dylans said:
Blue counties, yeah that’s how I determine where the educated upstanding people live. No decent people in the red counties, just a bunch of backwards hicks that cling to their guns and Jesus...
Lol....! You caught that too? It is interesting how often times those that claim to be the most tolerant and open minded are in reality not....
They left the Big12, so I don't really care if we play them or not. Tradition meant nothing to them, so ("not all of them wanted to leave the Big12, Marco!") why should we renew the series. They've been nothing special since the days of Norm - coach is right, we stand to gain nothing from it (Machiavelli).
wissox said:
Sports history is littered with sad tales of can't miss prospects. From HS record setting strikeout artists to QB's who tear up college football, to 30pts, 15RB,10ASSt. guys in HS, hyped guys come in and for whatever reason just don't work out for the rabid fan base that is expecting Johnny QB to lead them to glory. Q sure teased us with a spectacular debut against a final four team but quickly displayed his lack of desire and drive. He looked like he didn't care to me. Sometimes it's injuries, sometimes it's a lack of a good work ethic. Heck sometimes statisticians in some backwater HS get a little inventive with their stats. Q won't be the last to come through AFH unfortunately. I do wish him well.
E.g. Jaron Rush and Korleone Young.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Woodrow said:
I wish 247 updated there "targets" page so we had a idea of who they are actively recruiting.
As far as I know it’s only Thompson and Robinson in 2020. I think getting Gethro put the kabash on Mading.
If he signs those two, that would be a more than solid four man class.
jayballer73 said:
Coach Self made the statement that this recruiting class could be one of the best he has had for awhile.
There is wording here that makes me wonder other then Bryce. - -Could be that there is STILL another. - -I know there had been discussion , among fans can't remember if it was from here or another site, where fans posted that this might be a year of surprise - - - maybe a recruit we really hadn't heard hardly anything about , saying that brings me to this.
Yes I feel a lot of us are starting to feel better with Bryce , but I too have felt we very well could still have another. - -We all know there has been talk about Mitch Red-shirting for the Reasons of needing him worse NEXT year more then this - -up front will be thinner.
All of the above brings me to this possibly. - - -We just offered Frank Anselem a 6'10 from Prolific Prep California - -Frank is in the Class of 2021 but like Javonte has the option of re-classifying to 2020 and is expected to do so he says. - - -So Frank stated about KU : - -
KU is a great School with lots of History and tradition , They are one of the most successful Colleges in America in both Academics & Basketball - - The fans are lit - - - It's Great. - - I can play the Four or Five , KU runs a lot of Ball screens , so I think I'll fit perfectly. - - Makes me wonder is Frank a surprise? - -with our thinner front Court next year he might be talking about? - -ranked currently # 60 - -Other Schools interested in him -Oregon - - just offered - -- also Arizona - - Arizona State - - USC - -yet you go to 247 and it Shows LSU with 2 CB'S - - - -but anyways - what ya think? - - Maybe another commit? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think Coach has a few tricks still left up his sleeve.... It's going to be interesting.
BeddieKU23 said:
What a turn of events we might be witnessing with Bryce. Felt dead in the water for months here. Would say a lot to land a talent like him in the mess going on
No doubt about that. If we can land him to go along with our other two recruits I would call that (while also keeping this year's class in mind) a freaking grand slam!
FarmerJayhawk said:
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Bryce. 🔒🔒🔒🔒🔒
To who
Rock Chalk Jayhawk
Wow, if true, big news to say the least. Thompson is an absolute assassin.
@BShark Prediction - he will do better at Houston as far as points due to jacking up more shots, yet still just as bad.
@FarmerJayhawk 😃 Talk about coming full circle....
That's one I haven't heard yet, Mike White. Would he be your first choice @FarmerJayhawk?
Let's just get the raping over with.
@BeddieKU23 Good god, finally some good news.
@jayballer73 Ditto.
@BeddieKU23 I'm onboard with this juco signing, and say go ahead and sign another one if needed. Like I said a few months back (as long as they are good fits), with all of the NCAA crap surrounding the program they can add skill, experience, depth and class balance - all of which are good things.
@JAYHAWKFAN214 I think that he will, probably after this season - the new Spur's coach in waiting.
I'd take Beard over Bennett, but who's quibbling.
Been alot of chatter, so thought it was time. Would the UVa coach leave to come? What about Dan Hurley? What about Miller in Indiana?
Who?
Well,,, I can say this much, I've thought Berry to be one that we shouldn't lose for quite some time now.
"... I may not be a smart man, but I know what love is, Jenny..."
?s
...... Trouble brewing from the NCAA?
@wissox Lets do that!
your voice to free Feel
@FarmerJayhawk that's good!
So, predictions people! Out of all those in attendance (all represented classes) who do you think will whind up wearing a Jayhawk uniform?
HighEliteMajor said:
@benshawks08 Please note the distinction. “Inner city black culture.” It has nothing to do with my black neighbor.
Inner city black culture. You know what it is. I know what it is. We all know what it is. You can turn your back on it, cry racism. I don’t give one good d*** what you think about me.
I care about our country. The absolute violence and carnage brought on our country by the inner city black culture is astounding and unmatched. Don’t talk to me about the 1800s or 1930, or whatever. This is today.
Look at Late Night at AFH and the disgusting show put on in the name of our university. All in the name of ATTRACTING the black athlete. We should all be absolutely embarrassed. This is what is needed to gets kids to sign? Disgusting.
I watched suburban kids try to mimic the disgusting culture. Pants hanging halfway down their a** — an inner city black culture invention to glorify the gangster in jail that has no belt and can’t keep his pants up. Just beautiful.
More importantly than that, a culture of drive by shootings, random acts of carnage, roaming gangs — a culture where choosing to grab a gun and kill someone is ingrained. Daily. Not here and there. DAILY.
Among blacks, 73% of births are out of wedlock. In the inner city, much higher. That has steadily increased since the 60s. To me, this is the most important cause of the inner city destruction we see now.
Worse, black dads with multiple children, with multiple women. It’s an epidemic in the inner city black communities. Heck, look at our BB teams. Who’s got a dad? Whose dad is in jail. Whose mom has the same last name as her son? How many half brothers and half sisters?
This is the plague of the inner city black culture — the answer to the “why.”
And racism is the problem. What a joke.
So don’t give me this racism crap. I don’t care what you call it. I call it reality.
When I see a buddy of mine, a black surgeon, actively trying to keep his kids AWAY from the inner city black culture, that is a huge answer for me. When I hear him discuss it, it cements it.
It’s really sick. We see a “mass” shooting, 10 dead, 20 injured. Horrific. But then we IGNORE the carnage of a single night in Chicago, or a weekend in STL, or you name the Inner city (the deep blue voting areas by no coincidence).
Why? Because the ANSWER makes you uncomfortable. You and others like you operate on feelings. Not facts. You want to normalize abhorrent behavior. You’ll blame everything except the personal behavior.
You are the dangerous enabler. Well intentioned. But when there are so many folks that provide excuses, refuse to demand personal responsibility, we have what we see in the inner cities. It’s easier to give things away than make demands.
Are you proud?
You have offered your opinion, and a well worded thought out one I might add. You have the right to your opinion, and I see nothing wrong with it. Again, ignoring problems is one of this nation's true weaknesses.
Now I will offer one, the inner city should not be glorified because they are what they are - places that people do not want to live in (even those who live there.
HighEliteMajor said:
benshawks08 said:
@HighEliteMajor @bskeet It's racism. That's the point you both are bouncing around but never actually touching. White people hate talking about racism because they can't win anymore. One of you (@bskeet ) understands at least innately if not explicitly that a big factor in this argument is the race a significant population of the players compared to the race of the significant population of the people in power. And so in your arguments you bring up former instances of racism like slavery.
The other (@HighEliteMajor ) definitely understands the racial element but seeks to remove it completely from the conversation because it's "social justice garbage" and if he pretends race isn't really a factor he can live in his land of logic where humanity is just weak feelings crap.
Anytime someone suggests an idea that might redistribute power from top down, those in power (or at least those that look like those in power) do what they can to maintain that power.Of course college basketball and slavery aren't the same thing. Of course there is more choice for a college athlete today than for a slave in the 1800s or for current slaves today in the american penal system. However the RACISM driving the issue and argument is very much the same. It is impossible to discuss the conflict between a workforce made up primarily of people of color and executives who are primarily white without discussing race. I know it's scary for us whites but we'd be better off it we'd just call it like it is and talk about the stuff we are afraid of.
Some people aren't going to like this comment because it brings "politics" into a sports conversation but sorry, race is one of the biggest issues in sports right now. White sports fans look at black athletes making millions of dollars or getting "free rides" and think those folks should feel lucky, but ignore the white owners and execs making 100s of millions of dollars and maintaining systems that uphold that economic inequity. I'm sure HEM will argue that the owners "earned" those millions by working harder and being smarter. They didn't. They aren't.
Bam. You have said exactly what I've suggested. In my mind, it's all about the poor inner city black kid. That is the core of what has driven this issue.
And I'm sorry, I'm not going to permit my life, my thoughts, my actions, and my concerns to be predicated upon a culture that refuses to help themselves -- more appropriately, a self-destructive culture.
Rahm Emanuel, an Obama democrat, the former mayor of Chicago that saw this inner city "culture" firsthand, said:
“This may not be politically correct,” he said, “but I know the power of what faith and family can do. … Our kids need that structure. … I am asking … that we also don’t shy away from a full discussion about the importance of family and faith helping to develop and nurture character, self-respect, a value system and a moral compass that allows kids to know good from bad and right from wrong.”
He added: “If we’re going to solve this … we’ve got to have a real discussion. … Parts of the conversation cannot be off-limits because it’s not politically comfortable. … We are going to discuss issues that have been taboo in years past because they are part of the solution. … We also have a responsibility to help nurture character. It plays a role. Our kids need that moral structure in their lives. And we cannot be scared to have this conversation.”
Of course, there was anger in response, marching, verbal attacks, etc. Zero ... I mean zero ... mention of personal responsibility from the "other side" of this issue.
I would say that our country would be much better off if we can take what @benshawks08 said, and what Rahm Emanuel said, and honestly address what ails our inner city.
A big hint -- the discussion has nothing to do with blaming inanimate objects.
As I've said over and over, CHOICE.
Look at my bi-line. "What in America is anyone prohibited from doing, earning, or achieving?" This is what America offers in 2019. Undeniable.
As a conservative, I've had it. I've had with the glorification of a bankrupt culture (inner city black culture) and with the continued garbage we deal with day in, and day out. To the core of my beliefs, people that hurt people, commit carnage, destroy lives, and have no morality are enemy. They are the enemy of a civil society. I don't care what they look like. Yet we want to explain away, continually, the repulsive and destructive behavior. It's disgusting.
I am not afraid to discuss anything, even - oh no! - race (though I think that it should be reserved for political boards, which I do not participate in). The constant but this and but that habbit that this nation so loves while trying to paint over issues is getting old and pathetic. "Yeah,,, but there is a reason for that!"
"True," I say, "there may be, but the thing that we are talking about is still there, regardless."
@jayballer73 I think Grady who is 6'5 as a sophomore and still growing has the potential to be a very big small forward.
rockchalkwyo said:
Most of the comments are good. Self wearing that shirt is a nice middle finger
Coach Self has become the dark knight...?
@FarmerJayhawk Is he going to leave us dazed and confused?
BeddieKU23 said:
I cant wait for the season to start. Anyone else excited??
Bigtime ready! Unfortunately, with the NCAA dragging its damn feet we're going to hear alot of "and ofcourse we've all heard about the program being investigated by the NCAA" and yada, yada, yada "but they certainly have a great team this year." I'll just press pause and fast-forward......
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
@dylans ISU poking around too. From what I can tell he can hoop, but he can't shoot. Perfect for Bill.
lol, who can't shoot ? - -the video I was watching looked lie he was doing a pretty decent job to me - -and I'm referring to his J - -not layups or flushes = = =He by far is No Marcus G. - - this kid got some range , and at times looked like even deep range -and they were looking pretty smooth/pure - -not like a prayer where you fire up as missile and it clangs around off the rim 5-6 tomes bounces up 3 ft and falls back through - - I didn't see any prayers in his shot- I think he would be a nice addition if we could land him. - - ROCK CHALK ALLD AY LONG BABY
I'm not adverse to jucos if they fill a role.
And we're all waiting with baited breath, and in the end - and they need to wrap it up already! - we will (Coach Marco says) receive what amounts to being denied toilet paper after taking a dump, but allowing us to quickly jump in the shower.
nuleafjhawk said:
@JAYHAWKFAN214 Like I said - first time in my life - but if you were a top flight college coach and had to be subjected to these BS (does not stand for Bill Self right here....) rules - WHY do it?
He could make just as much or more money, not have to deal with the commies and mommies.
No, there he would just have to deal with malcontents and divas.
What Would Coach Marco say? That we're not going to receive much of anything. Lack of institutional control is what Roy got slapped with at UNC if I'm not mistaken, and they basically got nothing out of it.
We are not getting much of anyone by way of recruits thus far, so the damage has already been done. I say just get it done and over with.
The NCAA is acting the part of the Robert Downey, jr. Character in Tropic Thunder.
"I know who I am!!! I'm the dude playing a dude, disguised as another dude!!"
HighEliteMajor said:
I'm trying to be respectful here. But you don't understand what qualifies as proof. You seem to think there has to be a video, or a document that "convicts."
So the perspective is considered, folks go to jail based on eyewitness testimony. The go to jail based on circumstantial evidence. You need to get past the opinion that there is no evidence.
For example -
TJ Gassnola testified under oath in a federal trial that he provided money to Preston and SDS. Testimony under oath is "proof." Maybe not what you feel sufficient, but certainly sufficient in a court of law (and the low end stuff like NCAA enforcement). His level of credibility is extremely high because 1) Federal prosecutors put him on the stand in a high profile case, and 2) they would have vetted his claims related to his plea deal. Not to mention that his testimony helped lead to convictions, and his own actions led to a plea. KU presumably says they had no knowledge of it. So KU can't deny it. KU undeniably sought Adidas' help and intervention with recruits. The texting demonstrates that on its on, but that part isn't denied anyway. Thus those actors, whom KU solicited for help, broke NCAA rules assisting KU in recruiting.
You also seem to think that because others are corrupt, KU can't be punished. Don't you think others have tutors that do the work for players like MU did? Or that booster give money to recruits like happened with BYU? They got punished, right?
The NCAA, like law enforcement, can only act on the info they have. Meaning, sure, others may be smuggling drugs but they don't defer punishing those they catch because others are doing the same thing and not getting caught.
If you refuse to acknowledge or understand the above, I can't help you.
As we sit here, we don't know what the NCAA will do. I hope you're right on the punishment. I fear a bad result. But I hope other factors weigh here and the NCAA wimps out (selfishly). I've felt from the start that if we get hammered, we should "burn it down." That is, give the NCAA all the info we know on other schools, etc. Who knows, that might be going on behind closed doors. I would certainly, if I were KU, consider that negotiating strategy in advance to get a slap on the wrist.
I hear your every point, and - whatever the case may be the MCAA needs to weap
You are preaching to the choir, my man. I haven't been to confession in years, and really don't want to go.
...... We are good, folks, will receive what amounts to me smacking my girlfriend's ass. I don't see us receiving much of anything other than a few vacated wins and maybe a reduction in scholarships for a couple of years, if that. Roy was accused of as much at UNC and they received absolutely nothing. I for one am just ready for this damn investigation to wrap up.
He felt the heat after we signed Harris, who can flat out ball. I wish him well.
Call me lazy, but "lack of institutional control" is that not what Roy Williams was charged with some years ago at UNC? And they received squat.
HighEliteMajor said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Posted this in another thread but bears repeating. Harris is better
Reminds me of the dude from Chicago, Milton Doyle. Got here and received a rude awakening. Doyle’s brother got on kusports.com and threatened to pop a cap in me or something like that after some back and forth. They have strict gun control laws in Chicago so I was not worried.
"I know who I am!! I'm the dude playing a dude, disguised as another dude!"
Tre White, Lee Dort, Mark Mitchell, and Grady Dick (2022), I could live with that.
HighEliteMajor said:
So, by this logic, because others steal from the local 7-11, we can't prosecute the one that gets caught because everyone else is doing it.
And no, it's not coming down hard on one Shoeco. All it would be is imposing sanctions on a university that got caught with a recruiting partner that paid players. There is zero need to come down "hard" on a ShoeCo. The DOJ already did that.
The NCAA can punish KU. Easily. Whether they do or not is another question.
But it's good to know that we have "Supreme Court case" we can fall back on ...
Fine @HighEliteMajor,,,, but where is the proof? Innuendo and heresay come cheap, very cheap. The only way for there to not be corruption is if and when the NCAA goes into the apparel making business and starts sponsoring AAU, and it might as well since it is already cashing in in every other way.
justanotherfan said:
The NCAA only has jurisdiction over schools, not the ShoeCos. Every school needs ShoeCo money. If the NCAA comes down hard on one ShoeCo, they will probably get sued unless they come down on all of the ShoeCos. If they crack down on every ShoeCo, the ShoeCos may stop spending money on these college contracts. Those contracts make athletic departments solvent, so that's a non starter.
The only remaining option is to do nothing.
Yahtzee! And that is the non-smoking gun, since the whistle blowers have never really even blown the whistle at all. And if they did, what would they say? "We gave them money, and KU knew (.... or had to know) about it." I smell, if the NCAA tries to 🔨 us, a Supreme Court case which will strip the hooker that is the NCAA of all her remaining dignity. I (Darwinism here, people) think that NCAA had better, for its own survival, quietly let this matter go.
@HighEliteMajor the NCAA is all but impotent in this case. Which is why they have taken no action. They can't take down only Adidas schools while at the same time knowing Nike to be the biggest culprit. They do not have a shred of proof.
Does anyone still think that six wins is undoable? Who was it that said they would buy ice cold beer? I'm starting to feel very thirsty.
HighEliteMajor said:
@BeddieKU23 Heck, I still dream of making it to the NBA. But the Devil didn't want what I was selling.
"Snakeroot potion! Come and get it! Get your snakeroot potion!"
"Why would I need snakeroot potion down here?"
"So that you can maybe worm your way back up, kind fellow!"
FarmerJayhawk said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk dang! I'm having a hard time letting this go.🤣 but I'm going to.
Let go of your weenus. Might lose feeling in your elbow.
Me and my girlfriend just take turns holding my weenus, that way there is always atleast one hand free to type. And my weenus just said - and as far as weenuses go it is always right - that we are going to receive what amounts to diddly-squat from the NCAA, if anything.
jhawk7782 said:
@Marco You wouldn't think so unless the NCAA has superseded Congress and its law making role.
In reality, there are several federal laws that have broad jurisdiction/blanket laws that can be used for investgations.
You got it, and a legal arguement could be made and won by KU if the NCAA oversteps in this case - which is why I think they are dragging their feet. "Come on guys, think! There's got to be something we can get them on!"