@benshawks08 said in Peyton Manning Game Thread:
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Is this concerning to anyone else? Not loving those comparisons.
No, because the only one of those players who played the same position was Xavier Henry who had a strong freshmen year finishing second in scoring behind Sherron Collins and was north of 40% on his 3 point attempts. If Gradey Dick ends up with similar numbers to Xavier Henry, I'll take that right now.
Gradey's defense has been a very pleasant surprise so far.
Peja Stojakovic's kid chose Stanford today.
With KU gaining bowl eligibility, the new longest active bowl drought among Power 5 school belongs to Nebraska.
@benshawks08 said in Dare yourselves to be optimistic! KU Football:
Ok. Figured this was the thread for such a question. Am I wrong or does Kansas still have an outside chance of playing in the big 12 championship game? With three games left on the schedule, KU is 3 games back of the 1 spot and even if TCU lost out, the records would be tied and TCU owns the head to head.
But, Texas, Baylor, and KSU are all 4-2 in conference play while KU is 3-3. Games against Texas and KSU could allow KU to square those records AND own the tie breaker. So it would just be up to Baylor to lose two of the last three. Right? Would seriously love a rematch with TCU.
I believe KU would have the tie breaker in a 4 way tie situation between, KU, KSU, Baylor, and Texas because KU would have the better overall record since KU went 3-0 in non-confernce and the other three went 2-1. That's a situation that won't happen though because both us and Baylor still have to play KSU and Texas so there's not a scenario where those 4 schools all end up at 6-3 in conference play.
HOUSTON ASTROS 2022 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS!!! HATERS CAN SUCK IT!
There is an absolutely batshit crazy game going on in Dallas between Houston and SMU. With 3:37 left, SMU leads Houston 77-63. There has been about 1,300 yards of offense so far and SMU's QB has thrown 9 TD passes while Tune for UH has 7 TD passes.
@dylans said in The 5 spot:
I need to watch more apparently. Just saw about half of the first half. Udeh is 6’10”? but I thought he looked 6’6” maybe I had him confused with another player. Lots of new faces.
You might be thinking of Zuby Ejiofor who is listed at 6-9, 240 on KU's roster.
@stoptheflop said in Okie St. Pokie Game:
@Texas-Hawk-10 #10, what did you think of the offensive play calling? Especially in the red zone. Too conservative with all the center runs or just being safe to avoid mistakes?
Didn't get to watch the game because I was at the Texas Renaissance Festival today and had to follow on my phone.
@dylans said in TCU Shenanigans:
@stoptheflop I have never once seen anyone wearing a piece of TCU apparel. I wonder how large their fanbase actually is?
Not very big. They have one of the smallest alumni bases among P5 schools and is largely in the DFW metroplex. I've lived in Houston for 30 years and can count on one hand the number of TCU alums I've met over that time.
Likely bowl games would be the First Responders Bowl Dec. 27 at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas, the Liberty Bowl in Memphis on Dec. 28, the Texas Bowl at NRG Stadium in Houston also on Dec. 28, or the Cheez-It Bowl at Camping World Stadium in Orlando on Dec. 29.
If KU makes the Liberty or Cheez-It Bowls, it be KU's second appearance in each bowl as KU previously lost to NC State in each bowl game (1973 Liberty Bowl and 2003 Tangerine Bowl).
@jayballer67 said in Gonzaga?:
I just don't want to be checking the schedule and reading KU at Gonzaga, game time 10:00 Central time like on a Monday night or something.
If we do expand like sounds pretty likely at some point and don't really think that far off. - -If we end up with the 4 corner Schools Arizona -- -Arizona State - -Colorado --& Utah - -your gonna get that same thing Gonzaga or not. - -So if were gonna do it with Arizona then for sure might as well with Gonzaga
10pm Central start times likely wouldn't happen very frequently with a KU-Gonzaga or KU-Arizona game because those are marquee match ups that ESPN would want in the 8pm slot which would still be 6pm out west.
KU is currently a 1 point favorite over OSU on Saturday. Lots of questions around the statuses of Spencer Sanders not playing and Jalon Daniels returning have led to this. OSU initially opened as a 3.5 point favorite which is much closer than I would've thought even with OSU's performance last week and their terrible secondary.
@DanR said in Pitt State Gorillas Game Thread:
Ass-stros three S's
Don't really give a shit. After Saturday night, you can address them as Champs. I'll be sure to send you a WS Champs shirt.
@DanR said in Pitt State Gorillas Game Thread:
@Jethro They literally caught the ass-stros beating on garbage cans to relay info to the hitters from a camera in the rafters. Not like a runner on second tipping off the batter
Screw off with your "Ass-tros" shit. Every team had a sign stealing system in place. Carlos Beltran is the one who told the Astros about the Yankess system and why the Astros developed their own season. Also doesn't change that the Astros had a better road than home record in 2017 and won that World Series in Dodger Stadium. Keep on hating and the Astros are just gonna keep on winning.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Gonzaga?:
@jayballer67 I’m cool with playing them almost yearly in non-con. Shoot, I know there’s been a ton of interest there in the past. Would the Zags take a low enough payout to keep everyone whole? Idk. That would be my starting point. If they want a penny more it’s a no go
Gonzaga would never get the full share because they wouldn't be bringing their football program up to the Big 12. They would get the value of the basketball side of the TV deal and that's the number that matters and Gonzaga absolutely increases that value to the Big 12.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Gonzaga?:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t think they’re worth $35m, or even close to the number it would take to make everyone whole. They’d have to take a really small payout to make it worth it for the other members.
Of course they're not getting 35 million because they aren't bringing they're football team to the Big 12. Football and basketball have separate media rights deals and Gonzaga increases the basketball side of the Big 12's media deals so they do add value to every other school's payouts.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Gonzaga?:
The only way it makes any sense is if they took a drastically lower payout than the other members, or were some kind of add on that didn’t affect the other payouts. The economic value just isn’t that great.
Gonzaga is a TV draw, Fox is getting ready to join the mix for Big 12 basketball games which means a separate contract so I don't think Gonzaga is going to diminish revenue at all.
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Hard disagree, I'd take them in a heartbeat.
@Kcmatt7 said in Self & Townsend Suspended 4 games (First 4):
I wonder if Dooley gets to be a bench coach for this? This is all super weird if the IARP didn't suggest this.
Yes, Dooley will be on the bench for those 4 games.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Self & Townsend Suspended 4 games (First 4):
@BeddieKU23 3 each yr I'm guessing?
3 total, 1 per year so basically KU will be at 12 scholarship players for the next 3 seasons after this one.
@Woodrow said in Jayhawks in the NBA -- 2022:
Anyone know what happened to Ben McLemore? He doesn't appear to be on any rosters and was wondering if he was hurt or what?
Free agent
Looking at the current B12 standings on ESPN and noticed a weird anomaly in the standings. How many time has a team led a conference in scoring defense, but is winless in league play 5 games in? That's exactly what ISU has done so far. They've only allowed 106 points through 5 games for basically 21 points allowed per game.
So when I've said they're the best defense in the Big 12, I mean that because what that unit has done has been incredible considering just how terrible their offense has been so far only scoring 78 points through 5 Big 12 games.
KU's defense as much as we've ripped it recently is still 7th in scoring defense in the league and better than OSU's scoring defense so maybe the defense is doing a little bit better than we think. The defense is also 17th nationally in turnovers forced so that's another positive to build off of.
OSU isn't a terrible match up for KU like normal because their defense is far below what it normally is and their secondary is actually worse than KU's.
Louisville absolutely went off on Wake Forest in the 3rd quarter scoring 35 points after trailing by one at halftime.
Oklahoma St. also completely no showed today getting shut out 48-0 by KSU.
What the hell is happening in Manhattan? 35-0 KSU at halftime with a backup QB. They might be a much better team with Howard at QB than Martinez. KSU built their lead against TCU with Howard also.
Also, Ohio St. looked beatable today against PSU. That game against Michigan is looking like it could be a CFP elimination game again this year.
TCU still looks on track to challenge for a playoff berth surviving against WVU. Their two toughest games left are each on the road at Texas and then Baylor so not a guarantee they go undefeated because they've been playing with fire having had to come from behind in 3 of their last 4 games.
More bulletin board material. One of the Athletic's writers created a list of the 10 most anticipated college basketball games this upcoming season and not one single KU game was on that list despite preseason #5 Kansas having match ups with 6 other preseason top 15 teams and potentially a 7th depending on how things go in the Bahamas. #4 Kentucky, #5 Baylor, #7 Duke, #12 Texas, #13 Indiana, and #14 TCU are all preseason top 15 teams in which KU has 9 games scheduled and potentially a 10th game if they play #11 Tennessee in the championship of Atlantis. Plus there's also a potential game against Dayton which have classics the last two times they've met.
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The 4-Out Rotation:
@benshawks08 said in The 4-Out Rotation:
@drgnslayr Some people might STILL argue it was a mistake to give Dajuan minutes even though we won the whole thing. Those people will be back this year claiming MJ should be getting more minutes over Dajuan. He doesn't make the obviously outstanding plays so he will always be underappreciated.
We as KU fans are pretty much used to PGs or lead guards that can offer more than what Dajuan offers. Better shooting, scoring, fancy passes, better size, strength, etc. So, it is what it is. I was one of those guys lined up last year to give more minutes to other guys for sure. I'll likely be the same guy this year :(
If we have the ponies around him that can provide things he cannot while he's on the floor, great. If not, maybe fewer minutes for Dajuan, and more or some minutes at least to guys with a more well rounded game.
Here's something else to consider that completely runs counter to this belief. Self has won two national championships with starting PG's that were considered the 4th or 5th scoring option while on the floor. Each was more concerned with facilitating the offense and playing great defense leading to a lot of easy points for their teammates.
We might be more accustomed to Self teams with a lead guard that can score whenever he wants, but his most successful teams were the two that had playmakers rather than scorers running the show.
@benshawks08 The OU one was the only dirty hit of the bunch.
@RockkChalkk Day 1 Gradey Dick is a better player than a year 2 Bobby Pettiford that was less than 100% for most of the off-season.
@BShark said in The 4-Out Rotation:
@kuballin10 said in The 4-Out Rotation:
Great point bshark
After last years run it has completely changed how I enjoy the teamIt was nice for Self to get another one. I don't believe we were the best team last year but you never know what will happen in the tournament and it really goes to show how well Self does with experienced teams. Certainly we had some talent, two guys were drafted but no one would mistake that for even one of the top 5 rosters under Self at KU.
Heck Kentucky ran both of the title game participants out of the building but fell to St Peters in the first round. If Kentucky stays healthy they are the best team in the country this year. Still wouldn't bet on them to win the tournament against the field though.
Disagree about UK being the best team. If everyone stays healthy, I would call Houston the best team in the country. Sasser and Shead might be the best back court in the nation and Sasser is a legit NPOY candidate this season. Plus Kelvin Samspon is also one the top coaches in the country so I think Houston has a very strong chance to return to the Final Four and win a title this season.
As long as Sampson is there, Houston will enter the Big 12 as legit conference contenders along with KU and Baylor.
@bskeet said in Self Dmack Rafters?:
Thank you @Texas-Hawk-10 for correcting and filling in the blanks on the criteria.
It's hard to argue that Ochi's jersey shouldn't be in the rafters. Honestly, it's a done deal. He met the criteria.
However, it's also hard to argue that Dave doesn't deserve to be recognized. A case could be made for Remy too. The main issue is that it's a slippery slope when you loosen the criteria.
For instance, adding conference player of the year adds a number of players historically. And it doesn't get Dave there. So then you need another criteria for that and it will likely add other players too. Pretty soon, the prestige is sullied and the honor watered down.
Personally, I would keep the criteria as they are and develop a new honor for members of a championship team. That helps us not forget critical players like Piper and Newton and Shady and Rush.. and BigDave and Remy.
Conference Player of the Year actually doesn't add anyone that doesn't already have their jersey retired or meets another already established criteria except for Marcus Morris and Doke and Morris already had his jersey retired. KU's conference POY's all time are Dave Robisch, Bud Stallworth, Danny Manning, Jacque Vaughn, Raef LaFrentz, Drew Gooden, Nick Collison, Wayne Simien, Marcus Morris, Thomas Robinson, Frank Mason, Devonte Graham, Udoka Azubuike, and Ochai Agbaji.
Right now, the next jersey going up is likely T-Rob whenever he can make it back during the season. In your list of names, Brandon Rush's jersey is already retired because he was a 2× 1st team All-American.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in No matter what team you pull for:
Hard to get behind cheaters
Every team has a system in place and the Astros haven't stayed this good because of something 5 years ago. 6 straight LCS appearances and 4 WS appearances happens because of talent and ability.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Self Dmack Rafters?:
@Texas-Hawk-10 what about Marcus Garrett? D poy oh you said that.
Doke and Garrett actually split the award that year. Garrett was the Naismith winner and Doke the NABC winner.
@drgnslayr said in The 5 spot:
Perhaps.... but it sure wasn't done because Self wanted him gone and replaced. Self pushed him to leave because this was his time to go, even if he preferred to stick around.
I love the idea... just uncertain of the effectiveness. I think back to Kieff popping the julie from top of the key... it was sweet when it worked. But how effective is it? Your big out there having zero chance of a rebound and taking a shot that is probably best left for a guard. We should always be able to scheme a good trey for a guard.
I hope I'm proven wrong here... would be great if Zach could go 40% from outer space!
Here's what having a 5 who can knock down 3's does, it opens up the paint for guys like Wilson, McCullar, Rice, and Harris to drive and do damage in the middle of the floor because teams would have to guard Clemence on the perimeter.
This is also why KU's best chance this year is if Clemence develops. This team doesn't project to be an elite shooting team, but being able to space the floor and get penetration with the wings and guards is still getting the low post points that Self wants, just not in a traditional way.
Based on last year, Clemence also has the mentality to be an above average low post defender and rebounder because he is tough and he's aggressive. He may not have the ceiling that Udeh has on defense, but Clemence does have the highest overall ceiling of any of the bigs on the roster.
@bskeet said in Self Dmack Rafters?:
Immortality in Rafters:
- MOP of FF
- Consensus 1st team All America = Immortality in Rafters
- Academic All America
I don't know of any other hard and fast rules.
National Player of the Year gets you up there, 2× first team All-American gets you up there, and it's not just Academic All-American, it's the Academic All-American of the Year and was added during the Roy years to get Jacque Vaughn in the rafters and is also why Cole Aldrich is up there.
I'd also like to see National Defensive Player of the Year added along with Conference Player of the Year. NDPOY would cover Doke and Big 12 POY would add Marcus Morris as the only Jayhawks that doesn't meet some other criteria.
@jayballer67 Player availability has a lot to do with when someone goes up into the rafters as well. Players playing in the NBA have typically come back for a ceremony over All-Star weekend while a lot of international players have had to wait until their playing careers are over because they're typically overseas during KU's season. Injuries can also be a factor because that's when Kirk Hinrich went up was while he was out with an injury.
KU needs Clemence to win that job and play the majority of the minutes. He's got the best overall skill set and has the highest ceiling of any of the 5's.
Today is a day where we saw what the real progress of this team is. At this point last year, when KU fumbled it back to Baylor down 28-3 right before halftime, that would've spiraled into a 59-10 loss or something in that neighborhood and we didn't see that today.
We saw the coaching staff make adjustments at halftime and the defense played much better in the 2nd half and gave KU a chance to come back and the team has bought into Leipold and staff which is always nice to see. We also saw the offense play much better in the 2nd half as well.
Hopefully we get JD6 back after the bye week because ESPN has KU with a 36% chance to win each of their next two games which is the best chance for KU to get win number 6.
@jayballer67 said in Third Time's A Charm ? Baylor Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Third Time's A Charm ? Baylor Game Thread:
@jayballer67 said in Third Time's A Charm ? Baylor Game Thread:
@Kcmatt7 said in Third Time's A Charm ? Baylor Game Thread:
JD clearly was the heart and soul of the team.
Clearly, - -But also what has happened to our highly touted running back Stable. - -Expected better from Devin and Co
Bean's not the runner Daniels is so teams haven't had to account for him as much as they did with Daniels.
that doesn't take into account Devin - - Morrison Thomas - -we was suppose to have one of the most talent & deep RB in the Conference
When you have a QB that isn't super accurate and despite his speed, doesn't have great running instincts, it means defenses can key on the back without worrying too much about the QB. What made the offense so dangerous with JD6 was his ability to pull the ball and take off forcing defenses to have to account for him as well. It's much easier to stop Neal and the other backs when you know there isn't much chance of Bean keeping it instead.
@jayballer67 said in Third Time's A Charm ? Baylor Game Thread:
@Kcmatt7 said in Third Time's A Charm ? Baylor Game Thread:
JD clearly was the heart and soul of the team.
Clearly, - -But also what has happened to our highly touted running back Stable. - -Expected better from Devin and Co
Bean's not the runner Daniels is so teams haven't had to account for him as much as they did with Daniels.
@bskeet said in Third Time's A Charm ? Baylor Game Thread:
Very disappointing game. We clearly were a very good team with a very small margin for error. And by that what I mean is we don’t have the depth to absorb injuries. Take Daniels, Hishaw, Bryant, etc out, we are a significantly worse team.
Daniels is the biggest issue and KU desperately needs him back. KU has the depth to not hurt too much from Hishaw's injury and Bryant is a a toss up because he makes aot of big plays, but also gives up a lot of big plays.
@ReggieKansas said in The 5 spot:
@mayjay no sir its just if we look at the traditional 4 and 5 they are usually 6'9 to 7'0. With more guards and wings dominating the ball you don't see the tradition 4 and 5. Having said that my point is kj is 6'7 so being a 5 even in a small lineup is a stretch.
If KJ had any rebounding ability, he'd work as a smallball 5. But his lack of rebounding ability limits how long he can play the 5 spot.
@nwhawkfan said in Third Time's A Charm ? Baylor Game Thread:
My God, what a trainwreck of a half. And it could've been a lot worse.
Job Number One for the coaching staff: Recruit some damn guys who know how to play defense. A new DC wouldn't hurt either.
Switching to Chelsea-Manchester United for a while. At least that game's competitive.
DC isn't the issue. KU just doesn't have B12 talent across the board yet or the depth behind the B12 talent we do have. Fixing the defense was always going to take a lot longer than the offense because it's much easier to mask deficiencies on offense than defense through schemes. KU is also still one of the youngest teams in the country. They will get better, just not overnight.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Coaching succession:
Maybe only the Steelers?
Cowboys as much as I hate to acknowledge it. Landry, Johnson, and Switzer all won Super Bowls.
The Athletic did their mid-season bowl projections and they have a fun one for Kansas that I would love to see happen and would likely attend if it does. They are currently projecting KU into the Liberty Bowl against Missouri in a renewal of the Border War. That sure would be nice if it came to pass.
@benshawks08 said in Dare yourselves to be optimistic! KU Football:
Has KU been favored in any game yet other than the first game? Were they favored against Duke? They will be underdogs in EVERY game from here on out and I saw they have the #1 strength of schedule in the country left to go. I keep going back and forth but pretty much think losing out would still be disappointing, one more win is good, two or more is great. Does losing out help us keep Lance?
I believe KU closed as a favorite against Duke. The only potential game that KU could be favored in the rest of the way is at Texas Tech under 2 circumstances that need to both occur. The first is KU has to have Jalon Daniels back and the second is to have Tech go into that game at 3-6. If one or neither happens, Tech will be favored in that game.
@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Preseason poll is out. KU is 5th which is probably too high.
Tied for 5th with Baylor.
Full top 25 is:
T#5. Baylor
T#5. Kansas
Big 12 and SEC tied with 5 ranked teams each and each with 4 in the top 15. The ACC, Big 10, and Pac 12 have 3 teams each. The Big East has 2 teams and the AAC, A10, MWC, and WCC have 1 team apiece.
There's a lot teams with questions entering the season so I'm fine with KU's rankings. I think it's largely based on knowing Bill Self's history and track record over the last 20 years in what he's done with teams.
@nuleafjhawk said in Matt Tait: KU football regression continues in Week 7; so what comes next?:
@AsadZ Main QB, Main RB and Main Defensive Player. It could have been a WHOLE lot worse.
Hishaw wasn't the main running back and Bryant isn't the main defensive player. Hishaw was the back up RB who played a lot of short yardage situations and his loss has hurt KU's offense as Thomas and Morrison aren't as good in that role. Cobee Bryant isn't even the best corner for KU, that would be Dotson. Bryant has absolutely made some big plays, but he also has been torched multiple times this year and when relievers have had huge days, they've done a lot of their damage when lined up against Bryant. Teams don't throw Dotson's way nearly as frequently because he's the better corner of the two. I would also say that Logan, Phelps, and Young are also more important to KU's success on defense than Bryant has been.
@AsadZ said in (NOT) OK BOOMER GAME THREAD:
@Texas-Hawk-10 The remaining schedule is brutal. Which game(s) do you see as winnable.
With a healthy Jalon Daniels, every game left is a winnable game for KU. Without Daniels, Texas Tech is probably the most winnable game. That doesn't mean I think KU wins every game with Daniels back, but they're capable of winning every game.
@approxinfinity said in (NOT) OK BOOMER GAME THREAD:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in (NOT) OK BOOMER GAME THREAD:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in (NOT) OK BOOMER GAME THREAD:
Does bean have a stronger arm than JD?
Yes, but Daniels has much more precision, accuracy, and touch on his passes. Also much better field vision. I'm not convinced KU wins with Daniels today because of the defense, but I do think KU wins last week and today is more competitive because the score today doesn't really reflect how today went.
I dont think KU wins last week with Jalon. Jalon had hit a wall. I do think he is the better quarterback, just that the 2 halves he played prior to injury were not great.
ISU is the best defense in the Big 12 and just made Quinn Ewers look average and KU made a lot of adjustments in the second half against TCU and with Daniels, I don't think we see the missed passes that played a role in KU's loss.