The coaching staf has great connection with the pro scouts and NBA teams and they get the information and relay it to the player and advise him on whether to go or stay. Markieff has not really planned on leaving with Marcus but the staff told him he would be a lottery pick and off he went.
So, while an agent can contact teams and get specific offers, the coaching staff can get him pretty good information about the overall interest by pro teams.
I understand there might be a few more players reclassifying from 2019 to 2018. Any chance there is a potential diamond in the rough among them?
FWIW, the iPads are working fine and so are my Android phone and all the Windows computers.
Seemed like the better suited words...:smile:
In all fairness, Zenger negotiated contracts for TV and now radio are head scratchers and KU fans in the KC are are not happy. You will not find many Zenger fans in this area.
His on-the-court contribution is just one aspect, the gravitas he brings to the program vis-Ă -vis future recruits might be an even bigger contribution.
I am not saying that coaches never talk about it but to state that THIS is the question he has been asked the most by coaches sounds like a gross exaggeration; why would they ask Parrish in the first place? Listen to the interview and form your own opinion.
Didnât Alexander do something like that putting on the wrong hat and then switching it to the KU hat?
On the other hand, NBA coaches have to deal with millionaire, moody divas that make more money than they do and can get them fired.
Langford has to choose between joining a team where he would be the final piece towards a national championship or stay in Indiana and speed up the programâs rise to relevance which already took a big step by hiring Archie Miller, perhaps the best of the younger generation of coaches and one that will bring Indiana back to the top 20 in the next 3-5 years but an extremely long shot to being a title contender in the one year he will be there.
Unfortunately last year it replaced 610AM as the official KU station in the KC Metro area. Another bonner by Zenger, handing KU sports broadcasts to Kietzman, a KSU fan and KU hater.
LOL. Whatever happened to clear masks?
Interesting conundrum for Doke. At this time he is a one dimensional player and the dimension being one that the NBA is getting away from. He needs to stay and diversify his game, particularly improve rebounding and develop a midrange shot but to do this he needs playing time and likely would need assurances from the staff he will get playing time; I am not sure that assurance is a sure thing at this time.
Here is a link â to the podcast you might have to scroll down to the Garry Parish interview. I had forgotten the part about Larry Brown; I am on the record as saying that Larry Brown and his history of rule breaking is troublesome and that I would prefer he is not associated with KU. Just a few days ago on the Memphis thread I mentioned that the AD would have trouble hiring Larry Brown precisely for this reason. Wouldnât it be something if KU ends up being penalized, again, because something Larry Brown did...
I believe the show is called between the lines and goes from 2 to 6 in the afternoon and is led by Kietzman.
I am sure 810AM has a recording of the show on its website and perhaps you could find It and listen.
It was not the speculation that bothered me but the presumption that KU was guilty and that it would stretch the imagination if KU was not aware of it. Yes, we speculate here but we are anonymous posters and not journalist that are held to a different standard where facts guide or should guide the discourse and speculation should be presented as such.
Do you really believe that the main question coaches with whom he talks would be ...since Adidas is the primary target why is KU not inducted since it is its flagship program? Really? Coaches are a tight knitted group and they really do not criticize each other and why would they ask Parrish who know as much or as little as we do? Listening to the conversation sure sounded like made up BS spoken to give himself more importance.
As far as stating that the FBI seized Gattoâs computer and that all the incriminating evidence will be there is also BS. If and that is a big IF there were communication between Adidas and KU about anything not kosher it certainly would not have been via official communications but in person and waaaaaaay off the record.
The bit about Coach Self being close friends with Gatto when he said that Coach Self pretty much confirmed it when he talked to reporters after the banquet is again BS since Coach Self said nothing of a kind, all he said is that he is aware KU is the flagship Adidas programor words to that effect.I believe that at one time he indicated he knows Gatto because he is the lead person for Adidas marketing the brand to elite programs and I am sure he was involved in negotiating the deal with KU.
Here is Coach Selfâs quote:
âYou have an apparel company and we are obviously a big player with them,â he said. âThat's not saying anything positive or negative. Those are facts. Of all the schools that are out there affiliated with apparel companies, we would be one of Adidas' biggest schools. So, yeah, there's some unknowns there that obviously would be a concern to anybody that is involved in the sport right now. But I'm not to the point where I feel like there's been wrongdoing on behalf of anyone associated with us.â
Again, why donât you find the recording and listen for yourself and firm your own opinion. I am not saying that journalist cannot or should not speculate but when they do they should present it as such and not as facts. BTW, his click bait headline that the FBI and not a conference team would end KUâs title streak was highlighted at the beginning of the interview.
There seems to be this idea among the East Coast MSM members that it is impossible for a program like Kansas, in what they call flyover country, to do that well without cheating but they donât give a second though to programs like Duke and UNC or even a Kentucky.
Kcmatt7 said:
@Bwag Universities that lose money from their sports teams just shouldn't have sports teams. Problem solved.
Then college sports would cease to exist. No womanâs sports program, not even UConn with its string of national titles, makes a profit. Since Title 10 program requires equal participation then the menâs sports would need to shut down as well. The truth about college sports is that only menâs football and basketball, particularly football, make a profit, the rest just live off that income.
As far as endorsements, who exactly would be doing the endorsement? Realistically there are 30-40 athletes that will move to the NBA every year out of app. 6,000 players in Division I and maybe another 30 that will go overseas. The question is...should the NCAA change the entire college sports structure and provide a free marketing platform for that 1% of players who already derive well over $60K per year in benefits? More importantly, who would be the target audience for an 18 year old kid fresh out of HS endorser who most people can barely understand? Would you be swayed to buy a product just because athlete, say DevontĂŠ, endorses it? I believe the potential market for college athletes as endorsers is way overrated.
Gary Parish was on 810 AM in KC and the interview was interesting to say the least with a clear anti-KU bias. Some of the statements include...
In the last 6 months the question I hear the most from coaches I talk to is...Adidas is the target of the investigation, why is it that KU, the flagship program from Adidas, is not yet implicated?
==> I seriously doubt that any coach would ask such a question, even off the record.
Question: have you ever heard of any player that was paid money that the program was not aware of the payment?
Answer: I never heard of a program where a player was paid that the program did not know, it would stretch my imagination to think that the program did not know about the payments.
Everybody was wondering when KU was going to be mentioned in the investigation.
I know that Gatto is more than a business acquaintance and he isa close friend of Bill Self.
The FBI has Gattoâs computer with all the correspondence with KU and they will find out what went on.
Gatto is not a street thug and he does not have an honor code like snitches get stitches and he does not want to be away from his kids and grandkids so he will cooperate with the FBI and will name names.
The entire interview had a heavy undertone of presumed KU guilt. For being the new KU station the entire interview sure sounded like a hatchet job. Of course, with Kietzman in charge we should expect nothing less.
Exactly.
Like I said, if the kid was not involved and he ended up going to a school other than that negotiated by the guardian, then the Cam Newton defense kicks in.
It is possible the guardian conned both Under Armour and Adidas.
mayjay said:
@JayHawkFanToo Do you think the enforcers would have targeted the guardian only? Interesting twist. But bottom line, "I didn't know my guardian took a second batch of money from addidas to pay back the first from someone else so I could go to addidas school KU" is not very convincing against a presumption of ineligibility.
I could be wrong, of course, but I see a lot more wishful thinking going on here today than compelling arguments.
It really sounds like Silvio did not know of the Under Armour deal and when he decided to come to KU it threw a monkey wrench on the guardianâs plans. I believe the Cam Newton defense would apply in this case.
BTW, non enforcer would mess with the athlete, particularly since he apparently was not even part of the deal. The last thing they need is publicity.
mayjay said:
@BigBad Well, maybe they would have to stop letting the schools get paid for making kids wear (read: endorse) products they don't want to use. Are you okay that currently the school gets paid literally millions to endorse a product while the person whose name and image are publicicized with that product gets nothing he wouldn't get anyway?
Not quite. I donât believe anyone thinks that players wearing a certain brand of sports gear constitutes an endorsement; they wear it because that is the uniform the school provides to them. Even the schools donât really âendorseâ the product, they provide mostly exposure.
Now, student athletes know exactly what they will or will not get or be allowed to do or not do when they agree to play for a program and in return they get a full ride, luxurious accommodations, meals specially prepared for them by sports dietitians, the best coaches and trainers, state of the art facilities, a monthly stipend and national exposure. Seems like a pretty good deal to me and this is why every up and coming player aspires to play for a program like KU.
The option is to play in the G League or overseas for a low salary, sharing an apartment with a couple of other players, taking bus rides to the next game and playing before a couple of hundred fans. They can endorse anything they want from shoes to dog food. Nobody forces them to go to college, obviously they do it because they believe is the best deal for them.
mayjay said:
@JayHawkFanToo Your 4th item simplifies to "addidas money was used to allow him to go to KU", doesn't it? That still means it was an inducement.
Not quite. Apparently Silvio wanted to go to KU in the first place for no pay but his guardian had other plans. Silvio could have gone to KU anyway and his guardian would have been in trouble with the Under Armour âcollectors,â so Silvio personally had no say in the Under Armor decision and did not get paid by Adidas.
Moving forward, schools need to be extra careful with all these âguardians of African player since it appears they do it for the money and not necessarily from the goodness of their mercenary hearts.
A few salient points to consider.
First, KU is listed as a victim which at first sight would indicate lack of culpability or perhaps it is the FBIâs way if saying we will call KU a victim until we can prove someone in the programs was involved.
Second, the indictment mentions that KU has additional steps in place to insure accountability by parents and/or guardians which go beyond what the NCAA requires.
Third, KU chose not to play Preston even when he was at the time officially cleared by the NCAA which would indicate an abundance of caution.
Fourth, Silvio and/or guardian were not paid to come to KU. Apparently Under Armour paid his guardian to go to Maryland and the Adidas money was used to repay Under Armour so he could go to KU which is whe he wanted to go in the first place and for no pay.
All the above show lack of intent or knowledge by KU despite the steps in place to ensure compliance which bides well for KU, particularly if no one in the program is proven to be involved. Now, if someone connected to the program was involved or aware it changes everything.
In all fairness, 2 of Coach Kâs titles happened over a quarter of a century ago and some, particularly the last one, came gift wrapped courtesy of the refs and he has had a number of early big time upset loses in the tournament. In this century he has won only 4 regular ACC titles even when recently he has had better rosters than even Cal. You can say that all things consider and in spite of his titles, he has underachieved.
Archie Miller is the best of the next generation of coaches. In the next few years he will have Indiana among the top 10 programs.
I read the entire release and KU is mentioned as a victim and not as a perpetrator of any crime; in fact, KU is cited as having extra forms that parents/guardians must sign certifying the individual is in compliance with NCAA rules and regulations.
The Billy Preston deal should not affect KU at all since he did not play any official games. Silvioâs situation is a little more complicated since a guardian apparently took money to repay another shoe company that had already paid him to go somewhere (Under Armour, Maryland) but he wanted to go to KU, which would appear to indicate Silvio was not involved and did not benefit from it. Also, Silvio was cleared by the NCAA long after the FBI investigation had started, so KU appears to be on solid ground.
Having said that, I still think it is a huge overreach by the FBI to get involved to prosecute people that conspired to bypass rules of a private, non-government agency. Using the fact that the school receive federal funds seems pretty lame since the Athletic Department is funded mostly by private donations and not federal money. This seems to be a case better suited to Civil Court and maybe the IRS can get involved if the money was nor declared and taxes not paid, but the FBI acting as an enforcer of rules for a private, non-government agency seems like a waste of resources...just my opinion and I could be wrong.
Is the perfect storm at Villanova coming to an end?
Money. He would get paid considerably more at Duke than at Nova.
Wynyard was injured (back) and out for the year and got suspended on top of that. Kid seems to be a walking headache and not worth the aggravation.
Williams - -sure he is good player, but 22-23 from the filed? -He was one that they pointed out about classic cherry pick - -I mean who here in their right mind is going to say that in a real game that he is going to make 22-23 with 21 of those being jams passing the ball to himself off the back board - how many think he will get out of all his attempts in a real game he will get 21 dunks?
Bill Walton phoned, he said you should check his stats in the UCLA-Memphis title game. 21-22 officially and 25-26 unofficially as 4 were disallowed as being dunks which were not allowed at that time.
You are taking these games way too seriously. The All Star games including the NBA are meant to be rewards for a good season and a showcase and not necessarily a competitive game since they practice together for just a few short sessions.
You gotta respect Wiggins the way he handled his announcement.
I highly doubt a coach, any coach would sacrifice the rest of the team and a win just to have a playerâs mom watch him play; keep in mind that all players families were likely there. On the other hand, the perception that he did could play well with some of the lesser prospects but perhaps not as much with the top prospects families.
All the CB picks are from las year and pretty dated except 4 that are this month. Of the more recent 4 picks 3 are KU and 1 is Indiana.
I am not sure if the writers are just lazy and do not update their picks or believe their original pick are still correct. It could be a little plausible deniability in case the prospect picks someone else they can claim the selection was old and not updated. I wish CB would require them to re-select or confirm if the prediction is more than 3 months old.
Romeo Langford said:
Rock Chalk Jayhawk.
Nice.:thumbsup_tone2:
If he gets any type of official position with Memphis, he would not be able to visit with Coach Self, Calipari or Yankovich which I believe he enjoys and he would also bring a great deal of scrutiny and attention from the NCAA which the program would not like. I think the talk is just wishful thinking.
Penny is an unproven at the college level having coached only at middle school level and his hiring was based solely on his legacy status. I understand there is talk about hiring Larry Brown â to bring gravitas to the program but I will guess most ADs would balk at that given Brownâs history and more importantly, Brown who has medical issues and will be 78 years old, might not be up to the daily grind and probably enjoys more visiting the various programs whose coaches are friends.
Jontay is projected first round in all the mock drafts I have seen. He reclassified to play with his brother but now that he is off to the NBA no sense waiting since his stock would improve only marginally staying one additional year.
Kcmatt7 said:
- PG: Dotson - 32MPG : Moore - 8 MPG
- SG: Grimes - 28 MPG: Garrett - 14 MPG
- SF: Langford - 30 MPG: Garrett - 10 MPG
- PF: Dedric - 30 MPG : Lightfoot/KJ - 10 MPG
- C: Doke: 25 MPG : De Sousa - 15 MPG
I think it does look more and more likely Doke leaves... in which case, this is my thoughts:
- PG: Dotson - 32MPG : Moore - 8 MPG
- SG: Grimes - 28 MPG: Garrett - 14 MPG
- SF: Langford - 30 MPG: Garrett - 10 MPG
- PF: KJ - 22 MPG : Lightfoot - 10 MPG : De Sousa - 8 MPG
- C: Dedric: 30 MPG : De Sousa - 10 MPG
I really like the starting group with KJ and Dedric. I think that let's us stretch the floor and play fluently on offense, while still be really long on the defensive end.
I am not sure the NCAA will allow 202 minutes from all players, they draw the line at 200...except for overtime. :smile:
Take 2 minutes away from Garret and you are gold.
I really don't read much into it. Most teams in the second and third weekend of the tournament play only 6 or 7 players and Coach Self probably saw an unfavorable match up.
Coach Self has consistently spoken highly of Mitch and he is the player that gives all out effort every time, something Coach Self values highly. Mitch is not going anywhere.
Just because a player is not destined for the NBA it does not mean he cannot be a good or even outstanding in college. The NBA is moving towards smaller but more athletics players that can step away from the basket and hit the 3. There are still a few players left that fit Doke's category but the success of Golden State has teams moving to that style of play.
Now, college is not quite there yet. While the NBA has lots of big bodies that can match Doke in size and are a lot stronger, there is not that many players in college that can physically match with Doke so he can be a dominant and successful player. Doke would benefit from an extra year in college where he can develop a mid range game to complement the power inside and improve his basketball IQ so he can become a better rebounder; many players have had decent careers in the NBA by mostly rebounding.
If Vick leaves there is that open spot for Langford, scholarship-wise, and no need for anyone to red shirt unless needed for extra development.
Consensus POY and one the more consistent players ever to play at KU...I will take the Dogs.
Now, if Romeo breaks up with his GF, wouln't it backfire big time since he would want to be far away from her?...just sayin'
With the personnel at hand, there is no reason UT should not be one of the top 3 teams in the conference. I would think that another finish in the bottom half turns his seas from warm to very hot.
Isn't Cunliffe supposed to be a decent 3 point shooter? I understand his number at KU are probably skewed because his lack of playing time never allowed him to develop enough confidence.
...UT also has Smart who so far he has proven he is good at one thing, wasting talent.
We are not even close to where the final number will be. Last season over 700 players transferred and according to the NCAA. â..about 40% of all MBB players who enter Division I directly out of high school depart their initial school by the end of their sophomore year.
I would expect about 800 players to transfer this year.