I've just always had it in my head that Weber is not a good coach. His all time record is - meh - 463-244, so there are apparently worse coaches out there somewhere. Honestly, it must be the way he looks. And acts. And talks. He's just so...........strange.
BAM! Talked myself into it - he's not a good coach.
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
CAN WE KEEP THE SUBJECT ON KU RECRUITING ANDNOTHING ELSE
Whew!!! You yelled that just in the nick of time. I was about to whip out a recipe for a killer German Chocolate Cake.
@BeddieKU23 That will be great for the 2,600 "fans" that show up for every Oklahoma State game!
@BShark said "more short term players would be staying in college I imagine."
I never really thought about that. Shoot yeah. 18 year olds are pretty impressionable. So, if Zion had stayed this year, it might have sparked a whole new generation of kids who think "it must be cool to stay in college - Zion did it!".
Dang you Zion.
@BShark, @FarmerJayhawk Josh was a good guy, good player. 31-5 is not bad for a lot of teams...
My point is - hang on to your seats - i don't like the whole idea of OAD's. Wiggins is a prime example. If you watched that whole season, most of the time you were looking at whomever you were watching the game with and asking them, or yourself "why isn't this guy playing 100%? Is he hurt? Is he lazy? Is he protecting the goods?
I never got that feeling from JJ. He was a ball player. He hustled. He got his teammates involved. He was fun to watch. Ever wonder where we'd be if he were a senior this year? Oh My!!
@BShark Yes. And Wiggins and Josh had such a huge impact on the University of Kansas. He should definitely try diligently to get more of those types of players................
Every football season I'm pumped up thinking "THIS will be the year.........." and by October first I'm thinking "Will this punishment ever end? Let's get on with basketball". Slowly, I'm learning to like football more and more consistently. I mean, isn't it great to go into a season with ZERO expectations and then be happy if we get a couple of nice players and 2, 3, 4 wins?
It's way more appealing to me right now than expecting our basketball team to start the season ranked #1 and wind up with what is, for us a crappy season? Not even a share of the Big 12 Championship? Really?
Rock Chalk Football!
@Kcmatt7 Thanks for the feedback. I was wondering, because everyone (KU fans) made such a big deal about him the past ....hundred years - however long it's been since he's been our pine rider. I thought he was supposed to be like Zion if he ever got to lace up.
I know a kid that plays on a local High School team in the town that I live in. Well, "plays" might be overstating it - he's the towel boy. BUT - he's seen every play of every game for the past four years. Plus, he's seen things in the locker room that can't even be put down in black and white. I feel that by osmosis, he should be as good as any player we've seen at KU for the past 2-3 seasons. Plus, he's got all seven toes (family is originally from Chernobyl...) and one pretty good eye. Should be off crutches by the start of next season.
I think we could have a shot at him.......
@BeddieKU23 Just curious - why do you feel like he won't get an invite?
@HighEliteMajor said: "Third, need a commitment from the player on flexibility should injuries and situations dictate. Fourth, focus on kids that are team players and have that mindset."
So, I've talked about women's basketball a little bit lately, mostly because I'm starting to think that they are better ballplayers and better teammates than the men players ( another discussion... ) - but what you said up there ^^^ is so true. It makes me think of Chloe Jackson, the point guard for the Baylor Lady Bears - this year. The reason I said "this year" is because she was a senior in college and this was the first year that she had EVER played point guard. You think she was scared? Mad? Like, "hey - I'm pretty bad***, maybe i shouldn't have to play a position that I've never played before."
But she did. She listened to the advice of her coaches - and maybe no one else, i don't know. But she took on the attitude, "If this is what will help the team, then I'm going to give it my best shot." I really admire her.
Plus, it seemed to work out pretty well. Baylor Lady Bears - 2019 National Champs 82-81.
@justanotherfan Not to be that guy, my friend, but the position that Grimes will be playing next year is RTP.
Riding. The. Pine.
If he can't play college ball worth a hoot, chances are he won't be playing productive minutes in the NBA. For a few years anyway. Probably three more years.
About the time it would have taken him to learn how to play ball at Kansas.
@Kcmatt7 The point of having Duda on the roster is so you can sing this song:
De Campptown ladies sing this song,
Duda, Duda
The Camptown racetrack’s five miles long
Oh, de Duda day......................
I had the craziest dream - Les Miles was the head football coach of KANSAS!
Bwaaaahaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
I hope I don't wake up soon.
@BucknellJayhawk3 Seems as though they know how to win in April though.....
@wissox G.A. would not do us any good.
Women listen. Women hustle. Women shoot free throws.
@MoonwalkMafia I always "knew" that kind of crap went on but i didn't KNOW it for sure.
I'm real close to being done with this crap.
Maybe I'll go back to golf after a 30 year hiatus.
Maybe FootJoy can sponsor me. Maybe I'll get gold plated clubs, ride in Bentley's and smoke Cuban cigars, hookers at the 19th hole - AND I won't have to order off the dollar menu any more. I can order from the big boy's menu!
@approxinfinity You're right - it isn't the kids' fault. If you or I are 17, 18 years old and somebody wags 20-100 million in front of our faces - what are you going to do?
That's why I'm saying - if they want the money - go pro right out of high school. If they want the college experience - stay four years.
You'll know when I'm elected President - that will be the first thing I do. You'll be like "HEY! Ol Nuleafjhawk is our president! I'm leaving the country now!"
@Marco Zackly. As good as Danny Manning was, if he were a OAD - no championship.
Why can't everyone just do things MY way for a change?
If you want to play pro ball, go play pro ball. Who cares? But do it right out of High School. Or Jr High. Or Kindergarten. Whatever grade you fool yourself into thinking that you're NBA ready.
But leave college out of it. If you go to college, stay in college. Win some championships. Make friends and influence people. Rock Chalk Jayhawk.
@dylans Yes. I had the opportunity to meet him once. As you say, he was very approachable and genuine. He treated people with respect.
@FarmerJayhawk We're going to concentrate on football.
@dylans I seriously have had a love / hate relationship with him. I loved him for 15 years, hated him for a couple when he left and teeter back and for between rooting for or against UNC. Why couldn't he have played at SOUTH Carolina or some other school that isn't relevant to basketball?
All in all, Roy is a great guy. I would welcome him home to Lawrence any time.
@dylans "As I recall a year ago Self said (paraphrasing) I don’t care about rankings were going after the guys we want."
Did he say anything about not giving a S*** about North Carolina?
@BigBad camera adds 10 lbs. Lol
@BeddieKU23 Good stuff!
@drgnslayr said: "I grew up with the fundamentals and I bet I could still take my old rear end out on a court and could seal off the rim for boards better than anyone on our team. It’s pathetic!"
This is how I feel watching every single one of our games. Well, let me preface that by saying I feel that way watching the players that, in my opinion, aren't giving their all - and there's a lot more of them now than there used to be. But I'm sitting on my couch watching the game thinking "I'm 60 years old and I could whip every single one of these guys one on one". And I will personally GUARANTEE I could beat every one on this year's team in a free throw shooting contest. And I'm not bragging - they were just that bad.
@HighEliteMajor I'm 100% in agreement with your position on the OAD's. You seem like a very bright guy and I'm a regular schmuck, but why is it that people like you and I can see how blatantly obvious it is that the OAD's are bad for college basketball and the "experts", the coaches and administrators and the people that do this for a living are blind to it?
It blows my frickin regular schmuck mind.
@jayballer73 I don't believe anymore that the NBA drafts on "potential".
I think they believe in magic if they think they can take someone who can't play ball and turn them into superstars.
@dylans Super high ranked guys don't guarantee immediate success either.
Zion
@BShark Some of the guys at the YMCA and the Churches might at least have 3-4 years experience. Let's give it a shot!!!
@HighEliteMajor If Doke comes back next year, his free throw shooting will be so bad they'll actually take points away from us every time he steps to the line.....
@dylans Yes!
Think about the OAD's that KU has had. I won't mention names, but you know who they are. Have they helped us in any way?
Think about the 4 year players....again I won't name names. But many of them are on banners hanging in the rafters of Allen Fieldhouse.
It's not just us. I was just talking about this earlier this morning with a guy at work. Look for Gonzaga to start a downward spiral in the next few years - because - they got to where they are because of having a core of juniors and seniors that got to know each other and they played well together as a team. Now that they are starting to reach that "elite" (not blue blood) status, they will start seeing an influx of OAD's and they will start seeing a whole lot of "L"'s pile up.
Give me a team of junior and senior nobody's anytime. For instance:
2019 National Championship players -
VIRGINIA -
Diakite - JR
Clark - FR
Guy - JR
Jerome - JR
Hunter - SO
Key - JR
Salt - SR
Huff - SO
TEXAS TECH
Owens - SR
Mooney - SR
Culver - SO
Moretti - SO
Odiase - SR
Francis - SR
Edwards - SR
Corprew - SO
Sorry this is so long-winded, but this really jumps out at me. Each team had one Freshman, Virginia had 2 sophomores and TT had three, but all the rest are Juniors and Seniors. To my limited knowledge, none of those players were players that Duke, Kentucky, UNC or any other blue bloods were really slobbering over.
I don't know - maybe it doesn't mean anything. But it does to me.
@jayballer73 They'll probably do Duke as much good as Zion did.
@BigBad I could be way wrong on this, I've been wrong before. I never perceived that his problem was anything physical - looked like he had what it takes to play the game.
But he just never looked "all there" to me. Like he was thinking about his girlfriend, or what to post on facebook, or what was for dinner that evening. Just always seemed like he wasn't mentally prepared.
I'm incredibly tired of college basketball.
And Pro basketball.
And baseball.
And football - just pro football, because the Chiefs always get rid of their best players, plus I'm excited to see what Miles does the next few seasons at KU.
But I still like golf. It is the BEST to nap to.
@approxinfinity - DUDE!
OK, I have never read the original rules of basketball.
You had me going until i got to number VII.
I really need to study up on my basketball history........
"Namely, I never want to make sacrifices for 5 stars again. Either they’re sterling kids or HARD PASS."
That settles it then. No more 5 stars.
@approxinfinity Well, if Beard goes to KU, I'll take his job.....
@Kcmatt7 Depends on what part of Texas. We lived in Houston for almost nine years - traffic is the worst pretty much anywhere. Dallas is pretty high up on the traffic suck list as well. Might as well add Austin to the list - it's despicable too.
Florida - one big ol sinkhole waiting to happen. But it's purdy.
@dylans I've never given a hoot about TT one way or the other, but I was REALLY pulling for them on Monday.
Oh well, like Meat Loaf said: Two out of three ain't bad.
Congrats to Texas for winning the NIT Championship
Congrats to Baylor Women for winning the NCAA Women's Championship (heal up soon, Lauren Cox!)
Come on Texas Tech - make it a clean sweep for the Big 12!
@dylans What I meant was Mitch Lightfoot attitudes.
But, NIT might not have been so bad this year.....beats our one and done.
@Crimsonorblue22 HUH? Not following you ....
Bosthawk said:
"I never got the Love-for-KU vibe very much from him (and does that really matter?)"
For me, that's one of the most important things. I LOVE the guys that come here because they've always respected KU, or the ones that get recruited who have maybe very little knowledge of KU, but quickly learn the history and grow to love it.
There's literally too many to name, but even this year, Mitch LIghtfoot is that guy. He was the Arizona player of the year and, while he's no Zion, you don't get to be the player of the year in any state without being very good. He probably could have played at a lot of schools and done very well, but he loved KU and chose to play at KU knowing his PT would probably be limited.
I want a whole dang team full of MItch Lightfoots - guys that bring the energy, have a great attitude and put the team first.
@wissox Come on man, if it's on the internet somewhere - it HAS to be true.....
@FarmerJayhawk I need your address - so I can send the EMT bill to you.
This past year I've learned a lot about expectations. Low and High expectations. What I've learned is - I don't know anything and I have control over almost nothing. From now on I will do my best to live my life hopeful, but not get dejected when my expectations are not met.
This includes KU Basketball.
@joeloveshawks I'm your mini-me.
@bcjayhawk mine was only thoughtful and insightful after having it pointed out to me that I was being the opposite of that, but thank you. @benshawks08 was especially gracious and @Crimsonorblue22 is always sweet and thoughtful. Almost. Always. Lol
@wissox I could have gone another 16 years without thinking about that 2003 NC game.
Free Throws - Syr 10-17 - KU 12-30
Three point loss
I've harped about free throws forever, and if we would have hit our regular percentage we would have won, BUT - I just looked at the box score again and I'd forgotten that Syracuse hit 11-18 3-pointers and we were 4-20.