@kjayhawks Tech gave up 79 points today which was the second most they've given up in regulation and third most points given up all year. Tonight and the AFH game against KU are the only two games that the 74 they scored in regulation would not have been enough to win. The OSU OT game was tied at 71 going into OT.
Tech is very capable of making a deep run in March and the best equipped B12 team to do so because of their elite level defense which has only allowed 70+ points 4 times all season.
@kjayhawks Barnes needed to go at Texas. He lost 11+ games his last 4 years (14+ in 3 of those years). He failed to make it past the 1st weekend in his final 6 tournament appearances at Texas and 11 of 16 overall. Texas needed to make a change because they had become very stale under Barnes.
Just because Shaka busted there doesn't mean they weren't wrong for getting rid of Barnes.
kjayhawks said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 If you're watching WVU kick their butts right now, you see my point. Tech is terrible offensively for 2 or 3 games at a time. If they face a team that can shoot the trey and they aren't hitting, they are done. Only time all year they looked good on offense was vs us and that apparently was dumb luck.
This was only Tech's second loss in almost 2 months. Tech's defense can carry them to a deep run.
@kjayhawks Tech can get to another Elite 8 this year. They're the best all around team the B12 has. They're very good on defense and Culver is a star that can carry a team.
@BeddieKU23 KU could easily slip to a 5 seed if they lose to Texas today. Other teams in the 4-6 range still have to make a run in their tournaments which I think some can do to drop KU, but it's definitely not out of the question at this point that KU couldn't drop to a 5 with a loss today.
I would agree that with a win today, KU locks themselves into a 3-4 seed depending on how they do tge rest of the B12 tournament, but I don't see how they're locked into a 4 seed at worst at this point.
Teams that I think could bump KU down are teams like VTech, Maryland, Miss. St., Villanova, Marquette, and Auburn. We don't which 4 seed KU is at this point so Wisconsin, KSU, and FSU could also impact KU.
@HighEliteMajor I never claimed any of that stuff was legal.
@mayjay This was parents paying non revenue sport coaches to have their kids as part of whatever athletics program because of lower academic standards for admissions for most athletes.
The stupid thing to me is that if these parents had just straight gone to the admissions office and say they'd donate whatever amount to the school directly, I'd be very surprised if a school would turn down a $500,000 donation to admit a kid who isn't quite academically up to par.
This story just shows how desperate some people are to have their kids go to prestigious school.
@nuleafjhawk Can beat and will beat are two very different things. KU can absolutely beat both teams as evidenced by the AFH games against each team.
Will KU beat either team is a very different question with a potentially very different answer.
KU is withholding payments because they're claiming there were NCAA violations that came to light during the exit interview process.
kjayhawks said:
@dylans I get what he is saying for the most part, I agree that KU has had the most talented teams. a few Texas (07), OSU(05) and maybe Tech teams recently are arguably right there with us. This year we don't have the developed talent without Doke, SDS and Good Vick. Thinking about some of the games we have lost IMO it had more to do with the other teams out hustling us than it did them having more talent, KSU loses in 2014 and 2015 are prime examples of that. It comes back to a saying I told every player I ever coached "Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn't work hard" and I 100% buy into it.
OSU's Final Four was in 2004 and that team was definitely better than KU, but I don't know if they were more talented though. That was Self's first year and those guys were still adjusting to Self.
I don't know that I would call the KD Texas team better than KU. The only team I would call better than KU during the streak was Oklahoma in 2009 and the only reason the streak got to 14 instead of streaks of 4 and 9 is because Blake Griffin had a concussion and missed the Kansas game that year. A healthy Blake Griffin against Kansas and OU wins the Big 12 in 2009.
@dylans Gonzaga does not have a football program which is required for membership in both the PAC 12 and Big 12. BYU basketball is in the WCC because the Mountain West wouldn't let BYU stay as a non football member.
Gonzaga is already in the highest profile conference in the western part of the U.S. they can be in. The only option really would be the Big East, but the logistics of that would be really bad for Gonzaga because the closest Big East program currently is Creighton which is about 1400 miles and 2 time zones away.
@wissox What conference would Gonzaga join? They don't have a football program which severely limits their options. They only possible option would be the Big East, but would they join a conference where their closest road game is about 1400 miles and 2 time zones away?
@HighEliteMajor Since you keep bringing up the legal system, let's do that now. If this were a legal case, I would still have reasonable doubt as to Vick breaking his agreement with Self to come back to team. The reason being is the evidence is circumstantial at best. That leaves me with reasonable doubt because nobody has been able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Vick violated his agreement with Self.
Since you also like to use Naadir Tharpe on a regular basis, let's look at that evidence as well. The story we were given was that his kid needed medical treatment and he was going to transfer closer to home after he left KU. We were never told the specific medical need and if it required Tharpe to pay because his kid didn't have insurance. If that's the case, then Tharpe going pro instead to earn some money and get his kid some insurance is a logical step for Tharpe instead of delaying a pro career by a year or two and amassing a lot of debt for a medical issue.
@dylans Dedric needs a second big to be effective. He's not a natural low post player and he wasn't good when KU was playing the 4 guard line up. He needs a second post whether that's Dave or Mitch to let him work from the mid range.
Bwag said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 when Self put a time reference on the comment about the locker room, that makes it clear.
I suppose one can ignore that and not make the reference, but that’s sticking head in the sand IMO.
It's still an assumption that cannot be 100% proven unless somebody outright says it was about Vick. Claiming something like that as fact can be dangerous territory without having the whole picture and that's my point.
dylans said:
@Kcmatt7 I’m with you on that besides Kansas football coaches only last 5-10 years at best anyway. It’s not as much of an issue as some try to make it.
They definitely don't last 5-10 years. Mason and Mangino are the only 2 to make it past year 5 in the past 50 years.
wrwlumpy said:
Nobody left from last year except Mitch.
What a team. I always thought that Silvio would be the star this year.
Svi
Malik
Devonte
Svi
Desousa
Garrett did play an increasingly important role as the year went on last season.
@wissox WVU was a terrible loss.
Beat Texas first, worry about Tech/WVU/OU after Thursday night.
I've never thought Carter Stanley was starter material. He's got decent mobility, but his awareness is terrible. He was sacked at a much higher rate than the much less mobile Peyton Bender. Stanley also has a fairly weak arm.
Stanley is a known commodity and hasn't been overly impressive in his 3 years. MacVittie didn't have overly impressive stats at JuCo, specifically his completion %, but he his bigger physically, and has a bigger arm than Stanley.
I think Miles Kendrick is the dark horse in the QB race.
I really don't have any major disagreements with the winners and All-conference selections this year. Maybe nitpicking stuff, but nothing that makes think that person didn't deserve what they received.
@HighEliteMajor Stating an opinion as fact doesn't make that opinion a fact.
You can interpret Self's comments as throwing Vick under the bus all you want, but someone else can just as easily view it as not throwing Vick under the bus and neither is wrong despite what you think.
Until Self, Vick, or someone in Vick's camp comes out says what actually happened, everything you, me, or anyone else has to say about Vick, or any other person that has left the program, is speculation.
Only a handful of people know definitively why Vick is gone and those people aren't talking about.
To say Self is being untruthful about Vick is you, and anyone else sharing that opinion, making an assumption about the situation when none of us here have all the facts. I wouldn't even say Self is untruthful in those situations. I would say he's only giving the public a portion of the picture so as not to embarrass those players.
We can speculate all day long about what the personal matter Vick is dealing with in Memphis that's keeping away from the team, but until someone in the know comes out and says it was Vick's attitude, drug related, or something with his daughter, anything anyone says is speculation and not fact.
All of those things all personal matters and by Self leaving it at that, he's not being untruthful about the situation, he's just choosing not to give the full picture to keep the distractions among the team to a minimum.
KU is at a 9 man rotation with 7 of those 9 players in their first year playing for KU. Garrett and Lightfoot are the only 2 guys who played a minute last year for KU.
There was always a steep curve trying to integrate that many new players into the program at once.
HighEliteMajor said:
Vick not coming back for senior night is giving great credence to the belief that the “story” about his departure was actually a “cover story.”
His mom posted a picture of Legerald 5 days ago — really looked like he was needed back home.
It’s as if we’re stupid.
Self doesn't publicly throw kids under the bus for these issues. Giles was the only person I believe that was forced to leave because of an issue that was known publicly. Other than that, everyone else has been allowed to leave under circumstances that didn't ruin their basketball futures at wherever their next stop was.
@dylans The "neutral" court game Doke missed was the Sprint Center game against NMSU where there was a giant Jayhawk logo at center court.
I don't trust this team outside of AFH because they haven't given a reason to be trusted outside of AFH.
dylans said:
Context: Undefeated on home and neutral courts this season! 3-8 on the road- yuck.
Best news I can announce: NO MORE ROAD GAMES THIS SEASON!!!
Those neutral court games were early season with Doke still healthy.
I don't even know if Kansas wins a B12 tournament game this season. We won't know who the opponent is until after Saturday, but it'll be either ISU, Texas, or Oklahoma. My money would be on Texas being the opponent and needing a win to keep their tournament hopes alive.
Woodrow said:
@wissox like others have mentioned I assume because those two are not playing. That quote is exactly what I was talking about when I said Freshman don’t have the equity in the program yet.
It’s also should be mentioned that payers like Sherron, Frank, and Devonte don’t grow on trees. Dotson might become that but unfortunately he doesn’t have a upper class and to show him the ropes.
Frank and Devonte didn't have senior mentors either. They had to figure out the leadership part on their own.
8 assists on 27 made FG. This team is easy to defend when they don't share the ball like tonight. It's been a problem all season for KU. They have very seldom assisted on 50% or more of their made FG's this year.
When that happens, it makes a team extremely easy to defend because there is no ball movement.
I'm wondering if the streak ending will actually make this team play better in the B12 and NCAA Tournaments because there won't be much pressure on this team and the expectations won't be sky high like normal.
This team just can't play away from AFH.
Don't care about a bank shot, Grimes needs to see shots fall even if they're lucky shots.
kjayhawks said:
Well poopy, guess we will have to start a new streak. Lons a KSU guy, he would throw game to get it away from KU Saturday
OU is still fighting for a tournament bid, he's not throwing anything at this point.
justanotherfan said:
Gorilla72 said:
Lord, please don’t let KSU win the Big XII outright. Their fans will be insufferable! 🙏
Probably, but at last check, 14 is more than 1.
This is the same fanbase that made a DVD in football about their "Decade of Dominance" which included just one B12 title while during that same time frame, fellow B8/B12 school Nebraska won 3 national titles in 4 years while playing for a 5th title and Oklahoma also won a national title.
They will be insufferable and make a Blu Ray about this season regardless of what happens in March with them.
Lol at Scott Drew's combover. He needs to shave that and embrace the horseshoe.
KUSTEVE said:
We are all Purple lil frogs tonite.
And Green and gold Bears as well
Also, Go TCU!
Go Baylor!!
Agbaji is lucky as hell right now!
This team is soft.
mayjay said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Gad, what has the world come to when a Big12 team has to rely on a victory over Wofford to establish its bona fides?
Wofford is currently ranked 24th, that's a good win this year. It's also another top 25 win for KU since KU is one of their 4 losses as well.
@BeddieKU23 An 8-10 B12 record is one thing, but a 6-12 Big 12 record which OU is staring at with games against KU and KSU left won't get them in. Good chance OU is 19-14 on Selection Sunday with only 3 quality wins all season (Wofford and TCU ×2). If that's how OU's season finishes out, they won't make the tournament.
@BeddieKU23 Zero chance the B12 gets 7-8 teams in. OU likely ends up 6-12 in conference and there's no chance a 6-12 or even 7-11 record in conference gets an invite.
Texas probably ends up with 15 or 16 losses going into the NCAA tournament so there's no chance of them staying in the field either.
TCU is also going to need help as they're probably going to be 8-10 and have 13 losses overall going into the dance. TCU also doesn't have a quality win out of conference so that's going to hurt them as well.
B12 is going to be a 5, maybe 6 bid league at most this year.
One thing I noticed is that his hands are extremely weak. He has a a hard time handling hard passes and he gets the ball stolen from him on a regular basis both while dribbling and going for rebounds.
Lonzo is the person in that family I don't despise. LiAngelo and LeMelo are both carbon copies of Lavar as far as loud mouth personalities go. I'd wear Missouri colors before supporting LaMelo playing for KU.
wissox said:
@dtdjayhawk Thanks for sharing. It's too bad really because Jaybate is going to miss the first team to win a national championship that then gets their title stripped from them!
So KU is going to vacate their 2008 title for this?
Louisville already vacated their 2013 title from NCAA sanctions.
Woodrow said:
@BeddieKU23 Saw this as well. If we can play decent ball down the stretch we might be able to sneak onto the 2 line and take Spart'y's two seed. That might guarantee a spot in the KC regional.
KU jumping MSU doesn't put in KC. KU would have to jump Michigan as a 2 seed in order to get to KC. If playing in KC is the goal, KU would be better off as the top 3 seed.
KSU is dependent upon the return of Dean Wade. If his latest injury keeps him out more than a week, KSU probably doesn't even share the conference.
@kjayhawks Grimes needs to focus on other things besides shooting. His defense is still really bad and his rebounding his bad for a guard his size. He is also a subpar passer right now. With a week until our next game, I'd have Grimes focus exclusively on one of those 3 things for Tech.
kjayhawks said:
@BShark @Texas-Hawk-10 We were talking about Moore, not grimes guys
Not how it came across, but agreed. Moore should foul trouble and mop up minutes.
kjayhawks said:
@Kcmatt7 that's what that drive into 3 players looked like. Once Garrett returns he shouldn't see the floor in all honesty.
Just flat wrong.