@mayjay It's a good reminder. I see too often the negative side of drug abuse when I teach kids who are victims of it by being children of adults who abuse. No joking matter that's for sure.
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Amazing things do happen there. We lose. Self has a 750 winning percentage there, meaning he's lost 9 games there. Compare that with his record at home, no time to look it up right now, but the percentage at home has got to be 15-20% higher.
Frank playing again and had a strong performance last night with 16 points and 6 assists. The one little highlight clip they showed on ESPN's box score had the announcer saying "Frank doesn't play like a rookie". Of course experience wise he is technically a rookie, but someone 5 years removed from HS makes him more of a seasoned veteran!
I didn't know any of that.
Not many conference tournaments draw that well. With travel opps for the big dance coming up, many fans with limited time/funds/or both would rather spend it on games that matter.
Interestingly, I learned that the most important game of the year, the NC, sees a buyers market. I saw KU-UK for 100 bucks for two tickets back in 2012. Lots of fans sell tickets when their team loses Saturdays. The same is true for regional finals, and I suppose it might even be the same for conference tournaments. Championship games are ripe for the picking as long as you can catch fans leaving whose teams just lost in the semis.
Couldn't you have posted better news than this? At the very least, Sosa and LIghtfoot get to earn valuable PT, and maybe even someone like Sosinski?
mayjay said:
@wissox And if the KU coach at the time had not taken an attitude of not cooperating that had the disciplinary committee considering the death penalty due to loss of institutional control.
Oh, knock it off with your facts ruining my narrative!
@jayhawk-007 Our streak would be longer if we'd have a 2018 NCAA rule on our violation in 1989. A coach buys a kid a plane ticket so he can go to the funeral for his GMa who raised him and we get nailed.
@dylans Good question! I had to look it up, there's 35, so you win a national title, and well, it's an accomplishment, but not as much as in other sports.
We complain about the brackets, but I was just reading about the 8 team womens hockey tournament. The idea there is to save teams travel money so this is how the 8 team tournament works out. 1 seed Clarkson playing unranked 8 seed Mercyhurst. 2 seed Wisconsin playing 5 seed Minnesota. 3 seed Colgate gets 9th ranked Northeastern. 4 seed Boston College vs. 6 seed Ohio State.
So a 3 seed gets an easier game than the 2 seed. The 2 seed has to play a highly ranked bitter rival while a 4th seed plays an easier team than the 2 seed. Pretty crazy that the NCAA, pockets full of cash, can't help teams travel to a tournament game so they screw teams over in the brackets to save money. Imagine if they ran the mens basketball tourney this way!
@mayjay Of course it happens in college football a lot which is also just plain stupid. But those big time conferences have to preserve their traditional non conference games which fans are clamoring to see, such as Wisconsin-Wofford, or Nebraska-Louisiana Monroe, or Alabama-Citadel.
This is a little off topic, but I would love to see a college conference say, well this is just stupid so we're going to make sure that each team in the league plays each other. You might have to do away with the league championship game, but the fans would love it.
College basketball conferences could do it too. The Big 10 would need 26 conference games to pull it off. So they play a few patsies to get up to the required 32-34 games, so what, that would be a great schedule in any of the power conferences. It might hurt KU because we already play a round robin schedule and would have a struggle to find non-conf games if the SEC is playing 26 league games. Not even sure how many teams are in the ACC, 16 I think, so there, might be kind of tough, but so what! Do it anyways. Do it for the fans who would much rather see their team play a conference team twice than a patsy once.
@BeddieKU23 Thanks Beddie! Pretty good list of teams there, but it also illustrates the reason why KU would benefit by having a tougher top half of the league.
Fightsongwriter said:
@wissox What does Wayne Gretsky have to do with it? 😉
I'd give you a PHOF except it's Gretzky!
@JayHawkFanToo But given our conference's history in the dance during these seasons where we're the top ranked conference it doesn't look like it after the first weekend of the tournament, so I guess, just to be the devil's advocate, I guess teams might be saying sure, we'd love to play the big 12 in the madness of march. Of course two years ago, we're within a last minute meltdown against 'Nova to having two Big12 teams playing each other in the FF and of course one of them in the finals, but that season is an anomaly right now rather than the rule.
@JayHawkFanToo You could probably argue that we're the top ranked conference because of the bottom of the conference. I wouldn't call the top of our conference anything to get all excited about although OU, TTU and WVU have all had good moments this year.
If you could and if you have time, pull up the team that had the top ranked schedule and lets look at their opponents. It'd be interesting to see.
Speaking of St. Mary's, and Wichita, and MSU, this guy has us as a 1 seed and potential 2nd round against St. Marys, 3rd round with WSU, and either Duke or MSU as elite 8 competition. It's been 3 long years since Duke has won a championship so the powers that be will be affecting the whistle in that elite 8 matchup I'm sure. I don't think a team west of the Appalachians is going to win a championship ever again!
Here's the link which I forgot in the original post.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-ncaa-tournament-bracketology-20180305-story.html ↗
dylans said:
@Kcmatt7 I was just preparing my we got screwed in the bracket speech. 😜
Everyone here has their speech ready to go!
It's constitutionally impossible, morally reprehensible, spiritually atheistic, legally illegal, physically incongruous, athletically unattainable, infeasible, dubious, mathematically improbable, criminally suspicious, absurd, outlandish, preposterous, and utterly ridiculous for us to lose to a team three times in one season. I suppose it's happened breaking all of those laws of nature, those fiats of the Great One Himself, but I don't recall it happening. And it's not going to change. Period.
You left two very's off the very very very bad schedule. That is pretty putrid the way you put it.
But they beat all their bad teams. We beat all of ours too but did lose to some mediocre teams and I'm not sure MSU did. They lost to three solid tourney teams, one twice.
Don't get me wrong I've loved both players during their time here. We pretty much have all American types every year so we're going to run out of numbers to retire.
I saw the list of Jayhawks with numbers retired and hadn't even heard of several of them!
@BeddieKU23 the early season Spartans yes. Lately not sure but in a season of losses piling up for so many I still am struggling with the possibility of them being a three seed. Of course two years ago I thought they got screwed by being given the two seed and then they lose to mid tenn so who knows!
By the way the Big 14 really screwed themselves up by expanding. You're right about that and then they go out and play their tourney in two east coast locales the last two years.
IDK. I'm an old curmudgeon for sure, but they've not even accomplished a final four. I know Frank was POY, not sure if DG gets it or not, but, sorry, I'm not sure I'm seeing enshrinement in the rafters for these two. Just my opinion. Anyone else feel that way?
Schedule strengths are funny beasts to me. Seeing MSU as a 3 is a little puzzling because in the first several weeks of the season they played (rankings at the time of playing) #1 Duke, #5 ND, #9 UNC, caught a break by only seeing OSU, Purdue and Michigan 1 time (at least until conference championship). And in those games they're 4-3. That's against teams that have all been top 10 in the country at some point in the season. Not sterling, but not terrible either.
We have played top 10 at some point Kentucky, Tech, OU, and WVU and ASU. Not positive if Baylor was ever top 10. 5-4 against top 10 teams. We have been getting lauded for a tough schedule, MSU getting ripped for it.
Now, let me clear this up too. MSU has deservedly been under a very dark and heavy cloud of suspicion this season, from the sex scandal which miraculously seems to be pushed out of the spotlight and the paying Bridges thing. I've gone from a MSU admirer and Izzo fan to a much less favorable view of them. I really hope they fizzle out. I think they will. Shorthanded UW played them down to the last possession Friday and nearly beat them the weak before, and of course Michigan beat them solidly yesterday. But a 4 loss team this season, in my view deserves better than a 3 seed.
@BeddieKU23 After many years of living in SEC country I really loathe them! And I always feel a little guilty about it because they're one of the more successful leagues in the dance. SC making it last year and beating FL to get to the FF is just the latest example. Funny thing is their fans don't even appreciate it.
Loyola of Chicago is now in. Great story. 1st bid since 1985. Their chaplain is a 98 year old nun who prays before the game and throws in a scouting report into her prayer. I.E "We pray we'll have success boxing out #42 who grabs 5 offensive rebounds every game". After games she emails the coach and players what they did well and what they need to improve upon.
Nebraska might have the dubious distinction of winning 13 league games and not making it to the dance.
7 losses, still #1 seed? I just don't see it.
@BShark she points out I didn't look all that thrilled at the moment either! She's a good sport and will attend events like that with me even though she never would have gone otherwise.
Don't know anything about him but I kind of hope he gets out of Chicago. If he's tempted by gang life CSU isn't the place for him. It's right in the middle of the south side where he lives currently.
@Crimsonorblue22 I still don't know what I did wrong especially in light of this thread of comments.
@mayjay no eye contact was made. No chant was chanted although I wanted to sing my high school fight song!
My wife and I make a nice cameo at the 9:36 mark of the video. The kid is putting his arm around his coach and we're right above the coaches head. I'm representing the Jayhawks with my hat.
I don't know, I was taken to task the other day after we wrapped up the championship for suggesting that some here were saying exactly what Lulu said in his post.
Considering the depth of the team he was facing, he looked really good. His big wasn't having a very good game, another kid was picking up his slack a little bit, but it really fell on Markese. He reminded me of Mason quite a bit, same body, height, etc. He shot a lot of FT's, made most. He probably made 3 of 6 3 pointers. He's got a little bit of showboating in him that will need to be curtailed. At one point he did a crossover move, backed out of it, his defender stumbled. He decided to do it again and turned it over. Totally unnecessary but he was looking for another crowd reaction like he'd just had!
As far as leadership, the thing, his team frittered away a large lead. I was looking for him to settle his team down. But they kept rushing shots, wasting possessions and a team with 5-6 D-1 players on it made them pay.
@BShark Nice find on the video! Haven't had a chance to watch, but will when I get home.
I thought he looked really good. Made some great shots. Not sure of the assists, I think he had quite a few.
He has me wondering how many father-sons have both coached teams to the Final Four? Pretty sure John Thompson III got Georgetown there in the 2000's so they would be one.
Tony needs to get that monkey off his back and make it to the last weekend. Until then, he'll be the latest great coach to never make it.
Speaking of Tony Bennett, can you imagine knowing you're going to have to face that team twice a year? I know ACC teams mainly play each other once, but still, must be a psychological burden to overcome knowing you're going to be facing them.
Of course Mizzou would choke away their opportunity to play us. They have a current 3 game 1st round losing streak including of course the loss as a 2 seed!
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Per @kenpomeroy KU has the 38th best home foul advantage in recent seasons.
I have a KP account. I looked it up. I'm pretty sure I'm on the right page. So what B12 teams get friendlier calls at home than KU?
27 OU
23 KSU
14 OSU
10 WVU
6 TTU
1 ISU
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Stopped looking at the thread I started. Those are numbers from all D1 programs? That's pretty interesting that ISU is #1. Does it explain its' methodology? I'd imagine it's a little difficult to quantify because sometimes the hometeam gets calls that are correct so it's not really a home court thing..
Since I'm not a subscriber, would you be willing to look at UW's rankings as well as MIchigan States? Thanks!
BShark said:
There was actually a documentary on Orr produced in part by D Wade that aired recently on Fox.
Oh I see this was mentioned in the OP. I should read more. :joy:
Did you watch the program? I DVR'd it, and Villanova's game went to OT, so the DVR turned off at the allotted time, thus I couldn't finish it.
The coaches son, Chase Adams, was a youtube sensation when he was a youngster. He was a dazzling quick little guy and gained some fame because of it.
So with quarter breaks what happens to the every four TV timeouts? Will that be adjusted? If not it's another TO. Not sure that's a good thing. But in general, rules need to stay current with the times, and interestingly, international ball is influencing this very American sport.
The one thing that won't change is NIT will stand for Not In Tourney.
I got to watch future Jayhawk Markese Jacobs last night in action. This was a sectional game actually played at my alma mater in the Chicago suburbs.
His team, Uplift Charter was playing Orr, a school in the Garfield Park neighborhood, one of Chicago's deadliest areas. Dozens of homicides last year out of a population of 50,000 is all you need to know about where Orr is located.
Orr is a defending state champ, and was featured last Saturday with a well done 30-30 style documentary on Fox. They are very well coached and nearly beat national powerhouse Simeon in the city championships.
In December the two teams played each other and Orr obliterated Uplift, so I wasn't expecting too much. However Uplift jumped all over them and led by as many as 19 in the first half. Jacobs, whom I was there to watch was amazing, pull up 3's, lightning quick accurate passes meeting their target.
Uplift played a little out of control, especially with a big lead and lost in overtime.
But here's what I saw in Markese. INTENSITY. He fouled out in OT. At a huddle, he stood, fists clenched, fighting tears. This is an extremely competitive young man. He is still only a junior so he has time to funnel that intensity into even better play. I was wishing last night he played the coach on the floor and got his team to play more under control because if he did I'd be going again Friday night to watch him play.
I think you all will enjoy watching him play.
3 UW offensive linemen who all could be drafted this year decided to return for their senior years so they could be a part of what figures to be a great offense next year. Always gratifying to see. Have loved seeing all of our seniors here over the years.
@JayHawkFanToo Your first post on this subject you referenced a 30-7 halftime score. That's what I was making my lame joke about.
@JayHawkFanToo 30-7? Come on man, we're not talking about football here.
Is there a connection between Nike and ESPN? Not sure how it would benefit ESPN for Zona to lose to Oregon?
He's a sophomore, right? In the Self development process he's about where we'd expect a sophomore in my opinion.
Never realized DG was born to an 8th grade mother. Makes his rise to the top even more remarkable. Congrats to her for raising a young man who will graduate with a college degree and hopefully put that degree to work for him in the NBA!
Shaka not looking too....wait for it......intelligent right now.
Wow, Buzz! Shushing the crowd, although I can't blame the fans after that gift to Girlson allen.
@justanotherfan I really hope what you're saying doesn't happen. I, like so many here, and on similar fan sites across the land, love our college teams and would hate to see it watered down to it only existing for the kids who don't go pro.
In that scenario, what happens to Frank Mason? He probably wouldn't have made it into the NBA minor leagues (my term) right out of HS. Does he then get branded a college player therefore not good enough? Maybe, hard to say really.