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Oklahoma may not be done for CFB • Nov 27, 2018 08:59 PM

@JayHawkFanToo You do realize what you said, right? I don't think you do. But once you read what I post, you'll have another shifting explanation.

You said, " ... but, to make it to the football playoffs, any more than one loss and you are practically eliminated from contention so every game throughout the season matters to those team with a realistic chance to being the champion."

Did you figure it out?

I'll help -- you just said that any more than one loss "practically eliminated" the teams from championship contention.

So, obviously, the games for such teams that get that second loss are irrelevant. That is, every game doesn't means something. In fact, after two losses, the games really mean nothing -- which you just admitted.

Now, while I'm sure you'll try to double-talk again -- let's review:

Your first point I responded to was where you correctly referenced the few meaningful games this past season.

Then, after my response noting the same, you cited bowl games saying, "Way to take my words out of context. I mentioned those few teams only because they were/are directly involved in the 4 team playoff race. Many other games also mattered because they determined bowl eligibility or candidacy to a better bowl."

Then you now shift back and say, "Yes, I know what we both were writing and every game that included playoffs contenders absolutely mattered."

So, predicted response -- "But, but bowls matter. They really do. That's what I mean."

If that's what you now mean, that bowls matter, then shout that loud and proud -- because the half empty stadiums your refer to in falsely suggesting that early round playoffs would suffer, are exactly what you see in most bowls (actually, many are in the 50-60ish% range).

Good grief.

More on stupid bowls: https://www.golfdigest.com/story/a-brief-history-of-the-most-absurd-college-football-bowl-game-names ↗

The Time has Come • Nov 27, 2018 02:50 PM

@JayHawkFanToo Explain to me the nuances of the conditioning you refer to. And then relate it to the number days and time off that NFL players get during the season. I'm sure you know.

@approxinfinity The sport is punishing, true. There is no magical number of reasonableness. This has nothing to do with compensation. But I know there is this desire to make everything about compensation.

Look, I don't really care whether anyone likes the idea. The point is that four teams is a joke. It's not a "champion." And it's indisputable that the champions of team sports in nearly all instances are determined in a tourney format. In this joke of a system, the team that won a power 5 conference, and many times two such teams, are excluded from even playing for the title.

All to protect crappy exhibition games (bowls).

Oklahoma may not be done for CFB • Nov 27, 2018 02:39 PM

@JayHawkFanToo You could say the game between the worst teams "mattered" because it might lead to more donations. You know what you were referring to, and you know what I was referring to -- determining a champion. You didn't mention bowls. You mentioned title contenders and those games. There was no out of context, or anything like that.

@wissox Bingo. The real reason why we don't have a playoff. The bowls. Sounds rational, huh? All other reasons not to have a playoff are bogus. It's to protect the bowl system.

The Time has Come • Nov 27, 2018 01:50 PM

@JayHawkFanToo The NCAA tourney is neutral site of course. All games early are on home fields. Nothing rational in thinking a home stadium wouldn't be near full for a CFB playoff game.

@approxinfinity What physical grind? NFL plays 20 games + playoffs. Disruptive to what? There is nothing to disrupt in January. An easy game to nix is the conference title games. Season's over. Then 16 teams play one game. Then some weeks off, and the playoff starts in January.

The Time has Come • Nov 26, 2018 09:47 PM

@JayHawkFanToo You say "can't." Some say "can."

How anyone can say that the public would not go crazy over such a playoff is living in a dark cave. Just a silly blanket statement to make. No audience? Right, let's tune in to the Poulan Weedeater O'Doul's Shake My Weiner bowl. Large interest there.

If KU sneaks in as the 23 seed, wins a very winnable game at the 18 seed, and then gets a chance to play a top team, my bet is you're gushing crimson and blue.

Oklahoma may not be done for CFB • Nov 26, 2018 09:43 PM

@JayHawkFanToo As opposed to all of the other games in CFB? You cited four or five games from last weekend. As I said, "other than a few." That's all. How many CFB teams played this last weekend? All 130? 65 games and four or five meant something? And those were the only games that arguably mattered. That's it.

In a 24 team playoff, the max games is not 8, it's a max 5 games for the 8 lowest teams, and a max 4 for the rest. D-III has a 32 team playoff, D-II has a 28 team playoff. See the link below.

The entire month of January could be the playoff month. They could play the first four games (8 teams prior to the holiday, seeds 17-24), then the 16 teams remaining have a playoff starting the weekend of New Years (basically when the semi-final is now).

https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/football/d3/2018 ↗

The Time has Come • Nov 26, 2018 05:29 PM

And here's the best option in my opinion that I posted on another thread, in response to @Kcmatt7


@Kcmatt7 Did any game really matter this past weekend other than a few? You want to make every game matter, go to a 24 team playoff.

Top 8 get byes -- Five conference winners, top non-power 5 team, and next two best by committee determination.

The other 16 play, with the better seeded teams getting home field. The winners then play the top 8, on the top 8's home field.

Huge incentive for every team to play hard and win. Winning the conference is huge. Getting a bye huge. Getting to a 9-16 seed and a home game is huge. Getting in to the tourney 17-24 is huge.

This would be heaven.

And that is how you determine the "champion". Not the "best" @dylans. There's a difference. A champion is what we're looking for, and fighting through a tourney format is how that is accomplished. Not gifting teams the right to play for a title.

Oklahoma may not be done for CFB • Nov 26, 2018 05:27 PM

@Kcmatt7 Did any game really matter this past weekend other than a few? You want to make every game matter, go to a 24 team playoff.

Top 8 get byes -- Five conference winners, top non-power 5 team, and next two best by committee determination.

The other 16 play, with the better seeded teams getting home field. The winners then play the top 8, on the top 8's home field.

Huge incentive for every team to play hard and win. Winning the conference is huge. Getting a bye huge. Getting to a 9-16 seed and a home game is huge. Getting in to the tourney 17-24 is huge.

This would be heaven.

And that is how you determine the "champion". Not the "best" @dylans. There's a difference. A champion is what we're looking for, and fighting through a tourney format is how that is accomplished. Not gifting teams the right to play for a title.

The Time has Come • Nov 26, 2018 05:16 PM

@Dylans Historically, everywhere, in nearly every team sport, the ultimate champion is determined by a real playoff -- except D-1 football. D-II, III, NAIA use a full playoff. High schools do a large tourney format that includes every team (in Kansas, for ex.). The four spots are determined subjectively. The more spots, the less subjectivity matters. The NCAA tourney is masterpiece of competition. It does what the CFB fails to do -- test teams under high pressure to determine a champion.

Some confuse being a "champion" with having the best team. Being a champion is much different.

Without having their mettle tested in a real tourney format, there is no real champion. It's a joke.

The Time has Come • Nov 26, 2018 03:11 AM

@Texas-Hawk-10 I’m really not sure of the point of reciting Info I can read on Wikipedia. Point is that the SEC gets every benefit of the doubt over others, as in 2007, and teams that are excluded from the process could win in a real playoff.

The Time has Come • Nov 26, 2018 01:34 AM

Just an opinion here, appreciate the discussion topic. But my opinion is that rebranding is superficial. It changes nothing. I don't know, the Big 10 has 14 teams. Rebrand that? It would just be creating a stupid name. What name? It's like the KU football uniforms/helmets. All of the changing around each week is stupid and dilutes our brand. I don't even know what our football uniform is supposed to look like. Have an identity. Stick to it. What does a new name actually do? While many people are not that bright, I doubt a superficial change of name makes anyone think anything more or less of our teams and programs. The better way to sell all college sports is tradition and history, and a focus on the emotional tie to one's school for a lifetime. But what do I know? Mangino seemed to win just fine with one road look, and one home look.

@approxinfinity The team with the best chance of a title in CFB/CBB is KU in CBB. CFB is a joke, a fake playoff. SEC teams get the built in advantage of everyone presupposing the conference is better, so one loss teams get a pass (even if true, that's a fixed bet when there are only 4 teams). I can't see any Big 12 team making a dent in football until there's an expansion to a true playoff of 16 teams. The SEC has a stranglehold on this whole deal. Heck, even when there was just a two team playoff LSU got in with two losses (Les would remember).

Oklahoma may not be done for CFB • Nov 25, 2018 05:59 PM

I really wish CFB wasn't a joke, but it is. No real playoff. Every game doesn't matter. Very few matter at all. And reputation gets you everything. In CBB, it just gets you an extra seeding line.

Thanksgiving leftovers. • Nov 24, 2018 01:21 PM

One quote kind of says it all — “I’ll take more Moore when he’s under control, and less Moore when he’s not. He made some clutch shots last night and missed some clutch shots when he shouldn’t have been taking a clutch shot.”

Tyshawn-esque without the physical gifts.

Bill Self Playing Favorites • Nov 24, 2018 01:12 PM

Charlie Moore reminds me a little of Tyshawn in his apparent insistence on shooting the ball despite the obvious imprudence of such acts. And KJ does look like a “hot mess” — nice quote @jayhawkcsg. But he was key to winning. And I do love the irony of not having Garrett — does Garrett score KJ’s 8 points? Does Moore play as much? Does Garrett prevent some scoring from TN?

But we won, with both playing big minutes. With Udoka somewhat irrelevant. Just an excellent team effort.

Last night was a game, I think, that DeSousa would have made a huge difference. The type of matchup where he would have changed the complexion of the game.

@Gorilla72 I think you’re exactly right. Many times guys struggle offensively when getting to college because other teams play excellent team defense. Team offense is designed to combat good team defense.

Maybe I’m wrong, but I see a more complete player as a freshman with Grimes than I did with Selden (who seems to be a good comparison player). I do think it is simply making the adjustment to the college game where real defense is played. Sometimes a lot of things get jammed into guys’ heads by Coach Self and it takes some time to start playing and not thinking. Things it takes for the team to succeed. All things we’ve heard before. Guys have to persevere.

Selden seemed like a work in progress for quite a while. It took Oubre some time too. Newman was completely out of sync until well into the second half of the season. All three NBA level talent. I think Grimes will get it to click.

By the end of the season, none of us should be surprised if Grimes is our best all around player, just as we had imagined. I actually think it will happen much quicker with Grimes. He’s got a lot of good things in the tool box. Maybe more than the other three I mentioned. The struggle is many times a good thing.

KU wins by 9. No problem.

Bill Self Playing Favorites • Nov 23, 2018 06:49 PM

@mayjay What you are describing is a player in Traylor that had probably peaked. We all have a ceiling. When looking at Traylor's four seasons, it seems apparent that his sophomore season was the peak or perhaps a touch of overachievement. He was simply a bad basketball player. His junior season was just awful. His senior season was worse. By then, Self finally realized the harm Traylor was causing. Playing Traylor, and even having him on the roster, was a mistake. With Garrett, it is premature. But the skill set of shooting .. one you can analyze quite a bit by what you see .. is a struggle. Hard to see that materializing. But Aaron Miles shot 50% from 3 his senior year. Things can change. But such a shift is huge exception.

@Bosthawk Right, scoring is one element. And my judgment of those three players (Traylor, Lucas, Brady) was in part due to their lack of scoring. Just part. Lucas was the one where the lack of scoring was the biggest focus. Traylor was trainwreck in all aspects except for blocks coming from off the ball. That's all he was good at. And he was bad at everything else. Further, as a purported energy guy, he was lazy and loafed down the court a lot of the time. Brady was just slow and overmatched. The complaint with Brady wasn't scoring. It was that against higher talent, he was unable to function effectively both offensively and defensively. His excellent post-feeding ability made him a Self favorite in his cram the post offense. Lucas was an excellent rebounder, a smart rebounder that used positioning well. But he gave us zero rim protection in the middle. And couldn't defend above average players in the post. And couldn't jump. But his inability to offer much of anything offensively beyond being able to sometimes make open looks was a critical flaw. And we really needed something significant in the middle in two straight tourney losses where Lucas was run out there. He got the most out of what he had I think, as did Brady. Traylor, I view differently. Watching him as much as I did, I can't get over the laziness I saw. And I still can't fathom how the guy played for KU. So it wasn't all scoring.

Bill Self Playing Favorites • Nov 22, 2018 04:18 PM

Here's the thing. This is a two part issue -- Micro and Macro.

The unassailable truth. The micro. Self benched Grimes. We were down. We looked bad. Then, starting Garrett, we went on 22-0 run and blew the doors off of Marquette. So looking at this from just the game last night, how can we question that decision? Of course, we don't know if starting Grimes would have rendered the same result. But that's not really fair to look at a single game that way. All that matters in a single-game analysis is the score. And that cuts both ways. When we lose, those sort of decisions fall on Self as well. I have no issues with how we won last night. We won.

Where I think @BShark is dead on here is the macro. The big picture here is Self's unfortunate (and also unassailable) history of reverting to lower tier players, and getting comfortable with them. Not permitting them to play through mistakes. The end result is also the best judge. And in every instance he has done this, big picture, our season has ended prematurely. Relying on the likes of B-Star, Traylor, and Lucas were ridiculous decisions given the alternatives. Again, we judge on results. I always chuckle about this stuff because we called it at the time. With Lucas, our most recent and unfortunate example, relying on a low talent big, bumping his ceiling, never sniffs the NBA -- it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that when you rely on those kinds of players against higher tier talent, like you will see in the NCAA tourney, you're chances of losing such a match skyrocket. But we had folks here actually wanting to debate that point, even after the fact, when the future was already predicted for them -- on more than one occasion.

Heck, we whined for years about Self not adapting his system to his talent. We wanted more threes. We discussed 4/1. We cringed at force-feeding the post. I flat imploded after a game at Sprint Center (I think Utah) where we drilled threes, got to a 20 point lead, and then Self at halftime castigated Perry Ellis and his team for shooting threes (fools gold -- ah, seems a long time ago). Self certainly wasn't embracing where the CBB game was going. The Self lackeys screamed, called names, accused some of not being fans (the "I'm more of a fan than you" tripe) -- still laughable. Of course, now Self does exactly what we discussed. In fact, he embraces it. Guess what? This is unassailable. Self was wrong for a long time OR now he's right. Can't have it both ways. The answer, by the way, is that he's correct now.

Well, @BShark is predicting the future right now for you. So listen up. We've been here before. If we rely on a guy like Garrett in certain matchups, he'll kill our season. Just like the B-Stars, and Traylors, and Lucases of nightmare's past. Very importantly, his defense is not "lock down", and certainly not good enough in the big picture to take the incredible hit offensively. The sheer incompetence offensively is not manageable.

However, Garrett can certainly be useful, situationally. Like last night.

But here's my take on this. Self knows. He knows good and well that having Garrett regularly play 28 minutes will not allow this team to get to the Final Four. Like a road block. Garrett is showing significant signs of a very low offensive ceiling. We can be confident that Self knows. So we can avoid panic mode.

Bill Self did not start Garrett. He started B-Star, he started Lucas, he started Traylor. All the freaking time. And he insisted on playing them in all situations. Go-to guys. I'm very certain that Garrett is not going to be a go-to guy in all situations.

Bill Self has started Grimes. He knows Grimes is one of our necessary tickets to the Final Four. And to have a chance to win it all, he's got to be a main cog. A big piece. But as @Kcmatt7 said, last night was on Grimes. Heck, actually, I thought it was brilliant and gutsy to come out with Garrett. In the past, I'd have thought differently. Why? Because I think Bill Self has changed quite a bit. I always like to point this out, but we don't see the missed three point shot flopping around on the bench anymore. He's in a different place.

And I've said this before, but I think it bears repeating. When we wanted Self to change, it was not about anyone allegedly being "smarter" than Bill Self. It was about Bill Self knowing, as a leader, that his way is the right way. Self being confident in that. His way or the highway. Many great leaders get to their pinnacle that way. Self was one. He didn't get to where he was by adapting. He got to where he was by knowing the path. That makes it hard for coaches to change. Hard for any leader to change. But he has. Think about the evolution of the game in the past 10 years. I think it's much harder for a guy in Self's position to change than one might think. He's got more at stake. We can all say, "shoot more three pointers", but when the guy won a NC one way, I think it's reasonable to see a resistance to changing from that blueprint. But he has.

I have great faith that Garrett will not be this season's personnel disaster. And I have great faith that Self knows that without Grimes playing well and playing big minutes, this team is not a Final Four team. In the past, I would have sheer dread about future playing time. Now, I firmly believe that Bill Self is a different coach than he was in the past. @BShark can relax a bit.

As an aside, we know that the narrative on Garrett might change. He could make a big leap at some point. His offensive play could really improve I guess. There is that possibility. It just doesn't look much like anything near a probability at this point offensively, and there's nothing that indicates any real hope from what we've seen.

The obvious point is that Grimes' skill level is NBA quality. Much better to bank on that development, minutes-wise, than Garrett.

I will note -- and thank you @wissox -- we have our first "enjoy the ride" suggestion, and just four games in.

Marquette? KU lose to Marquette? Vermont is better than Marquette — maybe. In this early window, when our chemistry is not yet formed, we are always at risk.

FBI...here we go • Nov 19, 2018 07:25 PM

@Kcmatt7 Trust me, I understand your concept. Paying to make it go away is not something unique. If there is legal claim, you try to get it dismissed prior to paying millions. And if there are other snakes that can come out of the cracks wanting money, you just don't pay millions. It requires a bit more thought than just pay "a few million dollars."

FBI...here we go • Nov 19, 2018 04:46 PM

@Kcmatt7 Glad you're not a lawyer.

FBI...here we go • Nov 19, 2018 04:27 PM

@Kcmatt7 Ok, then who else do you pay ... again. Others? Preston? He didn't get to play. That quick advice should be reconsidered.

This lawsuit might not survive a motion to dismiss.

But it should concern everyone here. Don't just brush it off. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, and I believe this firmly, there is a real chance Bill Self is not here next year as a result of all of this mess. This sort of stuff, where folks can be deposed, is concerning.

MILES IS NEW COACH • Nov 19, 2018 02:34 PM

Nothing particularly against Bowen, but cleaning house means cleaning house. Clean house. A new day.

MILES IS NEW COACH • Nov 18, 2018 11:38 PM

BShark said:

HighEliteMajor said:

Someone knows how to win.

Did you hear what he said about minimizing possessions when you are at a talent disadvantage? :)

@BShark Hmmm. Imagine that. My kind of coach.

MILES IS NEW COACH • Nov 18, 2018 11:20 PM

Someone knows how to win.

Other Games Tonight • Nov 18, 2018 02:03 PM

@BShark A NC the prior year should give the coach a complete pass for the next season in my eyes.

@kjayhawks Self sat Bragg, Alexander and Diallo all for significant periods of time, all being relegated to irrelevance at times. Oubre took a while to actually become a regular starter.

Other Games Tonight • Nov 18, 2018 03:36 AM

@BShark I’d take a NC and missing the tourney the next season. No hesitation.

Other Games Tonight • Nov 18, 2018 02:10 AM

Hmmm. I'd take losing to Furman with a shiny NCAA title ring on the finger from last season. No doubt.

KU Is Not Even A Top 25 Team • Nov 17, 2018 06:02 PM

Me thinks the concern is premature. Two freshmen playing the 1-2 spots. Pretty important. And Dedric playing for the first time next to a monster, and in a concept, he's never played in before. We were 4/1 all last season.

I truly have zero concerns right now.

This is all really a chemistry thing and folks finding their roles, adapting the Self's requirements, etc. He's starting the best players. It just needs a little time.

That's not saying I won' be concerned in late January if our character doesn't change.

The Next Coach • Nov 17, 2018 05:47 PM

@JayHawkFanToo I'm sorry, I just don't think you're tracking. If he wanted to, he could sit on his butt and get $6.5 million. He didn't want to sit on his butt.

So, he gets $1.5 million and a contract of likely 5 years, $3.5 million per year. Or $17.5. million guaranteed. His LSU deal would have paid him another $5 million by 2023. Or a total of $6.5 by 2023.

He would be owed by KU that full $17.5 million by close of 2023 under this scenario. So he gets the $5 million he left at LSU plus an additional $12.5, plus the $1.5 million for closing the LSU deal.

This is not "hard to tell." This concept happens all the time with coaches. The numbers just change with each deal.

Defending the 3 • Nov 17, 2018 05:00 PM

Self's comments regarding Udoka completely ignores the bigger issue (he may have commented, though, and it didn't make the story). And it has nothing to do with an opponent's attempts. We can't put a complete curtain around the perimeter. As their coach said, their game plan was more attempts.

The issue is the quality of the three point attempts. The open nature of the attempts.

Sound familiar? Villanova?

Defending the 3 • Nov 17, 2018 03:17 PM

@stoptheflop One easy answer is the fact that we start two freshmen on the perimeter, together with a guy not widely renowned for his defensive prowess. A guy off the bench, Moore, doesn't appear to be a plus defender. Garrett, while a good defender, isn't a Releford, for example.

But defending the perimeter is more about knowing where to be vs. being a "lockdown" guy. Good angles from the ball. Knowing whether the angle creates a step-in or a bounce. It also requires other guys to be in the right position when reaction to the perimeter leaves the defender susceptible to the drive.

Another answer might be priority, though I didn't watch the game looking for this. So I can't say that this is something I've seen. But when it comes to defense, every priority creates a weakness. You defend in, you're weaker out. You double the post, you leave one man open. You focus on stopping drives to the hoop, the kick-out is more available. You usually can't be good at everything like the 2012 team was defensively. You're always compromising something when you make a particular area the focus. One thing I always like about having a rim protector (the Withey kind), is that it allows you greater leeway in aggressively defending other areas of the floor. The lack of a face up shot blocker (not the off-ball kind -- Mitch is an example) requires more effort, team-wise, to protect the rim.

That said, one would think that Udoka's presence would offer us that benefit to a decent degree.

I think the easiest answer is probably true, we have some inexperience on the perimeter coupled with Vick.

@mayjay The rate of threes was the issue last night. The issue that was apparent were the looks, not the makes. They shot 36 times from three point range and many of them were dead open. It seemed like most of them (obviously overstating). 50% of the shots from three, seemed, at best lightly contested. That 33% change a bit, it's a different game. And the 33% is exactly equal to what would have been scored shooting those same shots from 2, and making 50%. You're right, very hard to quantify good three point defense. But I think the eye test is best. Are they getting relatively open looks? Whether they make them is up to them -- we just know that there will be teams that hit more open looks.

I'd rather defend the arc more aggressively because the downside from three is more than the downside inside the arc, and you have the ability offensively to outpace two point baskets.

The Next Coach • Nov 17, 2018 12:27 AM

@JayHawkFanToo No, you miss the point. You said he took a big cut and thus he would get a big signing bonus. I said that is not needed.

Of course he has to work. And he obviously wants to work. So he gets what he wants.

But that isn’t the point. He is in a better position. He will get a guaranteed deal that far exceeds what he was guaranteed before. So the contract replaces what he gave up and more. Plus he got $1.5 million essentially for free.

Poor Silvio • Nov 16, 2018 07:07 PM

@mayjay I think the lack of significant connection with Adidas is perfect logic. I think you're right on there. They weren't our agent since Self has said we have no knowledge. They were acting in their self interest, as a private company, and not on behalf of the university. While I think that's obviously enough to make the kid ineligible or subject to suspension (the receipt of money, guardian or otherwise), that should have zero to do with Kansas (of course, unless ... you know).

Here's a link on the BYU deal if anyone is interested.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/byu-basketball-program-penalized-by-ncaa-will-vacate-wins-after-current-player-received-extra-benefits/ ↗

Poor Silvio • Nov 16, 2018 03:34 PM

@mayjay Most interesting in the BYU deal is the somewhat analogous situation. There was was no info to suggest the coaches or the school knew. Paid by a third party supporter of the program.

The Next Coach • Nov 16, 2018 01:16 PM

@JayHawkFanToo Could be. But if KU signs him to a long term guaranteed deal, that long term deal just replaces what he had coming anyway with LSU (plus more), and he gets to coach. But he also gains $1.5 million.

By the terms of the buyout, it was pretty obvious that LSU had some leverage. They knew he wanted to coach and saved $4 million or so. Miles loses nothing even without an up front payment and gets $1.5 million.

New 2019 Recruiting • Nov 15, 2018 11:16 PM

I was kind of seeing the spring cupboard as somewhat bare.

Hope -- we get Matthew Hurt and a helpful grad transfer. We'll likely lose Dedric, Doke, Grimes, Vick -- uh, pretty much our whole starting lineup.

Dotson, Moore, Garrett, Mitch, McCormack. Right?

Poor Silvio • Nov 15, 2018 10:51 PM

@JayHawkFanToo Ok .. I'm sure there's a paypal or venmo transaction in there somewhere, too. Still puzzled how a guardian escapes prosecution. If they're prosecuting, they need to target all participants. He's as much a conspirator of this non-crime (editorializing) as any of them.

Poor Silvio • Nov 15, 2018 08:31 PM

@JayHawkFanToo By my count, it's up to $82,500 -- $60,000 from a booster, $20,000 from UA, and $2,500 from Adidas.

@Crimsonorblue22 I think he could take legal action if he was 1) a minor when this occurred, or 2) if it was done completely without his knowledge. He'd sue the guardian on a breach of fiduciary duty claim for one. But that won't happen.

Poor Silvio • Nov 15, 2018 04:22 PM

@BeddieKU23 Assuming that there is no evidence that Self or KT conspired in paying Silvio's guardian, why would Self or KT be suspended? Or are you talking about the current information warranting suspension more broadly (outside of Silvio)?

With Silvio, there is no real denial now from his camp.

We have evidence that Silvio's guardian was paid by UA and then some cash apparently from Adidas. That compromises eligibility of course, which could compromise our season if he plays (if it's not already compromised).

On the other hand, because as Self said, integrity is very important (a "fundamental role" as the coach) -- if there is that evidence regarding Silvio, or with any other player, I agree completely on coaches being suspended.

And I completely agree that I feel sorry for the kid. He has responsibility, of course, but it's a tangled web.

Other Games Tonight • Nov 15, 2018 03:23 PM

@JayHawkFanToo And, interestingly, both are on our schedule.

Bill Self Just Played a McDAA • Nov 14, 2018 11:22 PM

With Garrett, we don't a have small sample size. We have last season and what we can see this season -- one element that sticks out, horrible shooting. Low PER. But the low PER thing his freshman year is far less important than the apparent lack of improvement on his outside shot. We've had two exhibitions, and two regular season games. I'm not seeing misses as being concerning, I'm seeing how it looks as concerning. But not worth panic. @Kubie - He's 4-4 (both games) at the line now this season. Kind of perfect.

New 2019 Recruiting • Nov 14, 2018 08:52 PM

Not an OAD fan, but not a big fan of 100+ guys either. On the other hand, it's obvious why we're in this position. So I don't think anyone will really complain. Hope not.

The Next Coach • Nov 14, 2018 06:32 PM

@jayballer73 Sold!!

Bill Self Just Played a McDAA • Nov 14, 2018 03:36 AM

@BShark Great topic. I had the same opinion -- the minutes distribution last night was odd. Garrett did get way too many minutes. His "net" is not high end. And McCormack showed in the MSU game what we hoped to see -- potential. Just need to keep giving him opportunities.

However, the "opinion" thing on my end is a bit superficial at this point. I don't think I've got a good enough feel yet to be confident in my opinion, except on Garrett. I just cannot totally accept a guy that plays guard and is a complete brick layer. That is not a complete basketball player. This team, I don't think, can absorb such offensive incompetence. Not when your AA candidate scores 0.

Try this -- Garrett's two game PER is 10.0. Garrett had a team worst 11.3 last season. PER isn't perfect, and it doesn't quantify defense real well. And other great players have had low PERS in their early seasons.

But the issue is his shot. No apparent hope for improvement. We are seeing perhaps the worst shot from a perimeter player ever on a KU team under Self. Ever.

He was supposedly working on it over the summer. It just looks horrible. Has he ever put up a soft shot from beyond eight feet?

Self likes him. He can play some good D. And his other numbers seem ok. There may not be another option, either. But it's hard to watch. If I'm an opposing coach, I just don't guard him much on the perimeter. Remember the havoc defenders caused when they just slacked off of Traylor?

The Next Coach • Nov 13, 2018 10:10 PM

Just pondering. Miles is 65. Why sign up for such a dumpster fire ... unless you have no other options? Which begs the question of whether you want a guy with no other options? But I can't argue with the name and results. Would be a home run on paper. Amazing actually. I expect something like a double, but perhaps back picked over-running second.

If not Miles, I like Jeff Tedford as the next best, and then the two service academy coaches (Army/Air Force). But I will trust Jeff Long and not second guess for a while.

Vick Appreciation Thread • Nov 13, 2018 09:00 PM

Vick returning is huge. Really felt that when it was announced. Nothing better than being humbled to increase focus and motivation.

FBI...here we go • Nov 09, 2018 01:41 AM

Being right doesn't matter when frail emotions are at work. It never has. I chuckle when I think about how many things that the Self is infallible crowd has cried about, only to see Self actually employ the exact strategy that was suggested. Higher volume three point shooting, four out/one in, using an offense that fits the personnel, more ball handling on the floor, playing the best player over experience, giving freshman game minutes so they can develop. Lest we forget. Ah, but the anger continues ...

FBI...here we go • Nov 08, 2018 09:32 PM

@JayHawkFanToo Ok, I understand your thought. But maybe Ayton liked warm weather and $100,000 vs. cold weather and $150,000. Who knows?

@BShark And ....?

FBI...here we go • Nov 08, 2018 09:04 PM

@JayHawkFanToo That is just wildly speculative. You are assuming we would not have been out bid. It would seem, if this narrative is correct, we (Adidas) might have been outbid a lot. Or that a recruit might take say $90,000 to come to KU but might want $120,000 to go to somewhere less appealing. For Williamson, maybe his price for Duke was lower. All speculative, but I sure wouldn't assume we couldn't be out bid.