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Joe Dooley Moving Up • Apr 05, 2018 02:11 PM

HighEliteMajor said:

@JayHawkFanToo No, you have said the NCAA tourney is a “crapshoot.” I have no idea why you would Insult Bill Self by suggesting our conference titles are tainted by inferior competition.

Did you not read my description of "crapshoot" with examples of games played...in the last month...and even scores?

Where did I say that our conference titles "are tainted by inferior competition"?

How exactly am I insulting Coach Self?

I see that you are still boldly making up "facts" as you go along, spinning and desperately grasping at straws ↗. Your really should be a politician. SMH.

2019 Recruiting • Apr 05, 2018 10:40 AM

@BShark

6’6” Center? Too bad Clay will not be at KU to play him when Nova comes to AFH in December. :smiley:

Why We Didn't Win -- Look Beyond Made Threes • Apr 05, 2018 10:34 AM

@BeddieKU23

This year, December 15, 2018...:smile:

Jack Harry's grade for this year's team • Apr 05, 2018 06:07 AM

Crimsonorblue22 said:

I thought he died!💀🥊

Nope, he just looks, acts and smells that way. :smile:

Modern Basketball vs Bill Self • Apr 05, 2018 05:57 AM

@BShark

Doke is not KAT, Embiid or Aldridge.

All three of them are great rebounders and have 3 point range; not even close.

Joe Dooley Moving Up • Apr 05, 2018 05:35 AM

@HighEliteMajor

If you are going to quote me at least do it correctly.

I said that winning the title is a function of matchups, talent, momentum and a whole lot of luck. This is why you can find numerous posts of mine advocating double elimination as a way to eliminate luck. You will also see where I wrote that other than football, where double elimination is logistically impossible, college basketball is the only major sport that is single elimination. Furthermore I have posted numerous times that without luck, KU would not have won in 1988 any more than the AAC UConn in 2014, but maybe KU would have won in other years.

More specifically to your point, does luck play a role in the Tournament? Absolutely...and so do matchups, momentum and above all talent.

As far as the tournament being a crapshoot look no further than this year. #16 UMBC beating overall #1 Virginia by 20 points, #13 Buffalo beating #4 Arizona by 21,#11 Syracuse beating #3 Michigan State, #9 Florida State beating #1 Xavier, Kansas State beating Kentucky, Loyola making it to the Final Four...a crapshoot indeed.

Now, whether by talent, luck, favorable draw, bought referees or happenstance, wining a title brings prestige and recognition to the program and conference. We brag about 1988 and few remember how lucky KU was to win that title and as good as the 2008 team was, it took Mario’s miracle to send the game into overtime and eventual win but other than diehard fans, few remember or care about the details. How about the 1952 title? This is a forum with fairly well informed fans but how many remember or know KU’s opponent thay year or details of the game without looking it up? How about the Helm Foundation titles? How many members know or care when those championships were? How many know that they were awarded retroactively 20 years after the fact and they were the results of the subjective research of just one individual?...and yet we mentioned them as part of KU’s five titles and KU’s success story.

As you can see, the contradictions exist only in your mind and not in my posts.

Joe Dooley Moving Up • Apr 04, 2018 07:33 PM

@BeddieKU23

By now he probably has a decent connection to Florida players in the 50-200 range.

Draft Declarations Thread • Apr 04, 2018 07:27 PM

@BShark

It was great day for Cal but not necessarily for UK and fans are starting to realize it is not working that great for them.

Why we did not win - part 3 • Apr 04, 2018 06:57 PM

@Crimsonorblue22

That is one game I would not mind watching live. :smile_cat:

2018-2019 Grad & Sitout Transfer Thread • Apr 04, 2018 06:55 PM

@BeddieKU23

Looks like the perfect storm at Wichita State is coming to an end and a cycle of mediocrity looms in the horizon.

Why we did not win - part 3 • Apr 04, 2018 06:49 PM

Villanova is coming to AFH December 15, 2018. I expect serious pay back.

Draft Declarations Thread • Apr 04, 2018 06:45 PM

@Kcmatt7

Looks like Cal’s magic is wearing out. For all the talent UK has accumulated it has only 1 NC to show. The UK forums after the loss to KSU were harsh; fans are tired of the OAD that does not benefit the program but only a handful of players and Cal’s reputation.

Doke • Apr 04, 2018 06:38 PM

@Statmachine

I agree. Doke is right now a one dimensional player and his particular dimension is one that is being phased out. He needs to develop a mid range game and become better at rebounding since he is a below average rebounder for his size. He can probably improve both playing an extra year in college otherwise he will be playing overseas.

Doke • Apr 04, 2018 06:34 PM

@drgnslayr

As long as it is not Sacramento, Phoenix or Memphis which appear to be the bottom franchises and where KU players seem to land. :anguished:

Why We Didn't Win -- Look Beyond Made Threes • Apr 04, 2018 06:23 PM

@HighEliteMajor

How can I misrepresent a story when I posted first a link and then copied the entire article verbatim for those with no access to the article in question? How exactly did I misrepresent the story when it is posted for all to see? When did I say that Coach Self was interviewed? You are entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.

As far as I know, Newell is a reputable sports reporter and he wrote/reported what he saw first hand; I guess that is not good enough for you...I know, Newell is just another Coach Self sycophant just like anyone that does not agree with you and we are all in a conspiracy to protect Coach a Self and to curry favor; what favor I could possible derive escapes me.

With this season being arguably one of the better if not Coach Self’s best coaching job and overachieved with a team most everybody including this forum thought had a Sweet 16 ceiling. I understand it must have been extremely difficult for you not to constantly criticize him and proclaim how much better you are than he is and how much more you know about the team than he does; you did not even get to mention whatever version of drug you believe he was using this go around and now, you finally get your chance...go for it, get it out of your system while you realize you will never coach at KU...even when you think you should...and instead you will continue using an anonymous sports forum to lecture fans (that just want to follow the team and have fun) on your greatness.

Doke • Apr 04, 2018 05:04 AM

@Texas-Hawk-10

I agree. Malik helped himself immensely in the later part of the season and post season and it would not surprise me if he is drafted in the first round. Also agree that Svi has more room to grow than a DevontĂŠ. Having said that, DevontĂŠ is an intriguing player with experience that could step in and play right away much like Mason is doing at Sacramento.

Choir Boys No More • Apr 04, 2018 04:02 AM

@BShark

If I recall correctly every game in the tournament was worth over $1.7M so Villanova earned over $10M payable over the next 6 years. I don’t know if the Big East shares money. Interesting that Loyola made more money than the entire PAC 12.

Draft Declarations Thread • Apr 04, 2018 03:49 AM

@BShark

I was referring to playing time, his scoring increased in proportion to the increased playing time.

Draft Declarations Thread • Apr 04, 2018 03:41 AM

@BShark @Kcmatt7

It is hard to tell whether Oubre was better than Selden since it a a subjective opinion but Selden had the advantage of an extra year in the system. Oubre’s numbers might be somewhat skewed because he did not play as much at the start of the season and his playing time increased as the season moved on. Both were All Big 12 Honorable Mention; Perry was First team and Mason Second team All Conference.

Choir Boys No More • Apr 04, 2018 12:36 AM

@Lulufulu

Lots of talk about it in other boards.

Last Five Seasons KU vs the "One-Trick Pony" • Apr 03, 2018 11:01 PM

Some time you have to strike while the iron is hot and it does not get any hotter for Villanova players than it is right now. Day Tripper could have gone to the draft after his freshman year when he was hot after the Tournament and he would have been a sure mid 1st round pick but he stayed and 3 years later he is a late first round pick at best and could slip to the second round.

Choir Boys No More • Apr 03, 2018 10:42 PM

@Blown

Chances are Wright might end up coaching the 76ers, perhaps sooner than we think.

Michigan Actually Plays D • Apr 03, 2018 10:33 PM

This all might became moot if the lane is widened and the 3 point line moved to where the international or NBA lines are. The current line is too close and too easy for good shooters to score from there. Moving the line back would restore some order to college basketball. Vitale makes the point in this video. ↗

Draft Declarations Thread • Apr 03, 2018 10:14 PM

@BShark

I will respectfully disagree on Oubre. Only Mason (36), Perry (34) and Selden (36) started more games than Oubre (27) and comparing his time with Traylor is not correct since Traylor was the starting Center sharing time with Lucas and Alexander and neither of them was that competent or experienced at the the time while Oubre was competing for time with Selden, Ellis, Svi and Green and yet he managed to average 21 mpg (more in conference play) and was the overall #15 pick in the draft after his freshman year. Perry, Selden, Mason, Graham and Green had all better 3 point shooting % than Oubre.

All things consider, a pretty successful year for Oubre.

Joe Dooley Moving Up • Apr 03, 2018 09:41 PM

@BShark

The AAC actually has one National Title in 2014 when UConn won it; this is more titles than the PAC 12 or the Big 10 have in this century. The AAC is a good conference with teams like Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, UConn, WSU, SMU and Temple. As close as you get to being a major conference.

Definitely a big promotion for Coach Dooley.

Trouble in Manhattan • Apr 03, 2018 09:28 PM

FWIW, his brother Ishmael played for Baylor and his grandfather Maurice King, became the first African American starter at Kansas during the 1954 season. He played four seasons (1953-57) for Phog Allen and was a teammate and fraternity brother of Wilt Chamberlain.

jaybate 1.0 said:

Note I never said they weren't once a great basketball conference.

Once? The Big East had 2 #1 seed this tournament and won 2 titles in the last 3 years, can any other conference claim this?

More importantly, are you able to have an adult discussion or will you continue to act like a petulant child?

I refer you to the last 2 lines of the first post by @approxinfinity

Why We Didn't Win -- Look Beyond Made Threes • Apr 03, 2018 06:38 PM

@HighEliteMajor

"Who ya gonna believe, me or your own eyes?" - Groucho Marx in Duck soup.

The article I linked and my post speak for themselves. You can spin it any way you want to justify your blaming Coach Self but obviously I have more respect for posters here and they are smart enough to read and make up their own minds.

If you read Newell's article and still don't think Coach Self was frustrated because players were not following the game plan then any further discussion is futile.

@jaybate-1.0

SMH. Gee Wally, all that for nothing...

NCAA Basketball Titles by conference in this century

  • ACC - 7 (3 different teams)
  • Big East - 6 (3 different teams)
  • SEC - 3 ( 2 different teams)
  • Big 12 -1
  • AAC - 1
  • PAC - 0
  • Big 10 - 0

You were saying? Equivalent to the Missouri Valley Conference? Are you off your meds or perhaps trying new meds of the recreational kind? :smoking: :smile:

The Big East has more titles than all the other conferences combined not including the ACC.

@BigBad

:100: Great link which goes to show most fan bases are alike and most of the time equally lacking in knowledge.

Why We Didn't Win -- Look Beyond Made Threes • Apr 03, 2018 05:07 PM

@HighEliteMajor

First, here is the link ↗ to the story in question.

And here is what it said...

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SAN ANTONIO
Udoka Azubuike couldn't help himself.

Villanova had already set a Final Four recor d for three-point makes with 15:17 still left in the game — but old habits die hard.

When Phil Booth drove to the lane — Kansas' Malik Newman stuck to his hip — Azubuike stayed anchored on the charge semicircle, waiting for a potential block attempt.

It was simple from there. Booth fired out to Omari Spellman in the corner, who made the wide-open three.

That was Azubuike's man.

A few seconds later, KU coach Bill Self screamed at his big man from the sideline.

"Doke!" he hollered, his palms toward the sky.

It didn't make things better for Self in KU's 95-79 loss to Villanova on Saturday night in the Final Four.

From that same spot, he had to watch as the next few possessions played out in similar ways.

Less than a minute later, Booth drove the middle. KU's Lagerald Vick was next to him, but teammate Marcus Garrett took a half-shuffle toward the rim to help.

That was enough. Quick pass to the wing. Donte DiVincenzo open for three.

"What are you doing?" Self yelled to Garrett as he crossed half-court.

A media timeout wasn't beneficial either. Next possession, when DiVincenzo started to put up a three with KU's Svi Mykhailiuk right next to him, Silvio De Sousa raised a hand more than 5 feet away, as if he were trying to feign interest.

DiVincenzo didn't shoot, though. He pulled it down and passed to Spellman, who had a full second to set up for another three when De Sousa turned his head to grab the rebound.

Self's refrain was familiar but intended for De Sousa: "What are you doing?"

"We've been playing teams that usually the guards can shoot, but not the big men. That was just a lot different," De Sousa said later in the locker room. "It's hard to guard a team where everybody can shoot."

Self would see that again on the next possession. DiVincenzo faked a drive in transition with Mykhailiuk in good defensive position, but De Sousa went back to instincts, falling behind his teammate to protect the rim.

Quick pass to Spellman. Late closeout by De Sousa. And after a pump-fake, Spellman had an open lane before De Sousa fouled him.

Self looked to the bench, pulling his thumb toward his body.

Azubuike knew what that meant. He checked in for De Sousa.

"If you help, somebody's going to be open," De Sousa said. "Today, as much as we tried, we just couldn't match up with them."

Azubuike coming in didn't provide the defensive answer either.

On the ensuing possession, Spellman received a pass before facing up Azubuike on the baseline, putting in an 18-footer over the top of him.

It became too painful for Self the next time down.

Villanova's Collin Gillespie drove baseline on Vick. And starting nearing the elbow, Azubuike took two steps back, his feet once again resting on the charge semicircle.

Everyone knew what was next. Quick pass to wing. Spellman open for three.

Self couldn't take it. He turned his back on the play, flailing his hand in the air in frustration.

There was 12:42 left on the clock. The shot missed, but that wasn't the point.

Self knew, just like everyone watching.

This was how Villanova had beaten KU.

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"Doke!" he hollered, his palms toward the sky.

"What are you doing?" Self yelled to Garrett as he crossed half-court.

Self's refrain was familiar but intended for De Sousa: "What are you doing?"

Self would see that again on the next possession. DiVincenzo faked a drive in transition with Mykhailiuk in good defensive position, but De Sousa went back to instincts, falling behind his teammate to protect the rim. Quick pass to Spellman. Late closeout by De Sousa. And after a pump-fake, Spellman had an open lane before De Sousa fouled him. Self looked to the bench, pulling his thumb toward his body.

Now, does it sound like the players were following the game plan or going back to what they had done before?

"If you help, somebody's going to be open," De Sousa said. "Today, as much as we tried, we just couldn't match up with them."

Does it sound like they were told to double team and leave their man unguarded which is what they did?

Does it not sound to you like Coach Self was frustrated?

If you read my other posts, I never said that KU was a better team; in fact, I wrote that from half way into the season, it was obvious that Villanova was the best team and should have been the overall #1 because I thought Virginia was overrated and very vulnerable and unlike @jaybate-1-0 l believe the Big East is not only a major conference but a very good one to boot.

I also wrote that Villanova was a bad matchup for KU since it did not have the personnel to matchup up with Villanova’s outside shooting or inside speed.

If the game plan was so flawed why is it that the lead keep not increasing? Villanova was shooting out of its mind at the start of the game and KU players were not doing what they were told, as it is very obvious in the Newell article copied verbatim above. In fact, after KU settled down Villanova’s shooting went down missing the last 5 3s of the first half and shooting below its season average in the second half. After the first 7 minutes of the game and even while Villanova was still shooting well, KU outscored Villanova for the last 33 minutes of the game; so much for a bad game plan...and yes, I do know the games is 40 minutes long but KU just dug itself too deep of a hole at the start of the game and could not catch up and Villanova deservedly won the entire game, but you do know that is not the point I was making.

Sometimes it is not the instructor or the range or the gun but the shooter’s fault that the target is not hit.

Last Five Seasons KU vs the "One-Trick Pony" • Apr 03, 2018 10:16 AM

Team occasionally catch what I call the “perfect storm” of recruiting when they get several unheralded players that end up planting well above their rankings and are capable of making a program extremely competitive for a few years by staying the full 4 years or even 5 by red shirting.

Villanova is currently going through that with an extremely competent group of players and they have at least one more year depending on who leaves, who stays and who they recruit. Wichita State had a similar period in the the last few years with players such as VanVleet, Early, Baker, Shammet and others that made the program extremely successful for a few years but looks like it might be coming to and end now.

@jaybate-1.0

Why do you insist in calling the Big a East a mid major conference? The Power 5 or major conference moniker is driven and applies primarily to football but when it comes to basketball, the Big East has been and still is a MAJOR basketball conference any way you look at it

Markese Jacobs • Apr 03, 2018 03:49 AM

@KUSTEVE

According to that story Vanderbilt and Indiana are the favorites to land Langford.

Langford • Apr 03, 2018 03:12 AM

@Kcmatt7

Vick is a player wit a high ceiling. If he comes back and gets his act together he would be as good or better than a freshman OAD and he would see lots of playing time.

Langford • Apr 03, 2018 03:02 AM

@RockkChalkk

You are correct. I guess I was thinking that Newman is likely not coming back. On the other hand, if he does come back he and Dedrick would be All American candidates.

Why We Didn't Win -- Look Beyond Made Threes • Apr 03, 2018 01:47 AM

@HighEliteMajor

As a matter of fact I do ask why but you are so close minded that cannot see anything tha does not agree with your opinion.

You say that KU had the wrong game plan but did you bother to read the Jesse Newell link I posted? Coach Self was frustrated because the players were not following the game plan and kept reverting to the old ways and leaving shooters open; that is not a bad plan, that is bad execution. If KU had such a bad plan, the lead would have continued to increase throughout the entire game and not just the first half of the first half.

Villanova won the first 7 minutes of the game 22-4 and after that ubber hot start, KU actually got it together and won the last 33 minutes of the game 75-73; in fact, Villanova missed its last 5 3-point shots of the half and shot only 36% from the 3 the second half.

Think about it, KU outscored Villanova the last 33 minutes of the game...

Doesn’t sound right, does it? So much for a bad game plan and the numbers do tell a story. If not for the first 7 minutes of the game when the execution was extremely poor, the result could have been quite different

Unfortunately, KU dug itself a big hole and even when it got its game plan going could not make up the deficit.

Why We Didn't Win -- Look Beyond Made Threes • Apr 02, 2018 05:17 AM

@jaybate-1.0

Frankly, Nova only shot a little above its season average for the game.

This game could have been a MUCH bigger blow out, if KU had had one of its 19% trey games, of if Nova had had one of its peak shooting games.

Villanova’s 3 point shooting percentage for the game is misleading. It was the 13 of 21 or insane 62% that it shot in the first 17 minutes of the game that allowed it to build a 17 point lead that basically won the game.

In the second half Nova shot 5 of 14 or 36% while KU shot 5 of 15 or 32% and the score for the second half was a measly 1 point difference or 48-47. Can you find another game where Nova shot 62% for most of one half and I don’t mean by taking a few but 21 shots? The first half of the game Nova shot way, way, way above its average and that decided the game. Had Nova shot its average during that time, say 9 of 21 or 42% that is a 12 point difference and this is a close game.

KU was very, very VERY fortunate to “only” be beaten 95-79.

I believe it is more correct to say that Nova was VERY fortunate to shoot that ridiculous % in the first half, which it obviously could not maintain in the second half, otherwise this is a different game.

Langford • Apr 02, 2018 04:23 AM

@truehawk93

Svi and DevontĂŠ are seniors so they are gone. This leaves 13 players for the 13 (not 15) scholarships allowed. For Langford to join either Newman or Vick need to leave or maybe Cunliffe either leave or red shirt.

BTW, Doke is an Academic All-Conference rather than All-American.

Thank you board rats for another great season • Apr 02, 2018 04:09 AM

KU advanced a lot further than even most posters in this board thought they would through most of the season. With the Preston saga and lack of depth the Sweet 16 was likely the ceiling for this team and yet they manage to win #14, the conference tournament and advance to the Final Four...how can we not be proud of this team? I certainly am and looking forward to next season.

Thanks @approxinfinity for providing the forum so we can follow our favorite team. RCJHGKU.

Why We Didn't Win -- Look Beyond Made Threes • Apr 02, 2018 03:55 AM

Some are under the impression that KU did not have a plan or had the wrong plan and will not even consider that maybe the players either did not follow the game plan or were just not a good match for Villanova’s personnel. This story illustrates Coach Self’s frustration ↗ by the lack of execution.

Why We Didn't Win -- Look Beyond Made Threes • Apr 01, 2018 05:41 PM

@HighEliteMajor

Yes, it is not that easy or that simple. You cite Villanova’s 45% shooting from the 3 as being just over their average for the season but that number is really missleading.

The game was won in the first half when Nova was shooting 13 of 21 or an unheard rate of 62%...that is right, 62% before missing the last 5 3-point attempts in the last 3 minutes of the half and still end up 13 of 26 or a still amazing 50% for the half and a 15 point lead and for all practical purposes the game was over. Keep in mind that it was not a 62% on a few lucky shots, it was 62% from 21 shots; I can’t recall a 17 minute first half stretch with those numbers for any team. The score for the second half, when a Nova shot a more down to earth 36% from 3 was a more realistic 48-47 or a 1 point advantage for Villanova.

Game Day Chat room • Apr 01, 2018 01:50 AM

Who has the KU broadcast?

Game Day Chat room • Apr 01, 2018 01:50 AM

Who has the KU broadcast?

Game Day Chat room • Apr 01, 2018 01:48 AM

When a team is in that kind of a zone there not much you can do, broke an Tournament record for 3 points made in the first half alone. 39 of their 47 points from 3. The question is...can they stay that hot? The half time breK might actually work against them...or not...

Game Day Chat room • Apr 01, 2018 01:28 AM

56% from 3...unreal....

Game Day Chat room • Apr 01, 2018 01:25 AM

Villanova 53% from 3...

Game Day Chat room • Apr 01, 2018 01:24 AM

Have yet to try a 3...

Game Day Chat room • Apr 01, 2018 01:19 AM

Here we go...

Game Day Chat room • Apr 01, 2018 01:08 AM

Nightmarish start...