@COHawk said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:
@BeddieKU23 KJ is a good rebounder.
KJ's still not a good rebounder overall. It's less of an issue this for him though because KU has Dickinson this season. He has a 10% defensive rebounding rate which is extremely below average for a 4. That number is improved so he's getting better, he's still bad at getting rebounds for a player his size.
@kuballin10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:
@rockchalkjayhawk Self didn’t even think to let Elmarko spell Juan and have him run some point early on in the season. Not properly assessing the roster is on him.
Kevin is essentially the backup pg and KJ can bring it up much like draymond so we have options.
Elmarko is so explosive and the only guard that can get to the paint without a ball screen yet he never thought to maybe let him run some at the 1 even after seeing him play while recruiting him.
The ball and chain that is Juan to Self. Juan’s legacy as the point is this year and next when there are no Remy bailouts. Juan’s getting worse and more lackadaisical with the ball and still doesn’t look to score like he should. The offense with two all Americans is thus a top 40-50 offense due to just that. He’s a ball mover I.e he doesn’t attack the paint and can’t break his own man down one on one.
You’ve been warned and many are seeing it for the actual scenario versus the red and blue glasses
Do you ever make a basketball post that isn't negative about Dejuan? We all know your opinion about Dejuan and you say basically the same thing in every post about Dejuan
This is why people don't like interacting with you here. You don't add anything new or constructive to conversations, it's almost always something negative about Dejuan. We all know his shortcomings as a player and choose not to harp on them in nearly every post like you.
How about instead of blaming Self for trying to make Elmarko work a position and role that he's not used to playing, we look at why Self decided that Arterio Morris ended up being his choice for a 2 instead of some of the other options that were reportedly interested in coming here that didn't have the legal baggage Morris had. That's where the real failure of this roster lies, not with Dejuan Harris being the same player he's been his entire career here.
@approxinfinity said in Other bball games:
@Texas-Hawk-10 so so so early! Lol. But i dig it.
The Big 12 has 9 in the top 37 now after yesterday which is historically safe for getting an at large bid. Texas dropped to 59 from 44 which both are historically outside at large territory. We're getting to the point now though where we're going to be seeing less dramatic movement after wins and losses unless especially unless it's an especially bad loss like UT's yesterday. Based on that, it appears like the B12 is in line to get 9 teams into the NCAA Tournament this year.
The Big 12 looks like it's probably going to be a 9 bid league this year. Texas will have a shot to make it 10, but they have work to do after that loss to WVU today.
@kjayhawks said in Other bball games:
I think TCU is a solid club, WVU beats the shorthorns lol
TCU is a good team and should be in the NCAA Tournament this season. The Big 12 had 10 teams in the top 50 on the NET rankings entering today. Texas losing to West Virginia is worse than our loss to UCF as WVU is barely inside the top 200 of the NET rankings.
@kjayhawks said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:
@wissox right that was my thinking, I know they pick networks and such before the season but Temple and North Texas probably had no where near the viewership of our game. Looks like a money grab by them.
ESPN also has a contractual obligation to show a certain number of AAC games. If they bumped that game for KU/OU, then ESPN would be at risk of being in breach of contract with the AAC and ESPN wouldn't want to deal with that kind of lawsuit.
Time for my Texans to get payback on Cleveland!!
Top 10 wins are always nice!
@kjayhawks said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:
UCF isn’t that bad top 100 NET after beating us tho they probably don’t win more that 5 conference games
UCF was top 100 before that game. It was a quad 2 loss for KU which has been rare under Self.
@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:
My takeaway from UCF is that our kryptonite continues to be a long athletic team playing zone.
Hunter being in foul trouble killed KU against that zone. Hunter is the perfect guy to beat a zone but he was on the bench too much for KU to be effective at disrupting their zone.
@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:
UCF was an anomaly, mostly.
UCF is what happens when one of the core 4 gets into foul trouble.
Defense has been much better this half.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:
@kjayhawks said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:
Need to get Juan out
WTH happened with this post? I'm seeing it 6 times, lol!
7 times, this is why I'm not a math teacher.
@kjayhawks said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:
Need to get Juan out
WTH happened with this post? I'm seeing it 6 times, lol!
@stoptheflop said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:
KJ has been quiet this half
0 points, it's been the Kevin McCullar show this half.
@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:
@AsadZ said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Yea, I forgot about Jeff W, he was a monster
I mean, Rex Walters, Jared Haase... Also candidates, but that was a long time ago.
The original question was best transfer of the Bill Self era and those two are Roy transfers.
@AsadZ said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:
Is HD best transfer Self has recruited here at KU
If we're talking for a single season, he's certainly in the discussion with Dedric Lawson. Overall, I would say it's Jeff Withey considering we got 3.5 seasons of him.
Remy also gets an honorable mention because of his tournament performance.
Hopefully the lid stays off for KU!
@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:
College basketball TV scheduling doesn’t work the same way as college football. CBB TV schedules are announced before the season starts and OU wasn’t expected to be any good this year so it was relegated to ESPN+ since every B12 team has to play a minimum number of games on ESPN+.
Yeah, I realize that. Doesn't mean that it's a smart strategy for scheduling. You'd think they would learn.
Logistics for college basketball are much more complicated than for college football so there's really not the room to shuffle games around the different ESPN networks and still meet all of their contractual obligations on how many times different teams and conferences have to appear on an ESPN network instead of ESPN+.
@bskeet said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:
This is the only game between ranked teams today. And, it's a top 10 matchup. So naturally the geniuses at the networks put this on ESPN+. SMH
College basketball TV scheduling doesn't work the same way as college football. CBB TV schedules are announced before the season starts and OU wasn't expected to be any good this year so it was relegated to ESPN+ since every B12 team has to play a minimum number of games on ESPN+.
Have to make some shots in the second and play better defense.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Land Thieves Shooty Hoops:
Something I always tell my players is of your shot isn't falling, then make sure your man isn't making shots either.
And I'm mostly talking to Dejuan here. I don't know what his defense against UCF looked like, but the last couple of games I've seen, his defense hasn't looked up to his normal standard.
Something I always tell my players is of your shot isn't falling, then make sure your man isn't making shots either.
KJ and Hunter have 9 made FG's, the rest of the team has 4 made FG's.
Surprised they didn't call Harris for a double dribble there.
KU has to find a way to make some shots. They're generally outplaying OU, but outside of KJ and Hunter, nobody has made more than 1 shot.
@dylans said in Through The Fart...:
Elmarko hahahaha. Dude just lost his starting job to Furphy. Harris is fine he just needs to pick up the tempo imho. He allows the defense to get set up when he slowly walks the ball up the court, every time. I just wish he could push the pace more to put pressure on the defense, but maybe he doesn’t have the energy to play 38 minutes and there is no good backup option.
Dejuan is playing slow because 3 of the 5 starters are playing 35+ mpg since the first couple of games and Hunter is playing 30+ mpg. That's why Dejuan is playing slow. We don't have enough depth to give anyone but Hunter a break during games so playing slow is how Dejuan, KJ, and McCullar get their quick breathers.
Thankfully I didn't have to watch that abomination of a game and only got to listen to last 10 minutes. I'm going to refrain commenting on individual performances since I didn't get to warch the game, but UCF is probably the 2nd or 3rd worst team in the Big 12 so this is a really bad loss for KU.
KU got a commitment today from the D2 Remington Award winner for best center in D2.
Big 12 currently sitting at 9 teams inside the top 40 of the NET rankings and 5 teams currently in the top 15.
Iowa St. is the team that baffles me the most as far as its NET ranking. They are sitting at 12th, just one spot behind KU and we're in the top 10 before their loss to Oklahoma yesterday. They've only played 5 games against non Quad 4 teams are just 2-3 in those games.
Good to see Udeh still helping KU win games, lol!
@dylans said in KU vs TCU game chat:
@BeddieKU23 Will be good to see some conference action! Can’t wait so remind Udeh what he turned his back to.
I road the bench for state title teams and started for losing teams. I know which was more fun for me and it wasn’t playing more.
Difference there is you didn't have realistic NBA expectations whereas Udeh did coming out of HS. Riding the bench at KU didn't seem like the best path forward for Udeh to achieve that goal. At the end of the day, for most of these players, college is a business to help players achieve professional goals. A lot of P5 players do end up playing professional basketball somewhere around the world once their college careers are finished.
Former KSU QB Will Howard announced he is transferring to Ohio St. for his final season.
@BeddieKU23 said in A look ahead to Conference Play:
The conference might be a bit down overall from a talent perspective but collectively the league has won nearly 77% of their games to date (and that's including 5-8 West Virginia) so it's clearly going to be difficult to win this conference once again.
There's a bottom to the league in West Virginia, Oklahoma St & UCF but KU has to play all 3 of them on the road so none of them will be easy on paper. I think there's 3 or 4 more that aren't that good but have good records until the meat of conference play exposes their weaknesses. This league will have at minimum 6 NCAA bids, possibly 10 or 11 depending on how it goes. It's still crazy
10 would be the max. The Big 12 has 10 teams in the top 50 of the NET rankings right now. With conference play starting, there won't be many radical changes up or down.
One player not going anywhere is Cobee Bryant. Just announced about 20 minutes ago he's returning for his senior season.
@jayballer67 said in KU vs Wichita game chat:
Juan scores 6 points very early in this game then not another word the rest of the game. He just has to look to score more. - -shooting 50 % from the three people have got to respect his shot IF he shoots
When the lead was as large as it was for most of the game, he doesn't need to force himself to score more.
@stoptheflop said in KU vs Wichita game chat:
If/when Juan gets into foul trouble or injured, who is KU's backup PG? Whoever that is, needs more minutes at the point, especially in games where KU has a big lead like yesterday. Like Rockchalk, I didn't understand why tired legs Hunter and the rest of the starters played so many minutes yesterday. Maybe because TCU is a week away or because the starters started the game so slowly. I thought Johnny looked fine. Jamari only played 8 minutes and Parker played 10. Both would have benefitted from more PT. Oh well, I usually think coach leaves the starters in too long on easily decided games. There must be a reason for it that I don't know.
Dejuan's primary back up needs to be Elmarko because that's his natural position and what he'll be playing in the NBA.
Nice to see KU look sharp after the holiday break. You could tell they definitely took their foot off the gas defensively in the 2nd half though giving up 40 points.
Bean's best chance at making the NFL is probably changing positions to WR and utilizing his size and speed in that manner. Far too often, he forces passes into double and triple coverage resulting in bad interceptions.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Guaranteed Rate Bowl News:
@Texas-Hawk-10 he is invited to the aloha bowl to play w/top players in front of scouts!
It's a lower level all star game that's notnthe caliber of the Senior Bowl which is the one that will produce the most NFL talent. This one is going to be more for lower level pro leagues like the CFL, XFL/USFL. Bean very well could end up in one of those leagues, I just don't believe he has the decision making of an NFL caliber QB.
@kjayhawks said in Guaranteed Rate Bowl News:
@AsadZ he finishes his career #7 in all time passing yards and 2nd in passing touchdowns (huge gap from Ressing to everyone else) so he’s gonna be in the record books here for a while. Believe he is also is tied with Ressing with 6 passing touchdowns in a game.
KU has some players that can either break or set new records or move very high up on some all time lists.
Jalon Daniels if he stays healthy next season, big if, could end up #2 in passing yards. He's currently 9th at just under 4,300 yards and needs a little of 2,100 yards to move into second place in career passing yards. That would also out him somewhere in the top 10 for single season passing yards. Daniels needs 8 TD passes to move into 2nd on that list ahead of Bean.
Luke Grimm and Lawrence Arnold should move into 4th and 5th on KU's all time receptions list. Grimm has 126 and Arnold has 121. Mark Simmons currently sits 4th at 155 so it seems likely that both Grimm and Arnold could get 30 and 35 receptions respectively to each pass Simmons.
Receiving yards is going to be a fun one to watch where Arnold and Grimm end up. Depending on next season, they could end up 2nd and 3rd all time. Arnold is 723 yards behind Steven Sims for 2nd and Grimm is 800 yards behind Sims. Doubt Grimm gets there based on career production, but Arnold should have a shot to pass Sims based on the last 2 years.
Grimm and Arnold could also end up 2nd and 3rd in TD receptions as well. Sims is currently second at 19 so Grimm only needs 3 to pass Sims which seems likely and Arnold needs 7 which is less likely, but still possible.
The player that could sit atop the KU record books after next season is Devin Neal. June Henley currently sits atop the rushing list with 3,841 yards. Neal is currently 4th all time at 3,077 rushing yards. If he stays healthy, it seems likely Neal breaks that record. Neal will also likely break Henley's career rushing TD recod as well. Henley had 41, Neal is currently 3rd all time at 33 TD's.
@AsadZ said in Guaranteed Rate Bowl News:
If he can get a good NFL QB coach who can teach him how to read defenses better, he can have a solid NFL career.
He has elite speed and a very strong arm.
I recently read that he is #2 in KU ranking only behind Todd Reese on number of TDs thrown. That's an extraordinary achievement considering he was a backup.
Bean is not an NFL caliber QB. His decision making just isn't good enough and that's not something a QB coach will be able to fix well enough to get Bean in the league.
@BShark said in Guaranteed Rate Bowl News:
@Texas-Hawk-10 If you are talking about on3's algorithm that is just based on social media impressions + other unstated factors and is detached from reality.
If there were actual numbers put out there that is something differently entirely but I do not believe on3 at all. For example Kevin's NIL value before the season was set under $100,000. A laughable number. They since increased it to around 800k.
I would agree that Neal is taking a risk though, I was surprised to hear that he is coming back.
That's why I used valuation and not what he actually earns because I don't think we know the full amount someone like Devin Neal is actually earning in NIL.
on3 isn't meant to be a place where you find out how much a player actually earns because there are variables involved in that such as what school a player goes to that on3 doesn't necessarily factor in.
A star player for Kansas basketball is going to be pulling in high 6 figure or better in NIL money. We know Dickinson is likely making $2 million in NIL based on his recruitment. $100k is about the minimum I would expect any men's KU basketball player to be pulling in simply because they play for Kansas basketball. I'd be very surprised if Dillon Wilhite, Patrick Cassidy, or Wilder Evers aren't making 6 figures in NIL just being on the team.
Devin Neal coming back I'm going to guess is largely based on him being a local kid and wanting to take a run at a Big 12 title next season. He'll also likely be on a lot of watch lists next season so he could possibly significantly bump his NIL earnings for next season.
@kjayhawks said in Guaranteed Rate Bowl News:
I know a guy that works in Lawrence and for the company Christmas party they had KU basketball players there. He said they cut them each 10k checks for about an hour of talking and taking pictures.
Basketball players at KU will generally earn more than the football players because that pie is much smaller. Even the walk on players will make quite a bit more in NIL than most of the football players will.
@nuleafjhawk said in Guaranteed Rate Bowl News:
I have a serious question for once.
During penalty breaks (so about 2 1/2 hours) the announcers were very complimentary of the KU program and the direction that LL has us heading.
My question is - did they talk like this when Mangino had us playing well and took us to bowl games in the day?
Is the program better or do we just have better players? I feel like the community embraces this team and definitely has better support from the A.D.
Bottom line - what's different about us now and 25-ish years ago?
Mangino was an asshole of a human being who pissed a lot of people off around campus including high level donors and people in the AD's office. He also didn't make many friends in the media either. There's a reason why other schools weren't sniffing around Mangino when he broke through here. There's also a reason why KU couldn't secure the funding for stadium renovations even after the Orange Bowl and it was because of how much people hated Mangino as a person. Lew Perkins not being well liked either didn't help when it came to fund raising.
Leipold is a much more personable and well liked person which is why he's viewed much more favorably than Mangino ever was.
@approxinfinity said in Guaranteed Rate Bowl News:
@Texas-Hawk-10 @BShark can you speak to whether it could be financially lucrative for Neal to stay, our emotions on the matter aside?
NIL deals help a bit, but I doubt it would be financially competitive with a rookie NFL contract in Neal's case. A third round pick will make about $1 million per season on a rookie contract and a 7th round pick will make about $775k per season on a rookie deal.
Neal is definitely taking a financial risk by coming back next season because his NIL valuation is currently about $400k.
@dylans said in Guaranteed Rate Bowl News:
I didn’t watch all the football games, but Cobee and Grimm consistently stood out and seem like they could have a shot at the NFL. Neal could make a roster as well.
Do any KU players have a pro grade on them (draftable)? It seems like a couple of the big uglies sat out to get ready for the draft, so there should be at least that.
KU DE Austin Booker who sat out last night is expected to declare for the NFL Draft. Booker is projected as an early Day 3 pick (4th-5th round) right now.
Starting LT Dominick Puni also opted out to focus on NFL Draft prep work. He's also currently projected as a 4th-5th round pick.
Both players are steadily moving up draft boards and could each move into 3rd round pick territory with good showings in the Senior Bowl for Puni and Pro Day and Combine for each player.
For the 2024 NFL Draft, Mike Novitsky will also have a chance to be a late round pick.
Overall, KU has quite a bit of potential NFL talent on the roster. Both starting CB's Bryant amd Dotson have NFL futures, Devin Neal announced he was coming back yesterday after projecting as a 3rd-4th round pick this draft cycle. Jalon Daniels could be a pick he can stay healthy for a season. I don't know that any of the receivers will be drafted next season, but at least Grimm amd Arnold should get training camp invites in 2025.
KU is going to be a Big 12 contender next season. We have a relatively easy schedule with only 4 games against 2023 bowl teams. UNLV, ISU, KSU, and West Virginia are the 4 schools KU plays that made a bowl this season.
If KU is a contender for the B12 next season, they'll also be CFP contenders as well with the expanded playoffs.
@wissox said in Guaranteed Rate Bowl News:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Couldn't Caleb then decided to quit on October 30 then or whenever? I still think it's dirty and ultimately could hurt fan support of a team.
I think USC going 7-5 this year had a much bigger impact on their fan support this season than Caleb Williams not playing in a bowl game their fan base doesn't care about. USC's fanbase expects to play for national championships and when they fall way short of that goal like this season, their fans aren't going to care as much. Making a bowl game at Kansas is a much bigger deal than making one at USC.
Imagine if KU basketball enters a season as a Final Four favorite, but things happen and the team ends up in the NIT for whatever reason. Do you really think this fanbase is going to care about the NIT in that situation? Now imagine that team also has a player that's going to be a top 3 pick in the NBA draft. If you're that player, why do you care about a 2nd tier tournament when that result is far below team expectations entering the season?
College is meant to prepare and train a person for a professional career regardless of the field is it not? Players like Caleb Williams make business decisions on where to go based on where they believe will best prepare them for the NFL. It's a different mindset and mentality from a fan and it's always been that way. Rules changes just mean it's much more out in the open now instead of behind closed doors. If I grew up in Kansas a diehard Jayhawk fan, but my career ambition has always been to be a veterinarian, I'm ultimately not going to go to KU because KU doesn't have that program. I would be going to KSU because they're the school in Kansas with a veterinarian program.
@wissox said in Guaranteed Rate Bowl News:
@COHawk said in Guaranteed Rate Bowl News:
I would think if he's not playing that he's already decided on the option he plans to take. I understand the worry of an injury but wasn't that possible every game during the season. Our sense of loyalty (to team, teammates, school, etc.) seems to have disappeared over the years.
This has been my contention. IF you tell someone it's ok for them to sit out because you might get hurt, well, unless you're a playoff team, why not sit out way back in October? 'Can't make the playoff anyways so these are meaningless games TO ME.'
This never used to happen. Only in recent years have players decided to screw their teammates over and their fans by sitting out games.
Here's another spin on it. When a player who has transferred out or skips a bowl game for the NFL, that's a chance for a younger player to get real game reps against a similar caliber team. This gives the coaches game film on a player they may not have had otherwise which can help with player development in the spring because now coaches see what specifically needs more development that you don't necessarily get in practice.
Take Caleb Williams for example, how does he benefit or USC benefit long term from him playing against Louisville in the Holiday Bowl? If he played, USC has a better shot at going 8-5 this season. They don't care because this season was already a massive disappointment for them. Playing a younger QB to see if they still need to find one in the portal is going to be a bigger longterm benefit to USC than Williams playing in their bowl game.