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@patoh3 The issue isn’t NIL - plenty of teams paying players who are playing.

It isn’t “playing hard” it’s actually we don’t have legit talent

We are the team paying big contracts out to bad players who we valued incorrectly (Hunter, d2, kj, storr ect)

Bill’s eye for talent sucks and he loves him some good players that would have excelled when Self was in college

@rockchalkjayhawk Duke in November when “Bill hasn’t installed the offense much or - we don’t guard anybody” is completely different than now

Team then = loose and even Bill granted a longer leash to see what he had under the bright lights

Team now = pissed off, different leashes for different guys even though the guys with the longer leashes f up as much as the newbies

People keep bringing Duke up and it was an incredible game but seeing multiple fans at TOS point out that’s how we are and then we get Bill’s standards and install and we immediately tighten up in a bad way. It’s sadly true more years than not and been exacerbated this year because we have guys that are 4-6 year guys and then other 3-4 year players who performed at other power 5 top programs

Bill botched this one and the team has also quit/revolted against him. Kj and d2 try but that’s about it. They are so limited it is pathetic but man don’t tell that to Bill as he will go to the grave that Kj is the most impactful player to ever play at KU and d2 is the greatest pg off all time. He’s delirious

@SlimShaddy54 true dat! Wish we almost had L’s and instead were racking up Dubs!

@Texas-Hawk-10 Setting the expectation upfront….you gotta be in sales too lol

What’s the goal - why are we doing this - make the client/kids tell you and then tailor what you do from there

Genius

@approxinfinity aghhh that’s a tough one

If it is true Oats wants to come here I don’t think we lose DP and Flory. I think Adidas steps up so with or without Bill I don’t think it matters.

Now to play the game if the options are Oats and transfers but lose DP and Flory or have Bill and those 2 - I want DP more than Oats so can wait 1 more year lol

Bills gonna butcher it and mess something up about that squad and we won’t run anywhere close to like we should. Good chance the 1 and 4 are young, unproven and will tick Bill off with their play and he will defer to more senior’d guys who are in the right positions (can’t make the plays but hey they are at least standing on the court where he wants them) but limit the March ceiling

My confidence in Bill is below zero much like the current roster

@BeddieKU23 Bill with DP thinks next year is his year

Book it

Won’t win the big 12

Lose in the sweet 16 to a higher seed

He will have diggy eating minutes and DP throwing it into the post to “run the offense” his way

His brand of basketball has always been unappealing. Roy never won titles but boy were his teams fun to watch.

The 2008/2022 teams almost collapsed multiple times in the tournament to severely lesser teams because of how Bill likes to limit possessions and win rock fights.

It is the exact opposite of what you do if you had his kind of talent. It’d be like Ohio state wanting to slow it down and limit possessions on Notre dame - that’s what Norte dame would have wanted to give them a better chance - shorten the game

@DCHawker putting it all on those 2 guys? Heck no - I listed 5 when you count how he handled the big 3…..

This is well past two players but it’s shown how those guys were successful elsewhere and they come here and struggle

That’s because of Self and his bad system/philosophy

@focojayhawk 100% well said and I think you are right

I’ve dogged on Self and truly do think it’s his problem as he brought all these turds in but those guys still had chances to adjust their attitude and they haven’t

@benshawks08 The issue is more-so how he reacts to guys differently based on in game mistakes. That’s caused the serious division on this team.

Rylen and Storr have had some good moments and plenty of awful ones but getting the quick hook to watch the big 3 continually screw up and get dominated creates dissension.

This is all Self inflicted and he used to be able to get away with it via the seniority card but now when seniored guys transfer in who produces well elsewhere and he treats them different it creates exactly what you’ve seen play out.

Guys are pi$$ed and tired of the bs from bs. Treating three guys like they walk on water when in reality they are getting blown out while then defending those three is bad.

I’d be hard pressed not to tell the coach to take a hike as well because he clearly doesn’t have a clue how to handle the squad. He hasn’t gotten through to them but that’s because of his treatment starting early in the season.

Messing with starters, saying he messed up storr, saying storr and Rylan aren’t getting it - same old bs from bs except they were at other programs that recently are more successful than ours. This causes the basketball iq to say this old goat is off his rocker, sawft and we are playing black and white 1950’s ball - I’d be checked out as well after a few quick hooks in Nov/Dec

@jay4ever Good stuff

Self doesn’t need a complete retool philosophically but he needs to adjust heavily

Don’t give up easy baskets and get them makes sense but today I’d rather have a guarded guy go 1 v 1 in the pain than let a dude chuck a wide open 3

The goal in today’s game is to run guys off the line and have them take a bunch of mid range jumpers. Defensively that’s what you want to have happen but we are the opposite as our rotations are such that we don’t recover quick enough and give up open 3

That paired with how we space and move the ball offensively is just brutal. There’s a reason guys come here and their free throw attempts per game plummet because the system has no spacing.

Throw it inside to “open up the 3” doesn’t work anymore because coaches fake double and recover or just let their big guard 1 v 1 and are okay giving up 20 points to Hunter. Granted he misses a ton of bunnies just like kj and a lotta of guys because guys are athletic and guard them straight up wel

Distance to the basket doesn’t always equal better - Self gotta grasp that

@approxinfinity said in Ute came to the right place:

Agree. It makes me sad that I am conflicted about KJ and Dajuan. Kids we should root for without an astericks.

Great kids zero doubt just not starter level KU players

Self never intended to recruit over them and he flat out didn’t. He brought in other players but never guys we knew would take their starting jobs.

It’s been multiple off seasons of “1 and 4 are locked in”. You don’t think recruits and transfers know that - well shoot I have an beachfront property in Kansas to sell ya!

Bill tallied his horses to miniature ponies that he thinks are Clydesdales. He’s too arrogant to about face and hes too sawwfft to do anything about it now.

Next year will be diggy and dp…..he loves a good undersized guard who can’t guard or attack the paint - just float around the 3 point line with “energy”

@kjayhawks I’ll cut @Texas-Hawk-10 a ton of slack on jcl statement. He goes back and forth with us on here and has some knowledge about the game.

I enjoy the jousting even if he’s told me I’m a dumb mfer lol

I want Self gone this off-season which people are shocked by. But seeing Liam McNeely and Philon get legit run and play well - they would not do that here. Even if they got run they wouldn’t score say the 38 like Liam had the other night. Self would lose his mind and it’s like he never lets players do that. It’s honesty really odd the more I dive into his philosophy along with how he’s won consistently but struggled to reach the mountaintop with top rosters

Self and his system are toast. He isn’t getting 3-4 year guys to stick around and if that’s what he needs to run his perfect little system than it’s outdated and a bad system. Explains the upsets and playing down to our comp in March.

@Texas-Hawk-10 geez revisionist history

D2 was recruited over by arterio lol heck no. It was d2 with Morris starting at the 2 guard per Puerto Rico and everyone who follows the hawks knows this

You must not see bills loyalty to d2 but he 100% had the keys from 2022 on

https://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2021/jan/06/redshirt-freshman-dajuan-harris-shines-i/ ↗

@Texas-Hawk-10 Your objection is objectively false as I’ve proven

D2 started every game NEXT to Remy. Everyone thinks remy started for d2 but that never happened until remy got nicked up

Bill was always starting d2 because he said he’s the John Stockton of pure pg’s. He NEVER recruited guys over him just guys to play next to him or spot him minutes

Identical with Kj as proven by @BShark and @FarmerJayhawk how we were out on stud 4 guys because they knew coach loves Kj

Easy on Coit he’s pg1 next year when he outplays Elmarko in practice!

You are 100% spot on though

Watching auburn vs Bama is like watching a completely different sport.

Guys that play with freedom unafraid of making mistakes because in a 40 minute game they will inevitably make plenty of them. Shooting with confidence and not afraid to miss and sit…

Thing of beauty

@Texas-Hawk-10 Or maybe just maybe the players getting all the minutes aren’t that good

And the system employed isn’t as well

Pair those with quick hooks and favoritism and Bill gets what he made

Blaming it on nil is a poor loser mentality as my boy Jeter would say - losers always have excuses

Reality - his favorite players aren’t actually good at basketball. They get all the minutes, they have all the experience, he built the roster around them and we have more L’s than ever before in Self’s history here

But yeah let’s blame NIL for this even though Self hand picked the squad

@jay4ever He hadn’t coached em yet

He runs in the locker room “we got guards” or maybe it was the interview

Guys shot the 3 with confidence

Oh and Hunter didn’t play the last what 10 minutes and Flory did great but people swear still to this day he isn’t good enough

@kjayhawks He cosches, evaluates in practice and is confident these are the best guys

I think he puts more emphasis on who’s good based on practice and not the actual games based on these last 2 years

@jay4ever he’s like me a bball junkie

Yesterday we were texting about loyal Chicago cause we were both watching

@approxinfinity Hope he’s not around

He’s been given the best roster for multiple decades and delivered twice

Time to go live in FL and golf everyday

The fact he can’t get this squad playing well and guys played better at other top programs than ours tells me the game has passed him by

He will stick around - we will get bounced in sweet 16 with Kobe Bryant at guard because of some suspect minutes distribution - same stuff versus vcu in 2011, so on and so forth

@jay4ever account for them hitting some free throws - it’s over

Never lead at a 5-8 bad Utah team

Another L on the road

Getting texts from Bama “what’s up with Kansas man - you guys look like 1980’s ball with this offense and ur losing to white guys with short shorts who can shoot it”

@jay4ever Buck stops with Bill

Nagy doesn’t call plays Andy does

Assistants can offer opinions but Bill does what he thinks is best - he don’t give a you know what - about what an assistant thinks if it goes against what he thinks

It’s over can’t score 10 over 1:30 it’s done

Offensively we couldn’t get it done even if we get stops

@jay4ever say it with me archaic

Transfers take forever to pick it up

Defensively we don’t guard the three point line

We play 3 bigs and can’t rebound

Retire Bill before you waste 1 year of prime Kobe Bryant!!!

You already threw away Wiggs and Embiid with the Tharpe debacle and now it’s DP getting hosed by diggy

I can see this crap already “oh diggys been the best guard in practice” will be word from @BShark ans @FarmerJayhawk - meanwhile stud transfer can’t pickup the offense or defense to bills liking

D2 and Dolla Bill drawing up a play - man it’s gonna be money!!! Let’s watch!

@kjayhawks He’s miscalculated how good “his guys” are and he’s too arrogant to come off it

It isn’t an assistants fault - it’s flat out on him and as I’ve said he can live with this one

Senior night L and 5-6th in big 12 I don’t want him stating “national champion” kj adams and Dajuan Harris because since they’ve taken over the program we’ve been absolutely awful

@kjayhawks Don’t hate on Ochai jr! He’s gonna be a first round draft pick and star in the league just ask Self!

3 bigs in and can’t board

But uh uh I thought heights= rebounds (bills mind exploding along with all his basketball truths being proven false)

@approxinfinity running 3 bigs now - Bill’s favorite dream lineup!

This team is so bad and going to get blitzed to end the season in kc and in the tourney

I’m not sure how fans can watch and have any belief. In fact, most I talk too have all checked out and watch but don’t even get mad when we lose. That’s proven here with guys/gals doing other things.

I’d never miss a KU game but when they become average quick - it’s easy to find something else to invest the time in versus guys who get praised but aren’t good enough and a coach who has no clue what to do about it

@approxinfinity shocking- he plays first half we come back

He plays second half we come back

But uh uh uh kj and hunt gotta play more uh uh uh sorry - oh students show up better

How about you don’t suck at your job

@jay4ever said in Ute came to the right place:

F.. this has been a bad season

Last 2-3……..if only we knew the common denominators and were fed the lines of how great they are when the results didn’t back that trash up

Almost insulting or just insulting to self that he doesn’t have an effin clue who’s actually good at the game.

@DanR Bad roster but the coach thinks the players are great

Paired with awful management of said roster

Paired with archaic offensive and defensive philosophies

Gets you want 5-7th place big 12 finishes and what 13-19 on the road the last 2 years (something atrocious like that)

But yeah I’m sure it all gets 100% fixed next year and the right guys will get all the minutes (cough cough I’m calling Diggy playing way too much right now)

@kjayhawks nah he’s weak, gets pushed off his spot, would foul out playing more minutes ect……right!!?!?

@Kcmatt7 Man he f’d that team up to once we got to the final 4

Wish he’d stuck with what got them there versus feeding Dok over and over who came back from injury to start the game

D2 looking good against D2 athletes but least he came to friggin play!

For once he’s the more athletic guard on the court

@patoh3 Must not watch film on us lol!

@approxinfinity It is but they are nice

Best friend lives out there and he’s from the Midwest but loves it. He’s not a mormon but said it’s his favorite place to live and he’s lived all over (OK, IA, AZ, WY and now UT)

@approxinfinity We haven’t guarded the line for at least a decade

Just not prioritized by Bill

Looking less athletic and worse than the

Worst team in the big 12 and probably least athletic team as well

Geez you can see it already Coit is becoming bills guy at pg and will play a ton of minutes next year blocking better options at the position

“No energy guys” -source: trust me bro that’s the problem

@kjayhawks It’s not that they don’t care or energy

It’s that the players aren’t very good especially the 3 that plan the most

@approxinfinity The fact we are even arguing impact on the game between these two is comically bad.

One guy stepped in and changed the game on both ends. I don’t care about nba potential but it is even more damning proof (based on draft boards) to go along with the actual results on the court

The whole 80 mpg 3 guys - 26-27 mpg hasn’t panned out and it won’t

@Texas-Hawk-10 Huh that doesn’t compute with his performances when he started and played 25-30 mpg

What are you basing your analysis on exactly because it isn’t results when given the minutes

You sound like what the staff thinks will happen if he gets extended run but it was proven the opposite actually…..and you’re still claiming “not strong enough - pushed off his spot” as some highly objective analysis.

Flory opens up the offense but more importantly is so impactful on defense with an actual rim protector. He blocks AND alters shots.

If dolla bill actually cared about defense and “stopping easy baskets” - Flory would never come out. More proof dolla bill’s own philosophy goes out the window for his favorites

@kjayhawks the quick hook for an open shot is bad coaching

Even worse was his taking shak out after 1 turnover when he’d came in for d2 a game or two ago. D2 goes right back in and immediately proceeds to turn it over but of course he won’t get yanked

@Texas-Hawk-10 It is right up bills alley to stick with coit over ej or some recruit we bring in

For some reason bill likes how diggy plays but we won’t win a title or even big 12 title with him starting or getting big minutes

Helps having the covid year

All I was told is he’s a winner whether in practice or games. The issue is the last 3 years we’ve done some of the least amount of winning in actual games for decades so I’m thinking self puts way too much emphasis on practice W’s versus actual elevating his players and helping them all play their best to win

@SlimShaddy54 I’d love that but it is never been who Bill is. He wants to win ugly and win defensive shootouts and “play bad but make the other team play worse”

Rather than just focusing on us playing our best he tried to hedge against us playing poorly instead of trying to maximize playing great ball

I’ve never seen a bill self team run until they are down double digits. It’s why we have so many upsets because we have horses he just holds them back from running

No teams have been like Roy’s brand of ball. The closest was the Graham-svi-Malik-Vick team that just ran to Chuck 3’s. They were seniored enough that Bill couldn’t yank them all. We then got Dok back reverted to slow it down and throw it inside and got boatraced avainst nova. We didn’t defend the 3 point line cause Bill hates “easy baskets” which to him is defend inside-out because he can’t grasp that a shot close to the rim albeit guarded is still more difficult than a wide open 3.

His thinking is drastically flawed. You’d think he’d see all of KJ’s “close to the basket” misses versus a zeke wide open 3 and figure out the zeke 3 is better BUT NOPE he prefers throwing it in to kj or getting kj 1v1 for a last second completely contested shot - because it’s uh uh closer to the basket so don’t analytics say uh uh that’s a higher percentage shot??? - no Bill ur analytics department needs to be fired

Another example - Liam McNeely had 38 last night in a 70-66 win at creighton

No way he is allowed to shoot 22 times here as a frosh. I doubt DP will be allowed to do that.

Gotta play dolla bill’s system and he’s a frosh so missing 1 three that Bill doesn’t agree with and you get the bench until mid second half

Kease got the yank for a 3 where the ball worked inside out. Hand down man down and bill still didn’t care

This is why guys don’t play with confidence here. Don’t shoot 3’s, win 54-52….man just retire this year Bill let’s bring in a coach who can adapt and let guys play loose

Watch us actually elevate once he does

@approxinfinity I don’t disagree but he scores 20 and gives up 25

Analytics claim he’s good defensively but per film and just watching the game that isn’t backed up

Zags torched us last year and any team can on pnr right at him and d2