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@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 outline it.

Jalen 20 ppg

Kevin 12?

Gradey 12?

Juan 9

Kj -6?

Total:57

This D doesn’t have a doke so we can’t hang our hat on it

AND ? what the hell is your point exactly. - you telling me we have scoring machines on the bench - -if we do PLEASE let us know so we can relay to Bill

The point is we don't and playing starters 35 minutes a night isn't going to develop a bench either so when Wilson and/or Dick have an off night like tonight, KU is going to struggle to win games and will have to play low possession games in the 50's which helps keep other teams in games and if they play well, lead to blow outs like tonight.

@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 erase it nah - Zuby will rebound he’s the best of the 4

Well not sure if you know or not but that 6'7 guy your talking about KJ is KU's leading rebounder tonight - so ya lets take him out and put Zuby in. - -I know maybe Zuby gonna score more then KJ - -doubt it - sure Kj only has 4 points - but again leading rebounder this game and thats what we ARE talking about he has 7 rebounds and 4 points. -Right now it takes Zuby or Ernest 5 games to score 4 points. -& KJ much much better defensively then Ernst or Zuby is close to being. - -So really not sure what the hell your thinking is thinking we would be better with them in

All but 1 of KJ's rebounds are offensive tonight. He has only 1 rebound on defense. And this is a big problem for KU because KJ is the worst defensive rebounding big Self has ever had. KU absolutely has to get one of the other post players going because KJ's defensive rebounding is an issue that has to fixed at some point.

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Kevin going 1 on 1 lol dude you aren’t good

My 7 point loss is feeling off should have said 15

@Texas-Hawk-10 - rested or not wouldn’t make a difference

If you say so.

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Mj, Jeter, Kobe whoever would all say excuses

The Butler game three of their starting five played 25, 27 and 31 and bench guys 29, 24 and 23

Then their OT game

UT is a better team as kenpom showed and Vegas knows

That's my point, their bench has played a lot more minutes giving their starters more rest leading into this game amd it's shown with the shooting tonight.

KU is just slow tonight.

In the first 2 games, KU's had 8 players go over 35 minutes in a game including Wilson, Dick, and Harris each game. Tennessee has had 3 player over 25 minutes in agame this tournament. Fresh legs matter and we're seeing it tonight.

@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

KJ is Doke Version 2

Not even close.

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I hate this excuse
UT was in OT yesterday

There is no excuse

Even with the OT, they still had a lot more bench minutes and their first game was a blowout so their starters didn't play big minutes in that one. They are a fresher team, that's a reality.

I also think there's some fatigue setting in with KU. Our starters have played a lot of minutes the last two days and lot of shots look like tired legs.

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Harris is the pg and the best one

He has to score

Bill also has to play mj more someone who will look at the rim

Everyone settle down Harris is the clear best pg by a mile

Harris has when needed which is why he'sover 9 ppg. He's averaging 8 attempts per game which is 4th on team and was 3rd before yesterday. Yesterday was also by far his worst offensive game of the season. His ppg so far is 4 more than last year so I'd say he's increased his scoring this year.

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@DCHawker zags would run us out of the gym just like Fort Myers a few years ago

They can hang 85-90 and we wouldn’t sniff 80 with this squad against a legit D1 team

Zags 19 point beatdown did you watch it? We’d lost by 25 like when we went down to Tech with the Lawson s.

That gym was rocking a completely perfect storm….no team had a chance that night and Texas didn’t miss much

When has Bobby Pettiford shown he's any better offensively than Harris yet? Among the regular rotation players, Harris has the third highest PER behind Wilson and Dick. He is KU's best option at PG so I don't know what you realistically think Self should do because the other options are Pettiford who shoots less frequently than Harris, Yesufu who shoots too much and doesn't pass enough, or Cuffe who hasn't shown to be a P5 level player yet.

This should be an adventure without a real PG on the floor for KU.

Texas beat Baylor to keep their B12 title hopes alive that rest on us beating KSU tomorrow night. I would now like to see a TCU-Texas rematch in Dallas rather than a battle of purple teams.

Missouri upset Arkansas to reach bowl eligibility today and I've seen a lot of bowl projections have KU-Missouri in the Liberty Bowl.

Iowa had a chance to clinch the B10 West today against Nebraska and they ended up losing 24-17 to open the door for Purdue to reach the B10 title game.

@BShark said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

I like the idea of Zach but he needs to actually produce something. We have to start getting something from the bench but especially the 5 spot.

If you take out last year from the equation on Kenpom well

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Zach is the one who provides the most overall upside at the 5 spot. The light won't come on for him sitting on the bench not playing. We saw last year that he has a toughness to him and can rebound.

@BShark Hard disagree. Zach is the only big with any offensive game. Getting him going and being serviceable is hugely important to the long term success of this team. Teams already know KJ, Udeh, and Zuby pose zero risk on offense other than catching lobs and that results in defenses packing the paint and making it much harder for our guards and wings to drive. Zach is the one who can open that up for everyone else because if he starts making some outside shots, he has to be guarded out there resulting in either a mismatch somewhere to be exploited or lanes open for Wilson, Harris, and Dick to drive and get to the FT line more.

Better lucky than good sometimes and KU was lucky today.

PETTIFORD JUST STOLE THAT GAME FOR KU!

Harris costing KU right now. Failure to box out resulting in McCullar fouling out, this turnover because of laziness/exhaustion.

@BeddieKU23 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

Wtf is that call

Gotta box out to keep others out of a bad spot.

So damn lucky to be going to OT.

@DCHawker said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@Kcmatt7 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

KJ is just such a nuisance lol. Plays so hard.

Just wish he could rebound worth a damn.

Actually, he has 5 in the 1st half, which if he could do that consistently would be okay...

Only 2 on defense which is the problem. He is the worst defensive rebounding big man I've ever seen. He sucks at getting defensive rebounds against good and/or P5 teams.

@Kcmatt7 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

KJ is just such a nuisance lol. Plays so hard.

Just wish he could rebound worth a damn.

Getting Rice and Clemence going can open up the offense so much more, especially Clemence. Clemence can create space and open the lanes up for others to drive and help KU get buckets in the paint.

@wissox said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I hate being compared to anything Iowa!

Find the lie in the statement though, lol!

@wissox said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@dylans As was pointed out by FocoJayhawk this is an offensively challenged team in Madison this year.

I compared them to Iowa in football this year.

Looks like Rice checking in.

@DCHawker said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

Wisc -Dayton yesterday was an offensive showcase compared to this....

This game's on a pretty scoring similar pace.

@DanR said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

I'm not ready to give Wisky that much credit for the shit shooting. McCullar has been wide open on all of his clankers

There's a reason they left him open though. Wisconsin's defense is legit. Seems like they're similar to Iowa in football this year. Bad offense, but elite defense that will give them a chance to win most games this year.

What the hell is this line up?

Why is Wilson shooting the technical?

Harris, Pettiford, and Yesufu in together. That is a small line up.

Zach Clemence sighting

Arkansas and San Diego St. has been a great game so far. Hogs currently up 3 in OT in the 3rd place game in Maui.

Louisville's NCAA stuff just got resolved so I'd give Payne a pass for this year and a couple of years to rebuild.

@BeddieKU23 said in 2023 Recruiting:

Brutal, AJ Johnson lands at Texas.

Makes 17 blue chip recruits signed to the Big-12 in this cycle

Good, keeps the Big 12 on top and forces Self to stay on top of his game in recruiting.

@bskeet To be fair, Sac St. is ranked 2nd in FCS and probably better than quite a few FBS teams.

South Carolina and Stanford in OT right now in a 1 vs. 2 game on the women's side. Stanford is going to lose because of a 5 second call, then SC missed both FT's and Stanford got the rebound and called a timeout when they didn't have any resulting in a technical and SC then hit both FT's and ended up winning by 5. This was a great game throughout.

@stoptheflop said in Other games:

Looking forward to Kentucky at Gonzaga at 6:30. Too bad the Chiefs play at 7:20. I sure hope Kentucky picks up another L

Gonzaga is massively overrated this season from what I've seen of them so far. This isn't tge dominant team they've had the last 5 or so years. Sweet 16 is probably their ceiling this year. I'd expect Kentucky to win by double digits tonight.

@benshawks08 said in "Bill Self... needed on Aisle 7, please!:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I’m curious how much value then do you think self brings to a game as it’s happening?

A lot, but as the list I just posted of times KU played like shit and either lost or played a shit team much closer than that game should've been. Sometimes it doesn't make a damn bit of difference what Self says or does in a game, the team just isn't going to be as focused or engaged as they should be. Last night was one of those games because KU clearly wasn't engaged on defense and I don't think Self being on the bench would've changed much. The substitution patterns may have been a little different with Self on the bench, but I don't think it would've changed the final score much. I think it would've been a game where Self let his guys struggle to prove a point.

@benshawks08 said in "Bill Self... needed on Aisle 7, please!:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Bill self is really good at that stuff. Would you say he’s better at that stuff than Coach Roberts?

Yes, but that also doesn't mean that KU hasn't had plenty of games under Self that they came out and played like shit in games that on paper they should've wiped the floor with their opponent. KU shit the bed against SFA and George Mason last season, North Dakota St. 2 years ago, lost to Villanova in 2019 in tge game before Christmas, New Mexico St. and Aruzona St. in 2018, a 3 game stretch where KU went 1-2 against Washington, Arizona St., and Nebraska in 2017, Harvard in 2015, UCSB and losing by 25 to Temple in 2014, Toledo in 2013, Oregon St. in 2012, LBSU and losing to Davidson in 2011, UMass and Siena during the 2008-09 season, Oral Roberts and DePaul in 2006. That's just a list of non-confernce games that KU either lost or were mich closer than they should've been. What happened last night isn't that rare for KU under Self. This is why I don't think it would've mattered if Self was on the bench last night. Last night was a classic hangover game coming off an emotionally draining game.

@benshawks08 said in "Bill Self... needed on Aisle 7, please!:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in "Bill Self... needed on Aisle 7, please!:

@benshawks08 said in "Bill Self... needed on Aisle 7, please!:

Self and Roberts can do everything in the world to get a player prepared for a game from scouting, game planning, motivational speeches, but they can't control if a player is mentally into the game and looking ahead or still mentally and emotionally drained from the previous, then none of that prep work matters or makes a difference.

It is literally the coach’s job to manage players emotions, monitor and affect their mentality, make sure they are ready to play. I’d argue it’s one of the top three things a college coach has to be good at.

Bill Self is very good at that stuff, I'm not arguing against that, but the part that you don't seem to want to acknowledge is that there's only so much that Self, Coach K, Jay Wright, Roy, Wooden, or any other top level coach can do to get a player motivated and amped up. Again, at the end of the day, a player has to have some level of self motivation on their own independent of anyone else including their coach. Everybody has shitty days where it doesn't matter what anyone says to them, they're not going to be fully motivated to do whatever they need to do that day.

Stop acting like players are going to 100% focused and motivated 100% of the time because it's never going to happen, especially when dealing with 18-22 kids that aren't fully developed emotionally as people. And guess what, there's plenty of days where even Bill Self can't get a player amped and motivated. How many times have we heard Self talk about his team's looking like shit in practice? You don't think Self was trying to motivate players on those days and the players just weren't buying in on those days?

I'm sorry, but you will never convince me that games like last night are 100% on coaches failures to motivate a player. Coaches aren't on the floor with the players amd can't execute for the players.

Can I disagree with a gameplan? Absolutely and I think last night's game plan wasn't great, and it was absolutely Self's gameplan, but having the guards leak out instead of ensuring that KU get the rebounds was a bad game plan because of how bad a rebounder KJ is.

Shit happens, and I said KU would still have a game or two like today this season at the beginning of the year because the defense is still really bad.

@benshawks08 said in "Bill Self... needed on Aisle 7, please!:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I think there is something to be said for having a hall of fame head coach yank you from a game and chew you out after showing a lack of effort vs his assistant.

I would hope there is a certain amount of basketball iq and in game adjustment potential lost with self on his couch.

Like @drgnslayr said, if not, what are we paying him for?

Hard to predict what would/could have been different, But to think bill self not being on the sideline has little to no impact is just silly.

And in a game against a directional school sandwiched between a pair of games against ACC teams, players are going to struggle to be as amped up for a game regardless of who's doing the rah-rah shit. Self and Roberts cannot control how a player responds to those speeches or how a player looks at the schedule and sees Southern Utah sandwiched between Duke, which was an emotionally draining game, and NCState. There's a reason hangover games or trap games exist and that's what last night was for KU.

Self and Roberts can do everything in the world to get a player prepared for a game from scouting, game planning, motivational speeches, but they can't control if a player is mentally into the game and looking ahead or still mentally and emotionally drained from the previous, then none of that prep work matters or makes a difference.

Games like last night have happened numerous times under Self in the past which is why I don't think he would've made a difference in regards to player motivation with KU playing flat as hell last night. I'm sure last drove Self nuts, and I'm sure he ripped them a new asshole for it. It also won't be the last time it happens either, and probably not even the last time this season it happens. At the end of the day, KU still found a way to win while playing like shit which hasn't always happened in the past.

@drgnslayr said in "Bill Self... needed on Aisle 7, please!:

@mayjay

Seriously? Coaches don't make a difference in a game's results? Why do we pay him millions? Just for recruiting?

Don't think that was his point and I agree with @mayjay. This was a classic hangover game/trap game that KU has struggled with plenty of times with Self on the bench as well and I said last night that I didn't think it would've mattered who was on the bench last night. The coaches can only do so much to get the players up for a game, but if a player has in their mind that it's going to be a cake walk, it can be hard to flip that switch no matter what the coach is doing/saying.

@AsadZ said in Southern Utah Game Thread:

@tundrahok I am surprised and somewhat disappointed that JY has not scored more. It appears that he still does not have trust of coaching staff.

He's not a consistent player. He had the great run at the end of his sophomore season with Drake, but at the end of the day, he wasn't a consistent scorer or shooter.

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Southern Utah Game Thread:

Big big night by Wilson. Super star kinda night! Gradey and Harris as well.

Some very strange stats tonight. We shot 51% to their 38%, but it was still close.

We scored 50 to their 34 in the paint, yet they outrebounded us 45-41.

I wondered all game about our rebounding philosophy. More than a few times there literally was nobody in the paint to hit the boards. Was it Norm’s strategy to get back up the court as fast as possible and have everybody leak out on break? That was weird.

I think teams have figured out our screen and roll lobs. Gotta go back to class on that one.

Would be ideal if we had two legit shooters parking on the 3 pt line waiting for a kick out.

KJ was nice and aggressive. Like to see that from him.

McCullar. Well, he made some plays at the end. He seems clumsy with his passing and unforced turnovers. Hoping he gets more comfortable soon.

Ha, as I write this I’m watching the postgame…and sure enough Norm said the guys all leaked out from rebounding!

Still think MJ has to work his way into more minutes, and make the most of them for us to be better.

The rebounding philosophy was to have players leak out to try amd get easy fast break points. The problem is KJ can't get a defensive rebound to save his life. This let SUU get 14 offensive rebounds and kept KU from getting out an running as much as they wanted to.

I'm not going to say anything about Norm's coaching tonight because KU's had plenty of games like this with Self as well. How many times has KU lost or struggled in the game before Christmas break or some other random non conference game either right after or right before a big game?

KU wasn't engaged tonight and I really don't think it would've mattered if it was Norm or Self on bench tonight.

Wasn't pretty, but at least they survived.