@Crimsonorblue22 12-3 feasting on cupcakes; 1-4 since.
dylans
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Someone needs a snickers
@Marco Freshman? Able to dunk now (he wasn’t last year). Not super impressive yet; big time name recognition though.
@nuleafjhawk I totally get screwed every other year by college age kids backing out of a work commitment. Most just don’t want to put in the work/time and find something cushier. I just deal with 2-4 per year so if I had 25 sheesh, I’d pull my hair out. Poor Les.
@drgnslayr Not a word I use. To me the more salient point is that words are just air, it’s the intent behind them that’s important. More on point - it’s silly that other word/symbols get hi-jacked like rainbow in his other skit.
nuleafjhawk said:
I am decommitting from kansas and 100% open
At first I was thinking it’s not that bad. Investigation, fight - we’ll get thru this together guy. Then I realized it was a quote. Lol
Ralphie May’s take - no word is the problem, it’s the venom behind them.
More of the same, then makes his defense for Kobe. Funny, but crude.
@jayballer73 Bronny James. LeBron’s kid
Not a 2021 kid, but does Bronny spend any time in college at his current trajectory?
@kjayhawks Oh I did put up cameras after the bucket of peanuts was dumped over the fence. I let them know they were there, so they’d quit more than trying to catch them. I still caught her tearing up my property (police said they would prosecute, handed it off to another district and mothballed it - blue wall crap) and going on a rant about how they lived there first so that makes it ok. I replied what in the world does being here first matter? That doesn’t give you the right to endanger others, besides my family has lived on the block for 5 generations and you just moved here 10 years ago.
Lol, jerks
I love my new neighbors.
approxinfinity said:
I think we should avoid passing the ball to walk on guards and let Doke dribble the ball up with 20 seconds to go.
Lol I had a ptsd moment when Dok was dribbling earlier.
StLJhawk said:
Surprised homey refs didn’t call us
🤫
DanR said:
@DCHawker look at Braun's legs. tree trunks. prob 5% body fat. They guy is a freak and has the stud gene. He can carry it, man.
And he’s got a good mom pushing him too!
@Marco no need tonight. It’s on espn2
Dok can’t play worse offensively, so it should get better. 🤞
@jayballer73 Dok 3 rebs 2 blocks
Yay! Got a point
Just make a basket. Wow 15-0 run
nuleafjhawk said:
@approxinfinity By all means, make life things your priority. Kubuckets is a wonderful thing, but not THE thing.
Sacreligious sucker aren’t we? 😝
@mayjay Thanks. Since they’ve moved everything has been great. The new neighbors are great - never once threatened my kid. Lol apparently that’s too much to ask of some folks.
@approxinfinity If it makes you feel any better my college roommate went to high school with Kobe; he was arrogant then too. Your thoughts mirror mine on his career, but as you said you could see Kobe was just coming into his own. He had an interesting upbringing - spent time overseas too. He had more education than just his HS diploma even though he went pro straight out of HS. I think Kobe was a very intelligent man who had a lot more to offer. This has made me more sad than I thought it could.
@drgnslayr middle class thuggery - My neighbor the gd super intendants wife tried for over a year to kill my kid with peanuts because she knew he was allergic and she was mad at us. -Dumped a bowl of peanut shells over our fence and fed the squirrels so many on a daily basis uneaten peanuts were showing up 2 blocks away. They weren’t used to people standing up to them - he employs many of the women in town (half of a family there, has control over most of the people’s kids (and isn’t afraid to make them miserable to get at the parents) and hires the police force to either work at the school or for him personally to keep them under thumb - Needless to say they aren’t used to people standing up to them. No damn way I back down from someone actively trying to kill my kid. You’d be amazed how many people approached us with stories of the two bulling high school and grade school kids as well as the adults - she (also the student advisor/councilor) told a kid on graduation day “Why did you get bother getting that juco degree? You’ll never amount to anything.” Kid had just graduated HS and had enough college credits to get his Junior college degree and this is how she treats him.
After a few months of posturing and preparing (kids are homeschooled now, built an 8ft fence on the property line, I smile real big when I see him (SI)which pisses him off the most). Like I said they aren’t used to people standing up to them, so they sold their house and moved a few miles away.
Just one trip to the ER by my kid. No blows thrown. No swear words yelled. Thankfully all I had to do was stand my ground and they left. My next option was the nuclear one - the news wanted an interview. I’m glad that didn’t happen as it would’ve killed my career, but I would’ve done it to keep my kid safe. If the world is truly just - karma’s a bitch and they’ll both die slow horrible cancer ridden deaths for all the pain they’ve caused others.
Yes Silvio’s actions where those of a jerk, but that doesn’t make it ok to hit him. Jeez I tell my four year old this crap, you’d think adults would have it figured out.
@Wissox 271 games for Bill 29 for Roy in the current steak so about 1.5 years prior to Self’s arrival. (2001, as stated above, I believe is correct)
Dear Jayhawks,
When I was hired in 2003, part of my message was, “Those places are great, but there's no place like Kansas.” We have been able to accomplish a lot of great things here, but what puts all of it over the top is the support from the Kansas fan base.
Earlier today vs. Tennessee, we celebrated our 300th-consecutive sellout at Allen Fieldhouse. 300! We are so fortunate to have the best fans in the country that come out and support us no matter the time, no matter the weather. I’ve lost count on how many times your impact has been felt by the opposing team throughout my time here, actually, it’s been 271 times. That would be every-single home game that I’ve been the head coach here at KU. It’s simply an amazing accomplishment and all of the credit goes to you.
Here are just a few things that have happened during this streak:
4.89 million: Total number of fans that have attended the games at Allen Fieldhouse
6,626: Number of days since the streak started
285-15: Overall record at Allen Fieldhouse during the streak
130.4: Decibels inside AFH on Feb. 13, 2017 vs. West Virginia, setting a new world record for loudest crowd at an indoor sports arena
69: Consecutive games won at AFH from 2/7/07-1/22/11, a KU and Big 12 record
67: Kansas All-Big 12 selections
27: NBA Draft selections from Kansas
16: Big 12 regular-season titles, including an NCAA-record 14 straight from 2005-18
15: Kansas Consensus All-Americans
8: Undefeated seasons in Allen Fieldhouse
7: Big 12 Player of the Year selections from KU (Gooden, Collison, Simien, Marcus Morris, Robinson, Mason, Graham)
There have been so many memories made during this streak of 300-consecutive sellouts and only you can help by keeping it going for years to come. I cannot thank you enough for how you have helped each of our teams and the impact you have had on the outcome of so many games. Our opponents can feel it when the roar rises to the rafters of Allen Fieldhouse. I still get chills every time I walk onto the court and hear chants of Rock Chalk.
Thanks for making Allen Fieldhouse the best home court advantage in basketball!
Bill Self
The 5 out sux
@jayballer73 The radio ESPN guys think it helps KU - more playing time for shooters Moss and Braun.
@bskeet Hoth brr.
Funny enough, Self actually had his own idea for a music act, but it never got really far.
"Well first of all it’d never be up to me, but I don’t know who it’d be [if I could choose]," Self said. "I actually thought somebody like Darius Rucker. He’d sing all the old stuff and then he’s got a few new hits. And obviously he’s a huge sports fan. That would be somebody I would think about."
@drgnslayr Another false narrative by the media -Bill didn’t want Snoop Dogg. That’s on Long. Bill wanted Darius Rucker (Hootie and the blowfish).
kjayhawks said:
Frozen 🤮, one of my least favorite Disney movies that my kids watch on repeat. Four Brothers has snow it, it’s good. Mystery Alaska is good snow/sports movie.
One of my interns a couple years ago got in trouble (in HS) for punching a kid for spontaneously singing the frozen let it snow song. Lol. I mean -Oh no! boys fighting. End of the world stuff.
@Big-Clyde52 I agree Gordon started it, but it takes two to tango. Plenty of fault all around.
Cliff notes as I see it - KSU instigated with the steal. DeSousa elevated it with the taunting. KSU started the fight when several of them shoved DeSousa down. Bill effectively ended the fight when he grabbed McCormack and DeSousa. Suspensions have been handed out. End of story? Or to be continued in Manhattan?
Fargo
Jack Frost from 97 - horrible movie about a killer snowman. Lol
What no Disney princess movies? How about Frozen?
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.
Game of Thrones?!?
benshawks08 said:
@dylans Studies have shown once you get to a certain point, the more money a person makes generally the less happy that person is. A few years ago the cut off was around 70k. Surveys showed once people made more than that they actually worried more about money than people who didn't have enough. They became tighter with their finances and less likely to give generously which is scientifically the best way to boost happiness.
The happiest people I ever met were in Negril in the late 80s. The average household income at the time was around $1000 per year. The location sure didn’t hurt though lol. It’s become more commercialized lately - more money, but the people seem a bit less happy too.
I have family across the south and Midwest. Both have nice people, but I feel like the Midwest is quicker to accept people. No one in the Midwest cares that my sisters are “daughters of the mayflower” or whatever - doesn’t matter. Both have jerks of all natures as well.
@Crimsonorblue22 sure. I meant vibes/attitude
@mayjay I’ve found the less population the nicer the people are. But you get back what you put off. Also some of the poorest people I know are among the happiest. 🤔
Dick Vitale has doubled down on his position that Silvio should be banned for the season. Hopefully that means he is so disappointed/disgusted in KU he never announces another one of our games!!!
FarmerJayhawk said:
kjayhawks said:
@DanR It’s actually very strange to me how not friendly or even flat out rude people are when I north or east. People in Kansas are generally pretty nice even in the worst cities like Hutchinson or Manhattan lol.
Intra-Kansas fights are amazing. For example I will absolutely die on the hill I’m not from western Kansas. CENTRAL ISNT WESTERN MY GODS
Thank god. Sedgwick county police are the absolute worst in the state.
Maybe a sensitive subject, but I heard the Morris twins being interviewed by Bomonte Jones, I believe. He asked them about the b-ball football player fight. One replied,”It went better than I thought it would.” The host chuckles and retorts, “why did you get in a fight you thought you would go bad?” Morris, “Well there were a LOT of them.” Other Morris, “ Dudes were like 6’5 320lbs.” Bomonte asks,”So what’s her name?!?” Both Morri speak at the same time “I don’t remember, but she ran track...” other Morri - says her name. 😂 😂 😂
@mayjay Very true what he did wasn’t bad. He grabbed Gordon on the peripheral of the fight and held him back. However, Bill from the other side of the court had run into the middle of the scrum and had both Silvio and McCormack by the jersey effectively ending the fight.
What no one sees in this is in the pre-game warmups the entire KU team is on the KSU side - some sit on the bench most are shooting; the entire KSU team is on the KU side doing the same except one player. Love was on the side the KU players were on, talking crap the whole time. Ironically next to a gal in an #unhandme shirt.
@Kcmatt7 I’m ok with the four guard. I’m ok with the right 4 too - Darrell Arthur, Julian Wright, Marcus Morris. You can’t tell me they wouldn’t make this team better. Or a Wiggins/ Jackson type. (as much as Jackson bitched about being played out of position, he sure did better under Bill than in the nba. So was he really out of position for his skill set?)
@BShark project big, Mitch, McCormack. KU needs a 4 more than just any big.
Lol. To each their own. I’m glad more people don’t love it here; I’d have to move if more people stayed.
kjayhawks said:
Also Bruce wasn’t at mid court like he claimed apparently he was in the middle pulling guys out like Self and Co, their are just very sneaky lol.
More on the peripheral
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Squeaky makes it a step further in. (Still rotating pictures and I can’t figure out how to straighten it)
@DanR crazy that a Dukie has the most level headed take. Of course not all of them did, but Bilas isn’t too terrible. 😆 I like him most nights; can’t stand him other nights. 🤷♂️
When you want an opinion or judgment that is absolutely meaningless, consider our opinions on an official's call in a basketball game. We can moan and complain all we want, and we can use video replay to make our case that an official's call was correct or incorrect. Yet it doesn't matter. The official's call always stands and cannot be changed, no matter how right and righteous we outsiders believe we are.
What matters in an official's call are two things: the rule as written and the official's interpretation and enforcement of the rule. Right or wrong, the official's call is the law of the court and cannot be changed or challenged. The rule governs, and the official enforces the rule. It can only be opined upon, criticized or agreed with by outsiders.
The same is true with regard to a fight in a basketball game. A fight might offend our sensibilities and draw our ire, but the ultimate decisions regarding the actions of those involved in a fight rest with the on-court rules, the officials on the floor, the conference and the schools. The rest of us can have our opinions, but our opinions don't matter.
Fights are governed by Rule 10 of the NCAA's basketball rules of play. If a player is deemed to have participated in a fight, he is ejected from that game and suspended for the next game. Essentially, that is a one-game penalty. The rules actually contemplate a player being involved in more than one fight during a season. Rule 10 states that a player will be suspended for the season if he is deemed to have participated in a second fight in the same season. That is instructive.
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The rules also cover leaving the bench during a fight. The only person who is allowed to leave the bench during a fight is the head coach. Any player or assistant coach who leaves the bench during a fight is subject to ejection. The rules do not mandate a suspension for leaving the bench.
Those rules were on display Tuesday night during an ugly brawl in the Kansas State-Kansas game at Allen Fieldhouse. The game was over, with Kansas leading by over 20 points and only deep bench players and walk-ons on the floor. It was "garbage time." As Silvio De Sousa crossed half court with the ball, Kansas was set to run the clock out. Instead of simply allowing Kansas to run the clock out and end the game, DaJuan Gordon stole the ball from De Sousa and sprinted with the ball to the other end to score. That was unnecessary.
De Sousa, who lost the ball to Gordon, sprinted down the floor and blocked Gordon's shot. That was unnecessary.
After the blocked shot, with the clock at 0:00 and the game literally over, De Sousa stood over Gordon, who had fallen to the floor, and taunted him. That was wholly unnecessary.
But none of that unnecessary stuff was a fight. It contributed to an atmosphere where a fight might break out, but none of it was a fight.
The fight started when Kansas State players, led by Antonio Gordon and James Love III, left the Kansas State bench and physically went after De Sousa on the baseline. De Sousa was knocked down, and the fight began. Kansas players entered the fray, at least one, David McCormack, to participate in the fight, others to break it up. Both head coaches and assistants were trying to break up the fight. The officials put themselves in harm's way to break up the fight. Punches were thrown. De Sousa picked up a stool and held it over his head before dropping it behind him. It was an ugly mess, and it was totally unacceptable.
The officials went to the monitor to determine which players participated in the fight and who had left the bench. De Sousa, McCormack, Antonio Gordon and Love were all deemed to have participated in the fight, and everyone else was deemed to have left the bench. The officials then put time back on the clock, brought the head coaches and players on the floor at the end of the game (minus those who had been ejected) and had those players inbound the ball and finish the game. While the rules might call for that or allow it, it was a ridiculous sight after such an ugly, disgusting brawl. It was unnecessary.
After the game, we were all breathless and emotional in responding to the ugliness of the fight.
You heard it all: It is unacceptable. There is no place for such behavior in college basketball. This will not be tolerated. De Sousa should never wear a uniform in college again. Punishments should be swift and severe. Yet another embarrassment for Kansas after the NCAA notice of allegations, Snoop Dogg and now this. Kansas fought for De Sousa's eligibility after the FBI investigation, then he does this. Every issue was collated with this fight and rolled into one. It was First Take on steroids, and very little of it centered on the rules and precedent.
The rules make it clear. De Sousa, McCormack, Antonio Gordon and Love were participants in the fight and are suspended for their team's next game. Those who left the bench but were not ruled to have participated in the fight are not subject to suspension under the rules. That is the minimum sanction. The only ones with authority to add to those sanctions are the conference (the Big 12) and the two schools involved. This isn't about perception, the NCAA notice of allegations, Snoop Dogg or anything else. It is solely about participation in the fight. Anything more is inappropriate and wrong.
Working together, the Big 12 office, Kansas and Kansas State agreed upon suspensions for the players involved in the fight. De Sousa was suspended for 12 games, Love for eight games, Antonio Gordon for three games and McCormack for two games. Those who left the bench were reprimanded.
Some thought the suspensions were too light. Others thought the suspensions were reasonable. But, a day later, the tone of the discussion seemed far more tempered.
My opinion? There was plenty of blame to go around, and several contributing factors to the fight, but no excuses. Those who participated in the fight were wrong, period. Yet, as all reasonable people can agree, once we establish that the fight was wrong and those involved should be sanctioned, it is also useful to examine the factors that led to the fight and how such a fight can be avoided in the future.
First, when the clock is running out in a blowout, let the clock run out. Don't try for a steal. It is unnecessary. And, while the officials did a great job overall in dealing with the fight and did not make a mistake in this, I would consider calling a foul on the defender going for the steal. The offensive team was clearly trying to run out the clock. If you call the foul, you avoid a potential bad situation and discourage the same thing in the future. Reasonable minds can differ on this thought, but I think it would be a good way for an official to handle a situation. Remember, we saw the same thing in the Kansas-Monmouth game earlier this season.
Second, don't try to defend your basket after the steal when you were running out the clock. It is unnecessary. Did it lead to the fight? No, but if you let it go, there is no fight.
Third, stop the taunting. When you dunk on someone or block a shot, that's great. Celebrate it with your teammates. Just leave your opponent out of it. Taunting an opponent doesn't make the dunk or block more impressive. One thing you can guarantee, we will see taunting technical fouls more often going forward, and perhaps we should.
Fourth, let's stop calling the players "kids." They are not kids, they are adults. They are men. Calling them "kids" infantilizes them. After all, the NCAA calls this Men's Basketball and not Boys' Basketball or Kids' Basketball. These are young men.
Lastly, the suspensions were within reason. Would I have argued if they were a bit longer or shorter? No. I was unmoved and unpersuaded by calls to suspend De Sousa for the season or talk that he should never wear a college uniform again. Could the result of the fight have been worse and people, including spectators, injured? Yes, that could have happened. But it didn't happen. The Big 12 had to sanction what happened, not what could have happened.
We have condemned the action, and those involved have been sanctioned. For Kansas and Kansas State, the next step is to make sure the punished players are taken care of and get the help and support they need. De Sousa has been pilloried and will be followed by the menacing photos of him with the stool forever. That will not be easy to deal with. These are young men who made errors in judgment in a heated situation. They were wrong. But they should not be thrown out with yesterday's trash. De Sousa is a young man who made a mistake, not a punching bag for those upset with Kansas or the NCAA. He needs proper support, as do McCormack, Antonio Gordon and Love.
It was ugly and unacceptable, but it is over. Fortunately, nobody got hurt. We should all move on having learned from it and being better for it.
-Jay Bilas