Another allegation uncomfortably similar. Easy target after the KU stuff? Or more to Carlton than we wanted to believe?
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I think KU was over 300th in losing turnovers in 2008 (avg @ 15 per game), which seems vaguely reassuring and disturbing at the same time because I think we rode a narrow edge to the NC. I can't find a site with that the ranks of the TO stat, though. Out of practice hunting those down. I seem to remember that the first game of 2007-2008 was the one they kept citing this year after the Duke game as the last time KU had so many turnovers.
@approxinfinity That is true. There have also been lots of players who have worked their butts off to prove talent rankings wrong. And I think scouts' opinions are subjective, not objective!
@Crimsonorblue22 My screen shows 10 sec back and 10 sec forward when I tap it. Using phone.
@approxinfinity My point was he might be lampooning their own comments to him as a means of getting blue blood recruits to prove their talent.
I turned in a theme once to my 10th grade Engl teacher and, frustrated by some issues I had, said it wasn't very good. She took it and threw it in her waste basket. I was looking aghast at her, and she said if it wasn't worth my time it certainly wasn't worth hers. I grabbed it out and said my comment wasn't meant to be so broad. She knew she had made her point, and the whole blasted class was pretty alert to it, too.
I hated her. Until I started listening and she ended up being my favorite teacher in 20 years of formal education.
We don't know the context, and everything I am positing here is mere speculation, but I think anyone thinking this is just Roy trashing his team without knowing how words affect them isn't giving him much credit for his savvy. He ain't no Bruce. I suspect it he knows precisely how to motivate them, and I suspect they will work hard to prove they are damned talented. I would not be at all surprised if they do very well this season.
@approxinfinity Maybe he heard too many excuses like "I couldn't [get to a spot, catch the pass, get through a pick, get back fast enough on defense, block out the rebounder, catch my breath, etc etc etc]" and so decided to use the public comment to challenge an "I can't" attitude.
"I can't" are two words no parent, teacher, mentor or coach ever wants to hear, or allow to fester.
No one else is. That happens every year until someone wins it.
@dylans Much more satisfying than trying to educate K State farmers, I would guess!
@dylans You and Billy Crystal! Congrats! Did you name him Norman?
@Crimsonorblue22 You can run but not hide!
@Crimsonorblue22 Hay--how ya doin'? Getting far afield, aren't we?
@benshawks08
I have no beef with that. You are right--this is a bunch of bull, udder nonsense in fact. Can you steer us somewhere better? Just steak out a position and let us know.
Sorry for milking this so much. I herd that people hate puns but I won't be cowed.
Always fun to see people arguing with each other over conjecture.
HEM, you misunderstood his initial use of "moot". TexHawk used the term in discussing how Wilson's potential 5th year impact at KU would change for the team if he left early due to going pro or by transferring out. He suggested if Wilson transferred out then he was likely not going to have a big role on the team that year anyway. Thus, "moot" was limited to the context of whether KU would benefit from Wilson's 5th year.
Your points are well-taken about all the other possible ways both KU and Wilson could benefit starting this year by not redshirting. But whether he benefits KU 4 years from now would indeed AT THAT POINT be moot if he leaves after 3 no matter the cause.
As always, trying to find understanding rather than leaping to snippiness and name-calling might help.
@StLJhawk I snuck back to some of your first posts and discovered that one of the topics being discussed in 2016 was Doke's abysmal 33% FT rate, and whether underhand form would help.
The world changes little, it seems!
@Texas-Hawk-10 Nothing was directed at you except for similarity of histories. I was referring in the last paragraph to my own history--taped up one, injured the other. The earlier "can't injure it further" comment was about a myth often repeated by coaches to get their players willing to play sooner than they should. Seems like I remember Roy saying this about Kirk, but the years make it all so foggy..
@jayballer73 No one else's damned business to tell anyone how they should spend their money. Let her become an NFL MVP and then she gets a voice.
There are no two sides to this at all.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Repetitive strains 35 to 45 years ago still affect me. I sprained my ankles so many times in hs, college, and later that I lost track when it went over 20. Now, I roll my ankle and it hurts for about 30 seconds and then I can keep walking. The ligaments are so loose that they don't get stretched any more.
It also has resulted in my inability to balance on one foot well--I have to lean against the shower wall to wash each foot. I cannot ice skate because of no strength in my ankles, and I can't turn my feet in enough to ski in a straight line to go downhill. My splay feet enable me to zoom uphill in cross-country skiing though!
I know, boo hoo for me. It is really my own damned fault since I only saw a doctor for my sprains once. I wish I had had more sense about getting treatment and staying off them while they were healing. It is an absolute lie to say they cannot be injured further by playing on a sprain--might be more accurate to say it will be taped so completely as to prevent further rolling. (And watch out for injuring the healthy one while playing on a heavily taped one....)
@jayballer73 Well, there are the football playoffs tomorrow, and some other weird things called "bowl games." I know for us football in late December is a once-every-2-decades-or-so thing, but it is actually somewhat important to much of the American sports world! Try it, you might like it! And they even have 3 pt plays!
@Crimsonorblue22 Ditto!
Obviously, our lives are ruined. We have a horrible team, a horrible coach, stupid strategies, and a loser history.
Of course, one made basket at the end would have made the guy who made it a hero, the team gritty despite an injury to our most important glue guy and defender, our coach a brilliant adjuster, a fantastic defensive plan, and proof that KU is back to its winning ways.
People, please get a grip. It was a December game. Might foreshadow, might teach. For all the doomsayers about what it "means" about March, I can do better: I know I could describe every team in division I as not capable of winning the championship, and I will be 99.7% correct.
@benshawks08 Just reminds me why I always thought Laimbeer should have gone to jail about 6 times!
But it also surprised me to see MJ get manhandled so badly. I am amazed he was able to not get more seriously injured.
NBA in that era led to mixed martial arts in ours.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Guys stayed longer too.
But that was true at every other school, too. Sign of the times!
@Crimsonorblue22 I just think the Dems are working hard to please their fringe with impeachment despite it being virtually hopeless in the Senate, with their candidates fragmented so much that there is no cohesive Dem msg for 2020. The country desperately wants legislation to solve infrastructure and medical costs, while the Dem's have spent untold hours in a virtual circle jerk chanting "we hate the Donald".
In a fair Senate, he would be tossed out because he is the most corrupt prez in history, but it isn't a fair Senate. The House should have denounced his actions and moved on to be the chamber proving it can govern rather than just spasming every time DJT did another horrible thing.
The election will be won in the minds of swing voters. With only 45 to 50% of voters agreeing on impeachment, the Dems have not been making any rational appeal as to why they should get the votes.
But the last sentence in my other post is simply a paraphrase of John Kenneth Galbreath's "In the long run, we will all be dead." I still believe the country will survive, all the current nitwits running it notwithstanding.
The House shoulde have amended to censure, not subject to Senate action. Dems are excited to be committing electoral suicide. Oh well, it is a movie I have seen a dozen times before.
By 2119, no one alive will care anymore.
@jayballer73 The wonderful healing of painful memories over time!
Last year we were number 1 for several weeks in the fall, but by mid-March we were at #17 in the AP poll, and a couple weeks earlier we actually fell to #18 in the UPI/Coaches poll.
I'd rather be a team that is #1 periodically, becoming a target etc, than be a team that was never #1. Notoriety helps with recruiting and overall school rep.
People here forget what it was like in the mid 70's to early 80's, when it was exciting to get into the top 10. 345 schools or so would be thrilled to worry about how "meaningful" it is. It is no guarantee of any season result, but it is fun to know that you are perceived as good, and by many, as the best.
Does it matter in the long run? Of course not, but so what?
If he left in good standing, and with Self's help, he must have fulfilled his academic requirements. Players who don't do that before they leave can screw up a school's APR, and I don't think they can get a waiver for immediate eligibility. I always have suspected it is a form of mutual extortion.
nuleafjhawk said:
YOU LIVE IN MANHATTAN ???
Hah! Actually, in Columbia. But not the MU trash heap. The other SEC one. Where people fill a 75,000 stadium even when the team is crappy. There actually are a number of nice restaurants here.
All these posts are making me envious. We have about 10 Waffle Houses, a few Bojangles, and an IHop in easy reach....
@BeddieKU23 Where did you go to school?
@dylans Let's start over. I was only defending the need to follow procedures to protect people's rights, and to make any organization follow their own rules. I never took it as an assault on my profession. Forgive me please for the misunderstanding because I didn't realize my comment sounded defensive. I meant to be simply illustrating how rules and procedures are important, no matter what we think we "know" about how a case should come out.
I think OJ, by the way, was guilty as hell, but the prosecutors deserved to lose because they managed to get important evidence excluded or minimized in importance by how they botched the rules of evidence. A clean presentation with competent non-celebrity-seeking prosecutors would have nailed his ass!
@dylans Maybe it was the sarcastic OJ comment? Oops, I did misread how you used ambush.
@dylans The way you used it suggested you saw no value in it. To me, yes, it is a trigger point to suggest assertions of the right to only have legitimate evidence be used against you is a legal maneuver akin to an ambush. I spent a career trying to protect and respect the rights of people involved in legal proceedings. I discovered that people seem oddly willing to discount the rights of others but are highly protective of their own. If we decide that people who are not innocent therefore have fewer rights to fairness, be prepared to welcome the police at your own door.
@BeddieKU23 Come by Columbia, SC, and pick us up on your way to your first game in AFH when you finally get the chance. I have been promising to take my wife there, and I haven't been there since 1980. ROAD TRIP!
@Crimsonorblue22 Dunno. Might only delay things. The NCAA might withdraw the Notices and do it again once the appeals are final. If the appeals vacate the trials, the NCAA rule does not seem to allow the use of the trial evidence. But I haven't studied the whole thing. Better minds than mine--better PAID minds, indeed--will have to cogitate on this. I predicts lots of billable hours for the lawyers involved.
@dylans It is pretty standard not to give evidentiary weight to findings that are not final.
Most importantly, it is not a "legal maneuver" to require the NCAA to follow its own rules. Maybe you would like to decide how many of their rules they can break in their prosecutions before you would think it is unfair?
@FarmerJayhawk "There’s a probability I go home with Gal Gadot tonight but I can pretty definitively say it’s not going to happen."
If it does happen, it is far more likely that you are stalking her than any other possibility that comes to mind...and a better probability would be that she kicks your Jayhawk tailfeathers clear to the Azores!
@HighEliteMajor New mantra?
I thought roughing could have been called on both teams. The refs did miss a couple of calls (the TD out at the 3, and spotting the Ware rush to the 49 at the 50 among them), but it was a great game. The push of Mahomes near the heater almost duplicated a call last week that everyone thought was unnecessary roughness, but it was explained last week that if the defender got his hands on the runner in-bounds, the play is legal. Romo was saying that it was illegal because Pat was going out of bounds and had no other possible trajectory, but acc to the explanation last week that isn't the rule. It looked to me as if the defender started the push in bounds. But they needed to show a sideline view and oddly didn't.
Elias was a crusader....
Coaches do this crap about fan support all the time. Lou Saban called out the Alabama fans early in the season.
I guess it happens when teams are bad (WSU this year) or even historically good for a decade (ALA). People get bored.
@approxinfinity " If time could slow down a bit that would be fantastic!"
At my age, I wake up every day thinking this...
Definitely will help. You do a great job!
@jayballer73 Same way KU fans who are not season ticket holders get tickets: through ticket resellers, or by getting tickets privately.
Reality TV, check
NBA ring, check
Multicolored hair, check
Amazing car, check
Wife named Dawn, check (oh, wait, that is the only similarity between ME and Scott)
Scott isn't friends with any Korean dictators, though. Wikipedia says the Kings gave him the nickname of "Samurai Scott", however, so there is an Asian something.
@HighEliteMajor When I was at KU in the 70's, people talked about getting their pot from Colorado, and we just got our liquor from Missouri across State Line Rd in Brookside. I do remember getting Old Jayhawk Whiskey in Lawrence. Do they still sell it?
@Crimsonorblue22 We can always count on your enthusiasm to add to the fun!
@drgnslayr And in the opposite direction, some of the coach superstitions include a deep and abiding faith in their own infallibilty so they fail to do anything to adjust to an opponent being hot. @HighEliteMajor can no doubt expound on this at greater length!