We got butler to the bench early with no rhythm that's a nice thing to see
BeddieKU23
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I love the poise that last 3 minutes. Not rushing plays
Marcus with a huge shot
Love it
How hard is this
Rock chalk everyone!
Game of poise, character and want to
Boom
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Biggest Game of the Year and it's at 11am Thread:
Bets on seths call?
Ha. Wouldn't believe even if it was for the good guys
@BShark said in Biggest Game of the Year and it's at 11am Thread:
His first game back in a couple weeks. You knew it would happen.
Yep pray he cant shoot today. Killed us in the first game. Especially that play where Doke blocked the shot right to him and he makes 3. They made so many lucky shots
Looks like teague will play
Teague is still game time decision.
Practiced yesterday some but wrist injury on shooting hand is the concern
Going through warm ups to decide
I feel good. We are a much better team then the first meeting
Agree he's having an "outlier" year. I don't think its a lovefest by any means but we can give respect where its due. He did come into Allen Fieldhouse and beat us down pretty good. Tomorrow we can return the favor
@dylans said in More than we can BEARS...:
@nuleafjhawk No disrespect meant, yours is a common opinion and one you seem entrenched in. I just don’t know if it’s 100% deserved. Any success at Baylor is harder to come by than at a blue blood. As far as Drew goes I don’t believe he has star potential Beard does. If Scott Drew can sustain his current level of success without a big drop off he may prove me wrong on that front.
His team might be really good next year as well.
If Butler/Teague/Mitchell return - that's crazy. Vital, Mayer & Thamba as well from current roster
They have two transfers sitting this year, one a high scoring guard in the mold of Teague & a big they are high on.
They signed 3 Top 100 kids as well and redshirted a 3 star Small Forward. Drew looks to be positioning for a multi year run
Then I guess I do think labeling him "not a good coach" a harsh statement. What's your definition of a good coach? I generally have no idea since it seems to be a moving target for everyone. Again your opinion to have, wasn't bagging on you about it, just found it interesting.
Things to consider:
He's the winningest coach in Baylor History and has more NCAA tournament appearances then any predecessor combined, Baylor Basketball has been around over 100 years.
They have only been to 1 championship game in their history, 72 years ago. He's taken them to the Sweet 16/Elite 8 4 times. Baylor Basketball doesn't have the rich history KU has and I think that has to be taken into account that Drew has elevated the program to its current status because nobody else did before. I'm in no way advocating for Drew and Baylor just adding perspective
That seems a bit harsh but its your opinion to have. I think his biggest weakness over the years has been big games (especially against KU in conference & in the Tournament).
Something changed this year though. Switched to M2M defense from his exotic zone to match the personnel. He made a change that benefited the team.
He hit home-runs on the transfer market in Teague/Mitchell and got extremely lucky Jared Butler backed out of his commitment to Alabama in the spring. Those guys have developed a great deal under Drew's watch.
The big thing with this roster is almost everyone in the lineup has had the benefit of a red-shirt year which is something Drew loves to do. It's an old team. Maybe Freddie Gillespie was always destined to be this good but his story is pretty unique- started at D3, walked on at Baylor, earned a scholarship and now starts and is an integral part of their success. I'll give credit where it's due, Drew has hit it rich this year
@drgnslayr said in F-bomb Roy....:
I watched UNC blow it at home against Duke. That's about all I know about UNC this year. Can someone explain their disastrous season? And it is a year where the ACC isn't exactly going to beat the door down in March Madness.
10-16?
I think Roy lost the team right around when he aired them out earlier in the season.
Lots of injuries (especially Anthony). I see a team that cannot play the style Roy prefers and has perfected over the years. I don't see the chemistry with this group. Cole Anthony has reminded me a lot of Trae Young's year in Norman.
Roy had to get some grad transfers to supplement roster turnover and neither Keeling or Pierce has had the impact they were expected too. Bacot was a HS All-American and has had an up + down season but will be a top player if he sticks around. Brooks has been the one constant for them and his development has been overshadowed by team performance. The rest of the team is just not good enough to compete IMO. Perfect Storm kind of year for Roy.
@BShark said in Other Games:
@BeddieKU23 they are absolutely one of the best 68 teams but that's not what the ncaat is about.
And its a shame it isn't. The tournament is a billion dollar revenue stream no matter who's in the darn thing. I just know this ETSU team is capable of beating a P5 team in the first round and if they don't get the opportunity to show that for some reason they should scream to whoever will listen. We see it every year. This is one of those years I really feel for the little guys.
The first Baylor game was pretty much a carbon copy of how KU loses Tournament games. Turnovers- they dominated on points off turnovers, Butler had a dominant individual showing- scored 10 straight points at one point (something that usually happens when KU loses in March), KU was down its best player for a big chunk of the game (in-game uncontrollable event), - KU shot woefully from 2 & 3 (always a recipe for Tourney exits).
What I like about the timing of this 2nd game is KU has improved a great deal from that game. They haven't lost since, guys are healthy and chemistry is strong since the switch to the 4 guard scheme.
I saw a recent tweet from Jesse that stated Baylor did a great job attacking Braun & Moss in that game. Those two guys have improved on the defensive end since that game.
KU also made a schematic mistake allowing Doke to be shadowed by Vital or the guard closest to him which forced double teams upon entry pass and catch. Our guards were terrible in that game passing into Doke. There was one play where Agbaji missed so poorly on a post feed it hit the backboard. Some of KU's players were rattled in that game. On a positive note when KU used Doke on high ball screen action they were able to run smoother offense and get things moving. I think the offense has looked a lot smoother the past month with the switch to 4 guards and I'm interested to see how much they camp Doke on the post and try and feed him. I think they will pick their spots and try and run him around ball screens because there maybe a higher probability of getting him a good post touch that Baylor cannot double team with him moving around. Baylor scouted KU to a T in that first matchup.
Basically I think the level KU is playing on right now is higher then it was 10 games ago. We're seeing the best basketball right now from our best players (Devon, Doke, Marcus) which wasn't the case in the first matchup as well. I'm optimistic we can leave Waco with the W
@jayballer73 said in Other Games:
N C State just flat took it to Duke last night. - -Pretty well had control of that game through out. - -duke made a little mini run about half way through the 2nd half cut it to 10 - -but NC State stole their jocks and left Duke standing at the turnstile lol.
Auburn gets manhandled - -AGAIN crazy season
It was the worst lost to a non-ranked team in Coach K's career. Glad he finally got that monkey off his back.
Auburn has had an incredibly lucky season. Showing some worts lately
@bskeet said in Other Games:
Duke lost by 22 (!) ETSU looking like a dangerous mid-major.
I watched ETSU game. Both ETSU & Furman are good teams. ETSU just had a little bit more firepower + playing at home. It's a shame they won't get an Auto bid with the season they are having. Road win @ LSU, played KU close. Kenpom has them #56 team. What hurts their profile is 3 games against Non-D-1 teams and 4 teams ranked in the high 300's. A good team that belongs to dance and won't if they slip up. The Southern Conference has 3 teams that should dance and they will only get 1, sad
Guess we don't have weapons or too many guys! Huh guess I'm watching the wrong games
Coaching Confidential from ESPN on the matchup. Only 1 coach apparently got the memo!
Highlights:
Butler vs Dotson
"I think Dotson is the player of the year in the conference by far," one Big 12 coach said.
"Jared Butler is the player of the year in our league," another coach said.
"If he's hitting jump shots, there's nothing you can do with him," another coach added. "People want to go under pick-and-rolls, but he's going to get where he wants to go." (Dotson)
"Butler can take a game over at any time," one coach said.
MaCio Teague's Availability:
There's no consensus from opposing coaches on how much his absence would impact Baylor.
They're able to switch everything," one coach said. "If you're putting Bandoo in, you can attack him. He becomes the mismatch. His counter would be if he's making 3s. But if he's not making 3s, I don't think Baylor has enough firepower."
"They have four guards, so with Teague out, they still have three guards that can beat you. They're going to just play deeper minutes," another coach countered. "I don't know if it impacts them. They have four.
Who's better Defensively:
One coach said that Baylor has better individual defenders but that Kansas is better as a team.
"Baylor messed us up because they switch 1 through 5. That runs you out of everything," he said. "They don't let the ball in the post; they front. Mark Vital -- him and Marcus Garrett are the two best defenders in the conference. Baylor has better individual talents, and then Kansas has a good scheme. What they're doing, how they protect [Udoka] Azubuike in ball screens. They don't give up any second chances; they're able to get every rebound."
"Garrett is the X factor," one coach said.
Doke:
His physicality and the way he plays around the rim, you can't simulate it in practice," one coach said. "Where he catches the ball, it's either two points or a foul. And part of fouling is you get them in the bonus so early. It just becomes another factor to deal with. He's just such a factor with his ability around the rim. He's not missing many inside of 8 feet."
Keys to the Game:
For Baylor, most of the coaches I spoke with pointed to the Bears' need to make shots from the perimeter. They're making only 32.5% of their 3-point attempts in conference play, and they've been a bit streaky in the Big 12 despite having four capable shooters.
On the other side, it boiled down to Kansas' two stars. Dotson and Azubuike form the best inside-outside tandem in the country, but neither player was at his best in the first meeting between the two teams. Dotson needs to get out in transition and needs to be effective with ball screens, and Azubuike needs to dominate down low. Gillespie isn't a match for him physically, but Azubuike simply couldn't get touches in good positions the first time around.
Picks:
Baylor: "I think Baylor can win it all. I think they're deeper."
Baylor: "I'd pick Baylor. Baylor just has too many weapons, they have too many guys."
Kansas: "I would tend to lean toward Kansas. Baylor hasn't been at that level since that first game. This is the type of game Kansas has been built on. They're never rattled in games. It's never too big. They don't flinch."
Baylor: "It's hard to pick against Baylor. Their switching causes a lot of problems."
Baylor: "I think Baylor wins it. Azubuike is the toughest matchup in our league, and Baylor has the only front line that can handle him."
I still would take him over Josy. 6'5, physically built who can shoot. If that's the 13th guy you can't really complain
@kjayhawks said in No Doubt my MVP for this team:
1.Dotson
1.Garrett
1.Doke
Boom, came here to post them all 1, 1A & 1B
It will be interesting to see what Self does with Devon. He's the front runner for Conference POY and I think he has a great shot at 1st team All-American which at minimum gives him two possible boxes checked. Then whatever happens in March, the possibility of a F4 MVP & Title run.. All from what is expected, a 2 year player. In this Century Gooden, Morris & Robinson played 3 years here. Dotson would be breaking the mold if he leaves after the season and gets put up there at some point. Of course its premature to know without seeing how the awards & postseason goes.
Duke down 15 at half to NC St on the road. I'm sure they will blow that lead
If Dotson ends the season as Big 12 POY, 1st team All American and final 4 MVP, delivers a title do you think he gets up there if he expectedly left after the season?
Had he been healthy I really doubt he would have still been here, wish I could find the quote from him talking about how the injuries changed his plans. However it's been worth the ride to get to this point and I really do think he can anchor us all the way to April.
I just love watching him this season and he has really surpassed expectations especially on the defensive side of the ball. I really think the drop off next season in the post is going to be as noticeable as we have seen.
I hope the scouts come around to him
@BShark said in 2020 Recruiting:
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Recruiting:
Williams coming for an unofficial the 24th. Not much to see here unless we offer, which seems unlikely. Hunter Sallis is a big time target in 21 though.
I just don't see it with this kid. Not a p5 level athlete. Looks like a late emergency add if needed. He apparently won't decide until April so it seems like he is aiming high and hoping a big school gets desperate.
After committing to Nebraska he sure is aiming higher.
It's a big boy game for sure. Reminds of the OU game in Allen years back however with the placement of this game and what's at stake this probably surpasses even that one.
If Teague plays they matchup extremely well with us again.
If I'm both teams I'm thinking how quickly can I get Doke/Gillespie to 1 foul before the first media timeout. Either guy having 2 in the first half would really change the dynamic. Dave is better then their backup
@Crimsonorblue22 said in More than we can BEARS...:
@BeddieKU23 ref
For some reason they let him get away with his crap every game. Its hard to watch him.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in More than we can BEARS...:
Who keeps vital off the boards? 😡
Better question is, who keeps him from Flopping.
Pace of play changed because ISU/OU are top 110 nationally and top 50 in average possession on offense. They both struggle defensively as well. I think the two recent games are not indicative of some major change in strategy.
Baylor is anti-tempo (295th) & avg length of possession (293rd). Even with the 4 guard lineup Baylor is very methodical- like they copied Virginia.
The defensive stats are so similar for both teams that I don't see how this becomes a shootout. I do however believe the 4 guard lineup + practice time/continuity has improved the offense to the point they could actually force a defense out of their preferred style of play (Baylor).
I think the biggest story going into this game is whether MaCio Teague plays (he sat the last two with the wrist injury). With Teague on the floor Self has to choose whether Garrett is guarding Butler primarily or guarding the hot hand. Without Teague, Garrett can limit Butler's impact (as long as he doesn't get into early foul trouble) and that could be a huge storyline. I think KU has a major advantage on Saturday if that plays out, similar to the advantage Baylor had when Dotson was forced out of the game with Injury and when he returned his impact on both ends was limited. Baylor took advantage
Loving this thread so far. I really hope he gets his shot at the pro's. The impact changing his body has had on his entire game has changed his ceiling.
@BShark said in 2020 Recruiting:
@BeddieKU23 Hobo version of Jalen Wilson tbh.
Tattoo game is strong on that one
Probably didn't get the greenlight after that kind of performance. Watching film on him he does chuck it. Seems like a high volume shot maker
I agree we are window dressing in that sandbox
Guess you beat me to it. Sam is a good read/twitter follow always.
Had been hinting to this story about Doke for a while.
If he ends this season the way he's playing I think he's going to get a shot in the league. He's a role player that analytically can be used
Doke getting love from Sam at the Athletic
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@dylans said in Fixing College Basketball:
@chriz He’s directing traffic to one side of the court instead of allowing the offense to dictate direction. Self took this from Beard. Oh and having Dok and Garrett is the biggest reason.
Also called the "ice" the ball screen. The defensive principles of this type of scheme have definitely worked with this group.
Once in 17 years? Making my point right? Self is deadly at avoiding season sweeps
@BShark said in 2020 Recruiting:
Donovan Williams went 1-15 from three with KU coaches (and probably lots of other coaches) in attendance.
ouch, not a good way to get yourself a big offer
This Jayhawk team has that too though. At this point if your as good KU/Baylor have been your team is clicking
I like our chances.
Undefeated on the road in conference play. How this team responded in Morgantown was the DNA of a very good team.
Unlike the first matchup KU is exclusively playing 4 guards now. That's a big difference to this matchup. Also Devon/Marcus were hurt. Devon seems to be trending to 100% health and Marcus hasn't reinjured his ankles of late which I think we have clearly seen from his elite defense in the past few weeks.
Our Coach is one of the best in "revenge games". Not many teams in Big-12 history have swept the Jayhawks under Self. KU gets an extra day of rest and preparation for them.
This is the ultimate test for our leaders Devon, Doke & Marcus. I think the game ultimately is decided on how good all 3 play. We need our complimentary players Ochai, Dave, Isaiah & Christian to play within themselves. This feels like the NCAA Championship game a month early
@rockchalkwyo said in More than we can BEARS...:
We’ll be loaded for bear. Ha! We good
Nice pun, I like it
UNC among many others wants Chandler.
@jayballer73 said in OK ya it's Tuesday , but looking forward to huge weekend let's hear it:
@BeddieKU23 said in OK ya it's Tuesday , but looking forward to huge weekend let's hear it:
@COHawk said in OK ya it's Tuesday , but looking forward to huge weekend let's hear it:
Any update on Teague?
Game time decision for tonight
you can bet he will play Saturday
Yep, wanna beat them at full strength anyway