They need to get someone. I think they said Sherman is the emergency QB?
Ironic, since Mahomes was doing what they should have had fullback Sherman doing on that 4th and 1.
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It has been a while since Jethro was here. So, we will have to do with Gethro, I guess.
@nuleafjhawk Two mutch funn!
@jayballer73 Well, you are correct: I looked at schedules for Duke, UNC, UVA, ND, and Clemson. I also checked UK.
NONE of their games are currently scheduled for ESPN+, but like us, there are a lot of blank spots in their schedules where the network will be decided later spparently.
But hold your rage: all the ACC schools have between 8 and 11 games scheduled on the ACC network, and UK has 9 on the SEC network. Those are ESPN based operations. Everyone getting those on cable, satellite, or streaming pays some type of fee for them whether hidden or not.
Until we have a Big 12 network available nationwide, just think of ESPN+ as a comparable network you pay for directly instead of through your cable or satellite bill. And also, KU prominently appears on the ESPN+ schedule, maybe more than any other school, which reflects us as a national brand. Pretty good, actually!
Hope this helps.
@rockchalkwyo I think a lift time contract would help Bill in recruiting a lot! He has been looking a little saggy over the years, and what recruit wants to see the jowls, anyway? It would be appropriate for KU to take up the slack...literally.
Sorry, I just love when a typo provides a whole new unintended meaning to an internet post. I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments! And when a typo of mine is food for jokes, let me have it. We need more laughter in this forum.
@wissox He stayed enrolled at OSU in the fall semester, by your initial post. These things are determined by semesters, not the date bb season actually begins, not by weeks, months, or calendar years. The same rule applies to everybody. By your logic, he could stay at OSU sitting out bb for an entire school year, and then immediately play at his transfer school the next semester.
Sorry, you leave during a semester, that semester counts as enrollment in the original school. Same rule for everybody.
He actually should haave kept playing until 1st semester was over. The first sit out is on him. NCAA has the second and third, but they aren't responsible for all 3.
@wissox And why should that entitle him to skip only one semester? Remember, I think the rule itself is unfair, but this situation isn't an unfair application.
This is what happened to Frankamp, too. Stayed a few weeks at KU in the fall of 2014, and had to sit out until the end of the 2015 semester.
It is not new--if you accept aid and enroll and attend class for something like 2 weeks, that semester counts. A waiver is often sought where there are compelling reasons for leaving after staying for a couple weeks. Changing your mind is not often one of them.
I think the issue is really that if you start a semester and go several weeks there, you probably cannot effectively enroll until the 2nd semester at the new school. So, sitting out 2 semesters means missing the first semester next year.
I do not see this as an unfair application of the rule.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I read that it started as the "women's department" of Baylor.
Back when that was the only safe way for a woman to be associated with Baylor.
@Crimsonorblue22 15-0 in '16, 14-1 in '17. They lost in the champ game in '17.
10-0 each season, then 5 rounds in their NCAA tourney.
I just read (in an actual paper printed on newsprint!) that the NCAA has ordered Mary Hardin-Baylor to vacate its 2016 Division III national football championship and 29 victories over the 2016-17 seasons because the football coach let a player use his car for more than 18 months.
Wow, they are REALLY trying to set some strong precedents here!
@approxinfinity That is the ultimate hope. Similar to the idea that decriminalizing drugs will eliminate drug trafficking.
@pmann "Glory Road features Kansas as the championship opponent, but is inaccurate. The oilers played against a team from utah."
It is remarkable that in 2 sentences, you could assert a total of 3 facts, all of which are utterly wrong.
Perhaps you can research the history of trolling on the internet, something you might be able to get right?
@jayballer73 Oh, then maybe I didn't realize you were joshing him! 💥
@jayballer73 I think you didn't realize Dan was joshing you.
Just a note: My comment before the one on slavery had a final paragraph about unequal rates of approval but I didn't say for what!. This reference was about mortgage applications where the researchers sent identical financial statement and credit history information to lenders, with only the different names. Caucasian sounding names were approved for mortgages far more than black ones.
I have always wondered about the methodology of these studies because to accomplish truly identical applications with only different names you would have to falsify something in the application. And that is a federal offense! Maybe they get clearance to do a study from HUD or something.
Anyone remember the sting operation in Chicago where the US Attorney enlisted local attorneys to investigate the local Bar community and Cook County judges? These attorneys helped uncover a plethora of corrupt judges, clerks, prosecutors, and court officials.
In Chicago, the Machine always gets its revenge: The perps turned around and filed ethics complaints against the undercover lawyers who were the front men offering the bribes, alleging violations of the Code of Professional Responsibility's prohibition of dishonest conduct since they lied in pretending to be offering bribes.
Reminds me of my drug dealing clients in the Army who routinely would try to get the undercover cops to sign sworn statements that they were not cops.
Law was so much fun!
@stoptheflop I think there is matching of the 1st and 2nd place teams in a division with their counterparts in other divisions within the conference. So, some power matching, but more of a 2 level bracketing rather than a pure system. And if a team falls apart the year after winning a division, their non-division opponents get an easier looking schedule.
@stoptheflop It is not as simple as that. This explanation is interesting:
https://operations.nfl.com/the-game/creating-the-nfl-schedule/ ↗
@BShark It is interesting that most people have no idea that slavery is NOT absolutely illegal in the US. The 13th amendment prohibits slavery or involuntary servitude except as punishment upon conviction for a crime. The 8th amendment (cruel and unusual punishment) limits the treatment that can be meted out, but probably will continue to be broadly interpreted until it effectively negates the exception to the 13th.
Marco said:
So, predictions people! Out of all those in attendance . . . who do you think will whind up wearing a Jayhawk uniform?
Snoop?
@FarmerJayhawk @benshawks08
@wissox @Texas-Hawk-10
Nice discussion. One thing to add is the effect of zoning restrictions as an allegedly race-neutral tool that has been highly instrumental in perpetuating segregation and resulting educational quality differences.
Sidenote: A recent article somewhere discussed the correlation between gun control resistance and race. In the 60s through the early 90s, apparently the NRA and Republicans largely supported certain types of gun control. Those eras' highly visible "criminal elements" included the Black Panthers and inner city gangs committing drivebys with assault-style weapons (resulting in the ban that expired in 2004).
The article discussed how gun ownership among whites has exploded, and now the gun rights organizations think it is a divine right to get any gun they want. But they didn't think so when it was blacks who were the targeted owners.
I don't think it is necessarily a compelling argument, but it is food for thought.
Incidentally, the studies of racial bias based on names mentioned earlier include a number that show applicants with "white-sounding" names get approved at a substantially higher percentage with identical financials.
Google "race in evaluating names in resumes" for lots of interesting results in studies of how many interview requests were received for identical resumes with Africanized names vs Anglocized names.
One related interesting result comes up with that search: a woman who received no job interviews until she used a man's name on her resumes.
Your posts are always nicely thought out and logical. Same with @benshawks08 and @wissox. Thank you all for being on the front lines.
Wobblies, anew to the barricades! Free Luke Axtel!!!
BShark said:
Twitter is a pit.
I like the new name your description evokes: The Twit Pit
HEM is right. The schools own the NCAA and the NCAA, by virtue of the powers conferred upon it by its members, gets to make the rules. You want to be a member, you are subject to their rules. If you want to play for a member, you do so within the structure established under the rules.
But, HEM is also wrong. Rules can be changed. And many organizations have changed lots of their rules both by internal choice and in response to external pressure.
People and other institutions affected by the rules are pressuring the NCAA to change its rules. So far as I know, the NCAA has the right to consider the ideas being presented, and the right to change to meet the broader circumstances at play.
There is literally nothing written on a couple of stone tablets handed down as holy writ requiring the current system. The revered Rules of our favorite sport were handed down by Dr. Naismith. But good lord, if those rules hadn't changed and adapted to new ideas, not one person in the country would ever watch or care about basketball.
All organizations change, adapt, and evolve, or they fail. Some die out anyway. That happens in business and in life.
@Kcmatt7 "...5-7 KU team..."
Ah, I feel misty-eyed when anyone brings up those good old days....
Just popping in to say, yes, college bb players ARE interchangeable over a period of years. But they are individuals well recognized by their fan bases in the one to four years they attend their schools. Those are the years available.
Whether another athlete comes along to replace or even exceed them after they leave, is irrelevant to the years in which they could earn a little money.
I will lose any last lingering respect for Self if he walks away due to being punished (unless it is a condition for KU not to get hammered, like it was for Larry). If he is found to have got us into this mess, he by rights should steer us out.
The worst part for me is the same as it is for any supporters of anyone who does something bad--loss of trust.
@rockchalkwyo Please, no.
@nuleafjhawk Who would we play? The NCAA has effective control of all large college play due to the rule requiring all competition to be against NCAA-approved foes, even exhibitions.
Unless other schools were also willing to voluntarily dissociate themselves, we might be stuck trying to wrangle an entire slate of games, in dozens of sports, against national teams around the globe. Interesting idea, but hard to see how it would resemble what we like.
Maybe join the G league and get out of all other sports?
Theoretically, we could cut athletic department spending by some 95% and try to join the NAIA. Since their schools all together have about 60,000 in total enrollment, I doubt they would welcone a school our size.
I think the solution lies in fixing the NCAA. How? I will likely be dead before anyone can figure that out.
Great article by Chad Lawhorn analyzing why the case involves the booster issue, etc.
http://m.kusports.com/news/2019/sep/24/analysis-understanding-what-matters-and-what-doesn/ ↗
@rockchalkwyo You need to read the NOA, posted in the other thread going on. It is not based only on the payments themselves. You will see numerous allegations of KU being accused of knowing about but not reporting improper recruiting contacts by boosters, and not reporting equipment and apparel benefits for an amateur team being sought by and received by Larry Brown (also termed a booster).
The whole "coach responsibility" thing may come down to whether Adidas's reps were KU boosters. Brown clearly was, IMO.
It is kind of circular: if recruiting for KU, they are boosters, but boosters are limited in how much contact they can have. KU's defense will likely be that employees of athletic companies are obviously going to have contact with athletes and that any efforts to assist in recruiting were incidental to their jobs. As employees of another company, and since any discussions about schools were not exclusive to KU, they would not be subject to KU review, KU control, and KU-imposed job restrictions.
The NOA is clearly a shot across the bow by the NCAA signalling they want these back door relationships to stop. (Cynics would say, "to stay hidden".) But how do amateur teams exist without company sponsors, and how do they expect colleges sponsored by these same companies to not have mutual contacts?
I said I wouldn't do more comments, but after reading the NOA, I decided to put this out there since I haven't seen this anywhere else.
And it is always interesting when the NCAA throws Brown into the mix!
Interestingly, the NOA lists KU's entire history of BB and FB violations back to 1957 as aggravating factors. DP material?
I think everyone is overreacting with such huge disgust and hysterical comments about tearing down the NCAA. Fat chance. This was inevitable after the court case evidence and the SDS ineligibility findings. And any public statements would likely not have made a whit of difference then or now.
For crying out loud, let it all play out. KU still gets to respond. This is the NCAA indictment stage. No reason to set the self (or Self) destruct mechanism in motion yet. Punishments will be determined later.
And, if anyone wants to abandon ship, no one can blame you. I still might, too, but if so it will be based on what is known and what is proven, not what is rumored, so it will be awhile.
That likely will let me focus on enjoying watching this team play for this year. I have always wanted to be able to watch basketball with fewer distractions anyway.
My last comment on this whole mess until it is resolved. BB is wonderful but I am too old to get that emotionally worked up about things I cannot control.
@DanR When they vacate wins, they do not award victory or title to the other team.
kjayhawks said:
Wow everyone calling AB crazy now he looks like a genius.
On second thought, let's go back to crazy...
@BShark "the syntax confused me.."
By god, I am sick of all these taxes! Sin should be free--well, according to some you pay at the end....
@Crimsonorblue22 Dedrick didn't exude enthusiasm, either, but I had no complaints about his ability or willingness to play (had smarts, but no great speed).
approxinfinity said:
How quickly can he get on with another team?
Since he enrolled and (apparently) attended classes for several weeks at least, he won't be eligible until Spring 2021 unless granted a waiver. Isn't that what Frankamp did--left early in fall?
If he left due to the possibility of upcoming sanctions, it would be ironic if he could have stuck around until they were imposed and then transferred in April with immediate eligibility.
Who'd ever have predicted a more optimistic frame of mind in KU faithful about the football season's post-season hopes than basketball?
"It is unclear whether Jayhawks coach Bill Self will be charged with a coach control violation..."
Well, nice journalism here. I think the whole damn thing is "unclear" since it is just rumor getting repeated based on nothing new since the June statements by the NCAA.
I will wait 2 months before subscribing to ESPN+. And they probably know lots of people will, as more of their rights contracts take effect with a new BB season. So don't be surprised when they announce a price increase right before the season starts!
@FarmerJayhawk As I said, I am talking about all the other programming--major networks, plus HGTV, TCM, HBO, TNT, AMC, TBS, etc etc etc. And it was a streaming salesman, not cable.
"It also is smart enough to record when the game runs past its scheduled time, so you’ll get the whole game no matter what."--That would be nice. I always have to adjust recordings in case of 60 Minutes when CBS has the 4:00 game.
@FarmerJayhawk Is your library available when the internet is down?
@Crimsonorblue22 @FarmerJayhawk
Thanks, but I was talking about programming in general, not the games. For people who substitute streaming packages for what I get with cable, they have to have several different stream providers coming to their TVs. I get over 300-350 channels, all of which I can set to record on my Spectrum provided DVR up to 2 weeks in advance. Plus, I can record every episode of a series for months, all set automatically.
My question is, can streaming duplicate that ability to record, including real time on broadcast networks? A salesman for one of them kept deflecting this question to the ability to search 100,000 shows and movies and find anything I wanted to watch. I told him I don't want to search archives, I want to browse among about 10 to 25 shows I have chosen already. He had to admit streaming services cannot give you all the channels and the DVR capability we have with cable. And if you have a private DVR, he admitted, you can't easily switch between services to, say, record from two at once. (Note: we still cannot do that for any subscriptions like Amazon Prime--which we have anyway--but we have almost everything we watch available on cable. So far, the Netflix/Hulu shows do not appeal enough to add more.)
So, has this changed?
Those of you streaming: can you leave for a couple weeks and still record off all of your channels, and watch in every TV in your house without changing signins?
But it is the end of civilization as we know it!!!!
@HighEliteMajor In a courtroom where overstepping is the cause of action or raised as a defense, they use expert witnesses: they bring in a referee who blows a whistle and makes the "travelling" signal.
@Crimsonorblue22 Does anyone?
So, here is Tom Keegan's preview of last night's game (now a columnist for the Boston Herald), followed by his game story. Interesting that he doesn't reference his earlier take.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/09/13/the-curse-of-the-mangino-travels-to-boston-college/ ↗
@DanR I didn't either! I was just talking with someone atoday about college FB games being unusual on Fridays, and didn't know ours was tonight. 😖