Grimes had 27 points in a win last night. Back to playing TX HS competition.
BShark
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If things go well with Dedric and KJ, I think Chandler is an automatic take. Where he plays is interesting. I think he is skilled enough to be a wing. Probably a mix of the 3 and 4.
I've really liked Malik Hall's game from when I first saw KU was recruiting but I'm not sure how he fits in. Someone will have to end up elsewhere. It's obvious there is interest both ways here, as he has visited multiple times.
Then you factor in Jalen Wilson who KU offered recently and is really good. Also you take him 100% if it gets you RJ Hampton.
Could KU add 3 versatile wings? That seems like a tough sell but who knows.
I don't think we add a true center type. Going to battle with SO (JR?) De Sousa and SO McCormack is probably fine though. Then a mix of JRE/KJ/SR Mitch at the 4.
I'm interested to see how this all shakes out, but it's pretty far off for now.
I hope Cal just hangs em up when OAD goes away. :joy:
Seriously though I would hope KU could hold on to JRE.
RJ Hampton is an exciting player and I hope he ends up at KU. I think he makes more sense in the 2020 class though.
Overall very solid analysis. I think a class of Jacobs, Harvey, JRE, Lawson makes the most sense. Add another player for depth if needed depending on the scholarship situation.
WVU beats Virginia. Really good win for the league.
@FarmerJayhawk Agree strongly about USC.
Ball State wins with a buzzer beating 3.
jayballer54 said:
BShark said:
Story developing in South Bend, Indiana....
About what? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BAY
Ball State 69 Notre Dame 66 at the under 4 timeout.
Story developing in South Bend, Indiana....
Nova is real good.
Adrian Peterson, Joe Mixon...what a fine school...
Some interesting games tonight.
SDSU is up on WSU but it's early.
Nevada taking it to TTU.
WVU up on UVA so far.
The are we done thread is getting a little long so I figured I'd make another general thread.
2019 really looks like it could be special.
I saw an article about Cassius Stanley staying open where his dad talked about how they were taking a different approach to recruiting and that they want the school to be a "respectable institution". KU was mentioned along with USC, OU and UT as the schools on him hardest.
Then a fairly knowledgeable KU poster makes a thread and says that he heard from a colleague in the LA area that Stanley and his dad both like KU quite a bit.
For those unaware this kid is absolutely an NBA talent. Top 10 in a strong class. 6'5'' 180lb guard.
What's going on here? All I know is I didn't do anything. Lol.
BigBad said:
What is crazy is our 2008 team was LOADED with pros and we barely survive Stephen Curry in the Elite Eight. Go back and watch that game on youtube. Curry is what he is now. No idea how scouts didnt see it coming.
Yeah I've actually watched this game quite a few times. We were fortunate that Curry didn't take the final shot, from any range.
@HawkChamp I don't think he is very good. I've been wrong before though...
Not sure I would buy that with Cunliffe but there are a lot of bad teams out there I suppose.
One thing @BigBad is really right about is we tend to overrate the NBA potential of KU players. I'm guilty of it myself even.
@Big-Clyde52 Well @dylans already covered it but yes when KU took the Lawsons his interest in KU cooled. Juiston had two years to consider and he knew he wouldn't start ahead of Dedric his last year. Hard to blame the kid, as of course he has his professional future to think about so it makes sense he would want to be showcased.
I was on the same page with @Crimsonorblue22 in thinking his game would translate to the D1 level. You never know with JUCOs but he has a lot of things you can't teach.
@JayHawkFanToo Fair enough. Kids claim offers and interest they don't have all the time* (it's worse in football but still) which is why I like to see what people from the actual schools are saying. I'm pretty sure he could not have transferred to Arizona but at the end of the day only the Arizona staff and Maxwell know the truth.
*It actually happened last recruiting cycle with Andre Rafus. He kept KU on his list and claimed an offer but he was never seriously recruited by KU.
@JayHawkFanToo I admit I handled that poorly because I was told to google it when I already had looked into it at the time, because I was baffled by the take. So I'm sorry for calling you a liar, though I do think you are incorrect that he was highly coveted. I suppose I'm back into this now so...
I already mentioned that article. Pursued by is loose and vague. Didn't see anything from an Arizona source saying they were interested (and yes I looked). It looks good for KU to "beat" Arizona. I think the other actual players involved were the likes of Baylor and La Salle, maybe Cincinatti. La Salle definitely wanted him though that isn't cited in the article because well that doesn't look as good, recruiting against La Salle.
Newman, Moore and the Lawsons are examples of the other end of the spectrum where we know other schools wanted them because people from other schools actually said as much. Illinois definitely wanted Moore, for example.
I'll be done with this now, I got a bit prickly. :/
Either way KU was supremely desperate and/or mis-evaluated both. Neither is a good look. Mis-evaluation would be worse however...
JayHawkFanToo said:
GIYF.
I posit that you are lying. No one else went after Maxwell. Not sure he had another place he could have actually landed at. Many people thought it was baffling at the time and he wasn't a KU level player.
I know some fluff piece from a KU slanted source mentioned Arizona, but no way could he have ended up there.
@JayHawkFanToo Link/source please. I know UNC was briefly interested in Whitman then said no. That's about it.
BeddieKU23 said:
A few things. I agree the situations with Maxwell and Whitman were bizarre. Maxwell ended up in some banjo bible club and Whitman has apparently fallen off into Witness protection. It's always interesting to see where guys land after they leave KU. It looks bad when you look back on it.
The Bragg situation definitely is a black hole in this whole thing. We've seen a lot of snowball effect since. From Ayton going to Zona, to getting Billy to Maxwell leaving, to Bragg being forced out, to Coleby leaving, to Whitman joining and leaving and now Preston's current situation. That's a lot of bodies in and out from one position group in a single year.
2018 and beyond feels like it will be an over-correction to the issue at hand. It helps when you can present recruits playing time especially in today's recruiting. Will we run into similar issues going forward if we don't have immediate PT to offer these big guys? Will we be more selective of who we actually go after? I think its been a bit sloppy to target what we have recently. Maybe going forward the staff is more selective in who they target and potentially get.
Generally when players transfer from KU under they don't have a ton of success. AWIII and Milton Doyle are the exceptions. Frankamp has been decent but nothing special at WSU.
Bragg was a tough one. No negative stuff on him coming out of HS and he really looked like a good fit. Bad combination of his own personal vices and Self ruining him a bit. Yes I'm putting some blame on Self here. I know some won't want to hear it but it's true. Self figured it out with Perry eventually, so it's disappointing that he tried to play Bragg out of position.
So I don't think Bragg was a poor target/take, it just didn't work out.
I've thought for awhile the staff needs to trust their own evaluations and not just chase recruiting service rankings. I think we are heading in the right direction based on recent results but the sample size is small.
Highly coveted by who? That's revisionist history at its finest.
Also Evan was not a grad transfer.
Tarik was a top 60 player coming out of HS, so the talent was there. Maxwell and Whitman were simply bad takes.
@BigBad To your point the times that Self has had multiple guys that hung around the league he made the title game...
2008: Rio, Arthur, Cole and Rush still in the league.
2012: Taylor had a couple years, now around Europe. TRob was around until last year. Withey still in the league.
I certainly agree about Graham, Svi and Doke. Graham is a great college guard but his pro ball will be in Europe.
I disagree about Vick though. I think he can hang around.
I'm really hopeful for next season. Grimes I feel is an NBA talent. I'm on the fence about Dotson he needs to develop his shot and he certainly came to the right place for that. Silvio has the tools and Dedric is incredibly skilled.
BeddieKU23 said:
Whitman left us with little chance of replacing him especially when you don't even make it out of the summer before leaving. Timing was key with him. Of course, taking Whitman in the first place was a gamble. Why did we have to gamble on a 5th year transfer to be a rotation piece. Why couldn't we have found someone earlier? We could have pushed for another fall commitment but we didn't. We left ourselves scrambling for spring scraps. We had a reputation for recruiting slow in the fall. 2018 class is a change from that. 2019 could be as well if reports are true about the staff changing things up.
Why did Coleby up and leave?
Why was Maxwell even on the team and then all of a sudden vanished? His exile opened up the door for Sam Cunliffe who's still a major TBD.. At least he gives us a 6th guard to use in our 4-1.
I hope the revolving door of taking in transfer post players is over. We should be able to recruit starters and rotation/development pieces at KU in the post. The Lawsons we hope work out. They bring a ton of experience and talent but we've seen them making headlines before playing a game. Suspensions, drama back home, maturity issues exist with them. So the door is open that they become just like Whitman, Coleby, Maxwell instead of a Tarik Black. We'll certainly see.
Maxwell and Whitman even being taken were great mysteries. It makes a little more sense with Whitman because at that point Self just wanted a warm body. Then the reports were Whitman was behind Mitch. Yeesh, no wonder he left.
Getting a second post commitment last fall was probably close to impossible. Of course now it appears that there is a clear path to playing time. Last fall however KU had 6 yes 6 post players possibly (likely even) on the team for this year. Maxwell, Lightfoot, Coleby, Bragg, Doke and Billy. That's crowded even if recruits were assuming Bragg would go. The other 5 were locked in for all intents and purposes.
I'd say we should be looking at some post stability going forward but with the way things have gone the last few years, that would just feel like a hard jinx at this point.
kjayhawks said:
Although I’d say it doesn’t look good for Billy or DeSousa playing this year.
I think we end up with just one at this point.
I'm ready for Self to work his black magic with Sosinski.
Okay so now he has been added to the team. If we take Self at his word that he is "hard for Doke to score on" isn't he immediately our 2nd best available big? Not that it's saying much, but still, it sounds like he could help.
@jaybate-1.0 They are ranked lower than some of the sisters of the poor we have played. Tifwiw.
Yeah, I'll take Billy please!
Pretty normal high school situation. The only other player that will play beyond HS is going to a Kansas JUCO.
Somehow we have the #3 D but I think that is in large part due to our schedule.
If it's just Cunliffe it's really going to be a battle all year. Not every coach will be as dumb as Boeheim if and when Clay Young goes out there.
137 Kenpom and the #204 defense. WOOF.
If he isn't NCAA eligible I would think they'd want to have him finish at IMG so he could have all his eligibility and be ready to go first semester at KU.
Not going to bother watching another game this year.
Yeah I was just thinking all time team again.
Arguments will be moot when Bama wins the whole thing.
I'd lean towards a Kirk and Rio back court. Then Danny as the 4.
Are we assuming everyone is at the peak of their powers? I would think so.
I'd have Paul and Embiid for sure, I think the rest is really up for debate.
jaybate 1.0 said:
Thx 2 all 4 the strokes.
Now let's see if our Birds can sweep the 2 in 4 vs. Washington and Zona State coming next!
Yeeeee hawwww!
Basketball season in full swing is the next best thing to being young again!!!!
Washington should be cruise control. They are actually ranked lower than some of the rummies we have been playing.
I like the Cobra nickname for Vick. We need more for other players. :joy:
dylans said:
As long as we are wishing redshirt Sr. Embiid would be pretty nice about now.
Howling.
This is great, classic @jaybate-1-0
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Made me mad when dickie v got on dte about celebrating his shot! Just play bb. He went on to shut him up!🤐 That's coaches job not not his.
You'd think with all his stupid comments where he gets excited he wouldn't be such a scrooge mcduck over a mild celebration.
Hawk8086 said:
@mayjay , Bshark. Thanks.
Sure thing.
kjayhawks said:
@Crimsonorblue22 I watched him play and told everyone he would be a solid player. I would’ve took him over the transfer that abandoned ship all day.
This wasn't the choice though. Once KU took the Lawsons, that pushed Juiston elsewhere because he wants to play a lot both years.
He would be a welcome addition to this team though, that is true.
mayjay said:
@Hawk8086 On the first question, I think that with the rim hang stopping play on the T, it may have gone back to Syracuse on alternate posession (our rebound therefore not counting).
Correct. Technical was for making a play on the ball while hanging on the rim. When it happened no one had possession so they went to the possession arrow.
Cuse fans after the game.
32 and 20 pts in the games yesterday. College Park lost both.