@approxinfinity I think that’s fair

I also think last year with McCullar healthy we don’t lose the wvu game - he propels us over the top with a defensive play like he did at home against OU….

Don’t have that ability with any of our little 3 or the transfers. Kev is the best nba prospect between last years team and this years (Flory is long-term but not playing at that level like Kev did last year)

@dylans Haha are we better - sure - by much - no. We are 3-4 in big 12, 3-5 seed and rd 32/swt 16 team

It’s “nice” but that isn’t Kansas standards of having a team that we all know has a legit shot at a title and is a top 5 team

2019 - Auburn blow out

2020 - robbed Doke and Dotson

2021 - USC blowout

2022 - Remy saved Self’s arse but he believes Juan is the greatest pg at KU off all time and KJ impacts games like Ochai moving forward

2023 - Musselman shows he doesn’t workout

2024 - Zags blow out

50% second round blowouts
16% second round tight loss
16% title
16% - I think we make final four not sure we win it all but man that year eats at me

@MR11 So you are confident and believe we will win the big 12?

@MR11 What have you see this year from this group that makes you feel like the year won’t end like last year or the year before?

Every team in the coaches poll 1-12 is better than us and we’d face them in the sweet 16. I think we are a 3-5 seed so we’d face the 4/5 rd 32 and the 1 by the sweet 16…..

Our ceiling is making the sweet 16

Our most likely out is another second round drubbing or we keep it close but just can’t score enough when it counts (go figure welcome to 2025 college ball)

Nightmare is Sanford like team actually nips us

@approxinfinity Do you feel like we honestly have a real chance to make a final 4 and win a title this year?

Hey some things are still the same but let’s not talk about those because no way the coach has ever screwed up lineups, minutes or rewarding guys with low ceilings or major issues

Let me know who on this roster is an nba player (hint there is 1 and only 1)

@Jhawk69 The big 12 has shown it is anything but brutal with all the ncaa tourney proof year over year. Besides Texas tech’s run pre covid and Baylor’s covid magic - big 12 is constantly underperforming in the tourney

If we’d beat Ark we’d been trounced by uconn the next round as many fans have admitted

We didn’t have a legit team in 2023 to win it all with Juan and kj playing big minutes….

@Jhawk69 Love the sarcasm here but typically we have 1 random dumb loss in dec non con before break and 1-2 random losses in big 12 play while typically holding serve at home

We’ve been beat in the second round a lot and had a ton of blowout losses dating back these 2-3 years and the same issues are reoccurring

When you see that same playbook ran at us with no adjustments and more L’s than ever (20-14 in 2024) it causes concern

As a program it is unfortunately trending down and we all know what’s coming in March - second round or sweet 16 loss as we have no real shot to win a title (with teams like isu, Florida, uk, tenn, aub, Bama, Marquette)

We are that 12-20 range especially in the tourney

That’s frustrating for the expectations of this progrum

We supposedly have the best coach in the game, great nil, no ncaa over our head now for a few years and we’re supposed to be “the team” as Bill road off into the sunset with 1-2 more wins - because everyone wants to play for him now….

This was all after 2022’s win and look at what we’ve rolled out now for 3 straight years…..it has been the opposite of the motto #levelup which was after Bill’s heart issues

@approxinfinity said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

I’ll say it so @kuballin10 doesnt have to: Self used his personnel well today. People were used in the roles they were intended to be used and they responded.

I love Shak - quick, defends and PUSHES the ball up the floor and ATTACKS (he’s the opposite of d2)

I wouldn’t get too high or think it’s fixed because kj and Juan were guarded. UCF didn’t follow wvu, creighton or mu’s scout but no shock because dukies are never as bright as they think of themselves 😂

Does Bill practice guys not guarding kj or staying in the paint in practice or guys playing way off Juan?

Nice false hope W but the next gauge game is at Cincy and at isu to see how much we’ve magically improved (was a good bounce back but don’t get too high from it)

It’s comical as Bill hates giving up easy baskets but we do constantly against pnr and Bill loves man to man and hates junk d’s or zone…….YET

He’s getting schooled by guys literally not guarding his favorites! Haha I’ve been doing this since coaching ball entirely.

Modern defense is two options:
1) Let the 4-5 option on offense shoot and barely guard them unless they set foot in the paint. They hit 2-3 three’s great let them shoot 20-30 times because they will hesitate knowing it isn’t their “role” on the team - what teams do to KJ and Juan

2) let the main guy shoot 40 times and score 50 but stop everyone else or hold them to 10 points (offensively score 70 and win 70-60) - this is the Edey mode let him shoot everytime. He may make 50% but glue to everyone else and you win

The standard “tough man to man” is completely dead. Basketball is following football just way behind. Make guys beat you with their weak offensive guys (Bill Belicheck methods)…..if Creighton can school Bill than anyone on This board knows how to defeat this squad this year

@BShark Yet he still gives him a ton of minutes and draws up plays for him constantly and at crucial times

Make it make sense (you can’t)

@Jhawk69 Literally has coit and flory near coaches than 2 coaches separate rest of bench as if “this is my 7”

He’s mind effin them like a child

UCF scout sucks as they are guarding kj out to 3 point line

We will win today if they do that

@approxinfinity said in Other games 2024-2025:

I havent watched Alabama this year but Grant Nelson and Lebaron Philon look pretty good statistically.

Studs but Grant couldn't come here because Self promised KJ the 4 spot (right after he played the 5 for us)......and lol NO WAY IN HECK Philon was getting the keys over Juan even though NBA >>>>d2

Bill's favorites >>>>recruiting better players to win

@kjayhawks We are going to have a lot of blowouts on the road....not in our favor

@kjayhawks said in West Virginia- a game finally:

@Jhawk69 said in West Virginia- a game finally:

AJ and Rylan are not playing good basketball and they are causing our struggles. They are not the only factors but are the biggest factors by far. I find that fact to be obvious. Is there anyone who disagrees?

Yes as well as KJ @Kcmatt7 said and as I said above it’s because they are scared of getting yanked at every wrong move. They ain’t playing free minded in the slightest

Genius and not difficult to see. I've harped on this though with Bill on many many freshman. He gives leashes to a few but he just absolutely hates some.

He's the literal parent that plays favoritism and unless you have 4 years here to fix it he won't view you any differently. You show up and within an few practices he either likes how you play or doesn't.

AJ was brought in as a volume scorer who couldn't defend well or rebound

Self tries to make he rebound and defend and in the process kills his aggression so now he's left with a guy who can't score anymore either....took the Alpha right outta him

I got connections with the Bama program and don't be surprised to see Rylan jump back there this offseason. He's tired of watching guys get to play through mistakes after getting blasted in the RD32 last year while he played big minutes and contributed in a final 4

@Kcmatt7 Yeah 2 new guys are the issue that play 10 minutes a game not the 3 guys who have played together going on 2 years while playing 30-35 mpg.....YOU NAILED IT!

@Texas-Hawk-10 Remy had 1 mishap down in Orlando when he drug his man too close to Big Dave on the last second play when Bill was drawing it up for our 4th scoring option (way to go Bill - trying to outsmart them all when you have Ochai & Braun & Wilson)!

Yeah actually you are 100% wrong. Bill does have blind loyalty and does play favorites. Would you like proof?

Picture this - Marcus Morris (4 man) just played in a game where he got 2 points and 1 board and we lost. Bill would be all over Marcus having to be a better player for this team to reach its potential. He wouldn't throw other guys under the bus.

Instead of mentioning KJ's AWFUL performance - he drew the last play up for him no less and talks about starting 3 bigs. He doesn't once mention the 4th year player needing to contribute more especially a 4 man who flat out sucks at rebounding (never allowed on a Bill Self team - he was reluctant to go to 4 guards cause he is afraid of rebounding but Svi proved OFFENSE >>>> defense).

What's Self do - he slams AJ & Rylan. It is simple - when Juan and KJ fumble the ball for a turnover literally at the elbow he doesn't throw his hands up in disguist. He doesn't throw his papers on the ground EVER when D2, Hunter or KJ do ANYTHING negative.

Yet, the second AJ or Rylan do ANYTHING REMOTELY poor he is absolute throwing papers like a child in disgust as if HOW DARE THEY NOT PLAY A PERFECT GAME.

Perfect game you say Self----how the efff has KJ done you dumb@$$. Yeah the same KJ that DOMINATES A GAME LIKE OCHAI......geez he's so blind and you are as well if you can't see it.

He doesn't grant every guy the same encouragement or leash. Instead of encouraging AJ to go dominate he's messed him up (billy's own words) and instead of running plays for Rylan to hit 3's (elevator play) he doesn't call trash.

The State of the Program: 2019, 2021, 2023, 2024 and about to be 2025 all teams with ZERO final four chance. 2023, 2024, 2025 all have 2 players in common and 3 if we just go 2024 & 2025. These players Self values things that don't win.

You know what I haven't heard much of lately.....how much Juan and KJ are winners.....HUH WONDER WHY? Because people can literally judge talent and roster construction better than Bill. What he values won in 1990 and early 2000's consistently but not in today's game.

Instead of Koby Brea chucking 3's here he'd be in the doghouse cause he didn't rotate defensively well enough on ONE play MEANWHILE KJ, HUNT AND JUAN BLOW ASSIGNMENTS ALL GAME AND PLAY.

I've never seen a KU team get blown out and play so poorly on the road until the Lawson bro's and we are about to have 3 straight years of this trash #levelupnahleveldowndumb@$$ - #adjustorretire

@BShark2 knows........

@approxinfinity Tarik was a transfer in right? KJ is a 4 year player and what 3 year starter and in Self's mind he contributes as much to a game as nba player Ochai Ogbaji.......there is 0% chance actually negative % chance that KJ doesn't start.

The only way he doesn't start is if he's injured....

@approxinfinity For who? If you say KJ I’m going to laugh :)! Self will never I repeat never sit KJ and we all know it

@Texas-Hawk-10 I just argue my point and people can’t argue back so they either name call, or block me.

The ad nauseam comment is I’d say due to the exact same style of playing for two years with the with minimal adjustments or minutes changes. The adjustments that have been made aren’t working and our hof coach is on the sidelines looking dumbfounded because he can’t figure it out.

How did Remy buy-in in your mind?

He didn’t play any different D than he did earlier in the season. What happened just like many years is the offense stalled because of the archaic positioning of players and Remy came in and showed he can get his shot off and create offense when Self’s fails. Very much Mahomes to Andy Reid….when the play breaks down Mahomes just overcomes it

Remy showed this in big 12 play and his offense not defense is what helped us and continued through March.

He had 1 game saving block but if you watch his defense he’s very jitterbug like - like coit or Yesufu. He was never some outstanding defender and even in the replay of those games he had missed assignments….

@Texas-Hawk-10 Haha as I was typing that I was thinking about what you’d say cause I’ve harped over and over about DeJuan 😂 - pot has met kettle for sure!

I can take a ribbing so keep it coming

Boards are to talk about the squad, bs back and forth but I never take it too seriously even when I’m ticked at Self

@dylans bless your heart….

You are like a talking parrot that repeats the same thought over and over

For proof yet again and I’ll repeat myself….please reference my posts during the Duke game this year as they were all positive and @approxinfinity can attest

I talk about the team but I heavily weight big games or when they play bad

When we play some crappy big 12 school at home and roll or some non con average team and roll that doesn’t show me anything. Opponent strength matters….

@SlimShaddy54 It’s something fans hold dear but truly is meaningless

People say hey it shows consistent winning but based on other big 12 teams not doing anything in the tourney 90% of the years it was a step up from what we hammer Gonzaga over dominating a weak conference

I’d trade the streak for 1-2 more titles without blinking an eye

Titles are all that matter

@dylans It isn’t uninspired……the team lead by 3 guys is going on another season of the exact same L’s

They just aren’t that good is the reality

I think they could be decent but the HOF coach isn’t maximizing his players and playing to their strengths let alone playing the right players to their potential….

Wait for the next 4 with 3 of them on the road.

If we don’t win at ucf we will start conference play 1-4

@SlimShaddy54 Glad you are coming on board

He always has the quick hook with certain players and not with others

And who he trusts and allows that longer leash to has always been the guys that lower the ceiling of the team each year

It’s been so bassackwards for decades it is finally catching up with him because ncaa allowed the super seniors ect

His decision making for who he grants trust and who he doesn’t has been proven poor

Lastly, you are 100% correct if you’ve played any competitive sport at any level. If you know that if you make 1 mistake you are put on the bench you play tentatively the entire time trying not to mess up

No one plays an entire game without making a mistake so it’s comically bad how he operates

Bill made his bed and now gets to lie in it with his pathetic coaching thought process

People see results but ignore the ncaa’s because “it’s luck”……we had luck help us once and we haven’t made our luck much because of his high low trash offense and horrible defensive principles that don’t work in 2024

If it weren’t for kalkebrenner getting hurt 2022 doesn’t happen same with bacot. Even Self has admitted 2022 “everything lined up for us”…

@dylans 20-14 in the year of 2024 and a losing record in big 12 play but yeah keep thinking it is humorous

We are becoming Indiana right before your eyes but you won’t see it until it’s too late - suit yourself

Hunter hasn’t ever won anywhere he’s been and now I can see why because he can’t defend, block shots or board anything outside his 2 inch vert

Mayo turns it over but he boards better than our 4 man and has taken to it because he has a longer leash. Took Bill a few games to figure this out

If you are a transfer that comes here and doesn’t play D according to Bills trash standard (see our ratings for the last 7 years) than you get the quick hook and no leash

Offense wins in todays basketball and Bill’s methods on both sides of the ball suck

Dude wants to play 3 bigs…can’t be more disconnected from todays game and reality than that even if it was in jest…..he’s more apt to do that vs 4 guards around Bidunga

Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Roll the core 3 and every dumb KU fan in his moms basement said “yeah that won’t work” - Bill - “I’m smarter than you I’ll prove it” - gonna result in 3 straight 2nd round losses and 5/7 years with multiple blowouts of 25-35 points in the ncaa tourney and more talk or “we uh uh gotta get more athletic and longer” #leveluphellnoleveldowndumb@$$

Bills wrong but he values crap that doesn’t translate to the highest level of basketball

There’s a reason why we get down and then start to fastbreak and go figure we come back

Bill wants no easy baskets yet gives up dunk after dunk as guards hammer hunter on the pick and roll. He’s going against his own principles but is too stubborn ane sawft to change

Same when we throw it inside and Hunter has the ball STICK and NO ONE CUTS OR MOVES!!! Trash 1980’s offense

Bill slows the game down and limits possessions which has been proven how you keep good teams in games as they want to limit possessions….common practice for any sport when you aren’t as talented and can’t score with another team.

If the trex arm Morrii every rebounded like kj they’d be railroaded by coach for not hustling

Kj hasn’t rebounded for 4 years but man does he hustle is all we hear. He never hustles to the glass…..

What happen to the offense running pnr with Juan and kj? That’s completely disappeared and we cooked missery with it two years ago….

@rockchalkjayhawk said in West Virginia- a game finally:

-- If this were baseball ... it's time to send Storr and Griffen to outright waivers. Would we miss them? Not tonight for sure. What purpose do they serve? They are stiff as boards and shit their pants every time they get in the game.

Storr - 2nd team all big 10 averaging 17 a game

Griffen - third leading scorer at 11 ppg on a final 4 team last year

They now look like they’ve suddenly forgotten how to play basketball……this has been a theme with transfers so is it the transfer who’s the issue or the coach?

Answer is plain as day but homers don’t want to admit it

WVU missing two starters, brand new coach and looked lightyears better than us
Nice to see Joe play loose!

Kj 2 points 1 board in 28 minutes

Bill plays nba guess less minutes and gives kj all the leash in the world

Text thread with former players looking real juicy right now!

Games past Bill by and his lack of adjustments are asinine

Last play was a great call to the wrong effin player

Throw it to Hunt or Flory or Zeke but don’t throw it into Kj so he can’t even get a shot up

Self is so disconnected from the reality with this team. He doesn’t maximize his roster and never has. It’s break them down military style to gain his trust then you can do no wrong. If you get on the wrong side of his trust you are screwed oh and if you are new you are screwed

This game showed me what I’ve known all along

I’d trade our 1 and 5 for their 1 and 5 in a heartbeat

Small was interested but Bill can’t sit his favorites or recruit over them

A stud pg who can score, defend and beat his man consistently off the dribble

A 5 man who is athletic as heck, defends the entire halfcourt/and rim and dunks everything

@BShark Dang that coming from you is rough….

levelup!

Flory flory flory!!!

Play flory more!!! Around 4 guards Bill!!!

Flory what a move! Best post move by a KU big today

@patoh3 Short lived I’m honest to admit

I’m just sick of this trash and Bill valuing stuff that doesn’t win titles

@DCHawker Because our coach can’t figure out how to have Hunter defend a ball screen so teams just annihilate us on it

@patoh3 I was here positive and raving all Duke game but hey let’s ignore those facts and be the media just focusing on the negative

Flory and Hunter

Bill you’ve lost your mind brother

@patoh3 maybe try 4 guards to score???
20 points in a half

We might win 1 road game all year…9-7 trash

@patoh3 Coach has the choice not to play him….

@BeddieKU23 I thought this is a trolling and blockable take?

Honestly Juan’s lack of looking to score sucks BUT

The biggest issue is hunter’s defense is so poor it makes his offense irrelevant

And

They don’t guard kj and he can’t do anything offensively

Teams just coaching circles around Bill and he’s lost this team

Just like Saban bowed out Bill will do the same

Wvu more athletic and better coaches this “Bill’s 1990’s way”

@Texas-Hawk-10 - I haven’t fact checked this from TOS but if true I think it settles our debate about O vs D importance last year

It’s why I’m hammering 4 guards

“No team outside the top 10 in offensive efficiency has won the title in a decade and no team not named UConn has won it from there since Carmelo Anthony. If the goal is a national championship, we need solutions on offense.”

@patoh3 thanks for the breakdown much appreciated

So not even 3 full minutes…he subs in kj to be a better rebounding team yet he isn’t good at that….odd eh

@BShark I’ll take Bama retreads all day

Sec is still deepest conference and king even if a big 10 team takes it all. Dogs defense gonna shut Ohio st and Oregon down though…..

@Texas-Hawk-10 There’s no place in all of basketball like AFH. Glad you saw a dub and enjoyed it

I’ll be going with my Dad in a few weeks (he can’t keep a secret when it comes to Christmas presents)

I didn’t watch much but glad to see Mayo did his thing

For once I wasn’t mad seeing Juan not do much as this seemed like a “defer and get others confidence game”

Did we run any 4 guard lineups or did Bill see that worked but crap on it like he did in the press conference and is sworn to never go back? Wonder how he can’t see that even if the defense is slightly worse the offensive efficiency is so much higher….wonder if he and the staff even look at that sort of data

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Ben’s a stud coach….see if he can recruit though

@approxinfinity My wife and I were watching as she’s a solid soccer player back in the day

The announcers call of the goal was phenomenal….one of the best I’d ever heard (I’m not a soccer guy but his excitement had me on the edge of my seat)

Bill would rather be slightly better defensively and significantly worse on offense than

Way better offensively and just slightly worse defensively

Him sticking with 2 bigs and giving Zach Clemence run is comically bad. I’ve never been more frustrated with Bill than this year. Recruit these guards to play 4-1 giving hunt more space and proceed to play 2 bigs almost all game - every game

Adam Sullivan
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Kansas is now 503-46 when scoring 70 or more in the Self era

KU is 112-100 when scoring under 70.

kubball

I mean seriously is Self trolling????

He surely can’t forget that 4 guards got a team to overachieve and make it to the final 4 with Svi shutting down Bagley in the elite 8

I mean he can’t say - “wow that 4 guard lineup uh uh did some good things. Looks like spacing was better for hunt to operate down low (which I love) and we extended the league almost double while still holding them to 1 shot defensively which means we rebounded well against two bigs”

Instead he’s negative and acts like it didn’t work because he’s literally that freaking stuck on his predetermined thoughts on a player

Dude reminds me of my in laws who favor one kid so blatantly and whatever that kid says they take well and positive. If the other kid offers suggestions that kid gets crapped on no matter what

Bill’s got some issues with favoritism and man is it holding us back right now