@rcjhdraft said in 2023 Recruiting:
@BShark said in 2023 Recruiting:
Calipari losing Bradshaw to USC, in part due to an agency that has helped him get players would feed my family for GENERATIONS.
I remember seeing this rumored on the UCLA board last week and I didn't buy it lol. Kentucky would be SCRAMBLING
Appears to be picking up steam this week. Lebron buying a squad for his son perhaps.
Calipari losing Bradshaw to USC, in part due to an agency that has helped him get players would feed my family for GENERATIONS.
@approxinfinity said in 2023 Transfer Portal:
@BShark Philacheck sounds very reasonable. Appreciate them leaving the door open to returning if somehow it shakes out that way. I'm guessing that means if Ernest departs we could still see Zuby back.
Think that could very easily be on the table. Would make sense that we could retain one of them, then add a Martin/Whitman/Maxwell level guy for depth.
Zuby chose to leave. Was absolutely not asked to leave. I get why, the article in the star was pretty good actually.
Link: https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article275107161.html ā
4 million is the rumor.
@rcjhdraft said in 2023 Transfer Portal:
@BShark said in 2023 Transfer Portal:
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@jayballer67 said in 2023 Transfer Portal:
So are people still thinking Zuby or Udeh transfers out ? - - no need as we have one Scholi left and the one I know we are really serious on is Mackenzie. - -I hate the thought one or the other of them leaving - -adds really good depth
Seems to be a given that one of them leaves. They just added a guy who's playing at least 30 minutes a game and both were top 50 recruits that probably wanted an increased role at the very least.
Yep. Do we want them to transfer? No. Would I blame one of them for transferring? Also no. One of them is looking at being last on the depth chart...
I'm fascinated to see what we will do to fill that scholarship if it becomes available. Maybe just leave it ticketed for someone coming back from the draft?
I'm sure we will try, but my guess is we end up with roster filler. We won't have a starting spot to sell.
Gonna have to be picky now given the scholarship reduction and the fact that transfers can't do it twice now. Don't want to be stuck with someone.
Yeah. If the Utah Valley kid will be eligible I like him a lot. Note: I'd rather keep Udeh if at all possible.
@DanR said in Puerto Rico!:
Any idea what the competition will be like? I recall Doke's first year they played a couple ragtag teams in an Italian high school gym.
Usually not amazing.
@rcjhdraft said in 2023 Transfer Portal:
@BShark said in 2023 Transfer Portal:
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@jayballer67 said in 2023 Transfer Portal:
So are people still thinking Zuby or Udeh transfers out ? - - no need as we have one Scholi left and the one I know we are really serious on is Mackenzie. - -I hate the thought one or the other of them leaving - -adds really good depth
Seems to be a given that one of them leaves. They just added a guy who's playing at least 30 minutes a game and both were top 50 recruits that probably wanted an increased role at the very least.
Yep. Do we want them to transfer? No. Would I blame one of them for transferring? Also no. One of them is looking at being last on the depth chart...
I'm fascinated to see what we will do to fill that scholarship if it becomes available. Maybe just leave it ticketed for someone coming back from the draft?
I'm sure we will try, but my guess is we end up with roster filler. We won't have a starting spot to sell.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Puerto Rico!:
Is happening this summer. Bonus basketball!
Love it. Team will need some time to mesh.
@rcjhdraft said in 2023 Transfer Portal:
@jayballer67 said in 2023 Transfer Portal:
So are people still thinking Zuby or Udeh transfers out ? - - no need as we have one Scholi left and the one I know we are really serious on is Mackenzie. - -I hate the thought one or the other of them leaving - -adds really good depth
Seems to be a given that one of them leaves. They just added a guy who's playing at least 30 minutes a game and both were top 50 recruits that probably wanted an increased role at the very least.
Yep. Do we want them to transfer? No. Would I blame one of them for transferring? Also no. One of them is looking at being last on the depth chart...
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2023 Transfer Portal:
@kuballin10 I think the tomorrow stuff was premature. KU would obviously love it but itās not a dealbreaker or anything.
Yep. I think ultimately he will be a Jayhawk.
@dylans said in Iowa St LBer:
@jayballer67 Not the same level, definitely not what Iād want on campus! Broke her back. Yikes.
ISU showed him the door
I've been as against the Aterio thing as anyone and this is not remotely close to the same level.
@Kcmatt7 said in 2023 Transfer Portal:
If they end up landing that plane, we can thank Adidas for getting involved fa sho
Sounds like he will take the Indiana visit but not Louisville. And you bet your butt Adidas got involved here.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
So self doesn't develop anymore, just gets one yr guys from portal he can pay every yr?
Udeh would stay, probably not up to him though.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@BShark this is not right!
Would bet money we lose Udeh. He loves it here but his guardian thinks he is a starter.
@kuballin10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@BShark NOOOOOO! He has the best potential defensively.
I figured Zuby would transfer based on the tweets youād mentioned not Udeh.
Now that we are here I think Udeh is more likely. Bill will try to keep him though I am sure.
Might have to remove Udeh from your rotation predictions. Pains me to say it. We will see.
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2023 Recruiting:
@Woodrow yeah my guess is we lose a big
I've been asked not to discuss it too much or name who the favorite would be, but this is a fairly safe assumption to make.
It's the offseason and I'm bored so here we go.
Winning a championship is very hard. It typically involves a lot of talent, and generally some luck.
As we all know, Self's two titles at KU involved a player coming back at the 11th hour. Brandon Rush due to injury in 08 and Ochai due to wanting to be a badass in 22.
So this got me thinking about other circumstances. Jay Wright possibly has zero titles if Rick Brunson doesn't have sexual assault charges in 2014. Temple was set to do a Manning and hire his dad to land him. Harder to say if they still win in 16 or not, but still interesting.
@Jethro said in 2023 Recruiting:
LOL. Maybe you all should reach out to the coaching staff and let them know he sucks!
Wake me up if it goes beyond "contact", which even Bossi said can simply mean the contact was initiated by the player/their people.
The amount of players that "contacted" KU this cycle and it never went beyond that is staggering. Too many to list.
Shanghai Suns soon
@Kcmatt7 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
@Kcmatt7 Just saying, Kevin was almost useless at the 3pt line. I know I'm in the minority, but I think KJ is going to feast in that 4 spot.
Need Hunter for this but he could be okay there. If you don't get Hunter then KJ probably starts at the 5 again.
@Kcmatt7 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
@BShark I really think the KJ/Marcus combo is going to be just fine. KJ did average almost 11 a game last season... How often do players take a major step back scoring?
Changing position is a factor though. Marcus regressed in some ways offensively his SR year due to that, despite the numbers being solid.
@Kcmatt7 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
@BShark I think Timberlake starting makes perfect sense. It's looking more and more like the lineup will be Juan/Morris/Timberlake/KJ/Dickinson. Then you have Elmarko/MAdams/Udeh as your main subs. That's a pretty dang good team.
I really think they have to find a way to open up a 4th spot and get another rotation piece though. Might be the difference between a Natty run and a Sweet 16.
Yep. The 4 spot is the only major concern in this scenario.
@Gorilla72 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
Quite a few strong statements about Morris here. Thanks BShark for calming words. Self and the school ABSOLUTELY know the risks. Letās get the venting finished and then chill a bitā¦
Oh I've had my moments with this :face_with_tears_of_joy:
I think this chatter will continue in a lot of spots until the next commitment distracts us.
@Jethro said in 2023 Recruiting:
Ok, I'm digging this guy. Wait until he's here for 2 years. Plan B if Dickinson decides he's too good for us:
He sucks. Hard pass.
@Kcmatt7 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
@RockkChalkk I will root for him to do good while he's here. And hope that the staff has a good plan to keep him on the straight and narrow. I suppose I don't expect him to be a saint while he's here (he's still a "kid").
But if ANYTHING happens on campus where Morris assaults a woman, Bill Self needs to resign. Maybe Goff too. If they think Morris is in no way a risk to the women on campus then they should be willing to put their jobs on the line.
If something does happen, and Bill doesn't get forced out with it, I'll probably never watch another game in my life. That's where I stand on this whole situation.
Now, I hope Arterio is a 1st-team All-American. He has a lot of traits that will serve him well under Bill. At this very second, there is a legitimate possibility he is our leading scorer in 2023. The Juan/Elmarko/Morris backcourt is salty on paper. Should be able to really pressure the ball. This also ensures we have some talent coming off of the bench. Either Morris, Elmarko or Timberlake. Morris also brings some desperately needed shooting into the lineup. He's also a plus athlete for his size.
All of this to say, the talent is certainly intriguing.
It does sound like he was on the straight and narrow while at Texas. Reportedly anyway. Apparently coachable and his teammates liked him. This is all grapevine stuff.
You came with the HEAT in paragraphs 2/3 here, I respect it.
I think Timberlake will start fwiw, at the 3 spot. Caveat that if his defense isn't acceptable then probably not. But it seems to be the plan.
Morris is no Timberlake shooting but yeah he isn't bad. I've for other additions to be plus shooters as well. It was a clear need going into the portal and why while Ingram would have been fine for us, it doesn't tear me up that Bill didn't get him in hindsight.
Talent wise Morris is a no brainer take. Probably don't get him without the issues.
@RockkChalkk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
I dont think anybody likes the stuff that is out there about him off the court. However i find it odd how some people will despise him even if he becomes the charitable man of the year every year he is here. Meanwhile, same people can look past Jalenās DUI, Marcus Morrisā bar fight (could have also had a misdemeanor assault charge as a result), and celebrate when Braun stares down an opponent and yells āfcking btchā on live tv.
I don't hate the kids by any means. CB didn't commit a crime in any way shape or form so I don't think it's fair to lump him in this group. I'd add Vick, Josh, Bragg and several others in the hard to root for group though.
@Kcmatt7 said in NFL Draft - 2023:
I do think Veach gets cute with his picks at times. This year feels like that. But itās hard to do. As long as you have Mahomes youāll be competitive.
Yes and the Chiefs have already won two which is incredible. The Packers really laid out the blueprint for how to waste a franchise QB with Rodgers. Absolutely insane.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
@BShark said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
@dylans said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
@Woodrow said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
How has your view of the program changed?
Before I could defend Kansasā virtue to the KSU homers. Now I really canāt. Itās changed my view from my Roy Williams tinted good old boy routine to one of cynicism. Jaybate was unfortunately more right than I wanted to admit.
I guess Iām more disgusted in the lack of a convictions that fans have. If this guy played for UK or Missouri we would slaughter his character and the programs for selling their soul for wins. Since he signed with KU Iāve already seen people trying to justify his actions. (Heās not a bad kid/she made it up/he didnāt do it/itās not that bad/etc). If we held the program to higher standards they would not be able to stoop to these lows.
The Venn diagram of the āget over Morrisā and āactually Tyreek Hill is a great fatherā fans is a circle
Vibes were immaculate after winning a SB without Tyreek.
Cut the woman beaters in half!
Frank? Trying to recall.
@AsadZ said in NFL Draft - 2023:
Veatch liked his versatility, played multiple position - safety, nickel, outside.
Definitely a Spags DB. Versatile like you said, big hands, good length, great jumper. Fast enough.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
@dylans said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
@Woodrow said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
How has your view of the program changed?
Before I could defend Kansasā virtue to the KSU homers. Now I really canāt. Itās changed my view from my Roy Williams tinted good old boy routine to one of cynicism. Jaybate was unfortunately more right than I wanted to admit.
I guess Iām more disgusted in the lack of a convictions that fans have. If this guy played for UK or Missouri we would slaughter his character and the programs for selling their soul for wins. Since he signed with KU Iāve already seen people trying to justify his actions. (Heās not a bad kid/she made it up/he didnāt do it/itās not that bad/etc). If we held the program to higher standards they would not be able to stoop to these lows.
The Venn diagram of the āget over Morrisā and āactually Tyreek Hill is a great fatherā fans is a circle
Vibes were immaculate after winning a SB without Tyreek.
Veach has had two straight really good draft before this one. Before those it was mixed at best. Lots of guess work in this line of work. I do like the athletic profile for the DB.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
@Woodrow said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
@COHawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
Is the negative attention nationwide or only on this site? I would guess that many of the kids playing college sports come with some kind of risk. I would also. think that when a court decision is made then a decision will be made on his playing or not. Let's not be judge, jury and executioners since we know only what the media has chosen to give us.
I havenāt seen one national person even comment on this signing let alone write about it. So letās just say itās a nationwide outrage.
The commitment just happened yesterday and the NFL Draft is going on this weekend. We'll probably hear a little bit about it next week.
Friday at 5pm was not a coincidence.
@wissox said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
@Woodrow We're fans being fans! We all know we don't have the ultimate answer, but this signing deserves some scrutiny. I hope a year from now we'll be saying we were wrong about.
It's absolutely worth discussing. What else are message boards for? An echo chamber would be boring*.
*respect for @kuballin10
@COHawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
Is the negative attention nationwide or only on this site? I would guess that many of the kids playing college sports come with some kind of risk. I would also. think that when a court decision is made then a decision will be made on his playing or not. Let's not be judge, jury and executioners since we know only what the media has chosen to give us.
This is the most divisive addition in awhile. Anywhere you have people that talk about KU basketball there are arguments about this. Wouldn't surprise me to see articles from Wolken, Forde, Oneill etc but I haven't went looking.
@dylans said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
I guess Iām more disgusted in the lack of a convictions that fans have. If this guy played for UK or Missouri we would slaughter his character and the programs for selling their soul for wins. Since he signed with KU Iāve already seen people trying to justify his actions. (Heās not a bad kid/she made it up/he didnāt do it/itās not that bad/etc). If we held the program to higher standards they would not be able to stoop to these lows.
Lots of faith in the "justice system" too. Maybe a bad faith argument to begin with but as someone that has seen the "justice system" in action plenty, especially wrt domestic violence that is NOT the flex people think it is.
I think both sides of this are valid. The only person that can answer how you should feel on this is you. If you want to only care about sports/winning that's your choice.
Not the first time Arterio has been involved with a gun, btw.
@dylans said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:
This just feels like a bad dream. - Iām being punked right? Bill living in the portal Self surely didnāt identify a woman beater as one of his top targets and aggressively go get him, did he? The sad thing is Allen Fieldhouse will be sold out wildly supporting this guys ability to play basketball in spite of his off court actions. - Alabama lite/ Texas North?
Is KU basketball so important to us fans that we can completely overlook character in favor of god given talent? For some the answer is clearly yes.
If you believe the rumors, Arterio was allegedly his 2nd most wanted guy behind Hunter. Not saying you are of course, but probably a bad idea for anyone to hold Self/the staff on any kind of pedestal. It's about winning only. Self has made that statement LOUD AND CLEAR with his actions.
I am not overlooking this but agree many are, basically trying to hand wave the issues away. Mostly my twitter mutuals and other people I talk to within the fanbase feel similarly to me, but I've definitely gotten into it with some people on this one. One basically had nothing of value to say so he just kept saying "didn't ask" to w/e I said so I just blocked them. I went to multiple games last year, but I'm definitely not going to games with Morris on the team.
Ochai is a good one. Dave and Landen were also really awesome dudes.
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2023 Recruiting:
I think McDowell is a really good long term prospect. Idk on Johnson. He had a horrible senior year which is not good from a guy you hoped would develop. Honestly another year of prep school wouldnāt the worst thing.
You know ball Farmer.
He's good. Some work to be done due to how KSU played him and I suspect the Chiefs will want to play him differently. High upside pick.
Primo for threeeemo #HanniPost
YOU ARE A DEPAUL BLUE DEMON!!!
@Jethro Yes. He wouldn't be brought in to start. Basically there is about 0% chance that CJ or McDowell will contribute. Will be interesting to see if anyone gets let go.