@HighEliteMajor I hate to agree with you. But i'm leaning toward being concerned.
truehawk93
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Incompetent? I'll see your "incompetence" and raise you a non-existent, maybe at least a barely. I've never seen a KU team with little to no fire power. Dotson is not enough. Ochai has got to shoot more. Tristan looked promising. Christian tried and seemed somewhat confident in his attempts. Nova looked a bit more like KU should look, minus hucking up so many. I really thought Silvio would be a match up nightmare. Right now, he seems to be digressing.
We just don't have much of an answer. BU beat this Nova team? I don't know if this causes me concern or encouragement.
@BigBad You realize Nova shot 24% to our 23% from the arc? The arc was not the ultimate problem in this game. I disagree. You live and die by the arc. If Nova hits half of those misses, and some of their misses were really close, this game could've been lopsided. We just don't have enough fire power. I don't get it. Self or players are so conservative or hesitant. Nova's inside game was to mug and hack Doke.
If Doke and Dave hit their bunnies, and or we make maybe 1-2 of those missed Fts, this game is different. Overall, Self's game plan worked, we just lost a key piece early in the game. This was a fluke of a loss.
@nuleafjhawk Its early and I think we all knew it was likely short lived. We played like crap, lost a key player, and still lost by 1 in a really tough environment. It hurts, but not too bad.
The rankings are more for the writers to play their games. They actually had KU losing before they even took the spot. I really don't care and we all say it every year, but we still get hooked on the #1 spot. March and April are all that matters.
@Big-Clyde52 I track you completely. Doke has GOT to improve. I've never seen a more horrible FT shooter, other than Shaq, and his problem is between his ears.
Christian hits his FTs, Dotson hits the front end of his 1-1, they eek it out on the road. But this is their first rough road test. They did some things right on the road in a really rough environment. They need to refocus and put this game behind them.
Another definition of a good loss. You had losing to Nova, I had losing at all. But at least it was a top 20 team, on the road, hostile environment, and Garrett would've been the difference.
@Big-Clyde52 I could think of many other bad losses. Let's hope this ugly play against top 20 teams get worked out now. This is my definition of a good loss.
See UNC, Puke, MSU, UK...feeling better? I am.
@jhawk7782 Hell, why not huck up enough bricks. You make enough and win? Who cares? They won bricks and all. This Nova team lives and dies by the trey. It will not serve them well in most games. That shot by Samuels was the luckiest dumbass shot all day. They were shooting way too many 3s.
KU didn't look comfortable at all. Garrett had to be the difference. Nova pretty much knew if a key player leaves the court, they sneak a win at home. But of all the stupid crap in this game, I gotta give Nova fans credit, they didn't rush the court.
Good road loss and maybe they will learn...maybe
@jayballer73 WE PLAYED LIKE SHIT
Nova didn't win as the better team, they were lucky. They missed treys all game and I knew that Samuels was going to hit a trey.
Geez, I hate Nova
@jayballer73 Pretty much and your bigs can't miss bunnies.
@jayballer73 KU played awful and when a glue player goes down due to ankle, it doesn't help. I watched Nova foul twice during those last few minutes. The black ref watched Gillespie reach in all game. Bey climbed backs all game and should've fouled out. The last play was a foul on Bey for the bump. Both refs, baseline and top of the key watched Dotson drive and Bey fouled him twice on that drive.
Kinda hard to win on the road when you play like shit and the refs won't make calls. We're lucky we got what we did.
BShark said:
@approxinfinity Mitch and Garrett lol. Two beasts this year. Probably a bit unfair to Garrett, who I think is a better player than Mitch.
I totally agree. Garrett is your back court glue and will definitely school the others, with Dotson.
Mitch will be invaluable in the front court with the bigs.
Check out this pic of Garrett. He's been spending time with Hudy. That boy be Reeeeeped. Check out his arms. Dang the last few years he looked like a little boy. Dude has become a damn man in a Summer. It's amazing what Hudy-izing can do to a playa.
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@BShark LOVE IT
BShark said:
@truehawk93 No worries. I was wondering where the miscommunication was though, because it definitely felt like we weren't talking about the same thing.
Agree that Juwan is unproven and we will see if he can coach much. Jury is still out on Penny as well.
I can't wait to see what Penny does with his talent. I am amazed at who he has lured. I predict he has more than he can handle. He won't be able to translate. He will underachieve and Memphis will expect huge results. He will have 1-3 seasons, and he will likely be on the hot seat.
This my friends is interesting. Look at your older player/coaches and the success they've had as coaches. Then, look at your younger, NBA coaches lately that are coaching in college. They don't transition well. Many of the current player/coaches that have a fair record struggle. I just don't see Howard and Hardaway making much of a showing. Players don't necessarily make good coaches, even if they played in the NBA.
I would definitely agree that Jayhawk Nation needs to get off Snack's back. He's done a great job.
BShark said:
@truehawk93 Oh, yeah we were all talking about the KU AC Jerrance Howard. The subject of the KU fanbase giving him crap came up again.
LOL...my bad
BShark said:
Howard helped secure Q as well. Didn't work out but that was a big time signing.
Whoa...I think we are confusing Howards...LOL...I'm addressing Juwan Howard at Michigan, NOT Snacks. I think you all are complimenting Snacks on his role with Wilson, and YES definitely great work.
I'm addressing Juwan Howard and the fact that his being a new player/coach gave Snacks and KU a great advantage. Hardaway at Memphis is interesting because he has been by far the most influential player/coach to have recruiting success.
Sorry, I confused the Howard discussion.
@BShark I feel you and would tend to agree on Enarauna, but he's not even stepped foot on the court and you have him gone in 1-2 years? Maybe, but he's a huge challenge for your rotation right now in the front court. Geez if what your saying is a strong likelihood, we could lose our entire front court next season.
So, he develops this year? Gone after 2nd yr?
We lose Doke, SDS, and likely Big Mac...yikes. This would leave Enarauna as the lone returning front court big with a year of coming off the bench for Self.
I'm a little concerned. I would tend to present it to him. He might be willing to stay 3 yrs...1 RS and maybe 2 starting? He could jump after his junior year. I hate to say it, but Doke's injuries will encourage players to jump regardless. We all know players should stay at least 2-3 years, but NBA is just too tempting.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like Self and Howard dominated this recruitment. They locked in and got em
And people tried to criticize Howard AGAIN this offseason.
That dude is on the path to becoming a head coach, no doubt in my mind. I would guess he ends up a serious contender for the Depaul job the next time it opens up.
BUT HE MISSED ON SOME GUYS LIKE EVERYONE DOES. lol
He got Dave and Marcus too.
This year I know Roberts was on Enaruna. Don't remember who was on Braun and McBride but it probably could have been you or me...
He's not proven yet.
The more I read and think, the more I think Enarauna and Braun should RS. I'm starting a campaign to RS those two.
HighEliteMajor said:
@truehawk93 I would respectfully request that you include Agbaji in your very fine lineup projections ...
Absolutely and unfortunately, his coming out of RS really put a challenge in the rotation. I certainly meant no insult or message at all. He certainly will factor. I would even consider RS Braun?
I would then factor OA into Garrett's minutes. I could see Garrett in the middle of those zones. I saw a pic in one of the kusports pieces and he has spent time in the gym with Hudy. He has some bulk.
approxinfinity said:
First guess without looking at last year's minutes:
Dot 31 (we have depth, can preserve him)
Garrett 26 (Pet. D leader. Good dude. We will beat teams bad enough to let this happen.
Ochai 25
Silvio (Doke will need rest and Wilson isn't ready) 25
Doke 26 (unless hurt)
Moss 22
Dave 17 (unless Doke hurt)
Wilson 7
McBride 7
Mitch 7
Enanura 3
Wave The Wheat 1
Also, I agree more with your numbers in big games. Except Wilson.
Wilson should be a bit of a match up challenge in the 3--4. He has the "scoring" prowess that Self loves in that 4 role that Self willed Mario Little and Vick into over the years. We need someone that can get in the middle of those ZONES and bust them open. I think Wilson will be about right. But then, he has the range to step out around the arc. It would make sense to play small ball with him at the 4. I would then go big by putting him at the 3. We all know Self has been forced into small ball, and will go to that when needed. Actually I'd say Self has had some significant results with small ball.
Small:
Dotson/McBride - 6' and change
Moss - 6-4
Garrett/Braun 6-5,8
Wilson 6-8
SDS/Enarauna 6-9 Feels good writing SDS in the line up.
Big:
Garrett/Dotson
Moss/Garrett
Wilson/Braun (?) Really curious to see how Braun factors.
SDS
Doke/Big Mac
Does anyone think 'maybe' Enarauna takes a RS? Even remotely? I hope Self isn't RS shy, but he seems the odd possibility, at least from my standpoint.
Excellent...welcome Mr Wilson, I've been wanting to say that for a while now. Great job Self and Co. Let's get to work and make the most of the deep talent we have now. Let's make this year count. Also, let's not get caught up in the rhetoric of preseason.
Frankly, I don't care where we are ranked, let's take one game at a time all the way through the April nets. RCJHGOKU
If he can play with this confidence, we are in for a treat. Dang he looks good and TRob-esque.
@Texas-Hawk-10
The kid did this basically his second semester out of high school, high school. TRob was on a strong roster his freshman year with the Morri and Withey. Then he went and got bigger.
Let's see what SDS does after this crazy NCAA mess of a suspension. He's been practicing too. He should pick up where he left off. I just hope Hudy has worked him too during the "suspension." I use that term lightly too, "suspension." It was more like a screw-spension.
I don't care what anyone thinks. Glad he's back and it's going to be exciting with our nasty front court.
FarmerJayhawk said:
I see Darnell Jackson in Silvio. At least as of today. The ultimate garbage man.
Garbage man? Really? Ok...
I think DeSousa will be hungry for a strong season. Dang...Doke, Big Mac, and SDS will be sick. We should've had MkMorris with Withey and TRob. Self wasn't expecting MkMorris to go with McMorris.
Texas Hawk 10 said:
I don't see T-Rob when I look at Silvio. I see more Markeiff Morris when I look at them. Big Dave is the T-Rob clone on this team.
Of course not...the NCAA stole a whole season. You didn't see him at all. You just saw a small part of his game. I think he's smarter than TRob and his skill level is more polished. TRob was pure power and athleticism. There will never be another beast like TRob.
KUSTEVE said:
I hope he lets Silvio play at the 4. I cringe thinking of him as simply a backup.
Ditto...SDS is much like McMorris. He can play in and around the lane. Big Mac and Doke are strictly painters. The really good news about our bigs is that our FTs will improve drastically with SDS back. That guy didn't miss many FTs. He made teams pay every time he stepped to the line.
I totally agree...let SDS loose at the 4 and watch him work.
Whatever, AND we hurry and WAIT
@Kcmatt7
Yeah, the agent is called a lawyer to protect his interests. Doesn’t appear the NCAA wants to protect a student athlete. This kid WANTS to play and continue his NCAA education. The NCAA should be helping, not discouraging him.
@kjayhawks
Nope and Puke’s crooked lawyers will manipulate all they can to prevent Puke from facing bad press or damage their precious brand. Puke does whatever it wants and they have someone or a group of people protecting them. Remember what K said? This whole thing is a “blip” to him. Translation...we will not be harmed and this is no big deal because I have immunity. It was a stupid slip. Then he corrected himself and covered his comment. That little word “blip” meant they are dirty, but they will not get caught.
jayballer73 said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
He's not a grad transfer and is a pretty big bust for a top 50 recruit. He's never averaged more than 10 mpg. This would be a hard pass for someone who would have to sit a year to only play one. He needs to go to a mid major school to finish out his career.
Agree - - we do not need a bigger Charlie Moore - -stay away from this
Unless he is tried, true, and proven...PASS
@HighEliteMajor
He didn't play a game and will likely not play another game in a KU uniform because the so-called NCAA can't seem to get their information and clearinghouse figured.
He's eligible...
No..he's not eligible...
Wait...he's not only ineligible this year, he's ineligible next year too.
Wow, what a bunch of morons that have no clue how to treat student athletes. They are not credible at all and I don't trust them at all.
Wait, Zion was named in the Grand Jury pay for play? Oh well, let's just ignore that little information and oh by the way, let's not even investigate. Let's let Zion play and take Duke deep in the tourney. - NCAA
BShark said:
What if he comes back, stays healthy and is a complete badass?
He would be a badass for sure, but staying healthy is more of a challenge than him being a badass.
Bullshit...
Yet Self and Townsend get screwed? And the NCAA uses all the Adidas desperate claims against KU coaches?
KU must fight this and Emmert needs to resign. He is a joke for college b-ball. He’s creating a mess and the courts will not allow any of the FBI evidence against the remaining programs?
And Silvio didn’t play. He was also declared ineligible and likely will not be overturned? Bray is concerned about credibility? Sorry, you’re all a bunch cheating idiots. Coach K is the biggest cheat of all. Duke lawyers are protecting the Duke program, and doing a damn good job too. No investigation and ineligibility against Zion? Yet Silvio gets screwed?
This is a farce and a joke.
@HighEliteMajor You're too quick to accuse Self. I don't believe Self and KU was on trial during the Grand Jury. It was Adidas and the judge even reminded the Grand Jury that Adidas was on trial. The Grand Jury even declared KU as the victim.
All coaches are aware that some influence takes place and I doubt that Self is the only coach that talks to their shoe reps about players. Coach K had his shoe reps work overtime on Williamson. Then he cleared himself and Duke on national television as calling the Grand Jury a "blip." Meaning, he didn't take the investigations seriously at all. But then he corrected himself because he knew there was a slight chance his program was certainly a possible target.
HighEliteMajor said:
@Kcmatt7 Technicalities, technicalities ...
How can you criticize Self for the Adidas allegations, and then defend Pearl who is a proven walking violation. This is why he's at Auburn. Tennessee kinda fired him and it has been proven to be a pretty good move for all parties. Pearl then sit out for some time as a coaching commentator for a few years for CBS Sports. They let his violations fade away and now he is a coaching genius for taking Auburn deep in the tourney.
Self is innocent until proven guilty, at least that's the way the American justice system works. However, the innocent are guilty until proven innocent.
No, I wouldn't touch Pearl with a ten foot pole, Auburn be damned.
Moore may be a great kid, but he was obviously all wrong for KU. He was the most absolute waste of paper of any transfer ever. I just can't get over how he was a total failure. He just did not translate. All he was good for was to give Dotson a really quick blow. But everytime he got on the court, I was always skeptical and counted down to when Dotson came back in the game.
Why can't we get one of these low key diamonds in the rough that explodes onto the scene around tourney time. Where are these kids? And how do we get one? Self and Co looking in the all too familiar AAU circuit. We always hear about some kid from no where that explodes onto the scene. But because he didn't have the top 5 blue bloods looking at him, he gets nothing. Like the kid that set the NCAA 3pt record in one game. Then he crapped a brick in the next game.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Some rumor out there our old friend John Calipari has interest in the UCLA job. Color me skeptical but would be a good time.
I thought you saved with Geico?
I hope recruiting hopefuls ignore this coaching banter completely. If they do, I hope they ignore it completely. We need stability, not instability. We don't need to be throwing stupid coaching plans out at this point.
But this doesn't look good at all. I don't think we'll get Hurt...pun intended.
Hurt said this week, while preparing for the McDonald’s game, that he would announce his college decision on April 19 — a day before his 19th birthday — and he will be choosing between KU, Duke, Kentucky and North Carolina.
Not so concerned about transferring or leaving, rather who do we have coming? Hurt? We need a solid shooter.
dylans said:
@Kcmatt7 I don’t want Bruce Pearl.
Pearl is a walking violation. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets violations at Auburn too.
I heard Emmert's interview with Seth Davis. This biased and unfair investigation the NCAA is wagering, against KU, is horrible. I don't care what KU has done, the NCAA is not going to lead the investigation against all "suspected" programs. Emmert said, "We've suspected these violations were taking place and now we will apply severe punishments." They are so biased and I'm for investigations and punishments against violaters. My concern is, how fair and consistent will the investigations be? and how "severe" will the punishments be against the violating teams?
What teams do they choose to investigate? What violations do they choose to punish? What punishments do they apply? Right now, KU has been given a horrible punishment against SDS by making him ineligible this year and next? WOW! AND...they are not done yet imposing punishments. IF Self leaves this program with violations, I will NOT be a Self fan.
Basically, KU is set to being the example for all the other cheaters. I have not heard a word about Arizona. Emmert said they didn't want to have this hovering over the tourney. How nice! I don't think the NCAA has done any investigations, nor will they. They do not intend to because they will end with KU and maye a few other lesser blue bloods. They have their scapegoat. KU will be the SMU of college bball. Brace yourself KU Nation. This is not looking good at all. We can forget SDS's appeal. They have a blue blood to take the fall. The message will be that no matter who you are, you will be punished.
Charles Barkley admitted during the pre-game show. Teams cheat, cheating, and will cheat. Question is, will the NCAA be consistent with investigations and punishments? JOKE
Good to see TT advancing and representing the B12.
We get Hurt? haha...Matthew Hurt. We're already hurt...
I knew this was going to be a rough year, but DAMN...This is painful.
wissox said:
Last years team was tough as nails. It took a perfect storm to defang this team.
Absolutely PERFECT storm.