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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Recruiting:

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What's his baseball future like since he says he's playing both at KU? Is he an MLB prospect?

@approxinfinity said in Dotson & Doke 2nd Team All-Americans:

I rank ESPN as second rate gutter trash, so I guess we are even.

This is the AP team, not ESPN and the reason why is because they took votes from each other.

@nuleafjhawk said in ESPN's Greatest College Basketball Players of All Time Bracket:

Whoever came up with this is an IDIOT. Wilt was a #1 and the OVERALL #1.

No, because it's based ONLY on college achievements combining both individual and team achievement. Wilt only played 2 years, not the 3 that was standard for the time, and didn't win a national championship. Could he have been seeded higher, probably, but based on the criteria, he didn't deserve a 1 seed. When looking at Kansas only careers, Danny Manning was a better Jayhawk than Wilt.

The four 1 seeds all won multiple national championships and all stayed in college the maximum allotted time.

@drgnslayr Bill Self has enough of a history of losing in the round of 32 and Elite 8 that I will never fully trust KU to get past those rounds until it happens. That was also why the writer only looked at a single simulation out of the thousands the program he used ran. The way it worked was using the BPI odds, so basically imagine a 100 sided die and rolling it and whichever team popped up, that's who moved on.

ESPN has come up with something pretty interesting to pass the time since there's no NCAA Tournament this season. They have seeded who they consider to be the 64 greatest college basketball players of all time including both men and women.

Here is the link to the to the 1st round match ups with breakdowns of each player's accomplishments in college and the link to vote for each match up. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/page/playerbracket/introducing-college-basketball-greatest-all-bracket ↗

There are two KU players in the bracket and shouldn't be hard to figure out which two, Wilt and Danny. The four 1 seeds are Bill Walton, Lew Alcindor, Breanna Stewart, and Christian Laettner. The criteria is based on the player's accomplishments while in college, both individual and team accomplishments.

West Region

1. Lew Alcindor (UCLA, 1966-1969) vs. 16. Seimone Augustus (LSU, 2002-2006)

2. Diana Turasi (UConn, 2000-2004) vs. 15. Chris Jackson (LSU, 1988-1990)

3. Oscar Robertson (Cincinnati, 1957-1960) vs. 14. Bill Bradley (Princeton. 1962-1965)

4. Anthony Davis (Kentucky, 2011-2012) vs. 13. Jerry West (West Virginia, 1957-1960)

5. Tyler Hanbrough (North Carolina, 2005-2009) vs. 12. Lisa Leslie (USC, 1990-1994)

6. Kemba Walker (UConn, 2008-2011) vs. 11. Marcus Camby (UMass, 1993-1996)

7. Akeem Olajuwon (Houston, 1981-1984 vs. 10. Dwayne Wade (Marquette, 2001-2003)

8. Sue Bird (UConn, 1998-2002) vs. 9. Shaquille O'Neal (LSU, 1989-1992)

East Region

1. Breanna Stewart (UConn, 2012-2016) vs. 16. Austin Carr (Notre Dame, 1968-1971)

2. Bill Russell (San Francisco, 1953-1956) vs. 15. Doug McDermott (Creighton, 2010-2014)

3. Larry Bird (Indiana St., 1976-1979) vs. 14. Dawn Staley (Virginia, 1988-1992)

4. Ralph Sampson (Virginia, 1979-1983) vs. 13. Pete Maravich (LSU, 1967-1970)

5. Len Bias (Maryland, 1982-1986) vs. 12. Shane Battier (Duke, 1997-2001)

6. Sheryl Swoopes (Texas Tech, 1991-1993) vs. 11. JJ Redick (Duke, 2002-2006)

7. Grant Hill (Duke 1990-1994) vs. 10. Rebecca Lobo (UConn, 1991-1995)

8. Bobby Hurley (Duke, 1989-1993) vs. 9. Allen Iverson (Georgetown, 1994-1996)

South Region

1. Christian Laettner (Duke, 1988-1992) vs. 16. Jimmer Fredette (BYU, 2007-2011)

2. Patrick Ewing (Georgetown, 1981-1985) vs. 15. Jerry Lucas (Ohio St., 1959-1962)

3. Magic Johnson (Michigan St., 1977-1979) vs. 14. Glen Rice (Michigan, 1985-1989)

4. Chamique Holdsclaw (Tennessee, 1995-1999) vs. 13. Trae Young (Oklahoma, 2017-2018)

5. Carmelo Anthony (Syracuse, 2002-2003 vs. 12. Larry Johnson (UNLV, 1989-1991)

6. Chris Mullin (St. John's, 1981-1985) vs. 11. Tamika Catchings (Tennessee, 1997-2001)

7. Candace Parker (Tennessee, 2005-2008) vs. 10. Kevin Durant (Texas, 2006-2007)

8. Danny Manning (Kansas, 1984-1988) vs. 9. Zion Williamson (Duke, 2018-2019)

Midwest Region

1. Bill Walton (UCLA, 1971-1974) vs. 16. Steve Alford (Indiana, 1983-1987)

2. Michael Jordan (North Carolina, 1981-1984) vs. 15. Nancy Lieberman (Old Dominion, 1976-1980)

3. Cheryl Miller (USC, 1982-1986) vs. 14. Chris Webber (Michigan, 1991-1993)

4. David Thompson (NC State, 1972-1975) vs. 13. Brittney Griner (Baylor, 2009-2013)

5. Maya Moore (UConn, 2007-2011) vs. 12. Stephen Curry (Davidson, 2006-2009)

6. Jay Williams (Duke, 1999-2002) vs. 11. David Robinson (Navy, 1983-1987)

7. Elvin Hayes (Houston, 1965-1968) vs. 10. Tim Duncan (Wake Forest, 1993-1997)

8. Wilt Chamberlain (Kansas, 1956-1958) vs. 9. Sabrina Ionescu (Oregon, 2016-2020)

@drgnslayr said in Seth Walder... New ESPN face, same ESPN troll:

What a load of garbage. Markus Howard going off against the #1 defense in America? Howard's big night would be throttled by Garrett. Anything in the paint, smoked by Doke.

Everyone that isn't a Kansas fan wants to come out and tarnish the idea that Kansas is #1 and would win it all in the tourney.

Might as well say that this was the year Wichita State was going to win it all after thrashing Kansas (if they made the tourney).

You say that, but none of that stopped Tech from going nuclear from 3 in AFH. Also don't forget that KU was pretty banged up going into the B12 Tournament. Doke and Garrett were each dealing with ankle sprains which are very easy to reaggravate. If either one of them had done that, KU's road would have been much more difficult.

Let's not act like KU was bulletproof entering the NCAA Tournament. This team had a lot of similarities to the 2012 team and that team had several close calls in the NCAA Tournament and I would argue the 2010 team was better than this team and they fell in the second round.

This was a good team with a good chance to win the title, but KU's had better teams than this that didn't win the title so it's foolish to think someone like Markus Howard couldn't light up KU's defense, especially if Garrett went into that match up at less than 100%.

Doke at Baylor, won Big 12 POY, and became National POY finalist over Dotson because of that game.

@DCHawker said in Seth Walder... New ESPN face, same ESPN troll:

@BShark While that may be the case, this "result" isn't really a BPI issue - it's that they picked just one! simulation, which is patently idiotic. Given that it is ESPN, they probably picked the one in which KU lost the essentially one in a 100 coin flip very intentionally....

This model isn't that insane. The particular simulation the writer used for this had KU losing to Marquette in the second round. Markus Howard is the best scorer in all of college basketball and KU isn't exactly a high scoring team which is one their flaws. Howard is the kind of guy that can single handily beat a really good team.

Without a near flawless team this season, every team had at least one major flaw, this would be a year where some crazy outcomes were possible. In thread about teams people didn't want to see KU face, BYU was a fairly common name to show up because of their outside shooting. Is that crazy to think that BYU could get red hot from deep and ride that to a national title game appearance?

The writer didn't look at the cumulative results to project out, he picked one random simulation because the NCAA Tournament is a one and done tournament and upsets happen.

@wissox said in Games on tv:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I looked at their roster and no Love, but they had Westbrook. @approxinfinity I'm not sure I want to watch it. I recall them making a bunch of threes and us turning it over frequently.

UCLA only made 8 3's in the game and KU did have 21 turnovers, but UCLA had 25 according to the box score. I believe KU's biggest issue was an inability to make shots at the basket missing a bunch of layups and bunnies that game.

Also looks like Westbrook was a non factor that game as he only played 5 minutes.

@approxinfinity said in KU Game of the year.:

I agree it was Baylor. Winning the Big 12 was a big deal. And finishing the season with 15 wins in a row. We haven't finished that hot in a while.

But, the Duke game was a disappointing start and that Dayton game was lit! Super fun watch. True test of our grit.

16 wins in a row.

I would easily say the Baylor game in Waco. I know I'm biased about because I was at that game, but we didn't know just how good Dayton was at the time. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe Dayton was even ranked yet when that game happened. I believe they entered the polls that following week after their run in Maui.

If KU loses that 2nd Baylor game, does Baylor go on their mini slump? That was also the game where KU very loudly made their case for the best team in the country, national title favorites, and Doke as the single most dominant force in college basketball this year. Plus KU beat #1 on their floor.

Biasedly, I'm going with the second Baylor game.

@approxinfinity said in Games on tv:

@wissox I want to watch that Ucla game again. For a game I never rewatched I think about it an awful lot. I remember thinking how terribly unfair it was that we had to play them in California when we were the one seed. I think they also had Mbah Moute and possibly other pros. That UCLA team was loaded.

Did they have Westbrook and Love on that team or were those two on the 2008 team?

KU Athletics sent out an email with the list of games being replayed on their networks through Saturday. All times are Central and all games on ESPNU unless otherwise noted.

Wednesday

6am and 6pm 2007 Big 12 Title game vs. Texas

4:30pm 2019 Maui Championship game vs. Dayton

Thursday

4:30am 2019 Champions Classic vs. Duke (I wouldn't recommend this game since KU lost)

12pm 2019 Maui Championship game vs. Dayton

Friday

7am Kansas vs. Georgia softball on SEC Network (I believe KU was run ruled in this game so I wouldn't recommend watching it).

Saturday

12:30am 2020 Big 12/SEC game vs. Tennessee

8:30am 2016 Triple OT game vs. Oklahoma (1 vs.1 game)

11:30am 2007 Big 12 Title game vs. Texas

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/simulating-2020-ncaa-tournament-real-110503377.html ↗

Some guy from NBC Sports used a simulation program to play out the NCAA Tournament using NBC's last bracket projection. The Final Four ended up being Kansas, Michigan, Baylor, and Michigan St. The national title game was Kansas over Michigan St.

ESPNu just replayed the game again, Doke was so happy to be celebrating with his teammates and was such a Babyface.

@FarmerJayhawk said in # 1 at Real #1 Game Thread:

Possibly unpopular opinion. This group would wipe the floor with the 19-20 Hawks

That's a tough one, and would really depend on which version of this year's team your talking about. I would take the '15-16 team over the 2 big line up version.

That said, I would go with the 4 guard line up version this year's team because of their superior defense. Mason was better at that point than Dotson. Moss and that version of Graham was a push. Garrett was better overall than Selden. Ellis was better than Agbaji. The big advantage this year's team has over that team is Doke. That '15-16 could not stop Doke. Lucas and Mickleson would've been owned badly by Doke.

The only chance the '15-16 team would have against the 4 guard version of '19-20 team is if they went nuts from 3 which they were capable of, but in a 7 he series, I'd take the 4 guard version of the '19-20 team.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Games on tv:

PSA: the Buddy Hield at Allen game on the deuce rn

3 hours too so they're showing the whole game too!

Easily a top 5 game that's ever taken place inside AFH.

@bskeet said in A Fifth Year for Doke?:

@BeddieKU23 I saw somewhere that they were 27-3 but now I see they were 28-3.. so crap. I need an editor!

They were 28-3

@jayballer73 said in Who can shout "National Champions" loudest!:

Interesting, that Coach said in his conference that YES KU would of picked to play in the South region/ Houston instead of the Midwest

This is 3 times now I've been screwed out of seeing KU play in Houston. Damn you VCU (2011), Villanova (2016), and COVID-19 (2020)!!!

Looks like I'll have to wait until 2023 for another shot at seeing KU play in Houston.

Next season would be interesting if KU were in the same position to decide where they'd want to play their regional at with Denver, Minneapolis, and Memphis all relatively close to KU. Denver is the furthest away, but there's a large KU alumni base in Denver. I think Denver is the third largest alumni base behind Chicago and Dallas that's outside the KC metro area and the state of Kansas.

@jayballer73 said in Games on tv:

KU& Texas - - Iowa State & KU yet to come on ESPN Today/Tonight

KU and Dayton from Maui this season on ESPN2 at 7:30 I believe and the Baylor game in Waco overnight as well for those who are night owls and/or don't have work tomorrow.

@kjayhawks said in Next season...:

I think we could be better offensively next season but the chemistry and defense of this team may not be seen again for several years. I think each passing day I get angrier and angrier, this is as bad as a death in the family.

Not even close to a death in the family.

@dylans said in Mourning our loss:

@jayballer73 said in Mourning our loss:

@dylans said in Mourning our loss:

Snob hill, arrogant, wine and cheese crowd, cheaters... we’ve been accused of a lot of things and called worse. - F**k KU chant, GayU, Fly over U etc. KU gets its fair share of hatred my friend. But the arrogance accusations are probably not too far off. It’s not unearned, but definitely unbecoming.

check they're board

I don’t mean us. We could never be arrogant that’s below us. I mean the fan base in general has been accused of it. Don’t kill the messenger (you’re not), but that was the reason I was asking who the board of arrogance is. It could apply to many fan bases.

Any mainstream sports website like Bleacher Report, CBS back in the day and places like that where it's mostly T-shirt fans of every program that gather and give everyone a bad name. Most people that actually went to those schools are reasonable, level headed fans that are fun to converse with.

@drgnslayr said in A Fifth Year for Doke?:

@Jhawk69

You have to make the case that his return will be more valuable to his stock than the risk of injury and loss of a year's income at the next level.

There is the outside chance he doesn't feel ready for the move. He is quite young and a foreign player, still adapting to life in America. Another small chance he wants to come back to get something done here (national championship).

There is definitely room on the roster for Doke to return and start but I sure don't think it is likely.

Doke's stock is as high as it will get. Best case scenario for his stock next season is it stays the same, but next year is supposed to be a much deeper draft class than this year so realistically is Doke's stock probably goes down next season even if he repeats what he did this year.

Doke is at best a situational match up guy in the NBA. With his limited shooting range, he's going to run into defenders that are as strong or stronger than Doke that can take that part of his game away. There's a reason why Thomas Robinson and Cole Aldrich couldn't stock in the NBA and Doke is in the same boat as those two. Big men with limited offensive skill sets.

@BShark said in Next season...:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Braun as well. I think transferring would be the biggest potential risk.

@dylans disagree, there is no reason next year can't be good. I don't even think Mitch should be a big factor. Flexible roster with plenty of good players and athletes.

How could I forget Braun!?!? I don't see him leaving early either.

I don't think any of the 2019 guys transfer out, the one I could see eventually transfer is 2020 recruit Latrell Jossell if he plays to his ranking.

@BShark said in Next season...:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Next season...:

@BShark said in Next season...:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Next season...:

Not really in doubt, but Wilson is staying. 🐦 View Tweet?s=21

Couldn't be my take. Some of the fanbase is nuts man.

Idle minds are dangerous. I think he’s going to be a really nice piece at the 4 if his shot becomes more consistent and if Ramsey works his magic.

If the 19 class all sticks around for JR and SR years that is a super nice core.

I don't see why they wouldn't at this point. Enaruna has the highest NBA ceiling, but like Svi, he's still very raw and needs a lot of refinement first. He's the strongest candidate to leave early to me, but it's all dependent on when the light comes on and he puts it all together.

I've never thought Jalen Wilson was an NBA prospect because he's always reminded me of a poor man's Perry Ellis. I think he'll be a fine college player, but I just don't see NBA in his future.

DaJuan Harris is probably the hardest to get a read on because we haven't seen him on a college court yet. Based on his ranking and size, I wouldn't anticipate him leaving early and I would bet that he ends up a 4 year guy.

Those are definitely 3 nice pieces to have for the long haul as you have the 1, 3, and 4 spots taken care of for the future as all 3 should be rotation guys at minimum. With Gethro Muscadin as well, that's the future 5.

I like the pieces KU has for development in the future and even 2 years of Bryce Thompson which I think is realistic at this point and KU is a dangerous team for awhile as Self appears poised to go on a run of dominance like KU had in the early 2010's.

Doke is eligible for a medical redshirt for either his freshman or junior seasons, but because of his NBA draft stock, there's zero chance Self would even tell Doke to come back at this point.

KU's roster for next year will probably look like this (scholarship players only):

Departing:

Isaiah Moss

Udoka Azubuike

Devon Dotson

Returning:

Ochai Agbaji (Jr.)

Christian Braun (So.)

Silvio DeSousa (Sr.)

Tristan Enaruna (So.)

Marcus Garrett (Sr.)

Dajuan Harris (RS Fr.)

Mitch Lightfoot (RS Sr.)

David McCormack (Jr.)

Jalen Wilson (RS Fr.)

Incoming:

Bryce Thompson

Tyon Grant-Foster

Gethro Muscadin

Latrell Jossell

Positional breakdown (I'm only going to put what I think a player's primary position will be in 2020-21 as most of these players can and will play multiple positions):

PG: Marcus Garrett (Can play 1-4), Dajuan Harris, Latrell Jossell

SG: Bryce Thompson (Can play 1-2), Christian Braun (Can play 1-3)

SF: Ochai Agbaji (Can play 2-4), Tristan Enaruna (Can play 3-4), Tyon Grant-Foster (Can play 3-4)

PF: Mitch Lightfoot (Can play 4-5), Jalen Wilson

C: David McCormack, Silvio DeSousa, Gethro Muscadin

Looking at the roster, I think there are two players who are strong redshirt candidates for next season. Latrell Jossell and Gethro Muscadin both appear to be strong redshirt candidates because neither come to KU projected to leave early and each has a logjam of better players in front of them next season.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28900639/florida-state-senate-proclaims-florida-state-national-champions ↗

At least according to the Florida State Senate. Their reasoning is that FSU, "were favored to challenge the top seeds in the national tournament and take home the national title."

@kjayhawks said in Next season...:

One issue that we haven’t discussed in this is, a postseason ban next season. I would’ve been mad no matter what but if we’d made the final four or won the title this season the sting would be much much less. It’s amazing what pops up when we have a team with a shot. Everything from injuries to NCAA eligibility issue and now a virus.

I don't think the NCAA is going to be worried about KU right now and the other programs they are investigating at this time. They're going to be more worried about the logistics of extending the eligibility of the spring sports athletes.

I'm guessing we won't hear anything about sanctions until next summer at this point.

@approxinfinity The Tigers owner gave Rosa Parks a rent free apartment in Detroit until her death.

There's so many question marks about the roster for next season now because of how the season ended.

I don't see any possibility of Doke coming back at this point. He's worked hard and his draft stock is as high as it will get. He needs to leave regardless of whatever decision the NCAA makes regarding eligibility.

Ochai Agbaji should probably throw his name out there to see if he gets a combine invite (if it happens) and go from there, but I would expect him to ultimately return to KU. I would put it at 90/10 staying/going for Ochai right now.

Devon Dotson, this is a tough one because he will absolutely declare and get a combine invite if there is one. With Dot's decision, I think it will all come down to the feedback he gets from the NBA on whether he goes pro or comes back. I would probably put it at 25/75 staying/going for Dot right now. If he performs poorly at the combine and gets a 2nd round grade, I think we'll see him back

Isaiah Moss is by far the one who will be most impacted by the decision the NCAA reaches about granting an extra year of eligibility to. He's not someone I see with much of a pro future and with an extra year of eligibility, he would probably complete his master's degree. Where does Moss fit into the team next year if he's back? Is he still a starter like he was down the stretch this year or is he a guy that comes off the bench?

Also if Moss is granted an extra year of eligibility, how does that affect KU's scholarship situation with potential sanctions coming as well. Also how do those potential sanctions affect Moss, Dotson and Agbaji's decisions as well? Will the NCAA even get to those sanctions this summer now?

There's so many questions about the roster next season that it's hard to make any predictions with any kind of accuracy.

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Bubble Watch:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2020 Bubble Watch:

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Bubble Watch:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2020 Bubble Watch:

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Bubble Watch:

I think re: winter sports you could treat them all as possible medical redshirts. If they want to come back, apply for a 5th year if they haven’t completed their season. For example, UNC did finish their year by losing in the ACC Tournament so nobody there should be eligible. Anyone whose season was cut short should he eligible and the programs should honor all signed LOI’s. So for us, Doke and Moss should be eligible to come back and we should also be able to add Bryce, Tyon, Gethro, and Lattrell. I don’t think I’d be in favor of giving all winter sports SA’s a redshirt for this year. The downstream effects for smaller AD’s would really hurt their finances. Just limit to seniors who had their year cut short.

I still wouldn't be in favor of extending this to winter sports athletes unless they were already previously eligible for a medical redshirt. It would be too much of a logistical pain in the butt to go through every roster of every sport to determine who would be eligible for something like that. Then you'd have to find out who would take up that offer and figure out what it would do to roster and scholarship numbers. To me, it's just not worth it because then you'll also get other coaches saying why didn't "Player X" get this opportunity as well?

Winter sports are either finished or more than 75% completed and at that point, it sucks, but move on.

I don’t think it would be that difficult, honestly. There’s not going to be many unknowns. Each AD knows who their seniors are and could apply for extra eligibility if they had games canceled. If they don’t want to come back, they can make that decision later. I think the key is just saying if you’re a senior and had games canceled you get an extra year. All signed LOI’s are still valid so rosters will expand for a year. I asked my sister about this yesterday and she said they could do it in hours, especially now that they all have some extra time on their hands.

Would it be fair if KU could bring back Isaiah Moss and UNC couldn't bring back Christian Keeling simply because of the schedule of the conference tournament?

UNC's season was done and KU's wasn't because of the timing and size of the ACC and Big 12 Tournaments so is it fair to tell Keeling that he can't come back because of of UNC having an unusually bad season? What if UNC had beaten Syracuse on Wednesday? Would you give someone like Keeling a full because of missing out on likely one game?

Another issue with your scenario would be Mitch Lightfoot. How would your plan affect someone in his position? A player who redshirts what would be his senior year due to PT issues. Would he have to redshirt another season? What would happen to player at a smaller school in the same boat, but the players in front of him return to school because of your plan and now that player is still stuck without PT. Does he get to redshirt again and now miss two years of games or is that player stuck behind those other players and have to transfer out if he wants to play?

In a situation like this, it needs to be a blanket rule to me. Either everyone (all classes) are granted an extra year of eligibility or nobody is. I don't believe you can cherry pick who gets that opportunity because of scheduling which is something beyond a player's control.

I think so. UNC’s season was over, so he didn’t get anything taken from him. Just use the principle that if your season was completed, you don’t get an extra year. Give Mitch a 6th year if he wants one. He’s going to get a master’s, so might as well let him finish it on scholarship.

I think that’s the case with a blanket rule anyway. If a freshman redshirted to get more playing time down the road you’ve backed up his clock a year if everyone gets another year. Does he take another redshirt year?

Again, my biggest issue with your plan is that you're determining who gets an extra year based on factors beyond that players control and I don't agree or support that idea. This to me is a situation where it needs to be all or nothing. Either every player gets an extra year or nobody does. If you start cherry picking, now you're stacking a select few teams while hurting the majority of teams out there.

I know this would only apply to a very select few, but what about a team that had already lost it's conference tournament, but was waiting to find out if they were going to be in one of the postseason tournaments? How do you determine those teams when those tournaments never got a chance to announce their fields?

This is why a decision like has to be all or nothing in regards to extending an extra year of eligibility because of the NIT, CBI, and CIT not announcing their fields because most of the teams in those tournaments, CBI and CIT specifically, had already completed their conference tournaments.

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Bubble Watch:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2020 Bubble Watch:

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Bubble Watch:

I think re: winter sports you could treat them all as possible medical redshirts. If they want to come back, apply for a 5th year if they haven’t completed their season. For example, UNC did finish their year by losing in the ACC Tournament so nobody there should be eligible. Anyone whose season was cut short should he eligible and the programs should honor all signed LOI’s. So for us, Doke and Moss should be eligible to come back and we should also be able to add Bryce, Tyon, Gethro, and Lattrell. I don’t think I’d be in favor of giving all winter sports SA’s a redshirt for this year. The downstream effects for smaller AD’s would really hurt their finances. Just limit to seniors who had their year cut short.

I still wouldn't be in favor of extending this to winter sports athletes unless they were already previously eligible for a medical redshirt. It would be too much of a logistical pain in the butt to go through every roster of every sport to determine who would be eligible for something like that. Then you'd have to find out who would take up that offer and figure out what it would do to roster and scholarship numbers. To me, it's just not worth it because then you'll also get other coaches saying why didn't "Player X" get this opportunity as well?

Winter sports are either finished or more than 75% completed and at that point, it sucks, but move on.

I don’t think it would be that difficult, honestly. There’s not going to be many unknowns. Each AD knows who their seniors are and could apply for extra eligibility if they had games canceled. If they don’t want to come back, they can make that decision later. I think the key is just saying if you’re a senior and had games canceled you get an extra year. All signed LOI’s are still valid so rosters will expand for a year. I asked my sister about this yesterday and she said they could do it in hours, especially now that they all have some extra time on their hands.

Would it be fair if KU could bring back Isaiah Moss and UNC couldn't bring back Christian Keeling simply because of the schedule of the conference tournament?

UNC's season was done and KU's wasn't because of the timing and size of the ACC and Big 12 Tournaments so is it fair to tell Keeling that he can't come back because of of UNC having an unusually bad season? What if UNC had beaten Syracuse on Wednesday? Would you give someone like Keeling a full because of missing out on likely one game?

Another issue with your scenario would be Mitch Lightfoot. How would your plan affect someone in his position? A player who redshirts what would be his senior year due to PT issues. Would he have to redshirt another season? What would happen to player at a smaller school in the same boat, but the players in front of him return to school because of your plan and now that player is still stuck without PT. Does he get to redshirt again and now miss two years of games or is that player stuck behind those other players and have to transfer out if he wants to play?

In a situation like this, it needs to be a blanket rule to me. Either everyone (all classes) are granted an extra year of eligibility or nobody is. I don't believe you can cherry pick who gets that opportunity because of scheduling which is something beyond a player's control.

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Bubble Watch:

I think re: winter sports you could treat them all as possible medical redshirts. If they want to come back, apply for a 5th year if they haven’t completed their season. For example, UNC did finish their year by losing in the ACC Tournament so nobody there should be eligible. Anyone whose season was cut short should he eligible and the programs should honor all signed LOI’s. So for us, Doke and Moss should be eligible to come back and we should also be able to add Bryce, Tyon, Gethro, and Lattrell. I don’t think I’d be in favor of giving all winter sports SA’s a redshirt for this year. The downstream effects for smaller AD’s would really hurt their finances. Just limit to seniors who had their year cut short.

I still wouldn't be in favor of extending this to winter sports athletes unless they were already previously eligible for a medical redshirt. It would be too much of a logistical pain in the butt to go through every roster of every sport to determine who would be eligible for something like that. Then you'd have to find out who would take up that offer and figure out what it would do to roster and scholarship numbers. To me, it's just not worth it because then you'll also get other coaches saying why didn't "Player X" get this opportunity as well?

Winter sports are either finished or more than 75% completed and at that point, it sucks, but move on.

Just coming across is that the NCAA is going to grant an extra season of eligibility to all spring sports athletes. They are looking into the same for winter sports athletes as well.

A good first step for the NCAA and surprising to see how quickly this came about. The NCAA still needs to work out the logistics for the spring sports, but since none of those are revenue generating sports, I’m guessing they’ll do an exemption on the number of scholarships and athletes for the next 3 years in accordance with limits already in place for each sport.

Just coming across is that the NCAA is going to grant an extra season of eligibility to all spring sports athletes. They are looking into the same for winter sports athletes as well.

A good first step for the NCAA and surprising to see how quickly this came about. The NCAA still needs to work out the logistics for the spring sports, but since none of those are revenue generating sports, I'm guessing they'll do an exemption on the number of scholarships and roster sizes for the next 3 years in accordance with limits already in place for each sport.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in 2020 Bubble Watch:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I know, that's why I say wait and see. I'm afraid myself. Gotta be a way.

There's not a way this can realistically be done without knowing when the spread of this virus will subside enough to start organizing stuff. It's taken China roughly 3 months to start getting this thing under control. Fast forward 3 months and it's mid-June before something could realistically be put together. By that time, seniors will have graduated and moved onto their phase of life in whatever job they have lined up for their post athletic career.

Most of the top college stars will be long gone from campus training for the NBA and depending on how they adjust their schedule, may have already been drafted to a team so would that NBA franchise want to risk that player's future in the NCAA Tournament at that point?

Even if something could be cobbled together at this point, the tournament would be watered down from a lack of top talent playing in it that we wouldn't have a real champ.

It sucks because of how good this KU team was and they had a real good shot at the title this year, but it's not realistic to be able to put on an event of that magnitude with so many moving parts and unknowns about when it could even happen.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in 2020 Bubble Watch:

They could've pushed pause and regrouped. Got some coaches and experts together. Pretty quick decision. This thing could get worse, no doubt. But? Maybe just play top 20 teams? Test teams. Something

Again, the issue is when would the tournament be played? We don't know when the virus will be contained enough to allow for the travel of players, staff, officials, and fans to compete with minimal risk. There was a ref at the CAA Tournament that tested positive yesterday so now you have those teams affected by this.

This isn't like the NBA where you could push the season by into July or August if needed. Most of the seniors in the NCAA/NIT wouldn't be able to play at that point because they'll have started their post academic careers in the private sector.

There's a pretty hard deadline of when you could realistically play the NCAA Tournament and that's May. Let's say the NCAA tentatively set the NCAA Tournament for May to conclude on Memorial Day. What happens when the NBA and NHL resume and there's a conflict of schedule between the NBA/NHL/NCAA on a game day because that would be a possibility.

The NCAA Tournament runs in 14 venues and and depending on how the NBA and NHL resumed their seasons, 7 of those 14 venues are home to NBA and/or NHL teams so there'd be logistics of working those conflicts out and that's just for the men's tournament. On the women's side, you'd have 2 more venues that could run into conflict with the NBA in New Orleans and Portland.

There's just too many question marks and hurdles for the NCAA to realistically put on the NCAA Tournament this season.

@approxinfinity said in 2020 Bubble Watch:

@Texas-Hawk-10 It seems like the right hting to do is to not cancel the tournament. I wonder if they can walk that one back if things get under control.

There's several issues with trying to reschedule the tournament that made cancelling it the right call and Jay Bilas did a great job of explaining those issues. I'm not going to go into detail, I'm sure you can YouTube his statements because he made them on just every morning show on ESPN.

Basically it has to deal with time. Trying to rebook 14 venues when we don't know when the tournament would even be able to safely take place is the biggest hurdle. Another hurdle wants going to be TV. Most people wanted the tournament postponed thought it could be played in May. That's when season finales of shows are so now you'd be looking at rearranging the schedules for CBS/TBS/TNT to accommodate that. On top of that, when/if the NBA resumed around that time, there would be a chance to competing against the NBA Playoffs which TNT broadcasts. The other big hurdle would be the players themselves. Without a known date for when the NCAA Tournament could happen, guys like Dotson and Doke likely wouldn't be in Lawrence at that point any way. They would be off in some other city training for the NBA Combine gearing up for that.

Postponing and playing at a later date is a great idea in theory, but when the actual logistics of making it happen come into play, cancelling was the only real option the NCAA had.

Been watching ESPN a lot this morning because I have nothing better to do at this point, the discussion about granting an extra year of eligibility to impacted seniors has been one of the hot topics today.

Thinking about this practically and objectively, I don't think I would support granting an extra year of eligibility for winter sports athletes because most of those sports were either already complete or very near completion.

The issue you'd run into for winter sports programs is a program like Iowa St. men's basketball this season where they finished their season with a loss to Oklahoma St. and would not have competed in any of the postseason tournaments. Would it be fair to give those seniors an extra season of eligibility when they completed their entire senior season?

To me, the winter sports would be too messy to try and grant and extra year of eligibility when those sports were very near completion.

The spring sports are another issue though. Those seasons either hadn't started yet or were still pretty close to the beginning of their seasons. Those are the sports I would look at the logistics of granting every athlete in those sports an extra year of eligibility and granting an exemption on scholarship limits in those sports.

Baseball for example allows 27 players to divide up 11.7 scholarships. Allow programs to go to 33 players for a recruiting cycle and grant 14.6 scholarships to keep the ratios in line with current NCAA limits.

Obviously not all of these athletes would take these deals because some like baseball players may get drafted and decide to begin their pro careers and some decide that because they are graduating this year, would rather transition into their post academic careers.

I would love to see this option extended to spring sports athletes should they want to go that route.

@approxinfinity Thank you.

Just in case anyone is wondering, the asterisk is not for the NCAA, it says COVID-19 at the bottom of the banner.

Not surprising at this point, but the McDonald's All-American has been canceled now. The game was supposed to be here in Houston and I was planning on going to see Bryce in person, but guess that ain't happening now.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9otuzfBsNw/ ↗

Some fun that Holly Rowe and Doke had this morning at Sprint Center.

@BShark said in NUMBER ONE IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE KANSAS JAYHAWKS:

We end the season #1 by every metric. BANNER.

Agreed, the NCAA should declare KU the men's champs and South Carolina the women's champs. Bummed I don't get to see Sabrina Ionescu chase a title this tournament.

And now pretty much every district in the Houston area that isn't on spring break next week will be closed for the week.

Several school districts here in Houston have started postponing classes for the next week.

Disney is shutting down Disneyland in California until the end of the month. We're going to end up like Italy in shutting down the country at this point to slow the rate of infection and not overwhelm our healthcare facilities.

Another potential issue with postponing the NCAA Tournament is how many teams would be missing players because of those players focusing on the NBA Draft at that point. Would Doke and Dotson play at that point in May or would they already be off campus at some training facility getting prepared for the NBA Draft Combine.

There's just too many factors involved to feasibly host the NCAA Tournament in May.

@bskeet said in NCAA Tournament: Should it happen?:

They could have moved the midwest regional to AFH. It's been hosted there in the past. I think they could have found the venues.. but yeah, media contracts and the insurance liability... I'm sure it's all very intricate. But super disappointing.

Hotel capacity in Lawrence is why AFH doesn't host games anymore. As many fans that travel to the NCAA Tournament now, cities that host games have to have the hotel space and Lawrence doesn't have the hotel space. That's a big part of the postponement issue as well.

Another heartbreaking story is Doke. The only way he was going to get to see his mom this spring was if KU reached the Final Four and could pay for his mom to fly in from Nigeria. I'd love to see the NCAA waive this rule for a one time exception and allow KU to fly Doke's mom in for his graduation.