@jayballer73 I didn't miss anything in your post. I agree that Marcus is doing well in certain phases. But when one says that Marcus is doing exactly what the coach wants, it's a bit silly. Meaning, of course the coach would want a competent offensive player too. Marcus would be Travis Releford if he could score. They were similarly ranked players. So you're saying the coach really wants an excellent defensive/intangibles guy, without scoring?

When someone says of Garrett that he's exactly what the coach needs, it's simply holding the bar too low. Garrett gives us what we need in some phases, and I do think that in certain areas, he's very good. But again, his "role" is his current "role" because his inexplicable offensive deficiencies create that limited role. A role player becomes that because other areas are subpar. The defensive specialist is not a defensive specialist if he can score. He's just one heck of a BB player if he can do both.

It's somewhat similar to what some did with Traylor. Because he was so bad in many other phases, some focused on an area or two to say, wow, he's filling a role -- disregarding that he was a significant net negative.

Garrett, just my opinion here, is a net positive. Much different because his defense and intangibles, including hustle, far exceed Traylor. But on this team, Garrett's offensive weakness really is highlighted because we struggle with second line scoring (behind Vick and Dedric).

I never said you called anyone out. Not sure where you saw that.

@jayballer73 I don’t think anyone said Marcus is the problem. Why should we just give Marcus a pass, expectation wise, on his offense? Why should we be more critical of the “others” or expect more of the “others” offensively?

@approxinfinity The question is if he will really get minutes. I doubt it with Doke coming back.

@Bosthawk Garrett is incompetent on offense. No way that you can say that is not part of the problem. We need offense and the guy shoots like my neighbor. I’ve mentioned this for a while — Garrett off the bench on a differently composed team would be a perfect fit. Here, the lack of offense sticks out like a sore thumb.

But he’s been the best of the guys not named Dedric, Vick, or Dotson. So you’re right, he’s not near the biggest problem.

Looking at the PER for our players. Garrett is 13.3. That’s Jamari Traylor territory.

However, Moore is 8.1 and Grimes 6.4. That’s uncharted territory. We’re 11 games in. Hard to fathom bad it could be that bad.

Interesting note ... McCormack is 24.6, trailing only Dedric.

@mayjay @Crimsonorblue22 The way he finishes is timid anyway. Last year, this year. Just makes for more volatility in result I think. He doesn't go with authority. Finishes are mostly swooping back board layups where he's angling away a bit. He doesn't seem try to get to the rim. Contrasting him to Newman, who could get there (but not dunk) -- Newman seemed to go at the rim aggressively. Or like Mason or TT. Or a physical comp like Releford. Garrett seems passive on this drives most of the time to me. Players with a scoring mentality attack. Garrett doesn't demonstrate that mentality.

@Kcmatt7 Right. Mitch is pretty much who we thought he was. I remain highly disappointed in Moore, KJ, and Garrett (with Garrett b/c I expected offensive progress). Grimes of course is struggling, but we really need more from these three.

@DoubleDD Your mindset is what leads to failure. In all aspects of life. "I'll blame the system", is what you say. And you start from this false premise that life, or anything related to life, is fair. It isn't it; can't be. So you start with a strawman argument.

See, it's your perspective. Why is it fair that someone that "all they can do is play basketball", can make millions per year? Why is it fair that I wasn't born with that talent? Why is it fair that the person who can only play basketball gets a life of privilege, money, and freedom from real work? Purely through genetics?

"Fair" isn't the word. "Opportunity" is the word. Everyone in America has the ability to use their particular talents to achieve. Nothing is stopping them. Are there barriers for everyone? Yes. Are the barriers different for everyone in some way? Yes.

In America, it's the opportunity to achieve. It's not a guarantee of success. There will be winners and losers.

But your whining about the "system" is demonstrative of a point of view that leads down the path of failure. Blame everyone but yourself for failure. Blame the "system."

Yet, in your diatribe, you ignore the obvious. It's right there in front of your face -- it is the Education that is provided through the college experience, through the scholarship, that will lift many of these kids for a lifetime.

But continue on .. it's easier to blame, than to look in the mirror. Everyone can do it? It's so unfair that I wasn't blessed with talent to play a game for living.

This game is nothing more than who we are right now. We’ve shown great character in winning close games but in true road games, the close game thing is more risky.

We’re not at full strength. But concerning is the negligible stat line contributions from the bench.

We have hope to get much better. A realistic chance of being much better.

I just think this is a team that can pick up steam late as guys progress.

The Achilles heel is our bench (Moore, KJ, Lightfoot, McCormack). Adding Doke moves Garrett to that role which he’s more suited for.

We should all sleep well. We have a team with upside.

SDS. Join us.

@truehawk93 Reading your first paragraph, I'm curious, where do you get your pipeline to the facts?

@DoubleDD Let me guess .. it’s always someone else’s fault, right?

@mayjay Regarding Self, by appearances, he is very calm with Grimes vs. what we saw with certain players say 3-4+ years ago. I could understand, then, why Anrio Adams (or whomever) might be a bit gun-shy. But not with Grimes. I don't think Self has much to do with this (understanding we don't know what goes on in practice). By appearances, Self is reactively patiently. (I know you didn't mention Self, but it's a good place to start).

But it does appear to me that he's hesitant -- and then not. Hesitation in athletes, many times, comes from being unsure. I personally think that's it. We don't know the combination of factors causing it, but I also think he has the appearance of a guy trying to avoid mistakes. But that's not saying you're incorrect. I think you're right as well. I think his fear of mistakes creates hesitancy, and thus we see some of the things we discuss. Then, he overreacts, listens to what everyone is telling him -- he says to himself, "I'm just going to play." Then he makes another stupid mistake because his throttle is too far open -- like the silly charge at the end of the game.

So I think it's chicken or the egg. Perhaps the "I'm just going to play" creates an overly-loose style first, and then when it blows up, he retracts. That may be more plausible in the cause/effect now than earlier. Because now he's probably going into games saying, "Relax, just play the game." And then two turnovers and offensive foul later, he reverts to survival mode (trying to stay on the court).

That may be some overdone psychoanalysis, but I think it's a reasonable explanation.

@Kcmatt7 Some similarities, again, to Selden it would seem. I may be wrong, but I think most KU fans believe Selden never got to point we thought he might get to with his game when he arrived. Grimes is definitely a better ball handler than Selden.

The eight year extension is a thank you. Much like Snyder's five year extension. It also can help in recruiting for at least a while to take ammo away from other coaches saying he won't be around a player's full four years. It really has nothing to do with whether the coach actually intends to coach that long. There may even be some sort of buyout that also the parachute to be pulled at a certain point in time.

Patience with Grimes. The silly charge near the end last night was a perfect microcosm of his season. Just some major discombobulation going on.

Self is doing what we have always asked for, which is permitting the higher ceiling guy to play through difficulties. No complaints here at all.

That said, Diallo never looked near as bad as Grimes at times. I never thought Diallo looked bad anyway. Nevermind. Blood pressure rising a bit.

@KUSTEVE - Good description of Moore's body. And he looks 12 years old. More on the substance, that kid can really shoot ... last night. Do we believe 6/9? Or the prior 3/23 from 3?

That said, we don't really have another choice.

This is one of those years where I suspect the set rotation will not happen. Self is forced to go match-ups, hot hands, etc. No one really stands out right now, though I think McCormack might change that up a bit (assuming SDS doesn't return).

@BeddieKU23 Nice job here. Garrett is a perfect fit for certain teams. Not this one though. We need scoring. On the other hand, we aren't getting scoring from Grimes, Moore, KJ, or Lightfoot. And thus can't tell you where we'll get scoring from at the moment. Garrett's non-scoring contributions are undeniable. I love Self's quote from @Bosthawk above -- "He’s a good player,” Self said of Garrett. “If he had a consistent (shooting) stroke, he would be our best player; I mean, all-around player. He can play and he’s got fast hands and he’s tough and does all the right things.” Heck, he can handle the ball some too. But alas, few players are perfect. Mason .. TRob .. Mario. Not many.

Garrett is one major brick mason, though. Kind of like the Joker recognizing the squealer in The Dark Knight ... I know a brick mason when I see one. And that ... that right there ....

I've always been highly in favor of the woman's bun movement.

Stress fracture last season. Same foot.

The negative is that folks that get stress fractures are highly prone to more.

Good catch. You may recall Wright having his guys jump the handoff in the 2016 Elite Eight. They were anticipating our offense in many phases. The “out-coached” thing was a discussion point in both prior games vs Wright — EE and FF.

@jayballer73 Well, you're right on both counts. Grimes is completely lost. It will make the time he "finds it" even more satisfying ... so long as it's this season.

And we are playing with a loaded gun. We know it will go off in our face. Teams like this have the gun go off in March. We know that. A FF will be a surprise at this point. However ... big "however" .. lots of time to for cohesiveness to build, and identity to be found.

Funny how we thought we were so deep. Not at the moment.

@FarSideHawk Man, where'd you come from? I don't recall seeing that young Larry Brown avatar for quite a while.

@JayHawkFanToo Thank you. But my question is, what is the precedent or authority for you suggestion? Your suggestion that KU would be unlikely to be penalized if it didn't know in advance of the payments. What authority is there that it is "unlikely" we'll be penalized if we didn't know of the DeSousa payments before or while we were playing him?

@JayHawkFanToo What’s your precedent for asserting that it is unlikely that KU would be penalized if it did not know of the DeSousa payments? Memphis vacated a FF appearance and they didn’t know. Rose was cleared to play by the NCAA beforehand too.

Jefferson’s for wings .. dry rub are the best ones.

Recent history, the last decade, is all that compromises Indiana's credentials -- or maybe from its last FF in 2002. They have five national championships, and incredible history dating back to the 1800s I believe. Their elite status is compromised of course because of recent play. But the blood is blue in my opinion because of history.

KU a bluer blue blood than UK or UNC? Kinda maybe not. Our lack of NCs drag us back a bit. Hard to claim we're a more bluer blue blood than UK or UNC. I'll take "on par." But the NCs for UNC and UK make our argument of parity a difficult one (vs. those two with near equal resumes otherwise).

Of course, the definition of blue blood is up to the individual. But to claim Indiana is not a blue blood, I believe, is to ignore the very history of the game that so ingratiates our alma mater. We have to win a few more NCs.

But many believe their status is compromised ... one example below.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2017/02/22/insider-long-blue-blood-what-iu-basketball-now/98151836/ ↗

Seems to me that blue bloods means historical -- KU, UNC, UK, Indiana are the bluest of the blue bloods. Add in UCLA and Duke because their history over the last appx. 60 years. Then we get to the next tier that aren't blue bloods. I don't think Nova is a "blue blood" at all. They are next tier, like Michigan St., Louisville, Syracuse, UConn, etc.

KT knows what Zion got. Guaranteed.

@mayjay This goes to one approach I think KU could have taken. It would have required a different approach by Self. KU to the NCAA -- Look, if you want to burn us, fine. Do it. But we will burn the place down. We know where the bodies are buried. We know who got paid -- from Duke, UNC, AZ, everywhere. Let some assistant AD be the formal whistleblower. And burn it down. Or, alternatively, the NCAA can issue a statement acknowledging widespread corruption, dishing out nominal penalties, and implementing new, stricter standards.

Heck, Self could have been the white knight. The man who blew the whistle and forced change. But he is not aware .. (clearing my throat) .. of any .. you know .. third party inducements. The "I dare you to prove it" approach.

Do you think that Townsend doesn't know what Zion got? Sure he does. Self knows. KT was wanting to do what it took to get him.

I agree with you that the situation right now is different between KU and Duke. It is only that way, I believe, because of some weirdo code of silence that somehow exists. And we've discussed this before, where are the aggrieved, the upset fathers of players not getting paid, the girlfriend that knows too much, the player who now doesn't care, the tell all book deal? Puzzling.

But why should we sit and take it if we're penalized and others aren't? No way. Not now.

So play DeSousa. And say kiss my a**. I dare you.

@HawkChamp Grimes is reminding me of Selden, and how we had thought he could go early. And the apparent underachievement. Some Oubre similarities.

@Gorilla72 Seems like Few implies his displeasure with programs that don’t do it the right way, and wants those folks sanctioned promptly. Can’t argue there.

This is not the team I expected. Yet we win. I really don't know how.

Maybe character? Team character? These aren't bad teams we're beating.

Trying to spin this in the right direction because I don't think I've seen a Kansas team this messed up since Wiggins' season here, or late in the 2014-15 season.

I will say that one thing seems obvious here -- Self has played the right guys each game. He's ID'd the guys that will give us the winning formula, from Garrett a few games back, to Lightfoot last night. That's the biggest reason we're undefeated.

I am concerned about the Vick thing, and Self summarily saying he just had a bad day Thursday.

We might have three losses if Vick wasn't playing now.

Most critical in my mind is Grimes. If he's lost, getting to the second weekend may be a challenge.

But look at our league. It sucks. This discombobulated crew might have only three or four losses even playing like this.

Another thing, it had seemed to me that Doke was causing issues for Dedric. And I know many felt we might play better without Doke (including me). We may need another theory.

DeSousa .... just dreaming.

KU 6-12 and Doke didn't play.

@Texas-Hawk-10 As much as I liked Mangino as a coach, Gill was clearly a better man, and a better role model for young men. Although I was upset when Mangino was fired, I thought Gill was an excellent hire.

The conditioning deal, too, was that Gill didn't impose his will and have a coach/trainer that dictated requirements and expectations. Things that a givens at top high school programs. All a bit puzzling.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I think you're incorrect on Gill. Meaning I don't think he would "have been fine." I had a very reliable connection that reported a number of issues. Biggest thing was conditioning and lifting. Gill didn't control that. He put players in charge of their own conditioning, and had very loose standards in the weight room. It was very lax and undisciplined atmosphere. Some players rarely participated. Team rules were a joke and regularly bent and ignored.

Where it's hard to argue with you, and I probably agree, is whether we'd be in a better place -- because I can't argue in favor of Weiss or Beatty. Not defaming Weiss, but Gill and Beatty were both good men and guys you know had their hearts in the right place. Gill was probably the best of the bunch.

I'm a Mangino fan. I like styles that win. Gill, Weiss, and Beatty were not able to win here when winning here is quite achievable.

@JayHawkFanToo This feels a bit like the Cliff limbo .. no end is sight. I wonder what records the NCAA will have access to from the FBI? There was discussion of that.

@JayHawkFanToo It would .. but I'm just kidding around. A KSU buddy of mine is a lurker here and I just wanted to prompt a text from him with his hopes up and all of that. Sorry about the #fakenews. And he did text me so mission accomplished.

Just heard that Urban Meyer is now in talks with K-State. Good friends with their chancellor.

Seeing Sam Lacey and the KC Kings brings back some memories. Lots of games with buddies at Kemper.

@Kcmatt7 To an investigator, the absence of a bank deposit on an illegal transaction means nothing. Or at best, a very very small box to check. It’s expected that they won’t deposit it. Folks in such situations retain such cash. Most often converting it or sometimes laundering it in larger schemes. Much like the self employed deck builder who gets cash payments. Or the drug dealer.

Where you’re going on proof of a large cash transaction is the most likely way bank records are most helpful —— comparing to a standard of living, looking at purchases. The absence of payment in the bank records. You can then see that cash was converted to an asset or used to pay a debt — a down payment on a car, a boat, private school tuition, a money order to pay a credit card bill, and even groceries. If a standard of living is not reflected in the records, that’s helpful evidence. That sort of investigation has more layers, and one that would be quite difficult for the NCAA.

Larry Brown is a broker. An arranger. A middle man.

Yet, there is no knowledge of any inducements provided by third parties.

@Kcmatt7 Bank records of course only document what is deposited and withdrawn, not cash that is not deposited as we know. Hard to believe this dude put it in the bank. If I'm the investigator, bank records don't mean much in this situation when looking for wrongdoing -- meaning the absence of the transaction is of little value. Of course, bank records can hurt, too, if money was deposited. There it would be value, but not what you're assuming. I guess my point is if there was no transaction(s), and investigator, that wouldn't mean anything to me.

@BeddieKU23 We know this dude is a snake. My question is whether Silvio would just be flat ineligible. If not, give us a suspension. What other info is need. Heck, if I were KU, I'd ask the NCAA to assume he got the UA money and the $2500, and then tell me the suspension and conditions (payback or whatever) and be done with it. If he's just determined ineligible in with those facts, then I'd want to know that too.

Maybe they have .. that makes more sense to me. Coming up with the $22,500 could be the issue. I don't know. I'd chip in a grand to help pay it back -- but then I'd get a fraud charge, right? But only if the prosecutor deems it important enough to charge.

Garrett really did play well, I thought. Somehow I don't throw up when Self says that (like I did when he referenced JT in those situations -- as if we weren't watching the game).

Could Udoka really have been the potg? Meaning, that due to his absence we played better as a team?

God how I want DeSousa eligible. I'm beginning to believe that in order of importance, 1) DeSousa being eligible to play and 2) Grimes moving to his potential are the two biggest items for a national title.

Am I wrong in believing that I'd rather have DeSousa than Udoka?

I'm confused.

@JayHawkFanToo Doke is killer against the right teams. I have a question then .. if Doke is perfect against some, and ineffective against others, should we not then adjust our lineup accordingly (if there is a reasonable alternative)? In fact, I was thinking about this exact topic earlier in the year. Times when Doke on the floor was a handicap. I do think he's more of a benefit than a detriment, generally, particularly because getting it inside with this team is the best "first" option, given our not so whippy three point shooting. Dedric and DeSousa on the floor together (now, a bit irrelevant) would be killer. Again, irrelevant.

But am I wrong or right ... Does Dedric play better with Doke on the bench? Sure seems that way to me. I think Dedric and DeSousa would be great compliments to one another, particularly given Dedric's passing, which would be much more effective with a mobile big.

I guess I think that given our roster, and maybe until Grimes starts drilling threes, we have to use Doke. Maybe McCormack can be that more mobile big that's a better compliment to Dedric.

Clearly, last night we played a bit faster than we normally do with Doke, in the at nice second half run. We just looked better.

@JayHawkFanToo I appreciate your moderation.

@JayHawkFanToo Your cited quote shows nothing. In fact, Self has used that phrase many times. And further, he has berated the idea of relying on shooting. That's the main point -- he was disgusted with the idea of relying on shooting. Now, of course, that's different. And that was different over the past few years when he changed, and he specifically did rely on shooting.

This is not a difference of opinion. When the son rises in the east, it's not an opinion to suggest it rises in the west. The entire issue with "fool's gold" and how foolish the comment was, related to playing to our strength. The items Self admitted the next year, that I quoted. Again, Self admitted it. Self admitted that he was misguided in not playing to his strength. He recognized his error. Regardless of the team's strength, he wanted it pumped inside. That's foolishness. It's not foolishness, for example, when your strength is scoring inside and you don't shoot well from three (kind of like this season). Shooting from outside is not fool's gold on a team that has that skill as it's primary offensive strength. Again, Self evolved to an obviously different position. Heck, and don't forget, he now loves the 4/1.

The issue is not whether a team has to have some sort of balance. Of course. Every team does. In the fool's gold period we lived in, it was Self's rigid hostility toward the concept of relying on three point shooting as your primary offensive weapon.

Self changed. Perhaps you can now recognized the obvious (again with Self's admissions) and dispense with the revisionist history.

@JayHawkFanToo Are you kidding me? The Fool's Gold comment was not taken out of context. You are flat making that up. We lived it. We listened to it. That's a bunch of revisionist history. It's completely false. And it's all done now, and said now, to try to explain away Self's prior irrational inflexibility. He said it multiple times. In fact, at halftime of the Utah game at Sprint center he berated the team for outside shooting in an interview. December 13, 2014. We proceeded to come out and tried to force it inside, only to blow a 20 point lead and almost lose. That was near the height of the foolishness. That season was a disaster because coach Self continued to try to make Kansas into something they weren't.

Self actively worked to limit three point shooting. He gyrated. He flopped around on the bench. He pulled players regularly.

We don't see any of that anymore related to three point shooting. None of it.

And Bill Self admitted that he forced his team to be something it wasn't. And Self admitted he was wrong.

Many here pointed out this irrationality as it happened. Of course, we hated coach Self, or thought we were better coaches, right?

Now, of course, we see a different coach Self. He changed. We were right, Self was wrong. Dead wrong. He was two or three season's behind the curve.

Self's point with the Fool's Gold comment was never about balance. His point was that reliable offense was close to the hoop. Feed it inside.

Any other claimed explanation is false and again, revisionist history.

After the Texas Tech game in February of 2015, Self's point was that we couldn't shoot a high percentage from three point range. This was following a loss at OSU when we shot 10 of 20 from the three. Remember? The three point shot was to blame. It was not reliable offense. These complaints were when we were in a stretch shooting 40+% from three.

Jam it inside, jam it inside. Score close to the basket. That was Self's mantra.

His mantra as NOT adjusting to the strengths of his team. It as jam it inside.

And as we've learned, our team can and did shoot 40+% from three.

Anyone remember Self''s quotes, and his regrets about his irrationality? How quickly we forget. From December/2015. A year later.

Bill Self - “I do think we need to shoot a higher percentage of threes. I do think we need to play to our strength, which is shooting the basketball.”

Bill Self - “Last year, we kept trying to force it to become something we probably weren’t.”

Self was wrong. Many of us were right.

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@drgnslayr Do you see Doke's shooting form? It's still horrible. He's shooting 41%. Seriously, most of us could hit 41% using our non-shooting hand. I can't even fathom this. I bet he could do better doing a baby hook like he does in the lane. He has better touch that way.

I don't think for a minute that Self is conceding three pointers, but in all defenses, there are priorities. And those priorities (and the weaknesses) are exacerbated when the talent level (mental too) is lower on that end of the floor. But the horrible defense vs. Nova causes me concern regarding those priorities.

@Kcmatt7 said, " I really expected Bill to funnel opponents to the middle and dare them to shoot over Doke and Dedric this season." I expected that too.

@JayHawkFanToo Everything is the players not doing what Self says to do. It's never Bill Self. Gotcha. You know, because Bill Self never makes errors or mistakes. You need to concede that Self's errors may be contributing here -- "may be." Just concede that it's in realm of possibility.

Now, I'm more in the camp that the team needs time to gel. And learn to work together. And that Grimes is a huge part of reaching our peak. This is a work in progress -- still, there's the Nova game. And that this has been going on for a while.

So I made this suggestion last week. Immediately heard from the short-sighted and dreadfully negative naysayers.

Forget that.

And remember, the only reason this doesn't happen is because of the tired, worn out, and ridiculous bowl system. Meaningless exhibitions.

Imagine -- The 24 team playoff begins NOW.

Top 8 teams get a bye and play a home game to start, and higher seeded teams host the round of 8. Power 5 conference winners get automatic bye, plus the next three best teams. Use the same CFP formula and rankings.

Major motivation to get a bye. Major reward for winning a conference title.

Major motivation to play at home in first round. Major motivation to get into the playoff.

More money than we can imagine.

Heading into the last couple of weeks, teams as low as #50-60 may be in the mix winning their last two games.

Since the 5 power conference winners get automatic byes, UCF was ranked #8 and Washington #9 in the college football playoff poll, but because Washington won its conference, they get the bye and flip spots with UCF. Next best 3 teams get byes. Again, huge, huge motivation for large numbers of teams -- the "every game means something" thing.

1 Alabama

2 Clemson

3 Notre Dame

4 Oklahoma

5 Georgia

6 Ohio St.

7 Michigan

8 Washington*

Games played on Tuesday, Dec. 11; Wednesday Dec. 12; and Thursday, Dec. 13.

24 Iowa St. @ #9 UCF*

23 Missouri @ #10 Florida

22 Northwestern @ #11 LSU

21 Fresno St. @ #12 Penn St.

20 Syracuse @ #13 Washington St.

19 Texas AM @ #14 Kentucky

18 Miss St. @ #15 Texas

17 Utah @ #16 West Virginia

Now, every game might mean something.

Format can either be to have true bracket form, or have worst winner in first round play best remaining team. I prefer true bracket form.

So lets assume ISU, Missouri, LSU, PSU, WSU, Texas AM, Texas, WVU win. Remember, pure bracket form so even though ISU is #24, they'll go to #8 Washington -- with a real shot at winning.

Round of 16 starts the weekend of Dec. 28. Better seed is the home team until the Final Four. The Final Four and National Championship at Neutral sites as currently done.

Top Half Of Bracket

16 West Virginia @ #1 Alabama

24 Iowa St. @ #8 Washington

12 Penn St. @ #5 Georgia

13 Washington St. @ #4 Oklahoma

Bottom Half Of Bracket

19 Texas AM @ #3 Notre Dame

11 LSU @ #6 Ohio St.

23 Missouri @ #7 Michigan

15 Texas @ #2 Clemson

This is how a true champion is decided. A real tournament.

You think ISU might have a chance at Washington? Or that OU might be sweating WSU? Or that ND might be a bit concerned with LSU looming? How might Michigan match up vs. Clemson -- if Clemson survives Texas? And what injuries could occur that might throw a wrench in everything?

Can you imagine if Les Miles came in and KU snuck into this thing come year three? KU #23 @ #10 (insert the opponent). Wow.

Or we can make it our season's goal to play in the Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl.

@JayHawkFanToo Zzzzzzzzzzz. You're too easy to debate with.

So your argument is a team becoming embarrassing eligible for a crap exhibition at 6-6, or bumping up from the Foster Farmers Bowl at 41% capacity in attendance to the Camping World Bowl with 57% attendance? Master debater. Every game matters. Or "many" games mattered. Or maybe some games mattered. Awesome.

All to argue and fuss so boisterously against determining a real champion. Enjoy your Dickies American Airlines 60% full bowl (I made that one up .. hard to tell) D-I CFB is a joke.

Now, about that signing bonus for Miles that he was undoubtedly going to get ...

I about said "be patient, more info may change it up for the better as the season moves on" -- until I say what Nate Silver said.