@HawkChamp Considering they have probably slept about 2 hours a night while freaking out as they undergo a national media crucifixion, maybe they were just totally exhausted. These kids are not, and couldn't be, used to the stresses they have been through.
Maybe give them a little benefit of the doubt before ascribing negative character flaws?
@Texas-Hawk-10 I am blaming it on Iowa State.
I know, let us all turn on each other like preschool soccer players! That will make us feel better!
18 pt KSU lead, 13 min left.
@BeddieKU23 Not when he is surrounded, especially! Twice when 3 guys around him in last 5 minutes.
I think Frank needs to say, BIFM to his own team to wake them up!
I would like our players to revert to just making careful passes rather than going for spectacular ones!
@HawkChamp He has said nothing but good about FM.
@BShark Whew! I thought this was a link to another KCStar imbroglio!
@stoptheflop Thanks. I was trying to figure out a bug that is universally despised. First half was good. I just hope these particular roaches aren't the survive-a-nuclear-war type!
Blowout today! Self is going to hypnotize the players into reading "KC STAR" on the Cyclones jerseys instead of "IOWA STATE", and they will crush them like roaches.
@JayHawkFanToo Several of Erich Fromm's other books are very instructive in our current times. Especially Escape From Freedom, The Sane Society, and The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness. Thanks for the reminder.
@drgnslayr said:
I will sprinkle salt over my shoulder that day, too. Saying lots of prayers. Won’t cross under a ladder or let a black cat walk in front of me. I will also keep my fingers double-crossed.
After last night's run of (revelations/bullhockey--pick one), I was scared to look into my duct-taped mirror, but fortunately nothing sheared off this time.
@jayballer54 Oh, you mustn't leave out Minnesota!
@JayHawkFanToo I myself like his nose-into-the-headwind defiance!
@JayHawkFanToo Vegans believe in renewable food sources, so they should have a beer rather than beef.
@JayHawkFanToo Actually, what Allen did when he deliberately tripped people should be considered assault, as it would if he went up to a stranger and did the same thing. Someone could have been injured. So, perhaps like you, I myself am in the Allen-did-something-worse camp.
What Bragg did in possessing pot less than two weeks after coming to the attention of the cops and luckily being cleared and being reinstated to the team, was probably equally as, or even more, stupid as Allen, however.
@nuleafjhawk Stephen Garcia, the highest rated quarterback (I believe) to be recruited to S Carolina, keyed his professor's car and was suspended by Steve Spurrier. After a few more incidents, including alcohol stuff, he was booted from the program. He still has a few qb records here, I think, but all in all a cautionary tale of immaturity derailing a possibly brilliant future.
@Kcmatt7 My birthday present?!!!
@Crimsonorblue22 Another timeline raised by someone on the LDJW site, checked by me in the LDJW stories and on Google Maps:
Dec 9 (Friday) 1 a.m. Bragg's altercation at 1000 block of Emery Rd, leading to charges later dropped against him.
Dec 9 (Friday) 2 a.m. Alleged car vandalism at 530 Wisconsin, some 4 to 5 blocks away.
This particular timeline is consistent with way too many possibilities. I am going to bed.
Looks like Kirk and Mario may have out-negotiated themselves. From ESPN:
Sources: Jordan Farmar impresses Cavs, would accept 10-day contract
9:39 PM ET
Dave McMenamin
ESPN Staff Writer
A leader has emerged from the Cleveland Cavaliers' free-agent minicamp Wednesday in the luxury-tax-laden team's search for an additional playmaker: Jordan Farmar.
Farmar was given assurances that if anyone was to be signed by the Cavs from the workout, it would be him, a source familiar with the workout told ESPN.
Aside from an impressive showing by Farmar on Wednesday, there was a practical side to Cleveland's interest. According to a source, Farmar is open to signing a 10-day contract -- as is Lance Stephenson -- while a league source told ESPN that both Mario Chalmers and Kirk Hinrich would only agree to join the team if the Cavs tendered a guaranteed contract for the rest of the season.
Going into the workout, Chalmers was considered the favorite to earn a spot on the Cavs considering his history alongside LeBron James as the Miami Heat's primary starting point guard during the franchise's four consecutive trips to the NBA Finals from 2011 to '14.
However, Cleveland does not want to commit to a long-term solution with its only remaining open roster spot at the moment, preferring to keep it open to see what deals present themselves as the Feb. 23 trade deadline draws nearer.
Cleveland also wants to have a roster spot open should an attractive candidate land as a free agent when the buyout market begins. To be eligible for the postseason, any player who has appeared in an NBA game this season must be waived (or bought out) by March 1.
A source familiar with Cleveland's roster plans told ESPN the Cavs will aggressively pursue trade destinations for the injured Chris "Birdman" Andersen to try to open up another roster spot that could be used to land a buyout player.
Farmar, 30, has career averages of 7.7 points and 2.9 assists in 10 seasons with the Los Angeles Lakers, New Jersey Nets, L.A. Clippers, Memphis Grizzlies and Sacramento Kings. Farmar was cut by the Kings before opening night this season, only to rejoin them nine days later and play two games before being released again when Darren Collison returned from suspension.
Farmar is in a "holding pattern," a source told ESPN, as he flew back to L.A. following the workout in Cleveland and is awaiting the Cavs' decision.
@drgnslayr Aren't we just glad Gathers isn't on the Bears any more?
@drgnslayr Since I haven't read the Star on paper for years and only the Royals coverage online, I was unaware of an anti-KU animus. Didn't that largely begin with Whitlock?
@Kcmatt7 Here it is. Pretty balanced, but he doesn't close with the sense of doom the headline suggests. He notes the issues, says it hurts fans, as it does, but doesn't suggest all is lost, or the guys are thugs, or some other stuff.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/sports/ncaabasketball/kansas-jayhawks-baylor-bears.html ↗
Note: if you have been reading NYT articles, you might have to clear your cookies from your browser cache to access this.
http://m.kusports.com/news/2017/feb/02/report-two-ku-basketball-players-involved-car-vand/ ↗
Note the section on him calling The LDJW which did not bite, whereas apparently the Star did.
Note: new topic to avoid the lengthy loading process and disappearing posts on phones.
@Hawk8086 Pretend you are getting younger. It works--heck, I got carded a few weeks ago.
@bskeet Those possibilities were covered by my post.
I actually wonder if the greater negligence here is the PD for not getting a car vandalism case closed in 2 months. It makes me wonder how it is that new witnesses have been found, if that is true.
@Bwag Jam Tray!
@Kcmatt7 I am sure that I have the same level of respect for our shared education as you do. But I think my respect includes a sense that a few reported accusations covering almost 17 months are not going to destroy our alma mater, whereas hasty actions, rumors, and jumping to conclusions can destroy these young men's lives. And I suspect someone (not the Star, with which I personally have no beef) has that in mind.
I also have respect for our system of criminal law in which I practiced, and for the fairness values underlying my condemnation of the social lynching of anyone.
For everyone's consideration, please note what Wikipedia says about the term person of interest. Read the very last sentence I bolded if nothing else.
"Person of interest" is a term used by U.S. law enforcement when identifying someone involved in a criminal investigation who has not been arrested or formally accused of a crime. It has no legal meaning, but refers to someone in whom the police are "interested," either because the person is cooperating with the investigation, may have information that would assist the investigation, or possesses certain characteristics that merit further attention.
While terms such as suspect, target, and material witness have clear and sometimes formal definitions, person of interest remains undefined by the U.S. Department of Justice...... Person of interest is sometimes used as a euphemism for suspect, and its careless use may encourage trials by media.
@Kcmatt7 Doesn't the integrity of an investigation matter, too?
@bskeet Technically, if the two players were identified in the police report as persons of interest as detailed in the article, there could be no libel provided the Star was not negligent in believing that the police report was genuine. Papers are allowed to report even things from confidential police files (although woebetide someone who gets held in contempt for divulging it).
If the Star said they were named in a report but omitted a finding from the report that they definitely did not do it, the Star could be guilty of what is known as a "false light" tort, which means setting out facts that portray someone negatively while knowing the conclusion to be drawn therefrom is false.
The Star seems to be on safe ground here, but I don't know about their sources. I expect the Douglas County DA's office will be doing a pretty intense investigation, as will KU.
@BeddieKU23 Since when does someone of character let the internet determine where he or she stands when it comes to the matter of treating other people fairly?
@Kcmatt7 Facts are never irrelevant. The fact that this occurred on Dec 9 and no one has been arrested in almost two months suggests that there are a lot of unknowns here.
Perhaps these things are being leaked by someone with a vendetta who filed spurious charges and is frustrated that their intended targets are not being railroaded.
Perhaps they did do it and are the only clearly identified felons allowed to walk around for 55 days without facing any charges.
Perhaps they are being targeted by someone so that people who are afraid of bad publicity will start freaking out and demand that heads must roll. No facts? Get the axe!
But go ahead, burn your gear if you like. For me, I will wait for more. And if people look askance at my KU sweatshirt, I will wear it happily, and I will respond to any comments or questions just as I would have previously. "Yes, I believe in Bill Self's integrity." "Yes, I am proud." "Yes, I believe in the right of anyone not to be pilloried by rumors, social media, or their own blasted fanbase."
@wissox Do you think just maybe it might be wise to wait until the facts are in, or at least more than a couple of newspaper articles and thousands of words of speculation and assumption?
@stoptheflop Fantasizing about trolling yourself on the Web...if you ever do it, maybe it would be a good idea to go further and invent a 3rd online identity--perhaps an online pyschiatric helpline the other two could consult in their spare time!
@drgnslayr I was seeing if it could be edited but I don't know how. But I did find something sort of interesting--the last edit to the Baylor record against Big 12 opponents entry was 2 months ago, deleting "is gay" that someone added after "Iowa State" and inserting "Cyclones" instead. Internet vandals!
Wikipedia has the correct info in the KU entry. Our overall record vs Baylor is 27-4 (25-4 Big 12), with no losses in 14 games at AFH, 2-2 in neutral sites (Big 12 tourney, I assume), and 11-2 in Waco.
@Hawk8086 If we get 16 victories with 3 conference losses, we will definitely be in trouble--for hacking the standings!
@time-to-rock-73 I liked it! Reminds me of that other guy who posts here, oh, what the heck is his name? @Jayholler or something like that... HA!
@kjayhawks I just figured it was a reference to LighTfoot, but didn't know where it came from. (Unlike the Nickelback reference, which I didn't get at all...but I figure that one is due to my one-year-to-Social-Security age and addled brain.)
@time-to-rock-73 Gosh, I wish you would not be so reluctant to let your true feelings out!!! (sarcasm-in-good-fun font)
@kjayhawks LT had 2 nice blocks, too. ("LT"?)
@Crimsonorblue22 By letting them play. No ticky-tack fouls.
@dylans I think Vin Scully might be available if you can convince him to try college bb as a new gig.
@approxinfinity @JayHawkFanToo @BeddieKU23
I think without the UK win, we would have not had the confidence and grit needed to beat Baylor, plus it also gave Baylor reason to seriously doubt our vulnerability under pressure.
@mayjay Here is the article written by Chalmers referenced above:
Great article on Mario from Cleveland Plain Dealer's web site:
Mario Chalmers would be good fit with Cleveland Cavaliers, says ex-teammate James Jones
By Chris Fedor, cleveland.com
on February 01, 2017 at 8:10 PM, updated February 01, 2017 at 9:52 PM
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland Cavaliers head coach Tyronn Lue wouldn't divulge too much information about the team's four-player point guard workout, but Mario Chalmers' presence at Cleveland Clinic Courts Wednesday afternoon has one of his former teammates thinking about a reunion.
"Of course," James Jones told cleveland.com when asked about whether Chalmers would be a good fit. "I played with him and I won with him. I won championships with him and usually under pressure is where you can learn the most about a person and see how they deal with adversity so of course (he's a fit).
"I've always been a Mario Chalmers fan and always will be. Not just because he's an ex-teammate, but because he's a good player."
Chalmers spent his first eight seasons with the Miami Heat, teaming up with Jones and LeBron James, helping Miami advance to four straight NBA Finals. The group won back-to-back titles together before James rejoined the Cavaliers.
"He's a player. People try to put you in a box and say you're a shooter, defender, passer, but Rio is a player," Jones said. "If you need him to shoot it he can shoot it. If you need him to make passes he can. If you need him to defend he can do all those things. But in big moments he's fearless.
"He's hard-headed at some points, hard-headed because he's extremely confident in his skill set and the things he's capable of doing because he works so hard. Great kid and brother to me also. Nothing but great things to say about him."
During the 2015 season, Miami sent Chalmers to Memphis in a four-player deal. He was averaging a career-high 10.8 points with the Grizzlies before suffering a torn Achilles on March 9, and hasn't played since. Following a lengthy rehab, Chalmers finally got cleared to resume basketball activities in August.
Jones stayed in touch with Chalmers throughout. He also tried to keep his spirits up, give the kind of advice that has helped Jones become one of the stronger voices in the Cavs' locker room.
"We communicate from time to time," Jones said. "Coming back from an injury is a lonely process. What I mean is that you spend a lot of time alone and learn a lot about yourself, but he's doing well. He pushed hard, he worked hard to come back from that and he's feeling well and moving well. I'm just glad that he's back and doing what he loves, which is playing basketball."
In an article for the Player's Tribune, Chalmers wrote about the fight to return from the same injury that has derailed numerous careers and usually takes at least a year for a player to fully recover.
He used Kobe Bryant's recovery as motivation and studied up as much as he could while he couldn't walk or drive early in the process. Chalmers had to learn how to run again and spent lots of time working to rebuild his speed and quickness, two traits that have always aided his game.
But Jones, knowing Chalmers the way he does, isn't shocked to see him back, competing for Cleveland's open roster spot.
"You ask anyone who has been injured or has had any type of career-threatening injury and they will tell you initially the first response is despair and disbelief," Jones said. "It's crushing when your body fails you because that's our instrument for success. I'm not surprised that he looked at it and gathered himself and said, 'Hey I'm going to fight back regardless of the end result' because that's just who he is."
There are plenty of logical reasons for Chalmers, if healthy and effective, to be considered the front-runner of Wednesday's point guard group. But only the Cavs know that answer after watching him move around.
Chalmers has ties with players in the locker room, brings feistiness on the defensive end that has been missing in the absence of Matthew Dellavedova and has already proven he can run a championship team.
"When you have an expectation of excellence and you have an expectation to win, that becomes your level," Jones said of Chalmers' championship makeup. "You function on a higher level and you function on a level of winning. Anything less than winning isn't satisfactory.
"When you have guys that you talk about a championship mindset and championship mentality that's not something that's just spawn, it's something you develop and something that you grow into. Only way to do that is to have success and have failure, but most importantly, have success at the most challenging moments. To be able to do that in high school, college and professionally says a lot about the opportunities that were presented and even more about you taking advantage of those opportunities, which everyone doesn't do."
As for Chalmers, his motivation is simple.
"I want to get back to the Finals," he wrote Wednesday. "Once you know what it takes to get there, you can't play any other way."
Here is the link:
@HawkInMizery I forgot to mention that the one person who could probably elucidate on all the missing info is Vick provided he does not have a confidentiality agreement (as might the girl and her father) as part of the University process. If I were Vick's attorney, though, I would tackle him and gag him with Gorilla Tape if he even walked near a microphone until the Statute of Limitations expires....
@HawkInMizery I understand your frustration, but the real world (vs our fan world) doesn't build divides when someone is in the news. The article was an opinion/reaction piece about the whole situation, and everyone is always going to lump them together, like it or not.
Don't we always do this, too? For example, the Baylor football team's assaults when we discuss Baylor. Why is this relevant to the bb program? The fact is, the Star article gave explanations in context. Vahe is not responsible for the initial reporting. To ignore the context surrounding KU's program would have lit up all your neighbors torches as they flamed the Star for being KU apologists. Journalists get attacked if they do, and if they don't.
Pull back, reread it from a nonfan's perspective or at least from a concerned fan's perspective who wonders if something bad is happening (who hasn't been reading every paper and article on the Net), and see if I am right that the article dispels some concerns while still being cautious.