Morningstar and Reed sitting with the Twins tonight.
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Doke has 0 rebounds so far.
@BShark said in WeatherWAXED Game Thread:
ISU trailing while being 5-7 from three is amazing.
And 2-7 inside the arc.
Damn Doke!!!
@BShark said in WeatherWAXED Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in WeatherWAXED Game Thread:
ISU will have a few short runs, KU will shut them down.
You would think so. This is a team we should blow out which is rare this season.
KU has had quite a few blow outs in B12 play this year.
ISU will have a few short runs, KU will shut them down eventually.
@wissox said in WeatherWAXED Game Thread:
Ouch, Justin Turner blasting Manfred in MLB news at bottom of screen!
Dodgers forget that they lost that World Series on their own home field. Also guaranteed quite a few teams have their own system in place that hasn't been exposed yet. It's human nature to try and gain every advantage possible. Astros just got ratted out by a player pissed he wasn't kept around longer.
@COHawk said in That Baylor game on Saturday:
You don't think that Iowa St. won't have some momentum after blowing out Texas? I know this team is showing tremendous progress in so many areas, and I too have confidence we'll win. However, too often we have seen huge favorites not prepared mentally.
ISU hasn't won a true road game this year and only has 1 win away from Hilton (in Battle 4 Atlantis) this season. ISU may keep it close for awhile, but KU will win comfortably even with their D game tonight which is what I'm expecting tonight.
@wissox said in Sooner or Later OU was sent packing:
@drgnslayr That's a good description of my years living in Baton Rouge. Even a year with Ben Simmons playing, I'd walk up to the PMAC 10 minutes before game time and buy my ticket and go down to empty seats right near the court, even on the floor sometimes. It was packed when Buddy Hield came to town and I was there and actually had to pony up a little to get that upper row seat. It was fun, it's a really loud arena when the place is packed. But it's rare.
@Mayjay, you're right, I did focus on the very real slight, not imagined that I heard. Interestingly Stacy King is the Bulls TV guy so I hear him when I can stomach watching them. He's pretty good I've always thought.
Simmons was a good player, but that was still a bad team that couldn't make the tournament, so not really surprising that LSU didn't sell well that year.
@COHawk said in That Baylor game on Saturday:
I hope the players/coaches are more focused on the game tonight than what fans and media seem to be.
We (the fans) don't have to be focused on tonight's game because we aren't playing. Realistically though, KU could bring their D game tonight and still win comfortably since ISU doesn't have Haliburton anymore.
@BeddieKU23 The game tips at 11am unless ESPN pushed the start time back an hour.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Here we go again - Self rumor mill:
Beilein getting canned = less risk that Self gets a NBA job 🐦 View Tweet?s=21
Doubtful this would have any effect on Self choosing the NBA if he wanted to go that route. Beilein called his team a bunch of thugs about a month ago, then tried to backtrack and say he meant slugs and consequently lost the locker room.
KU women with a shocking 15 point upset over Texas tonight in AFH.
Devonte with early nerves and ended up with only 18 points in the first round of the 3 point contest. Buddy Hield won the contest on his final shot over Devin Booker.
@BShark said in Other Games:
Missouri is...obliterating Auburn???! What an odd season.
12 point Missouri win and Auburn never made it competitive.
Has KU ever beaten a #1 ranked team on the road before?
Louisville made the game close with Clemson before Clemson just went on a run to stretch that lead out to 19 with about 7 minutes left. Looks like UL just played their way out of contention for a 1 seed this week with a probable 0-2 mark this week.
Baylor pouring it on WVU in the 2nd half .
Louisville down 31-14 to Clemson at halftime.
Marcus Garrett is winning B12 POTW.
@approxinfinity said in THROWBACKS:
@FarmerJayhawk werent those Nike uniforms? How does that work?
KU didn't switch to the trajan font uniforms until 2007-08 so there are Adidas uniforms with the Circus font on them as well.
B12 only projected to get 5 teams in tournament right now. Baylor, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and West Virginia
Back to back road games holding opponents under 50. That's an elite defense and did I hear Fran actually say KU was the best defense in the country as well tonight?
@dylans said in Marcus Morris:
Conference accolades seem insignificant when talking about all time KU greats. Roy watered it down enough. I don’t like what Bill is doing here. Have a ring of honor or some thing along those lines to honor the Marcus Morris, Kenny Gregory, Tyshawn Taylor types seems more appropriate.
KU has had more 1st team All-Americans than conference POY's. Only 12 different Kansas players have been named Big 8/12 POY on 16 different occasions (Robisch, Manning, and LaFrentz won multiple times). Considering KU's history, that's a big achievement to be on of those 12 men. 8 of those 12 are currently in the rafters. The other 3 besides Marcus will be up there one day (Robinson, Mason, and Graham).
A conference POY and consensus 2nd team All-American, a 2x 3rd team All-American, or a second team All-American. Two of these players have jerseys hanging in AFH already. Who has the strongest case and who has the weakest case?
@DanR said in Marcus Morris:
To clarify, I don't think Kirk is an outlier in the rafter jersey race. I also don't think Marcus is remotely in the same league as any of the ones hanging currently.
If Self wants to water it down, whatever.
Difference being that Marcus Morris has accolades other players do not have that are up there such as conference player of the year which several players never achieved that are up there. I think you're letting personal bias against Morris get in the way here. If you're bringing should've won a national title into the argument, KU was the best team in the country in both 2010 and 2011 and should've won each of those titles. This isn't a knock on Hinrich, but can anyone realistically argue that he was ever KU's best player while he was here?
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Marcus Morris:
@DanR said in Marcus Morris:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Marcus was a big nothing historically. I'd take Kirk's jersey based on 4 years + what should have been a national championship. Made his one free throw. Nick Collison 3-10 when it counted.
Ya. Two Final Fours and a National Championship game. 4-year player, 3rd-team All American.
Marcus was Sweet Sixteen, Round of 32, and Elite Eight. 2nd-team All American and B12 POY.
I'd take Kirk's as well, but I admit that I'm biased.
It's not about team success though when it comes to having a jersey hung. It's about individual success and accolades because quite frankly, Aaron Miles has a better resume than Kirk Hinrich does and Miles isn't up there and we don't hear his name mentioned much about it and he is still KU's all time assists leader.
There have been 30 players so far to have their jersey's retired by KU. The current known criteria is National POY, Final Four MOP, 4x All-American, Consensus 1st team All-American, 2x 1st team All-American, and Academic All-American of the Year. Also a direct quote from Bill Self on the issue, "There is really not a criteria other than the greatest players that play here deserve to be considered for that."
It should also be noted that prior to 1929, there is only the Helms Foundation All-American team and also that Wooden Award Finalists are also considered 1st team All-Americans by the Wooden Award foundation which is how Brandon Rush meets the criteria.
Drew Gooden (1999-2002): NPOY (2002) and Consensus 1st team All-American (2002)
Nick Collison (1999-2003): NPOY (2003) and Consensus 1st team All-American (2003)
Sherron Collins (2006-2010): Consensus 1st team All-American (2010)
Fred Pralle (1935-1938): Consensus All-American (1938) and 2x All-American (1937, 38)
Howard Engleman (1938-1941): Consensus 1st team All-American (1941)
Tusten Ackerman (1922-1925): 2x All-American (1924, 1925)
Charlie T. Black (1921-1924): NPOY (1924) and 2x All-American (1923, 1924)
Charles B. Black (1941-1943; 1945-1947): 2x Consensus 1st team All-American (1943, 1946)
Kirk Hinrich (1999-2003)
Jacque Vaughn (1993-1997): Academic All-American of the Year (1997)
Paul Endacott (1920-1923): NPOY (1923) and 2x All-American (1922, 1923)
Wilt Chamberlain (1955-1958): Final Four MOP (1957) and 2x Consensus 1st team All-American (1957, 1958)
Walt Wesley (1963-1966)
Darnell Valentine (1977-1981)
Ray Evans (1942-1944; 1945-1948): 2x 1st Team All-American (1942, 1943), also only player to have jersey retired in both basketball and football at KU
JoJo White (1965-1969)
Bud Stallworth (1969-1972)
Mario Chalmers (2005-2008): Final Four MOP (2008)
Clyde Lovellette (1949-1952): Final Four MOP (1952), 2x Consensus 1st Team All-American (1951, 1952)
B.H. Born (1951-1954): Final Four MOP (1953)
Wayne Simien (2001-2005): Consensus 1st team All-American (2005)
Danny Manning (1984-1988): Final Four MOP (1988), NPOY (1988), 2x Consensus 1st team All-American (1987, 1988)
Brandon Rush (2005-2008): 2x 1st team All-American (2007, 2008)
Gale Gorden (1924-1927): 1st team All-American (1926)
Bill Bridges (1958-1961)
Paul Pierce (1995-1998): Consensus 1st team All-American (1998)
Al Peterson (1924-1927): Consensus All-American (1926)
Dave Robisch (1968-1971)
Raef LaFrentz (1994-1998): 2x Consensus 1st team All-American (1997, 1998)
Cole Aldrich (2007-2010) Academic All-American of the Year (2010)
Out of the 30 players to have their jersey's retired, 23 meet one of the stated benchmark criteria. That leaves 7 who are in the rafters because Self and others deemed them among the greatest to ever play at KU. Marcus Morris was the B12 POY and consensus 2nd team All-American in 2011. Based solely on measurable merits such as All-American honors and Big 8/12 POY awards, Marcus arguably has a stronger case than Kirk Hinrich, Walt Wesley, Darnell Valentine, and Bill Bridges. None of those players were B8/12 POY (although the B8 didn't give out a POY from 1960-1967 which hurt Bill Bridges and Walt Wesley who probably would've won that award in 1961 and 1966 respectively).
Marcus will have one of the weaker resumes of the players in the rafters, but I would probably say that either Kirk Hinrich or Darnell Valentine have the weakest resumes of all the players that have received the honor.
@BShark said in Marcus Morris:
@nuleafjhawk Selby has no shot, I would say Josh close to no shot. Wiggins I could see legitimately happening for recruiting purposes.
Jackson would get up there before Wiggins does. Jackson was better in every area than Wiggins at KU.
The thing with the Crossroads Series is that all 4 programs are consistently top caliber programs and located within the same state and are all rivals. This KU/KSU/MU/WSU thing wouldn'ake much sense because MU isn't rivals with KSU or WSU. If Kansas had a 4th D1 program, you could do something like that at Intrust every year, but it doesn't make sense because not everyone is a rival.
The KU/WSU match up isn't a rivalry match up because most KU don't care about WSU. The hatred only flows one way that discussion. There wouldn't be much extra juice in AFH when WSU came in when was the last time KU played a non power conference school in a true road game that wasn't played for recruiting purposes? Was it Nevada about 15 years ago? I know we've played Temple in Philadelphia a couple of times, but those games were made for recruiting purposes.
KU/MU makes so much more sense because it is a true rivalry in that both sides hate each other. Sprint Center will be sold out both games, AFH will be at it's best the two time MU comes to Lawrence, and MU will have a packed house full of energy the two times KU makes the trip over there.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Marcus Morris:
@Kcmatt7 said in Marcus Morris:
@BShark said in Marcus Morris:
@Kcmatt7 Banned
Sweet 16, Round of 32, Elite 8.
He was on the Northern Iowa AND the VCU squads that got beat.
What did he do to deserve to be up there? He wasn't even a 1st team All-American. He is going to be hung in the rafters as an All-Time great at KU, a top 4 most prestigious basketball program in history, and he wasn't even one of the top 5 players in the country during his best season lol.
I'm sorry, but nope.
Throw in the character issues and absolutely not.
I'm absolutely with you on this one. The rafters should be reserved for the elite of the elite. IDGAF what he did in the pros or anything like that. No Final Fours, never made First Team AA. Don't water down the rafters.
Technically, Marcus did make a 1st team All American list in 2011 by being a finalist for the Wooden award. The Wooden Award finalists are considered 1st team All Americans, but that's the only official list that he's considered 1st team.
The original criteria for jersey retirement was Final Four MOP, National POY, or 4x All American. Later on, criteria expanded to include Consensus 1st team All American, 2x 1st team All American, and Academic All American of the Year.
Right now, there are 3 players who meet that criteria. Frank Mason meets the original criteria because of his National POY in 2017. Thomas Robinson and Devonte Graham are eligible under the expanded criteria because each were Consensus 1st team All Americans.
Only reason I can think of that would make Marcus Morris eligible is if they expanded it include conference POY which Marcus did win in 2011. This could be a signal that Conference POY has added to the eligibility criteria. If that's the case, Marcus is the only player this new addition would include.
@kjayhawks said in RIP Jalen Wilson:
@Texas-Hawk-10 as @Woodrow said he was shooting at practice from what I seen on the guys Snapchat’s.
Still doesn't change the fact that Lightfoot had a brace on his right wrist and didn't participate in pregame other than shagging rebounds. Like I said during the game chat, I don't know what the injury is or when it happened and since Mitch isn't playing this year, it's not likely to be addressed by Self in a media session either.
It's possible it's nothing serious, or it's possible he hurt it between when that shoot around video was recorded and game day.
@kjayhawks I don't think Mitch is doing much of anything on court right now. He had a brace on his right wrist yesterday and wasn't going through any of the pregame drills or shoot around. All he was doing was rebounding for guys. Jankovich also had a boot on his right foot and didn't dress out yesterday either. KU doesn't have much of a scout team right now.
@kjayhawks Those schedules still aren't Charmin soft. I'm not trying to call Gonzaga or SDSU's non conference schedule world beating, but if you compare who they played to what Brandon Schneider dies with the KU women's schedule, that's a Charmin soft schedule every year. Comparatively, neither Gonzaga not SDSU played anything that soft.
@mayjay said in Other Games:
@BeddieKU23 said in Other Games:
Dukes refs finally got their check
No, this was on UNC. Just mistake after mistake. Hero drives for TOs with 3 guys open, failing to inbound the ball, poor passing, poor rebounding, and abysmal defense.
Free throws. Make free throws and it's a double digit win for UNC.
@kjayhawks said in NCAA Tournament Top 16:
Dook gets a cake wake shocking....not. It will be interesting if the 2 west coast teams stay there. I don’t think they are that spectacular and play a schedule sponsored by Charmin ultra soft.
Gonzaga has a couple of good non conference wins over at large caliber teams (Oregon and Arizona) and the WCC is probably going to be a 3 bid league this year.
The MW is definitely garbage outside of SDSU and is a one bid league unless SDSU gets upset in their conference tournament. They do have a couple of nice non conference wins over Iowa and Creighton who should each solidly be in the NCAA tournament this year.
Neither are great schedules, but not quite Charmin soft either though IMO.
UNC lost because of FT shooting. This game never should have gone to OT. Heels were 17/32 from the line in regulation.
FT's are gonna cost UNC this game. They were 17/32 in regulation.
@BShark said in EMPEROR OF BASKETBALL JAY WRIGHT:
This is as bad as I've seen Nova and we still lost to them. Sad.
That was the road game before Christmas break, KU historically sucks in that game under Self.
FT's may end up costing UNC. 14/28 so far, should be up double digits for UNC if they could hit FT's.
What's up with Duke and UNC's uniforms today? I just got home from Ft. Worth and turned the game on and it looks like they're wearing practice jerseys. Did anyone see/hear the explanation for those unis tonight?
The chant has begun!!
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Light Work Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Light Work Game Thread:
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Light Work Game Thread:
Doke needs to pump fake before he goes up to make that harder to time. When he just goes up like that in rhythm it's very easy to time.
Pump fake also means the guy is probably going to foul hard enough to where Doke doesn't get a shot up. I think no pump fake is better as bad as Doke is at FT's.
I doubt anyone on TCU is strong enough to prevent Doke from getting a shot up. If he pump fakes he probably gets a foul and has a chance for an and-1. Worst-case scenario he gets 2 shots at the line. If he just goes up in rhythm the worst case is we get nothing and TCU is running the other way with the ball. I'll take the foul.
A pump fake means the defender is landing on Doke's shoulders which means he's not getting a shot up with much shot of going in. The blocks are less frequent than Doke going 0-2 from the line and he's getting the and one more frequently than with the pump fake as well.
In the long run, Doke is going to score more points without pump faking than by pump faking. If Doke was a 60% FT, I would be in favor, but he's still not good enough at the line to make me want to see him get there without getting a good look up as well.
Shouldn't be long before the Rock Chalk chant fires up in here.
The arena is starting to empty out now
Moss!
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Light Work Game Thread:
Doke needs to pump fake before he goes up to make that harder to time. When he just goes up like that in rhythm it's very easy to time.
Pump fake also means the guy is probably going to foul hard enough to where Doke doesn't get a shot up. I think no pump fake is better as bad as Doke is at FT's.
This team reminds me so much of the 2012 runner up team. Mediocre offense, but elite level defense.