@BeddieKU23 said in If Billās roster falls apartā¦:
Diggy said he would be eager to return next year. Does have the extra year. Hopefully he does
As long as he's fine with being a back up. If he's expecting to start of Elmarko, or anyone else Self and staff may bring in, then it's going to be a problem.
How many People genuinely expected Passmore to come in and be a rotation players from day 1?
He came here knowing he wasn't likely to be in the rotation as a freshman. Passmore 100% fits the mold of a role player. If he's not patient enough to wait for his turn, then is that a player you really want?
He absolutely reminds a bit of Travis Releford. A guy who's projected to make most of his impact on the defensive end of the floor, but will have the ability to get to basket and make some 3's later in his career.
Can we please get rid of this notion that a freshman has to be an instant impact/rotation level player otherwise they will or should leave? I can just about guarantee that Passmore wasn't guaranteed minutes from day 1 and that he would have to earn them.
Even in the limited minutes he's had this season, he hasn't good. He's got a PER of 1.9 and 35% turnover rate. Passmore will be a good player in time, but it was never expected to be this season.
@approxinfinity said in Wait, KU is playing?:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Dajuan / Moore / Mayo / (Bidunga/KJ) / Hunter then? Bump Rylen?
Harris, Moore, Mayo, Adams, Hunter with Flory rotating for Adams and Hunter, then Griffen and Storr for Mayo, whoever the hot hand is, and Coit for Harris and Moore.
The goal would be to have 3 of Harris, Moore, Adams, and Flory on the floor together as much as possible.
Self needs to go back to the defensive focused line ups with Moore starting and letting him guard the other team's best perimeter player. That defensive intensity Moore brought is what fueled KU's best stretch of the season. I don't care if that means the offense struggles to score 60. This team isn't good enough to play up tempo against good teams. Slow the game down, make it ugly as possible, play the race to 60 game, and give yourself the best chance possible to beat other good teams.
@kjayhawks said in If Billās roster falls apartā¦:
@Texas-Hawk-10 at times both have worked for this team. Iām not sure which is the correct for going further in March at this point in time
KU's not going to have the more talented more for most of their match ups past the first round. I'd go with slow it down and muddy the games up to limit possessions.
@kjayhawks said in If Billās roster falls apartā¦:
@Texas-Hawk-10 all valid points for sure and yes I agree whomever is doing our scouting/recruiting is absolutely terrible at their job. One thing that continues to drive me insane is with our depth, why donāt we push the ball more? Basketball 101 easiest way to score is to beat the others teams defense down the floor. Remember when we used to be deadly in the open floor and teams were scared of us running. Now Juan for some reason just lazily walks the ball up the floor 99.9% of the time. When we push he aināt doing it.
Basketball 101 also says if you have the more talented team, you want to increase possessions to exploit that talent gap. This team doesn't have that talent gap, so this is why I've advocated going back to Self's bad ball of turning games in rock fights played in the 50's and 60's. The best KU has looked overall this season was when Self went with a defensive oriented line up and turned up the pressure on that end.
@kjayhawks We don't actually know what KU's big board looked like in regards to the transfer portal. We also don't know a complete list of who did or did not express interest in coming to KU through the portal.
We also don't know what the scouting reports the assistants put together that were responsible for scouting potential transfer players because Bill isn't doing that on his own.
In regards to AJ, KU struggled to manufacture points last season because they didn't have anyone who could do that. What was AJ's reputation on offense? Someone who could create his own shot. The logic was fine in pursuing AJ and we've seen Self and staff turn other players with similar reputations into serviceable players. We've also seen it backfire as well even before AJ. I'm also not ready to fully write AJ off yet because we were having these same discussions about Remy Martin this time of season 3 years ago before the light finally came on for him. That also doesn't mean I expect the same thing to happen with the light coming on for AJ, just that it didn't happen for Remy until March and there were similar discussions of people writing him off in February as well.
The scouting issues are also why I believe there's needs to be a shake up with the assistant coaches because that's where a lot of the deficiencies in regards to being prepared and who to target in recruiting comes from. Self is the big picture game plans, but the assistants are doing to poor job of preparing those plans.
We also know Hunter is the source of the chemistry issues on this team. There's too much smoke there for it to not have some merit. We saw that with Arkansas last season with their rumored guy love triangle within the team and that turned a team picked 3rd in the SEC and a dark horse Final Four pick in the preseason to a losing record overall and a 12th place finish in conference play.
Getting Hunter out of the program I think will be good, and hopefully KU doesn't give any more players 7 figure NIL deals to transfers because those don't seem to work to well for many of those players.
I don't believe Self is going to be KU's coach 5 years from now. I believe he'll retire within the next 5 years because of how much he detests what college basketball is becoming. There's a reason why he turned down the NBA when he had a chance, there's a reason he's never really been involved with USA Basketball (probably more of an Adidas vs. Nike think though), his dislike of NIL and the transfer portal.
With as much roster turnover as there's been recently, it's not going to be a culture shock to have to essentially bring in a new team. I really could see next season being Self's last with the group he should have next year and then hanging it up.
I do hope that whenever that day comes, it's something that's announced either before the season ends or within a week or two of the season ending so KU isn't the boat of being forced to promote from within because I don't think any of the current assistants deserve the head coaching job.
Personally, the coach I would go grab is Will Wade. Everything he got in NCAA trouble from is legal now and he could easily be here for 20+ years.
@Kcmatt7 Yes, I'm focused on the national title seasons because that's the goal each season, not a Final Four and not an Elite 8. And in each of those two seasons, the two greatest seasons under Self, it was pass first PG starting with a scoring PG coming off the bench.
@Kcmatt7 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
You are such a literal person you canāt even evaluate things beyond the stat sheet.
Who finished both NC games at PG? National Championship on the line, who is in the game? Russ? Nope. Juan? Nope.
Remy played the final 9 minutes. Sherron played the final 15. Marioās miracle, was Sherron or Russ in??? But hang the banner Russ! He did it! Juan won that Natty!
If you could add Remy Martin to this team and youād have to drop Juan for the rest of the season you telling me you wouldnāt?
If you could add Russ or Sherron to this years team in place of Juan, who are you adding?
You're so zeroed in on one specific moment from each of those seasons that you're missing the point. Sherron amd Remy may have been on the floor towards the end of those games, but KU doesn't get to those moments without Russell Robinson and Dejuan Harris. It was never a one or the other argument that you're trying to claim, KU needed both PG's each year to win those titles. KU doesn't win in 2008 with only Sherron, KU doesn't win in 2022 with only Remy. Sherron needed Robinson in 2008 and Remy needed Harris in 2022.
@Kcmatt7 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
Bro Sheron played more minutes than Russ and was a HUGE team player by not basically demanding he start.
Russ only played 20 minutes the Natty game including OT!
DG led a very short rotation to a FF. Tyshawn lead an even shorter bench to a Natty runner up. Dotson didnāt get his chance to do it.
You are blatantly wrong.
Who were the starting PG's that hung banners for Self? Non scoring PG's with a scoring PG coming off the bench. You can claim whatever you want, but at the end of the day, none of those other teams won national title. Also, remind me what 17ppg scorer Perry Ellis did in the 2016 Villanova game?
@Kcmatt7 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
@kjayhawks said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
Anyone else just looking forward to next season at this point? Baring a Danny and Miracles type of run next month we are just pissing in the wind at this point.
This I agree with. I'm looking forward to a new look at PG next season. I do think Juan has always been a liability. I don't really think a Bill Self team can win a Natty without someone dynamic at PG. The 2022 run Remy really got us out of the 1st round, and then obviously the Natty game he saved us.
Mason. Graham. Dotson. Collins. Tyshawn. All of the best Bill Self teams had a PG putting up like 15ppg and at the end of the game were the type of guy who could just take his man off the dribble and get a bucket.
That is what we need from that spot with this coach. It is part of why I'm not worried about the future. When Juan is gone we can get back to looking for a PG that can really fill up the bucket.
At the end of the day, none of those PG's won a title as the starting PG at KU though. Sherron was a back up to Robinson. The formula for winning a title at PG for Self seems to be a pass first, defensive oriented starter with a scorer coming off the bench.
@wissox said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Wow thanks, do you just have all this in your mind? I didn't ask my question that long ago and you produced an article!
I know some of the dates, but had to check 247 to double check who all was in which class. Not really any deep research.
@kjayhawks said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Valid points on the initial investigation hurting recruiting but after winning the title in 2022 and being able to pay players with NIL, I donāt think it
Is valid at this point. To me we went to hard after the portal guys and other than Zeke none of them have produced. Shak, Diggy, Rylen and AJ havenāt panned out IMO Iād rather spent some money on a highschooler or picked differently in the portal.
It wasn't until the summer of 2023 that the NCAA case was resolved. Hunter was the only high dollar NIL transfer during that time and we all know he came to KU because KU was the highest bidder for him. Transfers that cared about winning more were likely still leery of the NCAA hammer coming down on KU so this past transfer class was the first without the NCAA investigation influencing potential transfers and the 2025 class is the first high school class without the investigation influencing it.
@wissox said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I've seen you write that before about the effects of the investigation, but I'm wondering. Basically the guys who won a championship were recruited after we started to feel the heat from the NCAA. So in the midst of an investigation Self constructed a championship team. Or am I wrong?
The core of the title team was all before the notice of allegations against KU was received in the fall of 2019 except for transfer players.
Lightfoot was a 2016 recruit, McCormack and Agbaji were both 2018, Braun, Wilson, and Harris were all 2019 players.
The timeline was KU received the notice from the NCAA in September of 2019 and in July of 2020, KU and the NCAA agreed to send the case to the IARP. With the case going to the IARP, KU gave up their right to appeal the verdict against them.
That means that the 2021 class was the first one where Self truly had the potential of a post season ban and suspension hanging over his head in recruiting, but the 2020 class was also a very weak class so I think it could even be argued that the NCAA started hurting KU's recruiting in that 2020 class.
Nobody from the 2020 class even made it to year 2 at Kansas. Bryce Thompson was the highlight of that class and Tyon Grant-Foster was a top JuCo player, but the other two was always long term prospects.
2021 was another extremely weak HS class overall with Zach Clemence being the highest rated player in that group (12 spots ahead of KJ).
2022 was a better class with Dick in it, but still no top 20 recruits in that class either. This was also the first class to benefit from NIL, but it was in its infancy and not fully monetize yet.
The 2023 class was the first group with NIL involved from the get go and there is a noticeable bump in talent brought in with Elmarko and Furphy being considered OAD prospects and Hunter and Arterio Morris as top level transfers.
Summer of 2023 is also when KU gets off with a slap on the wrist in the NCAA case as it was finally resolved almost 5 years after it began. KU had already gotten involved with their target recruits for the 2024 class at that point so that was this was last recruiting cycle with the NCAA case influencing recruiting of HS kids.
The 2025 is the first class post NCAA resolution for KU to go through the full cycle without the NCAA cloud hanging over their heads. What's going to hurt the 2025 rankings is Tiller reclassifying and enrolling early, but should help long term development for him.
@kjayhawks I would also like to see him play more, I just don't see Flory making a jump this season due to physical limitations and needing an offseason in the weight room to bulk up. I've said before that I'd like to see all 3 of our posts playing between 25-30 mpg since we now know that Flory can handle a lot of minutes at the 4 next to Hunter.
@approxinfinity said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I wish we had a well rounded player that was a leader. Is Peterson a leader? Who will be the floor leader next year?
To me, it would ideally be Elmarko since he would be in his 3rd season and expected to run point next season.
@SlimShaddy54 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
Now before anyone says anything I guess were not the only fans who probably pretty upset on the year.--- Gonzaga sure not typical Gonzaga year- ---Oh Hurley U Conn for sure not a typical U Conn year- -doesn't make it any better , cause I could give a rats ass just sayin
This is more of a typical UConn year than the previous 2 under Hurley.
@kjayhawks said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
@Kcmatt7 we are currently on our third in a row in terms of bad seasons. If this was an outliner Iād be fine with it. Itās becoming the new norm
We're also seeing the effects of the NCAA investigation with this group in regards to recruiting. That severely hurt the recruiting and overall talent level on this team. While the investigation was active, KU was only able to bring in 2 recruits good enough to be drafted and only 1 transfer that was drafted so there's been a major drop off in talent. Elmarko and Flory have the talent to change that, but neither will be NBA players next season.
When was the last time KU had a team with zero players drafted that season? 2009 I think. I do expect next season to be better as KU could have at least 3 players that could be NBA players in 2026, and all potentially 1st round picks with Peterson, Flory, and Elmarko.
The other issue, and I've mentioned this in the past is Dejuan isn't a great leader and that's his biggest weakness to me. I think you're the one mentioning listening to music in headphones before games. That's not an issue to me because for many players, that's how they block out the outside world to get focused on the game ahead. Everyone is different in that regard about helps them lock in before a game.
The issue with Dejuan's leadership to me is that he appears to be a very soft spoken and shy person that doesn't enjoy the spotlight. I don't recall him ever getting loud and yelling to fire his teammates up and I think that's why we see this team come out so flat most of the time. Basically, this group lacks a vocal leader that can light a fire under everyone because Self can't do that every game and stay effective with his speeches. This would've been the perfect role for Hunter as we all know he had a edge to him that was perfect for that role of vocal leader, but he chose to not embrace that role for whatever reason this year.
@kjayhawks said in Elmarko Healthcheck:
@BShark gotta play to improve, giving him minutes early in the season would pay huge dividends this point.
Flory has played enough that teams have film on him and a good scouting report and know his strengthsamd weaknesses. He's just not at a stage in his development where more game minutes isn't going to equal more development. There's a reason why the freshman wall or plateau exists and applies to the majority of freshmen.
He's still very raw offensively and not strong enough to back down older players yet. Those are things that just take time and can't be sped up. I do expect to see a huge jump with him next season after he goes through and offseason program where he can focus on adding strength.
@Zabudda said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
Hunter missed a bunch of close in. When you get a good look and it fizzles it hurts plus they can get out and run.
KU gave up 81 points and you're still trying g to place blame on the offense? KU shot 50% from the field today. Offense wasn't the issue. You can't give up 81 points and expect to win very many games.
@kjayhawks said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
My question is for all the Self homers, Fran was talking about how KSU was ready to play and we werenāt yet again. Isnāt it a job of the coaches to get the players ready to go?
This isn't 100% Self. I have been very uninspired by the advanced scouting by the assistants and transfer market/high school scouting.
There needs to be changes on the bench after the season. Norm Roberts for sure I think should be replaced because he's never been a strong recruiter, and after his stint as interim coach in 2023, I don't think he should be retained. I'm also not fully sold on Jeremy Case as an assistant coach at this point.
The hell was Mayo doing there? #1 rule of fast break defense is stop the ball and Mayo peeled off to the corner there
@BeddieKU23 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
They got 59 pts and the offense isn't the problem. Yeah okkkk
On pace for about 75 points, not elite, but should be enough to win 95% of games. Defense is in pace to give up 90+. So I will absolutely say the defense is the much bigger issue today you won't win very many games giving up 90+ points.
Stay classy KSU fans
The defense isn't stopping anything today.
@Zabudda said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
They are playing great at home against their most hated rival. We can seem to answer the bell. They have received all the crazy bounces, Just keep plugging and don't do lousy plays on offense.
The defense is the much bigger issue over the offense today. The defense is on pace to give up 90+, you're not going to win very many games giving up that many points.
@Kcmatt7 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
Why didnāt Juan play the first half? Injury? I was late to the game.
Fouls, picked up 2 before the first TV timeout, brought back midway through the 1st half and immediately picked up his 3rd foul.
@wissox said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
Sermons hates us.
Hunter got him on the head on the following through, it was the right call.
@wissox Dejuan has to stay on the floor for a comeback to happen. This team just isn't good enough defensively without him out there. The offense was good enough minus the FT shooting, but the defense has to step up the second half. I would go with Harris, Moore, Mayo, Adams, and Flory to start the second half because that's KU's best defensive line up, but doubt that happens.
Can't guard any better on that last shot without fouling, dude just made a tough shot.
@BeddieKU23 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
The coaching mistakes that continue to happen is really alarming
The 3 big line up has only given up 2 points during the last 4 minutes so I would say that it's actually been pretty effective during this stretch and worth revisiting in the 2nd half.
@SlimShaddy54 said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
K/State shooting 59 % isn
t what I would call defense , how bout you there Wissox ?
I doubt KSU keeps that pace the entire game, but there needs to be adjustments made at halftime and Harris needs to play smart in the 2nd half.
@Zabudda said in Oh how I hate Kansas State.:
We are just missing open shot and layups. Keep playing D.
What defense is this team playing today? They're on pace to allow 100 today, the defense has been pure garbage today without Harris out there.
@BeddieKU23 said in House of The Stubborn Coach (chatgpt):
It sucked to lose both at the time and Zuby certainly had the long term potential that he's obviously now hit. I think he just ended up where he was valued and given the opportunity. Even now he would have been behind Hunt and KJ so in the end it was the best move for him. I don't see any scenario where Self moved on from Hunt.
Zuby played 11 minutes per game last season. He still came off the bench and played comparable minutes to what he would've played here. And if he developed at a similar rate to be a starter level player here, then Self may very have deemed Hunter expendable enough to utilize that NIL money on other players.
@BeddieKU23 I was fine with losing Udeh because I think Hunter is a better overall player. Zuby was the one I was more disappointed in losing because even in their one year, I thought Zuby showed more long term potential than Udeh did and would've been a great back up option for Hunter last season. With a similar growth trajectory, it might've even made KU decide to move on from Hunter after one season like the original plan was and Zuby starts this year.
@Crimsonorblue22 Craig Counsell's son plays baseball for KU.
The Big 12 has announced their official schedule for the 2025 season.
KU's schedule is as follows.
8/23 vs. Fresno St.
8/30 vs. Wagner
9/6 at Missouri
9/20 vs. West Virginia
9/27 vs. Cincinnati
10/4 at UCF
10/11 at Texas Tech
10/25 vs. Kansas St.
11/1 vs. Oklahoma St.
11/8 at Arizona
11/22 at Iowa St.
11/28 (Fri.) vs. Utah
@kjayhawks said in Bounceback night What a sight:
@kuballin10 I thought KJ played well tonight. I donāt mind him playing a little more than Flory if he is having a good game. Saturday was a match up issue and he had no business playing 30 minutes. Flory had some great blocks tonight. The only thing I question is if KJ and Juan played a bit too much at 32 and 25 minutes respectively. Shak had a whopping 2 minutes tonight after only playing 3 in the second half Saturday, sounds like he has entered the Self dog house.
I had to start the game listening on the radio and the radio guys said Shak's been dealing with a sore foot recently, so it may not be him in the doghouse as much as injury right now.
One of Self's mentors, Leonard Hamilton announced he is retiring at the end of this season. FSU has struggled in the NIL era after being a consistent Sweet 16 caliber team pre-Covid.
@drgnslayr said in Meltdown 3.0:
Okay... if it wasn't enough to blow the WVU home opener... we then proceeded to choke on Houston at home. Meltdown 1 and 2.
Okay... if that wasn't enough... we blow a 21-point lead at Baylor, a team decimated with injuries and horrible play this year.
How do we do it? How do we blow leads? How do we manage to play solid one minute, then the next minute look incapable of beating an under-6-foot team?
We've all vented our frustrations already. Self... blah blah blah!
At this point, I think we need to adjust our perspective. For one thing, by now, I think we've all adjusted our expectations, but I'm about to go behind that.
Is this just about our guys playing great one moment, then completely sucking the next moment?
Seems like some of us want to put all the blame on our guys instead of giving some credit to our opponents. Is that fair?
Sports are not about being fair. Period. Sometimes, teams go cold, and others are hot. And it isn't just about attitude, preparedness, or game coaching. That answer doesn't help you if you have your pitchfork out and feel like jabbing Self right now... or a player or two. Sports will always have some level of randomness. That's a big reason why we play the game.
I'm not letting our guys off this easy! Get out the BBQ sauce and prepare to eat!
Players also have to take responsibility for the outcome of a game. "Going cold" should not be enough of an excuse to blow a 21-point lead. Several things had to happen to lose a deficit like that.
Look at our remaining schedule. I can see us going 5-5. Is a 21-11 record good enough to guarantee a tournament selection or must we prove our worth in the B12 tourney?
KU will be in the tournament. This might finally be the beat that KU isn't a top 4 seed under Self though
In the eyes of the selection committee, KU doesn't have a "bad" loss with all of the teams KU has lost to being teams currently in the field. The Big 12 could end up with anywhere from 5-10 teams in the tournament with ISU, Houston, Kansas, Texas Tech, and Arizona pretty much being locks and WVU, Baylor, UCF, Arizona St., and BYU being bubble teams right now.
@BeddieKU23 said in Putting things in context:
No doubt it's difficult to replace legends. My criticism of Bill this year is not a reflection of his past accomplishments. He has adapted plenty over the years, most impressive on the fly at times.
There is a negative trend the past 2-3 years though and I do think a bunch of it centers around the 3 seniors who've been here multiple seasons. Not one of them got better from last year to this year and statistically just about all 3 of them have regressed. So what's the issue there. Bill has had countless guys hit their senior year and that was their best year. We are not seeing it, so what's changed?
They're not NBA talent, that's the difference. Most of the players you're referring to are players that had the talent, declared for the draft after their junior years, went through the predraft process to get NBA feedback, and came back for their senior years as expected and worked on those skills and became NBA draft picks, even if it was a second round pick.
I don't think many actually understand just how much the FBI/NCAA investigations killed KU's recruiting. KU only brought in 3 players from the time the NCAA investigation was announced in the summer of 2020 that became NBA draft picks. KJ and Zach Clemence are still here from the 2021 class that saw Self bring in 8 players (including transfers) and will produce 0 NBA players (only 2 players are still here). The 2022 class included 5 players and included 2 of the 3 NBA picks in Dick and McCullar (nobody from that class is still at KU). 2023 saw Self bring in 9 new players. 1 has been drafted (Furphy), and 1 could be drafted down the line (Elmarko), but only 3 of those players are even still on the roster (Dickinson, Jackson, McDowell), and only one is playing this season (Dickinson). The 2024 class featured 9 new players again with only one looking like a future NBA player (Flory) now. If Griffen learns how to play defense, he could become a draft picks.
That's why KU is in the boat they're in right now. The portal has killed the the 4-5 year players at programs since they don't have to sit out a season anymore. KJ may very well be the last 4 year guy for Self at KU that's a rotation player for 3+ seasons.
@approxinfinity said in Putting things in context:
@Kcmatt7 I agree, but what I wonder is if his reliance on his seniors is an indication that he plans to leave anyway whether conscious decision or not.
I don't see it happening after this season unless it's something health related forcing him into retirement. I do think NIL politics will be what drives him out because we've seen it happen at Villanova, Virginia, and Miami now with some of the other top coaches in the game.
I do think Self is around next year because next year's team will be a legit title contender with Flory, Peterson, and Jackson running the show. I hope Rylan comes back next season because I believe he'd be a great fit with the roster next season. Tiller I think will be a solid player, but he's mostly a below the rim player and misses a lot of bunnies, even in his highlight film and would be better served as Flory's back up next season. He also has limited range so playing him amd Flory together would create spacing issues on offense.
I think a true stretch 4 should be top priority along with a wing if Rylan leaves and a PG if Elmarko has a setback.
We'll see with the 5Ć5 rule what happens with Zeke, but he's a player that struggles against top level competition. KU has played 5 games against currently ranked teams (Michigan St., Duke, Missouri, ISU, and Houston) and Mayo has struggled with shooting in all of those games. I know he was the only KU player in double figures in Ames, but he was still 7-19 from the field and 3-9 from 3.
I said at the beginning of the season that this team lacks NBA ready talent as there's nobody, including Flory, that will be on an NBA roster opening night next October. 2025-26 is a different story as KU should have at least 2 players (Peterson and Flory) that will be on NBA rosters on opening night in October of 2026.
@approxinfinity said in Bu Ku:
We need an anonymous poll feature. I would be curious if the quiet optimists are losing faith as well.
I still think this is anywhere from a R32 to E8 team and will largely depend on the match ups in KU's bracket. This team has multiple wins over current top 10 teams this season so we know that potential is there. The flipside is that KU hasn't beaten a currently ranked team since that Duke win back in November.
@rcjhdraft said in Bu Ku:
@KirkIsMyHinrich His talent ID is concerning at this point. Taking these transfers over someone like McNeeley does not fill me with enthusiasm for next season. And the guard group is just awful. I mean they got absolutely destroyed by Rob Wright
It's not just Self, it's the entire staff. I would not be at all disappointed to see Roberts and Case replaced on staff next season. Our scouting is nowhere near what it used to be and I donāt know what Norm is bringing to the table anymore because he was never a strong recruiter.
Has any Bill Self KU team given up 60 in half before?
Flory wasn't super effective today, but definitely should've played way more today.
@approxinfinity said in Bu Ku:
Did Bill call any timeouts?
He called two early in the 2nd half and only had one down the stretch which he used at some point, but don't remember when he called the final TO.
@approxinfinity said in Bu Ku:
No. Pitiful. Tops even last weeks.
The UH game was frustrating, but nowhere near the worst.
Has there been a worse loss in the Bill Self era than today?