kanye's political ideas.
I was just having some fun with it, and felt this thread was the spot for it.
@Woodrow Yep.
NOTHING BUT TOTALLY CLEAN PROGRAMS HERE BTW. :joy:
Speaking of which, Anthony Walker is down to Miami, Pitt, Illinois and BC.
approxinfinity said:
@Woodrow I was being facetious. You were riffing off of @BShark 's post, as was I. I'm not a Kanye fan at all, and have had that opinion pre-MAGA. He is a self absorbed ass. Which is why he gets along with the President.
Strongly agree. Also Kanye has self-admitted mental issues.
@JayHawkFanToo It says the people that told Kaep and Bron to stick to sports. It just seems like there is a bit of a double standard, is all.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Cole Anthony to cut his list. I’d be surprised if KU is on it. Guessing UNC, Oregon, Notre Dame, Pitt, Georgetown. I’d be surprised if he went anywhere but Carolina.
Makes sense. Doesn't seem like KU made a big play for him (not that they would have got him if that happened) but obviously KU took a couple developmental guys and put their eggs in the Stanley basket for elite guard talent.
I'm all for removing OAD. Let the kids that want to go straight to the NBA do so.
JayHawkFanToo said:
If is any consolation, the weather here has been cold (30s-40s) and rainy...really, really rainy...for the last few days and will continue through the weekend. By the time it warms up some early next week the yard will be like jungle...with isolated lakes...:unamused:
It's been crazy. I thought the creek near my house was going to flood.
JayHawkFanToo said:
Keep in mind that the last 2 seasons Mitch was playing as an undersized 5 matching up against much bigger opponents. He has now bulked up quite a bit and will be playing a more fitting 4 or even 3 so he will not have the size disadvantage he had before.
His skill set is that of a 5. Which I think he knows, given how much he did bulk up.
@JayHawkFanToo I said disaster offensively. His defense has definitely been adequate. Doke is actually a fairly bad shot blocker and rebounder for his size. Though Udoka's size in general deters shots in the paint. Where Doke is much better, despite being limited with no jumper is offensively. You get Doke the ball near the rim, and it's getting dunked.
Edit: @Kcmatt7 Great point on the lack of rebounding as well. KU got dumpstered last year on the boards in general which was mainly a product of only playing one big and having two shorter guards (Frank was a warrior and an anomaly the year before that) but Mitch didn't help. His TRB% was 12.4, which is quite bad. Rebounding would absolutely suffer with Mitch in the game instead of any other player KU would realistically play at the 4 this season (Dedric, KJ, Silvio).
Mitch was a disaster his FR year offensively, admittedly with very few opportunities. He didn't generally kill the team last year, but he also wasn't great. Self has a ton of options and I just can't see Mitch getting much tick.
Kcmatt7 said:
I have yet to see Mitch prove he can hit a 3 in a real game against D1 opponents.
He hit one against TCU and A&M last yea.... POINT TAKEN.
Kcmatt7 said:
@mayjay You don't get to choose your parents unfortunately. I liked Billy a lot leading up to the season.
His mom is definitely a real piece of work.
JayHawkFanToo said:
Agreed. There was talk that PT was promised to Wiggins but his recruitment was so different than any other that it is hard to tell. Also Oubre was thought to have been promised to take over Wiggins spot but in reality he had to earn the position...which he did. On a side note, Oubre has developed into a solid NBA player and doing well at Washington and will soon be a starter.
Yeah, Oubre is really good. It would have been cool to see him develop and play a 2nd or 3rd year at KU but I always understand when players just want to start making their money.
mayjay said:
@BShark If Self has promised any recruits playing time, thank goodness he apparently doesn't let the promise override adhering to team rules. Or Preston would have played the first game he was suspended for, and things might have gone differently. Perhaps no car crash, perhaps he played a lot of games, perhaps we would have been screwed.
I believe Preston needs to be an exception to the "always a Jayhawk" rule.
I don't know if Preston was promised anything, besides 90k from Adidas of course. :joy:
Agree with you. At first I kinda felt sorry for him but with all the info out there now, especially the text from his mom about misleading KU coaches, I don't really care anymore.
JayHawkFanToo said:
True. Some of the playing time will also depend on who the opponent is and what the match ups are. A team with no size inside will see a lot of Doke, Silvio and even Big Dave, but a team with size might see more of Mitch who is capable of stepping outside and hitting the 3.
Same thing with the back court. a team with lack of back court size will see more of Moore, particularly if a 3 point shooter is needed but a team with tall guards will see more of Garret.Nice to have all these option that just were not available the past few seasons.
Yeah, it's fun to even be able to have these rotation and minutes discussions. I still don't think Mitch sees the floor if Silvio is eligible but we will find out soon enough.
@JayHawkFanToo Fair enough. None of us know 100% what Self actually told those players that ended up transferring because neither the coaching staff or players are ever going to put it out there. We also don't technically know which players left of their own accord and which were kicked out. So all we can do is read the tea leaves and speculate on it like you are doing as well when you say your personal opinion.
I am VERY confident that Self has promised minutes (specifically to Grimes, Dotson and JRE), but you don't have to believe me of course and that's never going to be public knowledge put out there by Self or players.
@JayHawkFanToo I never said what you are insinuating I did. I literally said KU can and should recruit the best possible players but that marginal players shouldn't be penalized for leaving (if they even had a choice to begin with). Of course playing time isn't guaranteed, but coaches LIE all the time about a players prospects/potential to get them on board. They can be misled by a smooth talking coach. Or coaches simply mis-evaluate a player.
I'm baffled at the points you are making when I never said otherwise. I'm not even sure of the point you were trying to make or what you were trying to convince me of? I get that coaches need enough players to practice. Otoh kids want to play. Situations like Mitch where a kid good enough to play at a lower level but wants to tough it out for a 4 year bench career at KU are most assuredly the exception.
I don't see how it would hurt anyone to implement what @Kcmatt7 suggested.
Kcmatt7 said:
@Woodrow I didn't say they got a raw deal. I'm just pointing out that not every player that leaves really had a choice. That's all.
I'd even be in favor of coaches having the ability to grant a waiver that allows certain players to transfer without sitting. If it is a mutual thing or it just didn't pan out, coaches could let players transfer without sitting at all. But it would be up to the coach.
This would be a great step. I'd bet Cunliffe would have got it from Self too, because he would have been the 13th guy/last spot on the bench this year.
So apparently Appleton transferred to SW Baptist in Missouri but never played due to his bad hip then tried to play at Midwestern State in Texas after taking a year off. Not sure if he ever ended up playing there or not. I just checked two years of their box scores within that time frame and didn't see Appleton in any box score so I would guess not.
Also thought this was interesting. I forgot about a couple of these guys.
https://www.rockchalktalk.com/2015/3/9/8177355/analyzing-ku-s-transfers-part-two-outgoing ↗
JayHawkFanToo said:
I agree with you. Most of the transfers are not because a players is forced out but because he expects playing time that is just not available and they choose to move to programs where they expect to get more playing time to showcase their "skills" for the next level. The truth is that if a player is not good enough to get plaything time at KU, his chances of making it to the NBA are slim to none; even the starters and stars have a hard time getting to the next level; frankly, a bench warmer will have a better chance in life with a college degree than trying to make it to the NBA.
The part that is missed is that the NCAA also has an obligation to at least try to help student get an education while playing sports. Most schools require that the last 2 years are done in residence at the institution and a certain number of school credit (at least half) required for graduation be earned there. Having an open transfer policy will ultimately result in some students having credits in several schools and after 4 or 5 years not enough in one to graduate. Having a transfer player sit one year forces him to stay at one school for at least 2 years and gives him a fighting chance to get a degree...not a bad thing. Graduate transfers already have a degree so this is likely why they do not need to sit one year.
Just my opinion but I am open to other views.
I think the best question is why Self added the likes of Adams, Peters, Cunliffe, Maxwell, Whitman, Merv, Royce etc... in the first place.
A few quit basketball all together and most graduated. Time well tell what happens with Cunliffe.
Woodrow said:
When you come to a place like KU you have to understand that you either work hard get better or you are probably not going to play. That is just how the game works. Coaches are trying to win. How do you win... You recruit the best players possible and players that fit your program.
@Kcmatt7 So you don't think Greene, Adams, Bragg, Tharpe, or Giles did anything and just got a raw deal. Give me a break. We have a open scholarship this year. If Cunliffe wanted to stay and sit on the bench he could have.
Oh come on. Yes KU recruits the best players they can, that's why I have no issue with players leaving or being shown the door if they aren't good enough. But then these players should be forced to sit a year? That's crap. It's a huge double standard.
Yeah Cunliffe could have stayed on the bench, but players want to play. You are being disingenuous again here. At best Cunliffe was probably mislead by the KU coaching staff when he decided to transfer here. Of course given Cunliffe's history and leaving anywhere when the going gets tough I again stress that he was a very poor and desperate addition by the staff. It was never going to work out. I'm glad he is gone and wish him the best at Evansville but I bet he doesn't do much there.
@Kcmatt7 And I will submit that Maxwell, Adams and Cunliffe should have never been takes in the first place. Cunliffe was Svi desperation insurance, Adams was a complete head case and Maxwell was so far from KU level (he ended up at a NAIA D2 school). And please, no one bring up the Maxwell's brother myth. That was never a thing. CJ was obviously only here as long as X was.
What happened to Appleton? I know he was at KU for one year but did he just quit basketball after that?
The rest were legit-ish recruits that just didn't work out which happens.
Whitman was another baffling take. No more Whitmans or Maxwells please Bill. Unless they are okay with being a practice player or are a walk-on of course.
looooooooooool
@Woodrow Players don't just wantonly transfer either. There is a reason. Coaches lie about playing time etc... Your assertion that coaches have to deliver but players do not is disingenuous. Either party can and does decide to move on. Is it fair to Cunliffe that he has to sit out a year after being squeezed out of the program?
And coaches absolutely kick players to the curb. Self has done it many times.
yawn
Correct.
Woodrow said:
I mean what kid doesn’t want to be OAD??
Issac McBride, David McCormack, Mitch Lightfoot, Ochai Agbaji.
But I get your point lol.
Much less interested in Nnaji if he and his dad think he is OAD. Not very realistic, imo.
Yeah idk, what a mess. I am slightly more hopeful Silvio plays though. We will see what shakes out during the rest of the trial.
Shouldn't burden of proof be on him being given the money?
The thing about those team USA games is the USA team was a massive favorite in each game. Self is going to have ride or die guys, he always does.
In a recent article on Rivals Greg Brown said KU is among the 5 schools watching his games the most along with UK, Texas, A&M and UCLA.
Did UVs to UT and A&M. Not taking recruiting too seriously yet. Focusing on improving as a player. Doesn't plan to do any JR OVs.
I really hope KU is in this one. Along with Cade Cunningham and Julian Strawther this kid is one of my absolute favorite players in the loaded 2020 class.
I would not take that bet, just spit balling based on what I watched last year with Garrett. Hoping the staff will see he is more of a fit at PG, was kinda awkward off the ball. Definitely not slighting Grimes. I think there are three capable PGs on the roster (Dotson, Grimes, Garrett).
This article is over a year old.
@Crimsonorblue22 Grimes is more flexible imo whereas Dotson and Garrett are guys that need the ball in their hands running the show to be at their best. So I think Grimes could play PG if needed, but it isn't and he will do what is best for the team.
Kcmatt7 said:
Nolander's tweet about how Preston received the money after attending KU is interesting. But it certainly sounds like everyone is adamantly saying Self and staff were not in the know, so I guess it doesn't matter one way or the other.
Well I mean Billy got a text from his mom about hiding information from KU. So far so good.
Omg Slater is amazing
@Kcmatt7 The defense is going to be stifling.
@KirkIsMyHinrich I'm saying in general. He got miffed like a little beyotch last year when Self gave him the cold shoulder in Chicago among other things.
@Kcmatt7 This is a very good point as well. Bill has said repeatedly that Charlie is not a PG. Wouldn't shock me if Dotson and Garrett are the primary PGs and Charlie plays primarily off the ball when he gets in and is almost always out there with one of Dotson/Garrett.