@stoptheflop Any anomalies within the conference should be taken care of by selection time.
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@stoptheflop NET from NCAA:
dylans said:
As a Chiefs fan, Mahomes is payback for watching other teams do that to our D for years.
Hopefully, continuing Thursday by going 2 for 2 this year in the "Revenge on Rivers" campaign!
From CBSSports.com, by Jason La Canfora:
Patrick Mahomes is the NFL's most valuable player.
Mahomes was, to me, more impressive than ever on Sunday. This wasn't going to be a week where the Chiefs came out and scored on five straight drives to open the game. They weren't going to always be playing with the lead. They were going against the league's best defense and Baltimore did, in fact, shut down and beat up the opposing quarterback for a good portion of this game. It was a day in which the Chiefs offense would go large portions of the day without the football as the Ravens' RPO ground attack rolled up another 198 yards of rushing.
It was going to be a day where the Chiefs would have to win ugly and overcome their defense in order to clinch a playoff spot, avoid the Chargers nipping at them in the AFC West standings and take full advantage of an afternoon when the Texans and Patriots lost games they were favored to win. And make no mistake, with Kareem Hunt released a week ago, Sammy Watkins hurt agai, Tyreek Hill limping around, Spencer Ware needing medical attention and Kansas City's offensive line bullied by Baltimore's pass rush, it was Mahomes who made it all happen in a wild, 27-24 overtime win.
He completed a ridiculous no-look pass to key a monster drive. He kept another play alive forever under duress before firing across his body for 50 yards to Hill to set up the game-tying score in the dying minutes. That's all. He only made about a half dozen throws that no one else completes right now, and probably only Aaron Rodgers would even try. If Mahomes was a half-step slower, just a smidge less brilliant in his ability to see the field and diagnose defenses mentally, with an arm that was just a touch less strong or a bit more inaccurate, the Chiefs lose this game and are staring at an uncomfortable crossroads.
Instead, because of the 23-year old passer, Andy Reid was left speechless and flabbergasted on the sidelines at the insane plays Mahomes made, repeatedly, as he rolls toward his 50th touchdown pass of the season. Instead, he made the Ravens contemplate their own mortality for the season, as he threw for 377 yards (topping 4,000 for the season) and two more touchdowns (he's up to 43, now) against the unit that came into this game allowing the worst passer rating in the NFL.
Mahomes looked at an array of blitzes the likes of which he had never before seen and was rarely gifted a clean pocket or much time to operate, but he gutted through it, stayed composed and released his gunslinger to capture the victory. It felt like a playoff game, and it was Mahomes' toughest task yet given the injuries and lack of so many impact players. No first-time starter has looked like this since Dan Marino, and it should be reflected in the postseason hardware.
HighEliteMajor said:
KU 6-12 and Doke didn't play.
An homage to the big guy?
@BShark Shocking? Not by then, perhaps.
If we had shot 50% on FTs in April 2003....oh, well. 15 seasons later we finally did it and proved we could win at the line.
wissox said:
The entire country is laughing hysterically at us right now.
No, don't you know? They are watching Zion highlights for the 6th time.
DanR said:
Auraurararuaruar guy is pretty good for NMSU
I think he gets in our guys' heads by asking them to pronounce his name.
@kjayhawks I left out what conference play and the tournament are for. I am afraid we might still be learning.
@BShark G Mason.
@kjayhawks Preconference is for learning.
I don't see why Vick is always setting up on the weak side. No one driving is dishing to him, and our guards in general are not even looking at him. We need some weave just to get Vick the chance to touch the ball.
@wissox Check for foil hats....
BShark said:
Wait, 5 seconds is still a rule?
When the ball handler is not dribbling.
BShark said:
@wissox Thoughts on that offensive foul on Happ's tip in?
FWIW, I thought the call was justified. The view from above showed a forearm shove that gave Happ his uncontested path to the rebound.
@Hawk8086 Death penalty was considered for "lack of institutional control" because of recent prior sanctions (for fb, I think). Brown was not cooperative, but after he left KU officials were, avoiding worse result.
KUSTEVE said:
@Crimsonorblue22 If they need a class to tell them not to hit a woman, then they might not have the intelligence to grasp what the class is about.
Classes really shouldn't be seen as for the perps. They are for KU administrators who always throw up their hands in pure bewilderment that powerful kids recruited for skills in a violent game sometimes get violent with "civilians," and classes enable them to smugly say, "See? Aren't we on top of things?"
@JayHawkFanToo Then was it Darryl Dawkins I am thinking of?
@BeddieKU23 Moses Malone, too, was leaning to KU when he went pro, I think.
I hate guardians and handlers and parents who try to cash in on the 16, 17 and 18 year old kids being recruited.
I never expected, asked for, or received a nickel from Lowe's or the Marines when I helped my stepsons decide where they were going. Geez!
@BeddieKU23 Mahomes has a way of really making receivers look spectacular, and performance incentives are in the contract for this guy. If that doesn't motivate someone, nothing could.
@approxinfinity @Kcmatt7 @BeddieKU23 @FarmerJayhawk
The thing that makes fb flipping more acceptable to me than bb is that schools are also more willing to withdraw offers to someone who doesn't sign yet. The SEC has tried to address another practice called greyshirting that, I think but am not sure, asked a kid to defer enrolling until the spring semester so they can have schollie room to bring him on after someone else leaves in fall or doesn't qualify. Too often, a greyshirted player waited and then there actually wasn't a spot available, and by then other schools had none either (and little interest in likely 2nd or 3rd string guys who sat out a year).
I think the SEC may have done something like count all scholarships whenever the kid would start, but I cannot recall. Someone please correct me if I screwed up on this!
So, kids not signing and flipping are really just levelling the bumpy field.
@justanotherfan Do you think coming from a relatively comfortable background with two high-caliber athletic parents could have dulled any fiery need to succeed in Wiggins?
@BeddieKU23 It is important for the visuals in televised games. The more affluent student body found in certain schools needs the longer break for trips to Europe and Aspen and St. Barts.
BShark said:
Can you all imagine ESPN if Duke went on a 27-0 run in a close game?
Internet would break. Maybe not a bad thing...
And outrebounded by 9, with only 11 KU assists. Astounding.
@KirkIsMyHinrich Anyone think we would ever win a 13.3% 3 pt shooting game, let alone win by dbl digits, or conceive it could be by 25?!!
@Crimsonorblue22 I don't disagree, but he didn't always use that athleticism well. Poor rebounding instincts, poor defender.
Texas Hawk 10 said:
Dedric Lawson = an upgraded Perry Ellis.
Better BB instincts, I think, is the reason. Both seem slow (maybe ponderous is a better word), but Perry always seemed to be figuring out where to move and telegraphed it all the time. DL just seems to have a great sense of how to move.
So, about the theory that we will live or die on 3 pt shooting.... Tonight, I'm leaning to the "preventing a basket is just as good as making one" but if Wofford had made more of their many 2nd chance opportunities, that theory wouldn't hold much water.
@BShark I thought maybe it had been posted before since it was last week. I lost my first post with an explanation, so I just did the link.
Nice one with all the redactions!
@BShark I just put it up because it tends to confirm my contention that the UA situation is far from resolved.
In the years I have been reading here, I have grown convinced that anyone reading this site as their only information source about KU would conclude Self has a losing record, that KU never is better than middle of the pack, and that we are hoping for maybe our second or third victory at best before conference season starts in Jan.
Never saw a more discouraged fanbase for an undefeated team. We really aren't doing that bad for a team that is understandably struggling a bit to replace three starters and a stuck-in-limbo key sub with freshmen and transfers.
@dylans I think it is a McClatchy thing--our idiot 24-page-average (6 entirely advertising) local paper does the same. I cancelled my home delivery subsc when they raised the base rate to literally over $1,100 per year (includes nonoptional "enhanced" digital access). They claimed it was a massive 60% discount to offer me a rate of $40/month. 3 articles per month limit now even clearing cookies. Most articles are wire service anyway, and I can get local news on the TV websites. Can get comics individually, so eff 'em, I say!
nuleafjhawk said:
@BShark Maybe he could be the free throw coach.
You would do that to the poor guy? I thought you like Hoiberg!
@dylans I used to do that quite successfully, but some paywall sites seem to have figured out a way to defeat the ploy. KC Star was one. But the limits are per month (used to be 10, now @3 I think), so they do get reset eventually.
I don't know how they defeat it, unless they plant a cookie that has attributes of one you would choose to keep, such as settings or something.
I haven't experimented to figure it out too much. Star ain't worth it since Joe P left.
@JayHawkFanToo Yeah, it is the same exact situation. Schedule either one, take your pick. Guaranteed national television, huge revenue stream, etc.
@justanotherfan At one point the Big 12 was allegedly considering adding UCF, along with Houston, UCinn, and maybe BYU. With UCF being the largest student body in the country, and having the visibility of Orlando, plus having morphed from a commuting to a residential school, I thought it would be great.
But I suspect that because UT and OU did not want to find out if the fb program is legit, expansion died.
@JayHawkFanToo Maybe a lot of players come out of college having played zone most or all of their lives. So, when someone starts coming toward them, they shade over.
I suggest this because they not only leave the guys in the corner; they actually also never really get to a defensive position on the dribbler, either. At best, they just lunge an arm toward the guy and risk the used-to-be-seen-more-often-but-thank-God-not-so-much-anymore "reaching in" foul. Then
the ball is passed and our guys look caught in no man's land as if they have idea who to cover. If they were used to playing man, it should not be a mystery.
Another possibility is that too many players, especially the fast and athletic guys we tend to get, may have relied for years on their quickness to step in to try for a "big play"--on defense, denial by tight coverage is not as spectacular as a block, or, better yet, a steal and a fast break. So they move to the ball almost instinctively. And look dumb because most Div I talent is not as mediocre as most of their prior opponents.
Another factor may just simply be overconfidence in how far they can move and still have time to recover. Anyone remember the scene in some show, I thought it was "White Shadow," where the coach demonstrates how much faster a passed ball gets to a spot than the kids could run?
@BeddieKU23 I rack my brain on this. The only thing I can only imagine is he likes to have anyone driving get doubled to protect Doke (and before him, our other foul-prone bigs) from more fouls. It may be an outgrowth of 2 things: first, Self wants to keep bigs in the game to keep alive his preference for High/Low. Second, like most current coaches, Self "grew up" when 3 ptrs were the bailiwick of so-called specialists, like Terry Brown. He may just instinctively believe 2 pt shots, which historically have been more accurate, are more dangerous in volume than 3 point shots.
Unfortunately, I have no explanation for how he might still believe these things, or teach them to his players after the past several years, primarily the 'Nova game last year.
stoptheflop said:
I agree that Garrett should start ahead of Q, but Garrett must limit his offense to driving and scoring at the rim, not shooting. In 33 min of playing time he correctly only took five shots and made two. But the misses spoke volumes about his lack of shooting ability. Garrett brings energy and heart. Bill Self loves the guy. But, please Marcus do all of us a favor and don't shoot the ball. Defend, get steals and drive the rim.
His outside shooting makes me think the cure may be an optometrist, a la "Wild Thing."
@JayHawkFanToo You seem to love Dershowidiot when he is fawning for The Donald's corral, but I think you will find few attorneys holding him in the esteem he may have held previously. Especially since, as you point out sine fine, he gave a blanket absolution to Manafort because anything he did wasn't a crime and because everything was allegedly all before the campaign began anyway, and never acknowledged the guilty pleas to crimes committed in '16 and '17. Nor did you.
Go ahead, correct my legal arguments. You do that sine fine as well.
@JayHawkFanToo Except that your premise is, again, wrong:
@JayHawkFanToo said "Ranking by record alone is not a good way to rank teams and I don’t know of anyone that does that or would ever consider it."
But are you not doing exactly that by saying Duke's loss to Gonzaga deserves to put Duke below KU, which stayed undefeated?
I would like to see those strict polling rules you are relying on. I did not know the voters were voting wrong all these years. Just cannot see how KU remained ranked in the top 25 last year after those 2 Cowboy losses to go with the preconference ones. Could it be as Newell described--voters believing KU was better than the losses showed?
I disagree entirely! The polls are a collective judgment of which teams are better and are expected to do well. Game results are just one factor--until they become determinative in the tournament.
Otherwise the polls are not a judgment call at all. The voters would just sort all teams by record. That makes no sense since you only need a preseason poll and a compendium of game results to proceed from there. I agree with Newell--an early 2 point upset in college BB does not require upending poll rankings.
@tundrahok The Blues are named after a WC Handy song, "St. Louis Blues." The Reds are the shortened name of the original Red Stockings. Both are appropriately plural. Syracuse I don't think about!
Stanford changed its name from "Indians" and has not had a formal mascot since. The history is kind of interesting (courtesy, Wikipedia--where else?--footnotes deleted):
Following its win over Cal in the first-ever Big Game in 1892, the color cardinal was picked as the primary color of Stanford's athletic teams. White was adopted as a secondary color in the 1940s.
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1930 football ticket stub depicting the Stanford Indian mascot
On November 25, 1930, following a unanimous vote by the Executive Committee for the Associated Students, the athletic department adopted the mascot "Indian." A few months after the football team's second straight win in the Rose Bowl in January 1972, the Indian symbol and name were dropped by President Richard Lyman, after objections from Native American students and a vote by the student senate.
From 1972 to 1981, the official nickname returned to "Cardinals," a reference to the color, not the bird. During the 1970s, a number of suggestions were put forth as possible nicknames: Robber Barons (a sly reference to Leland Stanford's history), Sequoias, Trees, Railroaders, Spikes, Huns and Griffins. The last suggestion gained enough momentum to prompt the university to place two griffin statues near the athletic facilities.
On November 17, 1981, school president Donald Kennedy declared that the athletic teams be represented by the color cardinal in its singular form.
Stanford has no official mascot, but the Stanford Tree, a member of the Stanford Band wearing a self-designed tree costume, appears at major Stanford sports events. The Tree is based on El Palo Alto, a redwood tree in neighboring Palo Alto that appears in the Stanford seal and athletics logo.