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@justanotherfan

I have read at number of papers on the subject by constitutional attorney and most of them cite the fact that since his parent were “legal” immigrants at the time of his birth and they were subject to the jurisdiction of the US which then gave him his citizenship rights.

In 1884, the Supreme Court ruled that a Native American born under the jurisdiction of a Native American tribe could not unilaterally make himself a United States citizen, since “no one can become a citizen of a nation without its consent.” If a Native American could not be a citizen solely by birth, then it is even more unrealistic for children of illegal aliens.

So, it is very apparent that the “jurisdiction” part played a big role in both decisions. Again, I am not a constitutional attorney or even an attorney but I am pretty good at doing research and from what I have gathered to date, while there is disagreement on the issue above, the majority seems to be on the side of non granting citizenship to children of illegal aliens.

It is also more apparent that this issue has moved from the legal to the political arena and it is time it moves back to the forum it belongs and that we have a definite decision on the issue and we all abide by it...this is the way our system is supposed to work.

@justanotherfan

You conveniently left out the part he was born in the US to “legal” immigrant parents.

The 14th amendment indicates...

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

The “...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is the part that would exclude children of illegal immigrants since they are subject to the jurisdiction of their own country as per the Vienna convention and this is why, when detained, the call the Consul of their own country. This is the way every other country in the world address the issue and none that I know grants automatic citizenship to children of illegal immigrants.

It is now the time for the SCOTUS to finally issue a decision on this subject, which is exactly what Trump is aiming for.

@bang_sheezo

Perhaps you would like to share what BBall program you follow?

@justanotherfan

That is a straw man argument. Everybody knows (or should) the Constitution cannot be changed with an executive order. The objective is not for Trump to change the constitution, the real objective is for the executive order to be challenged and the case referred to the SCOTUS where the 14th Ammendment can be finally be interpreted and once and for all decided in the place where it should be. Here is a good write up on the subject. ↗

@BShark

Vick has been a very pleasant surprise, he has lead, been vocal and playing hard and effectively. I guess his fling with the real world made him realize he has work do do and he is trying very hard to prepare himself for the next step.

For those of you who are worried, here are Coach Self’s comments ↗ after the game...

HEAD COACH BILL SELF

Opening statement:

"I thought we were bad in the first half. I thought our starters played well and when we subbed, it was about even. I think the second half, gosh dang, our starters had the best ten minutes they've had all year. The 22-0 run, that was good. There were good things that happened, obviously. Quentin and Devon weren't getting shots in the first half but they were obviously better in the second half. But I thought Lagerald, Dedric, Doke and Charlie all had pretty solid games."

Again remember tha KU went on a 22-0 run that extended to a 33-5 run. This team can play once it gets it rhythm together.

@dylans

Oops...mos posters read all threads anyway. I will also post it to the correct thread.🤭

For those of you who are worried, here are Coach Self’s comments ↗ after the game...

HEAD COACH BILL SELF

Opening statement:

"I thought we were bad in the first half. I thought our starters played well and when we subbed, it was about even. I think the second half, gosh dang, our starters had the best ten minutes they've had all year. The 22-0 run, that was good. There were good things that happened, obviously. Quentin and Devon weren't getting shots in the first half but they were obviously better in the second half. But I thought Lagerald, Dedric, Doke and Charlie all had pretty solid games."

Again remember KU went on a 22-0 run that extended to a 33-5 run. This team can play once it gets it rhythm together.

Woodrow said:

People read way too much into exhibition games. Ballard even mentioned it last night about how hard it is to get guys up for games like that. He mentioned his times at KU and what the locker room was like before those games. KU's intensity and focus will be on a whole different level come Tuesday and the rotation will be much shorter which will help the guys get into a rhythm.

I will take KU 74 - 63

Exactly. Not only that but Coach Self tried all kinds of combination that we will likely never see again.

@dylans

JRE is a very good player but likely not elite. It reminds some of Travis Releford who at one time was ranked as high as #12 but ended up a lot lower. He red shirted his sophomore year and ended up being a solid player who started his last two years and was a big asset to the program; in many ways, the ideal college player. JRE played well at the Under 18 Tournament and would have been a good match to Hurt.

As I said before, once prospects get attention from college coaches they start to believe they are better than they really are. Every player in the top 5 believes he is the next Jordan or Bird or Magic, ever player in the top 20 believes he will a NBA super star and every player in the top 100 believes he will end up in the NBA...and we are still waiting for the next Jordan, maybe 1 in every draft becomes a super star and only a handful even make it to he next level.

Huge unrealistic expectations more often than not fueled by family and friends who see the prospect as their future meal ticket and thus created expectations that cannot be met. He will be a fine college player and has a decent chance of making it to the next level once he comes to terms with his strengths and weaknesses. He will be very good player for Villanova but not an OAD.

A man's GOT to know his limitations - Inspector “Dirty” Harry Callahan.

KU 75, MSU 66

In the post game interview Coach Self indicated he was pleased with the way the “starters” played; sounded like he tried several different line ups to experiment but he knows who will be playing and he just did not show up all his cards. Also, in the post game interview the reporter asked Mitch “how watered down was the offense for this game”? And Mitch did not quite answer which would appear to indicate reporters knew KU was holding back. KU coasts to a win.

@approxinfinity

Seriously? That’s what you are going with?

That was a racist statement any way you look at it. Had Trump said it he would be crucified. The liberal double standard never ceases to amaze me.

Aren’t we glad Vick decided to come back?

Pretty poor first half and much better second half. Dedrick and Vick great from 3, Dedrick 4-4 and Vick 4-7. Lots of options and looked like Coach Self was testing all kinds of combinations and once the rotation is settled the team will be much better.

Biggest story of the night...after missing the first FT Doke makes the next 5 to finish 5-6 from the line...hopefully it is a trend and the “poke-a-Doke” is history.

Question of the night...how did Washburn get Steve Nash to coach the team? :smile:

...yes, I know it’s Brett Ballard but he is a dead ringer for Steve Nash.

If the Board of Regents has done its due diligence, they have already done an evaluation of the program and have had a bean counter study the pros, cons and cost of keeping versus firing Miller. In the end, it comes down to money.

Kcmatt7 said:

It absolutely is time for Snyder to retire. He has health issues and he has quit trusting his coaching staff. I get that he wants his son to be the coach after him, but it isn't his decision. Nor should it be. It isn't a family business.

Well...the stadium is named after his family, the owns the rights to the Powercat logo, his kid is an assistant coach, has had a say on gets hired and fired and he has as much power within the AD as Coach Self has at KU. After all these years he probably believes it is a family business but in the process he is losing all the good will accumulated and risking tarnishing his reputation. He needs to move on and let his kid stand on his own.

The following is an excerpt picked up from one the many reports...

Being the paragon of political-correctness and queen of virtue-signaling opportunism, Hillary Clinton sat down with Recode's Kara Swisher this weekend to answer questions about just how evil and awful conservative opponents have been in the last few months.

The conversation began normally, with Clinton hypocritically toeing the progressive line of identity politics by explaining how each of the groups are different but can be managed by the same liberal movement:

"What’s often called political correctness is politeness,” Clinton said.

“It’s not being rude and insulting to people. It’s respecting the diversity that we have in our society,” she said.

“The Democratic Party is a much more diverse political party, attracting people who are African-American, Latino, LGBT, whatever the reason why people feel more comfortable where they are taken in, where they are included as part of a political movement or party."

“And I don’t think it’s politically correct to say we value that. And I don’t want to go around insulting people. I don’t want to paint with a broad brush every immigrant is this, every African-American is that, every, you know, other person with different religious beliefs or whatever - that’s childish."

Childish, indeed. Insulting, indeed.

Just 30 seconds later, as Swisher asked:

"what do you think of Cory Booker... saying ‘kick them in the shins,’ essentially...” incorrectly recalling Eric Holder's recent comments.

Which Clinton quickly corrected:

“Well that was Eric Holder..."

Adding, rather extraordinarily,

"Yeah, I know they all look alike,” Clinton joked, triggering howls of laughter from the apparently mind-numbed audience.

Sorry Hillary, we don't think they look anything alike? Or did u mean all black people?

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Finally, we have one question - what would have happened if Trump said it?

@approxinfinity

This is exactly what I am saying. News is part of the day time programming and the evening/night programming is primarily opinion. I watch the cable news networks only occasionally and I get my information from other sources. Ever since Rupert Murdoch’s kid took over Fox, the channel has become considerably less conservative, particularly day time programming. Evening programming is way too profitable to mess with so that portion has stayed conservative although O’Reilly is now gone. Other liberal leaning daytime hosts like Megan Kelly was very successful in her daytime slot but once she moved to the opinion time she was so anti Trump that lost audienc but the MSM networks came calling and she moved on...and got fired...

The Fox that you talk about is the way it was many moons ago but not what it is now, this why a lot of conservatives have quit watching Fox. Google Shepard Smith and you will see the number of stories wandering why he is still with the network and the answer is because it is the new direction of the network. Again, Shepard Smith is to Fox what Wolf Blitzer is to CNN.

@approxinfinity

I see what the issue is. You are lumping together the news division with the opinion shows. Shepard Smith has always been and still is part of the news group and not the opinion group like Hannity and Carlson are. He is now in the top news time slot which is in the afternoon while the top time slots for opinionix are in the evening. Smith is now so biased against Trump that he has lost credibility and viewership and he is making the news more like opinion which is not what the news division is or should be about, i.e. report the news not make the news.

I never said you were a fan of Fox, actually it is quite the contrary; however you did indicate that you watch it closely but your lack of knowledge of its line up would indicate the opposite and once you start citing numbers it indicates more of a Google search than actual hands on....or perhaps eyes on...experience. Just my observation.

@approxinfinity

I don’t know what to make of your answer. You say you watch Fox News and yet you don’t know who Shepard Smith is and he has been with Fox News since its inception in 1996 and is the channel's chief news anchor and managing editor of the breaking news division. Smith is the former host of Fox News' evening newscast, The Fox Report with Shepard Smith, and Studio B. In 2013, Shepard Smith Reporting replaced Studio B. He is extreme anti Trump. Juan Williams, formerly of of NPR and PBS, has been with Fox for several year now since he was fired by NPR/PBS and he is a regular panel member on the. Sunday Fox show with Chris Wallace and several other show shows and extremely liberal and rabidly anti Trump. This is the equivalent of saying you follow KU basketball closely and yet don’t know who Kurtis Townsend or Norm Roberts are.

As far as BS, look at how many times recently CNN had to retract flat out lies it published. How about NBC that withheld exculpatory evidence during the Kavanaugh saga? ↗ You are quick to indicate Fox publishes lies but I have not seen where you have shown any and you have not mentioned the actual lies published by the MSM.

A friend of mine, former Assistant City Enginner for the City of Hutchinson (I did send his name to @Crimsonandblue12 at one time to see if she knew him) and a very liberal democrat was staying at my house and, much like you, kept saying he did not watch Fox News because it was all lies. I asked him how he knew that since he did not watch Fox and his answer was...everybody knows Fox lies and is extreme right. I suggested that instead of listening to others he should see it for himself and watch Fox News for one week and form his own opinion. He did and at the end of the week he had changes his mind. He said that every show he watched that had guests, there always were guest from both sides and with differing opinions. He was actually very surprised by this because it was not what he expected, but again, a lot of the criticism of Fox News is by people that don’t even watch it.

Based on the information available to date, I would think that the worst of the storm is over for KU but just starting for programs like Arizona, Creighton, De Paul and others including Duke who might lose Zion and be in a world of trouble arising from his recruitment. There is no way Zion went anywhere without getting paid a lot of money. I don't believe we have seen the end of it.

I would think this is the approach KU is likely taking, telling prospects the worst is behind and is clear sailing moving forward.

@HighEliteMajor

My point was that Billy and his mom were under the impression that KU personnel was not aware of the payments and tried to keep the information from them. It also appears that KU personnel were not aware of the payments to Billy's mom and apparently kept asking Billy questions about it and he did not volunteered any information and the he finally bolted.

@HighEliteMajor

The texts between Preston and his mom appear to indicate the coaching staff did not know about the payments and a deliberate attempt by mom and son to keep the information from them. Preston did not play in any offcial games so I would think KU is pretty safe in this particular case.

BShark said:

@mayjay “These bombs are just a false flag trying to make us look bad” says the party who steals babies and puts them in cages.

And what party would that be who steal babies and puts them in cages? The children in cages is just fake news that never happened, the cages were used as props during a staged protest by illegal aliens...during the Obama administration... ↗and were never used by ICE and yet protest leaders doubled down on it knowing that the the photos were fake ↗.

Let me ask you a question. What happens if in your way home with your kids, you or any American citizen are stopped by the police and arrested for cause, say you caused an accident, would your kids be allowed to go to the detention center with you? I think not. Social Services would be called and in the absence of the other parent they would be places in a different location, right? Illegal aliens come in knowing full well that they are breaking the law and bring their kids to prevent being deported on the spot knowing their kids will be taken as is the case in every other lawful arrest/detention. Why should illegal aliens that willfully break the law have more rights than an American citizen?

BTW, the kids that are separated from their parent are not placed in cages but in facilities orders of magnitude better than any thing they have known and cost the American Taxpayers upwards of $30K per year.

If you don't want to be detained and separated from your kids then don't come here illegally and expect special privileges. Millions of immigrants come into the country legally every year, why should law breakers that try to jump to the front of the line get special privileges?

approxinfinity said:

@DoubleDD that's because the things that Fox News says are verifiably BS, and they're so in bed with Trump they make Russian hookers look tame.

I have what i believe is a very valid/fair question for you. Why is its that you watch Fox News so much that you know that as you put it...the things Fox News says are verifiable BS; only a person that watches that network a lot would be able to make that type of statement, don't you think? If it is so bad, I would think you would avoid watching it altogether.

To a resonable observer, the MSM is a lot more closely allied with Liberals/Democratic Party that Trump is with Fox. There are several hosts/analysts at Fox that are very anti-Trump starting withe Shepard Smiths and Juan Williams and even Chris Wallace is very anti Trump although not as overt as the others. Is there anyone at CNN or MSNBC or any of the networks that are equivalent?

@mayjay

If Preston was worth $90K then Zion must have gotten considerably more. I can’t imagine Zion going anywhere that did not pay...and I mean a lot more than $90K.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 it was a really good game.

An interesting and close game with a good outcome perhaps but I would hardly call it a good one.

@Crimsonorblue22

Nope. Only when they broadcast the game. If I recall correctly 5 more basketball games that are not on the networks will be on 38. You are probably watching the original Metro Sports feed that Comcast and Spectrum as well as other local providers in Kansas carry.

@BShark

No, it was not on 38. Only the games that are not available on the networks are shown on 38. The game was on FS1.

@BShark

The teams was very shorthanded last season so that partially explains it. Also, Coach Self is big on defense and player that are willing to play tough defense will see more minutes. Very impressive either way.

He was indeed a GM..and not a good one.

@Crimsonorblue22

Baseball has always been a game in which most of the actual playing time features a lot of people standing around waiting for something to happen. Now each game features a lot of people standing around waiting for the game to resume so they can stand around waiting for something to happen.

Very funny but true.

Woodrow said:

Sounds like DJ Jeffries will committ to Memphis this morning. Top 40 kid who is the cousin of the Lawson twins if I remember correctly.

A lot of high expectations for Memphis with a good class and lots of interest. There seems to be this idea that a former pro star will make a great coach which is not always the case; the better coaches were many times fringe players like Jackson and Kerr and stars like Jordan flopped big time as NBA coaches or GMs. Two of the elite coaches in the NBA Popovch and Stevens played only for minor college programs. Former star NBA players that coach college include Patrick Ewing, Chris Mullins, Danny Manning, Mark Price, Reggie Theus, Avery Johnson and Damon Stoudamire and none is setting the world on fire.

A good seasons and Memphis could get commitment from a number of top recruits and become a powerhouse or Hardaway could be the next Shaka Smart.

@stoptheflop

A lot of teams would prefer not to play top competition so early in the season and risk being spanked; also teams derive more income playing at home. Yes, the exposure is big but it is partly because teams are popular and consistently good; other teams might no carry the same audience and getting beaten badly would not be necessarily good exposure. Games are scheduled way in advance so it would be impossible to know which teams will be good.

The current 4 teams are traditionally good every year where the teams that make to the Final Four many times have a big drop the year after. For example, the 4 current team are ranked 1, 2, 4 and 10. The four teams in the last Final Four would be ranked 1, 9, 19 and unranked; a KU - Villanova rematch would have a good audience but a Michigan - Loyola game would not.

@mayjay

I noticed that too. I believe he had surgery over the Summer and I take it his doctors read him the riot act about his weight

@BShark

The Chinese are all over Latin America and America companies don’t have the influence they once did.

@mayjay

You can sit next to the router and still have crappy transmission rates, it depends on how your router and phones are configured or how much bandwidth the ISP is actually delivering.

You can go to www.speedtest.net and run a test and you will have actual numbers for download and upload even whe I believe the test gives you inflated numbers. Your Samsung S5 has a utility that does the same things and actually is pretty good.

One time I was uploading gigs of data to my Amazon Cloud and I noticed very slow rates, I run the test and showed 7 Mbps where it should have been 100 Mbps. I called Consolidated and after checking I was told that my entire neighborhood had been slow due to defective equipment and nobody had complained. Another time I was told my account had been accidentally downgraded to the lowest speed and the idiot tech. kept telling me that it was the correct speed; it took a supervisor to admit his tech was a moron and I was correct. Often enough people don’t know how fast their connection should be and pay for a lot more than they actually get

Chanel 38 in KC showed the 30 minute pre-game and 1 hour post-game shows.

@DanR

Can't say I blame you but what the audience and the coaching staff want are not always the same thing. I am sure the staff was more interested in having the players execute the plays and play as a team and dunks were not a priority...they will come when needed.

@BigBad

Doke was at a distinct disadvantage with several smaller, faster players crowding him and making him pretty ineffective due to his inability to quickly pass the ball to the open players. Doke could have had a dozen assists but it is not something the he will face against most teams and I am sure, or at least I hope, the coaching staff will work on getting him to get rid of the ball when double or triple teamed. Big, strong, slow players typically have problems with smaller, faster players.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@JayHawkFanToo you are no fun! Dunks get the crowd going! Intimidate your foe! How would you feel to have doke dunk on you!😿👶

Isn't it what I said? I don't believe the crowd needed dunks to get going and AFH by itself is intimidating enough to Division II teams such as Emporia.

Sorry to disappoint you but the chances of me being in the same court with Doke are about the same as me winning the Powerball...and I would take the Powerball. :smile:

@mayjay

It is more likely to be a slow Internet connection. Are you on wireless/wi-fi or wired? If you are on wi-fi try using the 5G frequency instead of the 2.4G. Here is a good write up ↗ on the subject.
if you are on wi-fi and your rate is not good because of distance from router or interference, try a am Internet power line adapter that moves the signal over power lines and you will see a considerably higher transmission rate. I use a power line adapter to connect a repeater (second router) to the main router and works great.

@DanR

Do dunks count more than the average, garden variety basket? If not, why waste the energy?

Dunks are more of an ego thing and at times designed to get the audience going; there was no need for that last night. UNC used to have a drill where layups would count more than dunks and regular baskets since it is the easiest and usually the safest shot to make, takes the least amount of energy and counts the same 2 points.

@HighEliteMajor

My point was that he can do very little time and have Adidas indebted to him or do no time and became a pariah in the business.

@Kcmatt7

If that is the case why would shoecos give contract to schools? Shoes are the primary money maker and if players wear what they want shoecos contracts with schools would cease to exist.

@mayjay

It is updated periodically and it is very handy to find former players; you can go way back and see some older Jayhawks and where they ended up playing.

Former Jayhawk Nick Bahe who transferred to Creighton is doing the commentary/color.

@Kcmatt7

Half an hour pre-game and one hour post-game as well....sweeeeeeet!!!

@mayjay

Here is a list ↗ that will tell you about every KU player that played at the next level.