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@KirkIsMyHinrich that's where my head is at too. If Moss gets more consistent (since playing for Fran would get in anyone's head) I could see him pushing 25 MPG, mostly at the expense of Garrett. I could see Wilson surprising with how well he defends too. Could mean we play small a bit more.

Pulled a DE from Louisiana today, pushing us into the top 40. If we can stay there and land one or both of Purdy/Johnson, look out.

I hope they rework the draft calendar when OAD is gone. Maybe an earlier deadline for HS kids to declare? It's going to really suck when programs get left out to dry because a kid blows up late.

The word around the program is he's the most improved guy on the roster. He's healthy finally and things are really starting to click above the neck. It's also the first time he's had really great, consistent coaching since he didn't go to a hoops factory and was a role player in AAU ball. I'm not saying he's Jo because he was a freak show among freak shows, but they both have a ridiculous growth curve.

This is how CJ at The Athletic sees it:
Devon Dotson 33-37
Marcus Garrett 23-27
Ochai Agbaji 25-29
Silvio De Sousa 20-25
Udoka Azubuike 25-30
Isaiah Moss 18-22
David McCormack 15-20
Jalen Wilson 13-17
Issac McBride 5-10
Tristan Enaruna 3-7

Really playing 8 guys, 9 if Dotson gets in foul trouble or we need some shooting immediately or something like that. Mitch and Braun will probably RS. KU has a pretty good graduate engineering programs so I'd think that would be pretty attractive to Mitch

approxinfinity said:

Any wurd on last schollie?

Will be open until midyear transfers at least.

HighEliteMajor said:

For a money train that is allegedly slowing down, and subject to derailing, the trend line is up.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/219605/ncaa-revenue-breakdown/ ↗

Is there something I am missing?

Fewer eyeballs on the tournament reduces the NCAA’s negotiating power when tv deals come up for renegotiating. If multiple high profile schools are hit with postseason bans, the NCAA could lose millions in revenue. All about positioning for the future.

I think Zona and Louisville get nuked from orbit. I think Louisville is still in hot water over the hookers.

Flare’s analysis is encouraging to say the least https://t.co/0uhepjnmnp ↗

BShark said:

Oh my god, was this a zero handlers class? @FarmerJayhawk do you know anything about Enaruna in that regard?

As far as Enaruna, no. I do know Braun's recruitment was handled by the JoCo yoga moms. I think we had to back up the Brinks truck full of Starbuck's and Barefoot wine.

You always monitor and keep in touch with guys. Best case is you land a case like Joey Baker, a top 25 (I think?) kid who wanted to RS instead of go to high school another year.

HighEliteMajor said:

@FarmerJayhawk I'm having what you're having. If we skate, I'd gladly buy the drinks. I live in a world of pie graphs, though. Probabilities and possibilities. The pie graph is never one color.

Oops. Typo. I’m not saying we’ll absolutely skate. I think there’s a good chance we do based on my analysis of the facts and NCAA SOP. I also only work in the world of probabilities and risk. Much more complicated than the alternative, and unfortunately a way of thinking that society doesn’t emphasize in our education systems.

HighEliteMajor said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

@HighEliteMajor
1. They don't even have almost proof.

1. KU can stonewall. See North Carolina, University of

2. It's all really flimsy. They don't have full context of what the conversations were about or what was said.

3. KU can and will contest this. They have the right and ability to withdraw their admission since they only admitted it as a hypothetical.

4. Under that definition, every apparel company is a booster and every school is going down in flames since they all do it. See Bagley, Marvin.

5. See 4 and 5.

6. It won't be. The LOIC charge is usually reserved for the USC's of the world, where violations span multiple sports across multiple years.

7. Since KU didn't know about Billy, held him out, then cooperated, the NCAA won't really care about him. They also can't compel Billy or his mom to talk. And since the coaches didn't know, they have zilch.

8. The NCAA has a long history of looking out for big basketball programs, especially recently. They let UNC skate after waking up one day and figuring out they didn't have any jurisdiction over academics after spending years and millions of dollars saying they ackshully did.

9. They don't have anything the FBI gathered. So again, zilch.

10. Wilcox is all hat, no cattle. He can preach righteous indignation all he wants but the case against KU is flimsy. The cases against the other schools I mentioned are much stronger, given that they had coaches arrested, actual testimony about the staff playing a part in facilitating payments, and even paying players themselves. KU has none of that.

Well, I guess you seem to think you know.

1. Sure. Whatever you say. You know. I mean, because you know all the evidence. You know the results of interviews. You know what documents have been produced. You know all of it.

2. That's a great defense.

3. Not really.

4. Read the NCAA rule on boosters one more time. As I mentioned, whether we admitted or not, Gassnola, et. al., were boosters. No different than the car dealer that gives money to the program and has season tickets.

5. Right, the definition is broad. I pointed out a while back how a rogue person attempting to help could fit that definition. But it's how they are used, who they are reporting to, and what they do that is important. Our guys got in trouble. They reported to our coaches. Here, they paid our players to come to KU. Lots of crimes in the world get committed. Unlucky folks go to jail. So just because others do it doesn't mean we skate.

6. I assume you agree.

7. I would suspect that you are correct. But, of course, that charge is not needed to vacate wins or a FF or miss a tourney.

8. Sure, the NCAA won't care about him, since you say so.

9. I hope you're right.

10. So says you. And actually, we know they have what was presented in court. We only have the NCAA making a statement a few months back, but saying they were still pursuing the info. One might also consider that the flow of information might not always be publicly broadcast, and that the flow of information sometimes comes from multiple sources.

11. Again, if you say so. I mean, there's no reason to believe that the NCAA might try to crackdown after coaches and shoeco folks were indicted .. since that really hadn't been a thing until now. But again, you know.

Free your mind. There is a world beyond what you believe. I recognize that we might skate. I think if someone lives in the world believing that it's highly likely we'll skate, they are placing too much money on black.

Oh I’m fully aware of that. I’m a classical liberal in academia, and a member of the Heterodox Academy. Good times!

To be clear, I’m not saying we’ll absolutely skate. I just don’t see a strong case here. The OLC at KU doesn’t think they do either. Long himself has said they can and will assert Gassnola is not a booster. I also know how the DoJ works, and they’re not going to spend time and resources to share with the NCAA.

UNC stonewalled and got off. It can work. Will it here? Not sure. But we know there’s a non-zero probability it will.

I’m in the camp that doesn’t care about vacated wins or titles. Who won in 2013? Louisville. Did Reggie Bush win a Heisman? Yeah, we all saw it happen. Did Memphis win a game to play us in 2008? Sure. They didn’t just appear from the vapor. Unrelated point, but it’s a dumb penalty since it punishes kids who had nothing to do with cheating. Luke Hancock was great in those games (we all remember it) but doesn’t have a ring. So dumb.

@bshark so I guess Bill's house wasn't on the market?

Marco said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Also the NCAA can go choke on a bag of Richards. I’ll never forget they made a Czech grad transfer dig up 4 years of per diems and meal receipts, then took 3 months to process them all to ensure she wasn’t paid a dime. Almost made her delay her master’s by a year. But blah blah student athlete welfare like they give a rat’s ass about anything but cashing checks.

A bag of richard's, Lol!! I take it @FarmerJayhawk that like myself you are not a big fan of as The Boz called them the National Communists Against Athletes?

I have friends in AD's across the country and I'll just say none of them have ever said a kind thing about the National Committee of Asshats in Athletics

@HighEliteMajor
1. They don't even have almost proof.

1. KU can stonewall. See North Carolina, University of

2. It's all really flimsy. They don't have full context of what the conversations were about or what was said.

3. KU can and will contest this. They have the right and ability to withdraw their admission since they only admitted it as a hypothetical.

4. Under that definition, every apparel company is a booster and every school is going down in flames since they all do it. See Bagley, Marvin.

5. See 4 and 5.

6. It won't be. The LOIC charge is usually reserved for the USC's of the world, where violations span multiple sports across multiple years.

7. Since KU didn't know about Billy, held him out, then cooperated, the NCAA won't really care about him. They also can't compel Billy or his mom to talk. And since the coaches didn't know, they have zilch.

8. The NCAA has a long history of looking out for big basketball programs, especially recently. They let UNC skate after waking up one day and figuring out they didn't have any jurisdiction over academics after spending years and millions of dollars saying they ackshully did.

9. They don't have anything the FBI gathered. So again, zilch.

10. Wilcox is all hat, no cattle. He can preach righteous indignation all he wants but the case against KU is flimsy. The cases against the other schools I mentioned are much stronger, given that they had coaches arrested, actual testimony about the staff playing a part in facilitating payments, and even paying players themselves. KU has none of that.

And if you want to go down the road of only pursuing guys 25-75, let’s go through them from that class:
Jontay Porter (nope), Mark Williams (who?), Silvio (😎), Daniel Gafford (no shot), Jeremiah Tilmon (never meshed with the staff), Chuma Okeke (wasn’t leaving the South), Cody Riley (lolz), Rayshaun Hammons (wasn’t leaving GA), Jericho Sims (ehhh), Ira Lee (who?), Ike Obiagu (never developed). I could go on but it doesn’t get better b

KUSTEVE said:

@FarmerJayhawk Billy was a OAD. Cliff was a OAD. Selby was a OAD. There was plenty of smoke around Billy before we took him. I remember BShark saying before Preston signed that there were rumors the kid was on the take. In fact, BShark even said no way would we take Preston. As I recall, there was whispers around Cliffie, too. I'm not saying that Silvio directly fits the narrative, but if his case causes us to pause before we go after the latest murky OAD, then so much the better.

Sure. So were Josh, Wiggins, and Xavier. We should pursue the best players out there, period. We only took Billy because we were outbid by Ayton. I’m saying if you want to pursue “clean” players, be prepared to take a team full of Mitch Lightfoot’s.

Fine by me. The way the transfer market works I’d rather hold it for a midyear transfer or reclass

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Well worth a sub. https://theathletic.com/1021772/2019/06/12/after-adding-jalen-wilson-bill-self-explains-his-plan-for-kansas-in-2019-20/ ↗

Oh my, this is quality content from CJ. As expected but still.

The way Bill talks about Silvio 🤤🤤

Well worth a sub. https://theathletic.com/1021772/2019/06/12/after-adding-jalen-wilson-bill-self-explains-his-plan-for-kansas-in-2019-20/ ↗

Exactly. Even grad transfers get it. Tucker was a bidding war, for example. Want to clean up the game? Bring this stuff into the open. Nobody has followed the amatuerism model since it got started. To call it a farce is an insult to farces (which are actually funny)

This isn’t about OAD’s. The guys who were in the thick of this ish weren’t even considered OAD’s: Silvio and Tugs Bowen. This goes waaaaaaay higher than the top 10-15 kids.

Also the NCAA can go choke on a bag of Richards. I’ll never forget they made a Czech grad transfer dig up 4 years of per diems and meal receipts, then took 3 months to process them all to ensure she wasn’t paid a dime. Almost made her delay her master’s by a year. But blah blah student athlete welfare like they give a rat’s ass about anything but cashing checks.

From Wilcox’s quotes, seems like the NCAA already has its mind made up before it even sits down with witnesses. I’ll say that if their entire case is a wiretap without the full conversation, it’s a Charmin soft case. We only know what Code’s lawyer said, not the entire transcript. Fact of the trial is KU didn’t know about Silvio or Billy. KU only admitted Gassnola was hypothetically a booster for the purposes of the Silvio case, nothing else.

Fact is they have more on 6 schools I can think of: LSU, Zona, USC, Auburn, Okie Lite, and Louisville. If they vacate wins and add sanctions for us, those schools should get the death penalty.

rockchalkwyo said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

1:4 Silvio tea bags Hurt

My goodness. The perfect post

Thank you good sir.

1:4 Silvio tea bags Hurt

We good. They have jack s#!+

Honestly it's a better team than we had last year. Dotson > Dotson. Moss > Grimes. Ochai > Vick. Silvio < Dedric. Doke = Doke. And the bench is better. Garrett should be better since he won’t have to do as much. McCormack is a beast for a 3rd big. Wilson lets us play small. And I like McBride a lot more than Chuck.

I'm super stoked for this matchup. Big contrast in styles, experience, and likability. I like KU to absolutely work the Devils in this one:

G: Dotson = Jones

This is a tough matchup to nail down. Jones is a really good defender, but not sure he can stay with Dotson in transition or if Devon drives it. Devon really needs to stay out of foul trouble. If Jones keeps shooting poorly, I'll like KU here.

G: Moss > Stanley

I don't love Stanley as much as some. He's a freak show athlete, but his skill level isn't great for a 2. Moss is bigger, a better shooter, and really improved defensively last year. Wait until Self gets ahold of him!

G: Agbaji > Moore
Word out of workouts is Ochai is primed for some kind of year, and don't be surprised if this is his last year in Lawrence. Moore is a good player too and very long for a wing. Ochai may have some trouble scoring, but should get a bunch of looks on lobs if K wants to play zone.

F: Silvio < Hurt

Silvio is still kind of an unknown given that he hasn't played in over a year. At very least, he'll work Hurt on the boards. I don't know if Silvio will be great at defending Hurt in space, and whether Hurt is consistent enough as a shooter to make it a real threat. He's just such a good passer that he could do some damage.

F: Doke >>>>> Carey

Carey is about an overrated a top 5 prospect as I've seen in a long time. Not really a motor to speak of and he thinks he's a guard half the time. Also Doke is going to be angry. You don't mess with Doke when he's angry. Carey has never seen anyone like Doke. Carey could be an issue if he can step out and shoot or drive. In some cases we may need to go small. Which leads me to...

Bench: KU >>>>> dook.

No real contest here. K's squad is really only working with a couple serviceable guys off the bench in DeLaurier, O'Connell, and White/Baker (are they the same person?). KU rolls in with Big Dave, Garrett, and now Jalen Wilson. Gives us great positional versatility to go big or small. It would be fun to watch Wilson guard Hurt and Silvio guard Carey. And no doubt Garrett can lock down anyone on dook's roster other than Carey.

If KU even kind of shoots it ok, could be a 15 point game. Even though this specific group hasn't played much together, they all have experience in high level college basketball. Every starter has played in and won a NCAA Tournament game. Silvio and Doke played in a Final Four. And Self doesn't like losing these games. Remember how he coached circles around another inexperienced dook team? Easy to see a repeat here.

Sorry for the long post. I'm just excited and on staycation!

It's been done for awhile now. Good times all around!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BynuNCKHFQU/?igshid=wzd93adqlxvb ↗

Oh you 100% take a flyer on him. Just keep in mind he may end up as Justin Wesley.

Don't get me wrong, he has a chance to be good, but like Fran says, he's two years away from being two years away. Maybe not quite that long, but you get the gist.

I would pump the brakes on Wur just a bit. Had someone tell me he's basically Moulaye Niang with a much higher ceiling at this point.

He's just going to tweet it out. No ceremony or anything

Probably. He was waaaaay more productive in HS than Bilau. Maybe Bilau wasn't interested in redshirting?

I'm not 100% sure. Could be as simple as they like Wur more.

No visit from Bilau.

jayballer73 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

@jayballer73 i think Self is serious about filling it. I kind of think he likes taking these kinds of guys on and seeing what he can do to develop them. Self wants the last visit with Bilau. If his grades are all good I think we offer.

So your thinking is - -we would reach out to him before this other guy? - - I kind of like Bilau got a little range - some rim protection - hop a little. - maybe take that chance? - Again though I know there was talk about him making a visit - I just hadn't heard any specific date - do you know ? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

The staff is in contact with both. I’d guess Bilau visits first, but neither has been offered. Neither will until the staff sees them. Self wants Bilau to visit KU last, so they’ll figure out a date once Bilau is done taking visits to states not named Kansas. I don’t know anything about a potential visit from Wür. He wasn’t even cleared for NCAA competition until this week.

Not gonna lie, I really like the cut of this team’s jib

@jayballer73 i think Self is serious about filling it. I kind of think he likes taking these kinds of guys on and seeing what he can do to develop them. Self wants the last visit with Bilau. If his grades are all good I think we offer.

BShark said:

@FarmerJayhawk https://247sports.com/Article/Texas-AM-Aggies-basketball-recruiting-2019-forward-Wur-declared-academically-eligible-talks-AM-offer-132765551/ ↗

A lot to work with there. That FT% is really intriguing as far as perimeter shooting potential.

@BShark I concur. Good strategy to take a flier on a guy with #13. Assuming Wilson we won’t need that spot anyhow.

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

New potential target. High ceiling dude. Wasn’t really recruited because everyone thought he was going JuCo (because he was). https://247sports.com/Player/Lk-Wur-46081610/ ↗

Better than Bilau?

Honestly don’t know. I like Bilau just because he fills a position of need moving forward but Wür has a really high ceiling too.

New potential target. High ceiling dude. Wasn’t really recruited because everyone thought he was going JuCo (because he was). https://247sports.com/Player/Lk-Wur-46081610/ ↗

@rockchalkwyo Kansas

BShark said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I think we'll be okay without him if that's what happens. I like the current roster a lot.

Agree. I think he's coming but he's pretty much Brannen Greene (but not crazy).

A lot more skilled but a way worse shooter than Brannen.

HighEliteMajor said:

Something on snapchat I guess .. never snapchatted. But I won't sleep well tonight. Wonder if the announcement will get pushed back? Crap. And who is coach Pinkins at Florida? Didn't know they were in this.

Sleep well my man.

jayballer73 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

jayballer73 said:

BShark said:

No shot at Brow

No shot at Todd - - - here we go again

KU can get Todd IMO. Long way to go though.

He has North Carolina written all over him

I don’t think so. He’s a Raleigh kid. I don’t think he stays in NC. At least UNC peeps don’t think so.