It appears that UNC will not even make the tournament this year.
Marco
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
HighEliteMajor said:
So if I’m an opposing coach, I would want the ball in Dave’s hands 15 feet from the basket every possession. So there is that. Dave can’t put it on the floor and drive. Dave can’t pass. Dave fumbles the ball around when there is any pressure much of the time. Dave shooting from 15 feet would make any sane opposing coach happy.
The 3/2 is dependent on Silvio somehow becoming the player we expected, OR possibly playing a guard, like Brain, as the “high”? The latter simply spit ballin’.
Silvio sucks at this point, simple as that. I also never said anything about McCormack needing to put the ball on the ground. 15' is about the extent of his range so if opposing coaches are giving him that, I'm telling him to take that shot every time he's left alone there because he's going to hit that shot about 60-65% of the time from there. If opposing defenses never adjust to that, then McCormack ends up with some 20 point games on a good night. If they do adjust, then the lanes open up for the guards to drive and the paint opens up for Doke down low.
As a basketball coach, I was told to not adjust your line up to the other team, especially if you had the superior talent which KU does against just about everyone on their schedule. You stay in your lane and force the other team to adjust to you and KU's current roster isn't suited for a 4 guard offense because of the lack of shooting. It's suited for a traditional offense with 2 traditional bigs and Self needs to fully embrace bully ball to make that run this year.
If Silvio doesn't come back next year he is a fool, but to honest - call me callous - I'm not sure that I want him to come back. Enaruna needs to play more next year (probably should play more now, but - you know Bill - it's not going to happen).
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
@FarmerJayhawk I don't see him going anywhere.
helps if you have your eyes open , then you might . -- The chances are better then you think , as many as pointed out to as why. -not saying for sure 100 % that he does - -but the chances are a lot better of it happening then you think.
If he does it isn't going to be the end of the world. - Bill is a good Coach but there are other good Coaches. KU never has and never will have a problem attracting a name Coach. - Do I ant him to go ? -- Ummm no - -is the chance of him leaving legit ? -- Very much so
Why do I have to have my eyes open? Wait a minute, he's already started walking away? Damn, I missed it.
BShark said:
I'll take bets with anyone here that he doesn't leave after this season. Barring an NCAA ban of Self, of course. That would seem rather harsh though.
Oh, if he is banned - which I don't see happening - no doubt he'll be gone.
drgnslayr said:
We have a long, fast athletic team and players who have bought in to playing defense. We also have a catalyst in Marcus.
I'm not ready to give them a defensive trophy yet. They still have a ways to go. They still don't smother like a Nova team. If they did that, no one in this country could beat us or even come close because they wouldn't score more than 40 pts.
To get to that level, we still need to bump it up a gear. I hope we get there by March.
Last night was more of a show of where ISU is this year. A weak team up to now. That explains winning at a 50% clip.
This team will definitely expose all opponents who are weak. I think we get a bump because other teams respect us a bit too much. And to the naked eye, we just look flat out amazing from a size and athletic view. But take last night for example... ISU still launched up plenty of trey shots that didn't fall and weren't contested. This is where we received too much respect. Those shooters were thinking less about netting the shot and more about a KU defender coming in from blind side to smoke their shots.
I don't want to appear negative, because I'm not. I'm happy where we are in January but I'm realistic to think we still aren't a Final Four team yet not only because of offense having kinks. Let's just hope we continue to improve at this rate. We will get there!
I like that they didn't let up, like in years past. They put their foot on the throat and left it there.
approxinfinity said:
His brother Juaqin will have to carry the torch as new head coach.
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Lol! By the way (haven't seen it), is Joker good?
BShark said:
Roy has gone Bruce. Oh no.
I hear you.... "But it's not my fault..!"
@kjayhawks It's all good....!
BeddieKU23 said:
Watching the Baylor/Tech game some things stood out.
Baylor does not play zone with this group. They have 5 guards that can play with anyone. Vital rebounds (he's a pest), Clark is still not 100% and Gillespie is a glue blue collar guy out there. Tough team to play against.
Tech is super small, don't have a player over 6'7 in the lineup. Holyfield and Clarke are really stretch bigs that can handle it especially Clarke who's really a PG out there and their best passer. Ramsey is their best player, sort of in the Jarrett Culver mold. Can't imagine he sticks around for year two the way he's playing.
We're about to find out how good our 4 guard lineup can really be facing these two clubs. Both these clubs will go 5 out at times on offensive sets which we all know is KU's Achilles heal
Both defend at a high level. Tech defends the 3 point line like their life depends on it @HighEliteMajor.
Another defensive principle that you usually don't see. Tech won't trap the post entry but they will bait you to go over your right shoulder and bring a secondary defender over to either block the shot, foul, take a charge or double team the player going up for a shot. I saw this numerous times where Baylor didn't recognize or didn't run a guard or player cutting to the hoop for an easy basket. Tech figured the player wouldn't be savvy enough to pass it and it was effective defensive tactic. Beard is a dude
Beard is definitely a dude, can flat out coach! It will be interesting to see where Tech finishes this year. Do you want a crystal ball prediction (though a no-brainer)? It is going to be damn hard for them to keep him in Lubbock. Once Shaka gets canned the Longhorns will come calling.
Has anyone seen Butler or San Diego State play this year? How good are those guys, really? I haven't seen them play.
BeddieKU23 said:
Grimes had one of those games, 4 points, 2-9 shooting, 0-5 from 3. Remind anyone of last year??
I wish the guy success, but do not miss him being on our team - not one bit.
approxinfinity said:
Seems like a no no to call your team "not gifted".
If ever there was a year for Roy to tell and teach his team to play dog defense and rebound I think that this be it.
BeddieKU23 said:
Yup we did recruit Tshiebwe but West Virginia had the inside track with him from the beginning so there wasn't much we could do in that recruitment. Knowing what kind of player he was coming into College it's no surprise how he played against us in Allen. He'll be in the NBA next year.
As I recall Kentucky wanted him pretty badly too.
@BeddieKU23 Interesting indeed. It is already paying off.
HighEliteMajor said:
@BeddieKU23 One wonders what a change in focus would have brought us over the past 10 years, recruiting wise, seeing Agbaji and Braun. I suspect it might have rendered better return than the mostly empty chasing of the presumed OADs. Add Brauns and Agbajis to the Wilsons, Enanuras, etc. - guys like that who have high level talent as well. But hey, we got one season of Kelly Oubre, so we have that ... and we can say he's in the NBA. I know that really excites me.
What you just brought up is not a mute point.... Personally, I say recruit the hell out of the Agbajis and Brauns of the world - they're winners. When we land a bigtime recruit - and we have and will - that is fine and good, but there is bigtime talent being brought up in Wichita and KC that cannot be ignored.
BShark said:
@kjayhawks svisus was 16 so that is part of it.
True, but Svi was damn near semi-pro if I am not mistaken. Braun is fresh out of a midwest high school. I hope that he can grow about 2 more inches - with his balling abilities!
@BShark I'm good with Harris next year. A raw Devonte with good size and length; a pass first type that likes to D up and who plays with a controlled motor.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
How has SMART got all those great bigs? 🤔
How does Smart still have a job? Man, I hope we can make some inroads into Texas before they get a real coach.
kjayhawks said:
@Marco I enjoy when we can get some local guys. It’s hard sometimes not only because of the talent level at times but kids want to play right away and I don’t blame them.
True.... And, oh,, is Braun playing... Keep the Mo-Kan KC pipeline open Bill. And I am not shortchanging Agbaji either - future pro - or Harris.
kjayhawks said:
I mean no disrespect to these young men and glad they handled the situation. I have talked a few friends down in my day and it’s not a fun situation. But I won’t sugar coat what a terrible place I believe most of Missouri to be in general from my personal experiences.
And it is true, I give you that. But she was not offering a critique on the decline of certain sectors of America, but a great story. A person does not have to add, "yeah, but it is a total shithole." That's all. Yes, there are shitholes in this country and everywhere else, but she wasn't talking about that. We need to sometimes appreciate things for what they are.
kjayhawks said:
Once this kid hits the weight room, look out!
I've liked this kid since before he was signed. He is a freaking gamer! He needed to only get used to the pace and competition. Look out!
BeddieKU23 said:
Good game between baylor and Tech. The refs as always though are making it hard to enjoy. Baylor just had a layup negated on a charge that should never be called in the game. Just further promotes camping in the lane and jacking up 3s
Baylor is going to be a tough out.
DanR said:
@Marco You're not the only one with high expectations for Braun! Long arms, thick ankles and big uh, ... attitude. I've loved the guy since day one, along with Tristan Enaranu, Isaiah Moss and Silvio -- all still high on the list of guys we want to see excel.
All in on everything you just said.
What I see is a cat who is still growing, can handle the ball and makes great passes, plays inside and out while playing D and makes others better. Am I missing something?
Pro.
BShark said:
A video leaked that wasn't supposed to.
Good or bad?
Now, let's get back on point (I usually love @HighEliteMajor for his candor, just not this time), Braun is not only a great person but also a baller! He's going to star at Kansas. Am I the only one who sees Braun's pro potential.
BShark said:
It's going to be part of a documentary. Rod Thompson actually talked to this guy and asked him to delete it. The YouTube video was supposed to be private for the time being.
I'm missing something. What's the story?
...... Now,,,, things are working themselves out.
BShark said:
@Marco Hoiberg won't be back. Prohm is awful though, maybe the worst coach in the B12.
Really, you think so? I don't. I give that honor to Smart, with all of the talent that he's had.
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
@jayballer73 #15 on offense somehow too. Sometimes it's hard to see as we are spoiled but this is a great team.
ya your right bud. - -I think we as fans sometimes never satisified, that includes me for sure. - -like you say hard to see , but Man - can you imagine , just a little bit more and if we put a full 40 minutes on both sides of the floor - - OMG.
These guys I am seeing now have a real chance to be right there on the threshold - -I mean sure come tourney time it becomes a crap shoot, but DAM man - how long has it been since we have had a defense like this ?
I mean I have heard others talk, and really talk up this defense, guess I was just kind of slow but Seth Green burg talking up our defense - -and hearing how long we are - gets me excited.
I know that we are # 3 like shooting the 2 just some things we need to clean up just a little - -let's do this. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I am down with our team! Finally playing D. Can we tighten up on defending the 3 ball? Sure. And I think that we will. I'll be honest here, I like our chances.
BShark said:
Marco said:
Iowa State would be fools to fire Prohm, and there have been rumblings.
They can do better. He is a chucklehead.
Do you really think so? Who, Hoiberg? If that is the answer,,,,, well, then yes.
@Crimsonorblue22 Sometimes people just think or do things because they should, huh?
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
Why, when someone posts such an uplifting story would someone feel the need to post negative things? Man, I am so glad that I am not wired that way.
Who did that ? - - I missed it. - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Scroll up.
Why, when someone posts such an uplifting story would someone feel the need to post negative things? Man, I am so glad that I am not wired that way. Great life stories should be left alone - they can stand on their own. Do I have opinions? Yes. But not when it comes to destroying great true stories.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@Marco not you! Love your story, surely you could tell❤️😇
Now that I read the other posts yeah, I can tell.
Hmm.... Glad I'm not a shoe booster.
Iowa State would be fools to fire Prohm, and there have been rumblings.
BShark said:
@Marco Tyon is a dog. The other two never see the floor for KU next year, maybe ever but both are fine to have signed.
I'm with you on Tyon, disagree on Muscadin though.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
SR Dotson would likely be the single greatest guard season under Bill. We haven't seen a trajectory like this at KU under Bill that I can recall. Outside of three point percentage his numbers aren't that far off of SR Frank. Guessing some people don't want to see it to hold out hope for him staying.
That's saying a lot given the Sr year Mason had but its certainly possible given how advanced his role is compared to where Frank/Devonte were at this time. If he really did elevate his jump shot and play-making to the next level there's no reason to think he wouldn't be a rockstar. Given how much Frank/Devonte improved Jr/Sr year under this staff its not out of the question.
Imagine Jr Dotson, Sr Garrett, Jr Agbaji, Soph Braun, Jr McCormack in the starting 5.. WoW
Not saying you are but for anyone wondering or thinking I'm super far off just directly compare Dotson this year to Frank's SR year on sports reference. Now obviously Dotson could plateau and this is 99% a moot point anyway but it's fun to think about.
Like @jayballer73 I don't think Bryce is a bench player. Even in this situation I think Braun still comes off the bench.I
Garrett Thompson Agbaji Braun Dave is still very good. :)
That lineup is great, and don't discount the other players that we have signed. You missed one though, Enaruna. He is going to be a stud.
jayballer73 said:
You can mark it down I do believe. - - Gonzaga will be the next to take a hit while being number 1. - - League not really stiff challenge - BUT they really struggled with Portland , they struggled against Pepperdine - -somebody gonna jump up and bite them - watch
Gonzaga is way overrated. People can say what they want about this year's KU team, I say this, we can win the national championship. We have great pieces, some that are nowhere near their ceilings.
BeddieKU23 said:
Well neither may stick in the league but I'm going to remain optimistic.
I think there's little chance Dotson doesn't get drafted at least as a 2nd round pick. He's been holding steady as a 2nd rounder since last year and the most recent update from ESPN (who have guys plugged into the league/GM's) had him going 51st. He's the leading scorer at Kansas. The last two PG's that led their team in scoring both got drafted in the 2nd round (Mason, Graham). A lot of season left for him to elevate his profile.
I knew that Graham given the right circumstances - Charlotte is perfect, considering he is from North Carolina and they traded Kemba - could make it in the league, and Mason still can as well. I think that the Knicks, for example, could use a Frank Mason.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Way to screw up a great story!
I wasn't trying to screw anything up, sorry.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
https://missouri.rivals.com/news/tragedy-averted-we-just-saved-someone-s-life- ↗
Thanks for sharing that. I too saved someone's life, though it was on a train platform in another country. I didn't do it to be a hero or because I wanted to feel good - I did it because I should.
BeddieKU23 said:
I wouldn't count out Doke just yet. Although I think its a longshot I can see him making a G-League team and someone taking a chance on developing him. You can't teach his size. He's only 20 years old. Not saying he'll be drafted but I do think he'll get a look or two from someone intrigued with him.
Dok is a great college player, and I hope that he gets his degree - he will not be an NBA player nor will Dotson. The players now on our roster who have a chance to be in the NBA : Agbaji, Enaruna, Braun and Harris.
tundrahok said:
jayballer73 said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
And Then there is Devonte graham!
he IS NOT a Devonte Graham
Not yet. Devonte wasn't Devonte in his second year. Couldn't Dot improve similarly with another 2.5 seasons of seasoning?
He doesn't have the size or game of Devonte, and never will.
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
He has nothing to gain by coming back to Kansas.
maybe - -but he sure the hell has got ALOT to lose by leaving - -we will not go drafted at THIS point if he doesn't get it together. - he has not improved, if anything he has regressed - I mean it's no sweat of my butt just bringing up what Seth was talking about. - -You figure the number of underclassmen declaring and then going un-drafted - - Devon right now is no better then so many of these others.
I mean we all know he isn't coming back - big reason we have these other people , we already knew that before the season began, just feel sorry for the kid because he is just not making the steps that the NBA is looking for from him at this point.
I don't get it either, @jayballer73. There are only so many professional spots available, even overseas where in many countries there are limits on the number of foreign players that each team can have.
BShark said:
He has absolutely not regressed. That's wild talk.
I didn't say that he regressed, but he hasn't improved either. Therefore, he has hurt his stock.
BShark said:
He has nothing to gain by coming back to Kansas.
You're right, not if wanting to build draft stock. Will he be drafted? Yes. Will he be in the league? Not for long. I think he has actually hurt his stock by coming back this year. He doesn't have an NBA game.
jayballer73 said:
I think Seth Greenburg making a pretty good point. He was talking at half time during the West Virginia and Oklahoma State game.
He was talking about how there is no dominant take over guy this year in College basketball. - -Talking about all these under class men declaring for the NBA.
Last 3 years 64 - - 79 - - 84 underclassmen declaring for the NBA. - he says you realize there is only 60 players drafted in two rounds - -so these guys declaring and then going un drafted. - - Saying you realize how much so and so how much more a particular team would of been if these guys would of came back for one more year.
Something to think about - - now you know it - -and I know it but how beneficial would it be for Devon to come back yet another year? - It's not going to happen BUT would be a lot more beneficial for him cause he has not taken that step so far this season to declare. but chances are he will declare go un drafted and lose his final two years of eligibility in College and waste the talent he does have, - again look how many is declaring and how many get drafted - -not good ods. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Dotson will probably leave after this season, and will - wait for it,,,, wait for it - be an NBA bust. He should stay in school and graduate. I'm not saying that he is a terrible player, but he is not an NBA one either.