No I with ya the Clones won it. KU players played hard and they just weren't good enough, and that's my point.
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Yes we do, and this Big weak 12 is getting scary good. We hear it all the time look at Duke, Kentucky, Arizona and so on. Look how great their conferences are? Shoot put KU in the SEC, ACC, and Pac and they are in the final four every year. Nothing like having 10 to 15 games of just showing up and winning.
My thinking is KU should get out of this weak Big 12 (sarcasm) and play in the SEC or ACC where they can just cruise, and not be all beat up come tournament time.
Me too. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to be the downer or make anybody mad, I'm just saying as KU fans just enjoy this team and don't put to much expectations on this team. I just don't want to see any KU fans out on ledge thinking about ending it all. LOL
Not really a decision just seeing things for what they are.
Faith is fickle. I mean faith is really believing in something you don't see, but believe it's there. So it's kind of a double edge sword that you are asking. As I believe there is a God, Hence I have faith. Yet it's not that hard to believe. Just look around. Yet having faith in a basketball team is different. I just don't see the intangibles that make this KU team nothing more than an early out in the tournament.
I know you would, ') but I have a hard time shaking off loses. So I have to be real with myself. It's helps.
I love them too. Die and cry with them. I'm just saying as KU fans we might want to temper our expectations a bit. You know sometimes KU fans have to high of expectations. This KU just isn't that great.
You should u are awesome. :)
Because KU isn't very good?
I would for KU to make a deep run in the tourney, but I just don't see it. KU does nothing really well. I know everybody keeps preaching BAD Ball, yet all I see is more losses.
OK I'm not sure the Clones played bad ball? In fact they looked quite impressive to me. The problem with your bad ball theory is when a team that puts the ball in the hoop bad ball is rendered useless.
This game may have not meant anything, but it is a tell tale of things to come. KU tried really hard in this game and they not only lost but blew a 17 point lead. HCBS was out coached by the Mayor. The made the adjustments by spreading the floor on the offense and let everybody just drive to the paint, and just packed everybody into the paint and dared KU to shoot the fools gold.
Nah we as KU fans have to protect ourselves from let downs. As we are the best fans in the world and it really hurts when we lose. However we need to take our KU glasses off and see things for what they are, but not all is lost. If anything this KU team is showing a toughness that can bold well for next year. Especially if HCBS can sprinkle in some OAD talent.
I think as KU fans we need to temper any NCAA tournament hopes. The mayor outcoached HCBS down the stretch, and it was quite evident. Iowa st. just spread the floor and destroyed KU. HCBS had no answer until it was way to late.
I was quite impressed with the Iowa St fans. I guess we can call the Sprint Center the home away from home for the Clones. The were out in full force.
Let's face it we play (((Bad Ball))) and it doesn't work against teams that can actually put the ball in the hoop. I thought for a moment in this game we were going to play a balanced game. Yet again we went inside play after play after play. It cost us big time as the Mayor packed everybody inside as many teams are doing to KU. Many times I counted as many as 4 Clones in the paint on a given play.
The recipe to beat KU is there. Just pack everybody inside. :(
I don't think there that bad. LOL They better than those zebra/cameo uni's, Man hated those things.
I'm not a big fan of the NCAA either. However understand why the NCAA was really created. It's to keep the money schools from cheating in every aspect of the game especially in recruiting.
We can see what getting all the best talent can do to the game, by just looking at UK. Everybody is preaching the greatness that is happening before our eyes. I'm like really, they should win, they have all the talent.
I like your idea on the conference tournament. Why should the conference champion have to play it's way in to the championship game? It might even give a little more credence to winning the regular season. I'm on board.
However I'm totally against paying college players. It's a slippery slope. Where does it end? Already we are seeing the demise of the college game, and they haven't printed the first checks This whole power five most likely to be some hybrid power four in the near future will destroy everything the college game stands for. Student athletes will be just be an after thought.
Some say no, Rest the star players. Let them heal up from the grind, bruises, and pain it took to win such a weak a conference (Sorry for the sarcasm). Which I can totally agree. As I'm not sure the conference tournament means that much.
Yet lets face it this KU team experienced some hard times coming down the stretch. If it wasn't for the crappy Big 12 no names beating each other up (sorry again), KU might not have won this title out right.
So I'm starting to get this feeling KU needs a good showing in this Conference tournament if nothing more than to get some swagger back.
My question is the Tar Heels committed academic fraud on the highest level I've ever seen, and not even a peep from the NCAA.
Oh wait they said will look into it. The don't even have to investigate? All the evidence has been outed by those with in. Really?
You know I have been a bit hard on HCBS here lately. However I wish whatever HCBS was thinking and why he did what he did comes to fruition.
I hope it pans out.
So to finish the statement. If I'm HCBS and I wish that I could find me and send a text/message telling me to calm down I got this.
Not sure how we can pick a top conference from history. It seems the Blue bloods do quite well.
Not sure why you would put so much stock in a one and done tournament as gauge of a strong conference? But ok
That's your reality. I guess the Missouri Valley is a tough conference. As the Shockers have made a lot of noise in the tournament here lately.
You now for years the Big East was the power of all power conferences. Yet take away Ucon and really they are a failure when it came to tournament time. Am I wrong?
A lot of people consider the ACC the greatest yet for years is was Duke and NC. So because Duke and NC made it to the final four on yearly basis the ACC is this powerhouse?
Some will even say look at the SEC? OK outside of UK and the Gators what have they really done as conference?
I'll give you the Big 10, but even they have in many years put many teams in the tournament and walked away with nothing. However like I said I will give you the Big 10.
Yes I would agree the Big 12 hasn't done well in the tournament, However the crazy thing is if KU would have won more championships than it has, the argument wouldn't be about whether the Big 12 is any good.
That my friend is perception, and reality.
Not so sure what we saw Saturday was Bad ball. In fact I think I could make a case we seen glimpses of what KU was doing before they started down this whole bad ball trail that has left KU with 3 more loses in five games.
KU guards though nervous at first at shooting three began to find their stroke again, as they could keep shooting with out fear of being benched.
Believe or not he the High low seemed to work better without Ellis in there. Not really sure why? But it was working. KU actually had inside passing.
KU guards weren't just driving to get fouled. They were looking for the open man.
My friend that's not bad ball. That's how the game should be played. Just my two cents.
Perception is one thing and reality is everything. You see the Big 12 could win two out of the next 5 National Championships. It won't matter. You see the media giants in sports are on the East and West Coast. Hell they call the Big 12 fly over country. However here lately the Big 12 has become a gauntlet. It has almost become more about surviving than it is winning.
Yes the Big 12 has failed miserably when it comes to the tournament. However I would make the case that the other power conferences aren't exactly winning multiple championships with different teams. Really the only conference to win multiple championships with many different teams was the old Big East. Yet they had like 20 teams and their back yard is in hoop heaven.
I've often wondered what the results would be if KU played this way. KU is pretty beat up for this OU game Maybe HCBS will have no choice but to play the 4 and 1.
My house is no mansion, but it is home.
You ask me why I think UK would lose at least two game in the Big 12 conference. Let me flip the table, and you tell me why you think UK would just run the table in the Big 12. Now remember this isn't about just beating KU. Really think about it.
Imagine UK having to play a home game against WV on a Saturday, then have to head to Iowa st for a tussle in Cyhawk land on a Monday night game. Also this a round robin conference, no ducking anyone. Every team has to play everybody twice. Home and away. I also think there are some teams in the Big 12 that good give UK just fits. OU and Iowa St. just to name a few.
And the winner is by KO
Sound point and almost impossible to refute.
So Think about it? Does one team or two make a conference great? Couple years ago Wichita St went to the final 4, and last year they flirted with greatness. So is the Missouri Valley a strong conference?
I hear and read all the time how some of you say and want KU to have a Louisville type rivalry. That is would be good for KU and the conference as a whole. All I can say is open your eyes and see the bigger picture. The Big 12 conference is KU's rivalry. Every game is a dog fight. Notice KU doesn't blow teams out like they used to. Hell even Espn wants big Mondays and Game day in places like Iowa st and Kstate. When KU comes to town.
No the Big 12 doesn't have two blue bloods to stake it's claim, and the Big 12 hasn't shown their best in the tournament. However from top to bottom and a round robin schedule it's hard to be tougher than the Big 12. All you have to do is look at how bruised and battered the Champion is to see how brutal the Big 12 can be. Every week of conference play is like rivalry week for KU.
Some have made the claim that the Big 12 conference is inferior to the other power conferences. Basing the theory on the fact the other conferences put more teams in the final 4 and winning the championships.
Well I'm not sure I believe. Just in the last two years KU has come to the end of conference play beat up and beaten down. Plagued with injures and just worn down. Think about it? If KU Played the great wonderful and powerful SEC they could have 12 wins of just showing up. No not in the Big 12. Every game seems like a dog fight, no matter what team you root for.
Why does a team that is good have to show it every night? If you're good, you're good. You don't need to prove it every night.
Yea tell me again how the Big 12 sucks.
PS I bet my house that this years UK team would have at least two losses if they played in the Big 12
Ok so HCBS calls the three shot (Fools Gold)? Yet when the game clock is running down and KU is in a dog fight, he brings in a three point shooter?
I'll take it a step further. What makes you think as a KU fan that a player that is known for shooting the three doesn't shoot them the whole game, can now hit the that shot with the game on the line? Especially when the defense knows you're trying to shot the three?
I know it sounds like I'm bagging on HCBS, but I'm not. I've just come to the conclusion that HCBS is a system coach. He's going to run his offense regardless of what his team strength is. Period.
KU will be without Cliff, Perry, and mostly likely Selden. So if HCBS wants to play bad ball this is the perfect measuring stick.
After all playing bad ball isn't playing to your strengths. It's just keeping the game close and win it at the end. So if this is the truth about bad ball, then KU doesn't need Cliff, Perry, or Selden to win this game. Right? After all the system is to play bad ball. Just muck it up if you will.
If KU even keeps this game close then I'm on board. Bring on the bad ball.
However when we get rocked in the tournament by some lower seed that lights it up from three land don't come on here crying why didn't we shoot the three.
Which I'm fine with KU and HCBS not valuing the three, but just don't recruit players that can shoot the three, tell us how great they can shoot the three, and then don't let them shoot it until after they run the offense.
Sorry if I sound rude. (((Sorry))) However you naysayers that say look at the last game. KU isn't that good at shooting the three. Sorry but shooting the three isn't like a light switch. You can't just turn it on and off. It's either apart of the game plan or it's not. You don't go whole games not shooting the three shot until the end of the game or when the shot clock is running out to ok lets shoot the three. Five games ago this KU team could bury a team with the three, now they look so nervous and even pass up on open shots from three land. Wonder why?
nay haven't done that for decades. Know where my limit is. ;)
Sorry Dude was a little drunk when I posted. It happens.
Well actually I never said that teams with star players always win the national championship. What I said was that teams that play bad ball and have no rhyme or reason are usually nothing more than a side note, a nice story in the history of the game.
I also said that if you look at the previous championships they always had something to hang there hat on. Yes the 88 team was special. It was when I fail in love with KU. See the thing about having something to hang your hat on, is like that team. That team when things weren't going so well and the walls would start to close in. Danny Manning would go do something nobody else could do.
Now hanging you're hat on something doesn't always mean a player. It could be the defense, or the type offense, rebounding. and so on. there is so many things a team can hang there hat on.
In the end I hope you're right and I'm wrong about this team.
I'm afraid you maybe right. I was so hoping it was just an education thing. Those things can usually be worked out, but receiving benefits from agents and the like can be a death sentence for a college career. Hope the NCAA doesn't try to drag KU into this.
Yes you are correct, but even though that team played with heart it still had something to hang their hat on.
Danny Manning.
Well if anybody could make the concept that bad is good, bad is needed, bad is badge of honor, and bad is something to hang your hat on it is @jaybate-1.0 . :)
However if somebody has to go to deep lengths to convince others something is beautiful then maybe it's not all it's cracked up to be.
I get the playing with heart, when you're back is against the wall finding a win, and the never give up attitude. However in the troughs of history these teams are usually nice stories and not champions, but Hey I'm on aboard let's play some bad ball, hell lets play terrible ball.
Nothing but respect but I have a different memory than you on those tussles with VCU an MU.
One VCU didn't win because they played great defense or pressure defense. They couldn't miss from three land. That Big can't remember his name but he just ate them alive with his outside shooting. Even thought KU righted the ship and made a comeback.
Second as for the MU games. It had nothing to do with pressure defense. The game at MU? TRob and KU got screwed on that offense charging, or no call (can't remember)(just remember they got screwed). However that MU team wasn't about pressure their strength was the flow of their offense, Man could that team pass the ball and shoot three's. Even has a KU fan I was surprised to see them lose in the first game of the tournament. Ok maybe not they are after all MU.
Ok let me say I'm on board as I have my Jayhawk glasses on. However reality, and numbers say playing bad ball will not win you a National championship.
We dream and say if and when, but in reality if a team doesn't have a rhyme or reason then they go home in the tournament. This KU team has neither. Think about it? Every champion that has won the coveted National Championship. They always had something to hang their hat on. Always.
I'm going to root hard, and I'm going to believe because I must as a KU fan. Yet the odds and reality say this KU team is regressing. Think about it we barely beat a bottom dweller in Texas and a team that hangs their hat on applying pressure on defense at home. HCBS's teams have never had problems beating up a team that plays a full court all out game. Never, well until this year.
Maybe the pundits are right and this is HCBS's best coaching job ever and this KU team isn't very good. However as a KU fan and a big fan of HCBS I believe this team isn't peaking like they should. Something is a miss. All I can say it I hope I'm wrong and have a bunch of KU fans reprimanding me for not just believing. I really do.
Lessoned learned. :) Thank God for DVR. LOL
So I gave up at 2:30 left in regulation. I headed to the garage with my head hanging. A little bit latter my wife comes out and says the game is in overtime. I'm like honey I'm not in the mood, and she says no really. So run back into the house hell ya. :) Rock Chalk
Can't watch this anymore. KU players are scared to even shoot a three. I"m out.
Who is this masked man called Hunter ???
freethrows and rebounding. Here we go.
KU passed on some wide open threes.
OK Jayhawk fans we need some luck. Whatever you do? Do it twice. If you have a wife or husband kiss them like when you first met them. If you have a dog let pet them and let them hang out in your KU room. If you have kids and grandkids pat them on the head and teach them the game. Maybe we can turn the tide, if not at least if KU loses you will be surrounds by love ones.
Ok I did seen something that may help us in the second half. WV is so aggressive on defense that the cross court pass seem to have some open looks. Yet it seems KU is hell bent to punch it inside. Do you agree ???
You my friend have hit the nail on the head.
We lose Ellis and KU could very drop to a 3 or 4 seed.
They look out gunned and out manned with no real game plan to me.
Well I guess I have to do what I have to do. I'm changing my underwear. ;)