@dylans Hmmm....good point. I have to make that battles-worth-fighting calculus all the time on our neighborhood board. "OMG! Someone put an ad in the news section!"
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@dylans "I know it’s sacrilegious, but I don’t mind Fran…"
Wow, where were you in the 8,000 posts where I was the lone voice saying anything in defense of him? Beaten and bruised I was!
@jayballer54 Go through the posts that have come out after those 2 losses and see if he is wrong on the insecure and nuts thing!
jayballer54 said:
Well I se that our one FOUR star CB from Louisiana stuck to his verbal commitment . - Corione Harris the teammate of Jason stuck to his word - some piece of good news glad he stuck. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
First Rivals Top 100 fb player EVER to sign with KU!
@approxinfinity Actually, it wasn't as strong an endorsement as it looks from the headline. "Shoo-in" does not appear anywhere in the story, just the headline. Each member of the panel was asked to name 12 teams they "would not be surprised" to see make the final four. KU, UK, Gonzaga, Wisconsin, and Arizona all were named by every member of the panel. So, five teams were 100 % choices to be among the 4 teams left, so by the headline 5 teams were shoo-ins for 4 slots. I would like these surveys to be a bit more discriminatory--say, name the final 4 and then break down the responses. 12 is ridiculous.
@DoubleDD You must have missed the last balanced budget under Bill the (not-self-confessed-unlike-the-Donald) alleged predator.
@AsadZ This era will rival the Robber Barons era of the late 1800's. A business and rich people buffet feasting on a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit increase all just so they can say they actually passed some legislation. Supported by less than 30% of the country. Most tax benefits to the middle class get phased out in a few years. Literally billions of dollars flowing to just the Prez, several Cabinet members, and wealthy senators and representatives in congress alone. That is where the flow goes. Where does this flow come from? Our kids and grandkids.
A new Golden Fleece. If party roles were reversed, Republicans would cry bloody muder about self-serving debt-addicted Dems.
Early season results SHOULD result in big swings in the rankings since the first rankings are set purely based on opinions and expectations. Small sample sizes result in bigger jumps. As things settle down and water finds its level, less variation should occur. Nothing to get excited about.
@jaybate-1.0 This quote gives a partial explanation:
The Cradle of Basketball
By Jason Crowe
From the Summer 1995 issue of Indiana Basketball History Magazine
It was in 1891 when James A. Naismith invented the game of basketball for his physical education class at a YMCA in Springfield, Mass. They played with a pair of peach baskets and an old soccer ball. It was just a year later when Rev. Nicholas McKay brought the game to Indiana. McKay was taking charge of the Crawfordsville YMCA. He felt this new game of basketball might help keep Hoosier athletes active in the winter months. McKay hired a local blacksmith to forge two hoops. He attached old coffee sacks to catch the ball. And an Indiana tradition was born.
It didn't take long for this sport to catch on, with players from Crawfordsville spreading the word about this new game of hoops to nearby communities. As the game spread, innovations began to appear. Like backboards, to keep partisan fans in the balconies from interfering with visitor's shots. And bottomless nets so the ball no longer needed to be pushed out with a pole.
Although Naismith had published 13 original rules to govern his game, the actual interpretation of these rules varied widely among Indiana communities.
By 1911, the state had a state high school basketball tournament, won by none other than the team from Crawfordsville. In 1913 and 1914, the state saw its first back-to-back champions from Wingate High School: a team led by six-foot, four-inch Homer Stonebraker. It was said that Homer Stonebraker could launch his shot from anywhere in the gymnasium with deadly accuracy.
Teams from Thorntown, Lebanon and Lafayette Jefferson dominated the sport in the early years. And through the 1920s and 1930s basketball spread throughout the state, earning converts in schools from Evansville to Gary. And the state tournament grew as well.
In 1925, James Naismith himself visited Indiana, to see what enthusiasm his game had inspired among Hoosiers. He watched the state finals among 15,000 screaming fans of Hoosier Hysteria. Later he wrote, "Basketball really had its origin in Indiana, which remains the center of the sport."
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The part that puzzles hme is that they seem to be less than the sum of all of their parts.
I think this puzzle is solved by realizing there ain't all that many parts--yet.
@jaybate-1.0 Date?
@HighEliteMajor Way back when, I felt that he shouldn't play fb, but as a tight end on a ranking team, it seemed very unlikely he would decide not to. And I think he might have changed his commitment if pressured.
When he left KU, he went home to rehab and enrolled in a local small college or Juco. He did say he was going to take a year. I don't recall him opening a full recruitment, just the AZ enrollment in the Spring, I think--as you say, ahead of schedule.
I guess to be fair I should agree that his stubborness was his baggage. First, in playing fb without considering the risk. And second, in believing that just feeling better after going home meant he was recovered, which is what I think explains his AZ fling.
I never saw any reason to be suspicious of his motives--just a kid chasing two dreams that were not as compatible as he thought.
My nominee is The 'Stache, who apparently never brought his baggage and went somewhere to get it, but hasn't been seen since.
@HighEliteMajor Still not accepting the medical report on Zach Peters despite the fact that UAriz retired him on medical disability midway through his year there, on full scholarship due to his concussions? You are either stubbornly insistent on pushing the "there is more to this" narrative you urged from the time he left, or, I hope, you missed all the updates.
@JayHawkFanToo said:
It will not work if you use the “Post quick reply” option, you need to use the “Reply” button further down if you want to include links or insert pictures.
You can still do the quick reply thing, post it, and then choose "edit" to bring up the top composing bar that has all the font and document-insert options. This is handy if you do not want to reply to a particular person. (Or just hit reply as JHF2 suggests, and then delete the name.)
@Ralster Where ya been?
NO NO NO!
The beauty of basketball is that it requires only a dozen or less (Big Attendance KU having fewer, of course) athletes to participate and possibly even beat anyone! School size has nothing to do with it! Big schools should do this only if they are afraid.
(I agree with double elim, tho!)
@dylans The delays after self-reporting are sometimes due, it seems to me, to lack of transparency from the families and others receiving or getting payoffs.
OTH, maybe KU has a major cloud obscuring everything questionable that occurs. It took how long for the JJ facts to come out? The dorm crime is still unresolved. The 'Stache has mysteriously disappeared. Carlton's pipe took awhile. We didn't even know about Vick:s freshman year problem until last year. It seemed to take forever and a private lawyer for the facts to come out about about Cliff and, IIRC, Diallo. Selby's family friend, Ben's trip--lots of investigations, sometimes a several game sanction, but not a lot of clarifying reports.
@jayballer54 Well, if he is behind in proper understanding of how to master the HCBS system, then perhaps he will come in pretty much even with the rest of the team. So, I say immediate help.
I am trying to figure out why Garrett gets so much praise, while Lightfoot gets singled out in this thread as virtually useless:
@HighEliteMajor Probably not. I think the intensity of worsity (new word for me!) is directly proportional to level of importance, not the level of dashed expectations or the margin by which we are favored.
Similarly, a great victory is also determined by its level of achievitude (another one!), not by how many excessive points we scored.
@chriz His article gives a coherent explanation. I don'tagree with him, but I understand it.
Considering how dismayed some people here felt about our team after the Washington game, I am shocked people are shocked. I am interested in something else--Parrish has 5 B12 teams above us.
@Lulufulu Can't claim basketball's origins, but I have seen people say that here a lot. The sport originated in Springfield, Mass. New England schools had the first college team competitions.
Now, we did get the game's inventor as our first coach (but he had a losing intercollegiate record). Phog Allen and Naismith were responsible for helping create, I believe, the NAIA and its tourney, the CBB Coaches' Assn, and the NCAA tournament.
And we have the effin' Rules!
@HawkChamp Same significance as tourney ousters? Wow! I hope blood pressure meds are available if every game is that significant to you.
I think HCBS previously has been criticized for focusing so much on winning every early game so that he didn't have to address team vulnerabilities revealed in March. Now he let them come out and can do so.
I think a deep breath and a little faith are in order. But, stress if you wish.
OMG! OMG! OMG!!! We lost a game in December while horribly undermanned and the coach didn't go batshit! That would have helped a lot! A pissed off coach makes shots go in!
Perhaps the strategy was to let the players go, follow their alleged instincts, and learn what can happen when they don't strictly pay attention or follow the staff's instructions. Standing around? Not the coach's instructions, for sure.
Any team winning big can get a big head. Self let them find out they are vulnerable. If it looked like the Oregon game, that was because shots did not fall and the inside game was only there occasionally. This could have happened in any of the past 3 games, but shots fell then.
The difference between this and the Oregon game is that they now have seen what happens and can develop strategies to counter. Maybe with some depth after next week, too.
Anyone wringing their hands over this game should focus their worries on something more productive, such as soap operas.
@kjayhawks Most of the current crop of firings appear to be based on far more than a single accusation. The criminal justice system is a different set of issues: when someone has committed a crime on video or there are audio tapes, anyone can decide for him- or herself whether he did it.
It is actually incorrect to say "someone is innocent until proven guilty." In the US court system a defendant is "presumed innocent" when hauled to court. That presumption is easily overcome with evidence, resulting in a guilty verdict. Getting the evidence into court by having traumatized abuse victims testify is very hard. But not having a conviction yet doesn'tmean the son of a bitch didn't do it.
The court of public opinion requires less, and that of a PR-conscious employer probably less than that. We sure don't want everyone with dozens of accusers keeping the jobs wherein they victimize people until a court system can get to a verdict. Do we want Sandusky to have kept his job, or did we find Syracuse and Boeheim responsible for not acting when they should have listened to the first accusers and witnesses?
Finding annecdotal stories of people mistakenly accused is easy--finding unprosecuted people who are able to intimidate sex crime victims into not prosecuting is unfortunately much easier.
@JayHawkFanToo Wasn't Drue Jennings (an outsider by then) who handled the KU investigation into TicketGate?
@jaybate-1.0 Why don't you write it? Publish with Amazon. No one can stop you.
@JayHawkFanToo And just think, if some people on this Board were UCLA fans then, they would have pooh-poohed his entry into the draft: "Not good enough to start in college!"
Let us pause a moment to reflect on Sven Nader, the only NBA first round pick who played in the NCAA without ever starting a college game. As a pro, he was the only person to lead both the NBA and the ABA in rebounding.
(Incidentally, he was a JUCO transfer to UCLA. Wooden must have been scraping the barrel, just like HCBS.)
@dylans Not available apparently to non-administrators so I seem to have lost even my own posts in that topic. "Access denied."
Man, I spent the day installing ceiling fans for my son and taking the grandkids on a sugarcane train Santa ride here in Maui, and I find I missed a whole civil war here. Congrats to anyone who has managed to fight over Lavar Ball. That is a battle worth the effort. Are people mad about something else and bringing it here?
@wissox I seriously doubt, whatever hidden parental failures you may claim, that you would ever pull your kid from a top-notch all-expense-paid educational institution just because he was being punished for criminal activity. Pulling him because of the crime? That, I could see. But I know all I need to know about the family from this issue alone.
@dylans This is fun! Fire Bill Self--Hire The Psychic Network for recruiting instead!
@dylans He has shown a nice little hook at times. Needs to learn some arc on both that and his FTs, but practice will improve those.
As to verticality, his body type may not allow much; Hudy will figure out what he can do. Remember, he was 40 lbs heavier on his arrival, and every time he goes up he is trying to not only leg press 260 or more--he is trying to leg toss that weight a foot or more into the air after never having had to do it as a younger player.
@dylans So, when they are living with the team, like Tyler, they are still paying room and board? Makes sense.
It all comes down to two injuries, Doke's wrist and Coleby's knee. The first left him a year behind in game experience and in learning post movement, the latter left Coleby more than a year behind and unable to perform in his one year here at the level of which he was capable.
Those factors led staff to scramble for stopgap players to supplement 5-star Billy coming in. The stopgaps got discouraged by ML's improvement and potential as a 4-year player so they left, as did Coleby, when they saw that they were going to be sharing too little time in their final years.
So, it is obvious that Bill Self is to blame for the injuries in addition to not being able to read everybody's minds.
I still blame the Chiefs' coaching staff for Derrick Thomas's car crash and later death in the hospital, due ultimately to not wearing his seatbelt in snow and ice. They should have known he was a risk-taker.
Same with Yordano and the Royals.
All coaching staffs are always to blame for anything that goes wrong, no matter how surprising to the world at large. And anyone who thinks otherwise is an excuse-making idiot who doesn't understand coaches are paid to take the blame.
Heee! Heeee! Heee!
@RockkChalkk A walk-on pays for all school expenses like any other student. The team pays all basketball expenses, and for all team related activities. If travelling with the team, they get the same per diem for food & expenses.
@HighEliteMajor You have previously noted the consistency with which KU adds inches to our players--Jamari, Perry, etc. So, does this represent an incipient Clay Rule that does the opposite?
@jayballer54 defibrillated?
@Hawk8086 On that rim hang question, we won the opening jump and also had the first possession of the 2nd half. I could not find any other "jump ball" alternating possession possibility in the 1st half play by play, so I think my earlier explanation is likely.
The announcers were pure crap at explaining anything, so I spent a lot of time looking at the ESPN box score during the game to find out who fouls were on, etc.
Another nice stat: No turnovers by our post triple threat in 40 minutes of play. Few chances, but still, exactly what you need!
@Hawk8086 On the first question, I think that with the rim hang stopping play on the T, it may have gone back to Syracuse on alternate posession (our rebound therefore not counting).
Waiting to hear from all the experts who not so long ago said Graham did not have a Mason-esque personality to take over a game when we need it.
@jaybate-1.0 Really funny, in the box score he has 1 assist and 3 pfs, and no other stats. But might be mvp after DG for filling the post for over 9 minutes--which let DG go crazy. Took a charge, just as ML took two earlier. Doing the fundamentals very nicely!
@Bosthawk "does this happen to other elite teams?"
Probably. How many of us immerse ourselves every moment of every day in numerous media outlets covering other teams?
As to Billy's mom and all the speculation by other posters (not you Bosthawk), wow, so much knowledge by so many people with so little information. My favorite is the annual "Bill Self is lying and we know it."
@Gorilla72 I don't think he would be allowed to unless formally added to the team (has that happened and I missed it?), which requires NCAA approval I think. They can't just fly anyone or it would probably be an improper inducement.
@HighEliteMajor I think the trapping is trying to get Doke comfortable moving inside and outside on D so as to have a big defend the 3 by opposing 4s and 5s. There seems to be an explosion of 6'10 to 7' players shooting 3s the past couple of years. If he just plays the lane, he won't foul as much but can't defend his guys as well if yhey are versatile.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I think a Canadian would most likely apologize for being a badass. But if he was a hockey player, after issuing the sincere apology, he would then be twice as bad a badass--and apologize for that, too.
@wissox
I.e., UK fans.
@wissox Oh, that is SO annoying! Yes, I really prefer the rabid, angry response to a loss, where people curse the players, bitterly relive each mistake not just in that game but in years past, snarl at anyone looking for a ray of sunshine, blame the refs, call for the coach to be fired, and basically define the term "poor loser." Yep, those are the much better fans!