Oddly, I suspect Cal would not have gotten the nomination if UNC had performed to expectations. Cal may have saved UK's season, while Roy's team showed how things can accelerate from questionable to disaster.
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@stoptheflop Link?
Some more stats:
ACTIVE CASES
44,914 Currently Infected Patients
38,935 (87%) in Mild Condition
5,979 (13%) Serious or Critical
CLOSED CASES
66,554 Cases which had an outcome
62,671 (94%) Recovered / Discharged
3,883 (6%) Deaths
By one study, it seems to be taking on average 14 days from known exposure to onset of symptoms, but serious cases then take a more severe turn in another few days. I cannot remember in detail, but IIRC recovery for these is taking 6 to 8 weeks on average, but this is all so new there hasn't been many "6 to 8 week" periods yet.
It is the number of cases requiring hospitalization/respirators that sets it apart from the flu. Health experts are worried about the hospital system being overwhelmed if millions get infected, as seems likely.
Data updated several times a day for every country here (fascinating to read the timeline, too!):
@Bosthawk I am looking forward to responding to you looking back on this season after it actually ends, so look for my post @ one month from now.
The California Insurance Commissioner ordered insurance companies to cover the cost of testing. Nationally, the president should be working with the states to do the same.
People need to understand that a death rate that is really high, like 30 to 60% for MERS and SARS, keeps the disease from rampaging very far--people get very sick, they are put in care, they die.
It drives me crazy when people focus on whether the death rate is higher or lower than flu. We know how flu spreads; decades of data demonstrates the flu's infectiousness and incubation periods; there are vaccines that even if only 50% effective stiil protect fully half the recipients, and would be more effective if people would stop thinking intuition is better than science; there are antivirals to administer to reduce the severity even when contracted.
The COVID-19 virus is dangerous regardless of the overall fatality rate. The lethality is indeed highly skewed toward the elderly, but it is the lack of ability to identify it before showing symptoms that makes everything about it a game-changer from the flu. Best evidence (including from Europe, not just China) is that incubation could take up to 3 weeks, during which time little is known about how or when it can be spread to new people, all before becoming symptomatic.
For every person bravely saying that they don't fear the virus and so they refuse to restrict their activities or change their habits, please remember the hundreds of people whom you may be in close contact with every week. You might not be afraid of getting infected, but consider this scenario: you catch it from an asymptomatic someone near you at Starbucks, who returned last week from California and whose kid caught it from a teacher who returned on Feb 21 from the Princess ship now off SF and taught for a week before getting symptoms. You spend the next week with no symptoms, and at some point you pass it on to a neighbor, who is a nurse at an assisted living facility, who manages to spread it to others there, including the food service workers who infect 50% of the residents. Public health officials go nuts as up to 25% of the infected residents die. And no one has a clue how it got there.
The point is that younger people have a responsibility to not disregard the huge danger to other people just because they may only get mildly ill. An infection rate of 2 to 3% still means literally hundreds of thousands or even millions of people will die if it spreads throughout the population.
Anyone who says we are close to a vaccine that can prevent the spread of this is lying. Anyone who says we are effectively controlling the spread is wrong. Anyone who says that it is no worse than the flu, and therefore should not be treated differently, is blind.
That does not mean society has to close down. It does mean we have to be very very careful. Remember that even with all we know about how norovirus gets spread (feces--sorry!) studies show between 1/3 to 1/2 of people using publicrestrooms don't wash their hands. Being careful with hygiene can help, but not guarantee, to protect you from the idiots among us.
@BShark Jank, right up front again!
@Crimsonorblue22 Nothing bad. Lots of spring things & repairing to do!
@Crimsonorblue22 said in NOA response from KU discussion:
@mayjay waiting for you and @justanotherfan to weigh in.
Might have to wait awhile. Lots of stuff going on now and it will take some time to digest all that!
@stoptheflop It seemed to me last night that Garrett and Dot were going through the screens, and that Braun and Ochai were switching, leaving Dok in no man's land that led to at least 4 threes. A few teaching moments will no doubt be coming up for our less experienced guards in the next few days.
@kjayhawks said in Circus Font Is Back Game Thread.:
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Moss still a little off tonight haha, good group of young men
When they showed those pictures being taken, I pointed out to my wife how Jank was up front and would be in the foreground of all those pics forever!
I always got a kick out of seeing Matt Kleinmann in every 2008 photo:
@BShark said in Circus Font Is Back Game Thread.:
I can’t wait to cancel ESPN+ as well.
Ding! Ding! Ding! I wonder how may subscrs will be cancelled in the next 24 hrs?
@dylans said in Boy guys I really just don't know best to keep tabs:
My supposition is that only the really sick people get diagnosed correctly.
Problem is, only symptomatic people are being tested. A number of now seriously ill people were allowed to spread because they didn't get sick enough early on to warrant testing. Some dumb restrictions on testing have allowed lots of people to get exposed.
Just a thought: Is the team more likely to get sick tonite since Seniors are at elevated risk?
@kjayhawks Moretti must be one of the all time worst clutch players in any sport. What was that shot-put with 4 secs left?
@tundrahok I have read so many versions of quotes over the years as related by different reporters that it could have been intentional, or it could easily have been what the two different reporters thought they heard. I doubt they were provided transcripts.
TCU has one of the few chances that come up to beat the top 2 teams in consecutive games. Hope they just party a lot over this one!
The start time was a strategic decision to keep the crowd more peaceful, since on usual days most of them should only be on their second 6-packs by then.
@Marco "Gentlemen!!! You can't fight here! This is the War Room!"
@jayballer73 said in My NCAA Prediction . . .:
the Japanese Pro baseball teams are now playing their games in empty stadiums
That could be what happens with the tourney--empty arenas. (CBS might be thrilled with the ratings.)
At least Oklahoma and Texas (if the Horns could somehow get in) might feel at home!
Before it begins in 3 weeks, we could well see cancellation of the whole tournament. The Coronavirus isn't going away soon, and it has taken less than a month to go from a regional epidemic causing a few travel bans to parts of China, to a major international emergency that is closing some borders, disrupting businesses, creating havoc in the stock market (over 10% down in a week), and roiling travel arrangements throughout the world. Millions in quarantine in China, thousands in Europe with parts of Italy completely closed off, and it has now spread to Brazil during Carnival and to at least 1 airline flight attendant who served hundreds before having symptoms.
I cannot see how it will play out, but so far 3 countries including Japan have closed all schools and the CDC says we need to start preparing here ("a matter of when, not if, it spreads to the US").
Now we also have it spreading to at least 1 person in California and 1 in Germany for whom no known contact with anyone positive can be traced. With test kits only available in 3 states for now, it is going to get very very strange out there.
It is not as fatal as some other diseases, but this one is pretty unique because people can be infectious before having symptoms. That is why these shutdowns are occurring on such a large scale. I can only imagine how the CDC will react to thousands of basketball fans fanning out across the country if we see very many more cases of spreading without identified vectors.
I have tried to tell you all before, you have a strangely magical thinking about litigation. Not going to belabor it, but KU as a member of the NCAA has voluntarily agreed to be subject to their disciplinary rules. Courts will generally allow private organizations to follow their rules provided they actually do so. KU can try to establish that any discipline imposed was a result of unfair application of their rules, but if KU violated any rules a court isn't likely to give 2 s---ts whether other schools have gone unpunished.
Courts review private adjudications for procedural fairness. It is not likely they will allow KU to drag in anyone to prove Zion or anyone received anything from other schools unless they can get some proof that some decision at the NCAA was made by someone with a proven bias or chose to engage in selective prosecution for an invalid reason.
"Invalid reason" does not include a desire to make an example of you. To draw an analogy, let's say you got pulled over out of 25 drivers and you feel you were singled out. But the police are not required to pull everybody over. If you were the only black driver and you got pulled over, an inference of improper motive could be drawn because there has been proven numerous policies of profiling over the years. But if you were going 90 and routinely passing every other speeder, you might find no sympathy even if another guy was going 95 at times.
Choosing to go after KU because it is an adidas school isn't a violation of fundamental fairness unless there is evidence of an improper motive. But the lawsuit can't be a fishing expedition to find that evidence--you need something to cross the threshhold first.
In this case, the NCAA ruling will likely come down to whether there is a credibility derermination to be made when/if KU staff tries to establish lack of any reason to believe, or investigate whether, adidas employees were engaged in illegitimate recruiting tactics. Credibility determinations are among the hardest issues to challenge, and any challenge would likely be based on the difference between an inference "possible" from the tapes and texts, as opposed to an inference "probable" from that evidence. Trying to relitigate that in court is usually problematic at best.
I actually believe the KU threats to litigate this to Kingdom Come are posturing that will eventually result in a settlement. If KU has actual admissions of bias from an NCAA whistleblower, obviously that suspicion on my part is less likely, but I doubt it exists. I think KU will get a settlement that vacates the final 4 and SDS's games that year (goodbye "Streak") and that puts KU on probation for a few years with a loss of a scollie or 2 for 3 years or so. Maybe a finding of lack of institutional control by failing to supervise adidas. But no finding of coach actual knowledge and so no separate sanctions against the staff including HCBS (except perhaps maybe a restriction on recruiting contacts or visits as part of the general findings). This could change if the charge of withholding evidence (Bill's phone) ends up being an actual attempt to cover up bad stuff as opposed to just missing a procedural deadline.
I think there will not be a tourney ban because Preston never played.
@Texas-Hawk-10 That Maryland win seemed almost inevitable as down the stretch player after player on Minnesota seemed determined to make stupider plays than the previous one. Pitino needed to call a timeout and calm them down when it got to 6 but he let it go despite having 2 to use. By the time he did, Gophers were in desperation mode, with players doing the "I want to be the hero!" thing. Very sad.
Any time anyone feels like insulting somewhere, just feel free to substitute "South Carolina."
It is wonderfully cathartic, and no one on the board is likely to take it personally -- certainly not me!
@benshawks08 My guess is the draft evaluations are what he is referring to.
And would you be surprised if HCBS made a point of telling Doke not to pay attention to those?
@jayballer73 said in Nasty write:
@BeddieKU23 said in Nasty write:
He has a punchable face..
Lol , now I was told we should always play nice lol
Punching him in the face would be nice!
@BeddieKU23 Makes little sense for SDS and Dave to go up and Moss to stay level...
@wissox It sure shocked the heck out of everybody, and made that championship a lot of fun. Like the 08 comeback--much more fun to remember than one played out like any old game.
The comeback(s) made the Chiefs' playoffs and SB win more special, too, and far more memorable than most!
@jayballer73 said in Sooner or Later OU was sent packing:
I still can remember Billy Packer saying - - OH KU doesn’t wan to get into a running match with Oklahoma
Larry Brown said after the game that getting into a running game in the 1st half was NOT the game plan, so Billy P was actually right on. We had 14 turnovers at half. The only thing that kept KU in it was our ridiculously good shooting (something like 20 of 24 first half, .633 for the game). He made KU slow it down after halftime. Still had 24 TOs for the game. Absolutely mind-bogglingly great clutch performance by the Miracles!!!
Box score:
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@wissox Ha! No, I just remembered seeing complimentary things from that time and since. Actually hated Tubbs back then but probably because they were so good!
@wissox He went to the KU locker room and congratulated them. Also said:
“They did a good job against our press, they got good shots and they were knocking them down,” Tubbs said. “They did an outstanding job. This is a bitter defeat for our team, because we thought we could win it all.” (KC Times)
I think you might be carrying a grudge for 32 years over an imagined, or at least exaggerated, slight!
As to your comments about King, he said this about Manning, which doesn't sound at all arrogant:
“I knew he wanted it bad, and he came out here and proved it tonight,” Oklahoma center Stacey King said.
@wissox said in Sooner or Later OU was sent packing:
After the game I remember distinctly hearing Tubbs saying OU was the better team.
I wouldn't hold that statement against Tubbs. That was the consensus opinion. Rivals in 2007-8 named that OU team one of the 10 best ever in the 64-team tourney era.
And from Manning, in a retrospective 25 years later:
"We knew the best team didn't always win. It was the team that played the best that won."
In my mind Tubbs was absolutely right, which is why most Jayhawk fans spent 48 hours puckered up, hoping against hope. (That was actually the only other time other than the F4 consolation game vs Walton that I have ever dreaded game time arriving!) But beating a better team is precisely what defines greatness.
We went to the SC vs Tenn game this evening. Surprisingly (meaning despite committing 24 fouls, passing so badly they had only 6 assists on 20 buckets, and missing 13 of their first 26 FTs), SC pulled out the game with Kotsar (big bulky Euro forward career 51.7% FT) making 4 straight FTs in the last 21 seconds to win.
Tennessee did not look good either--28 fouls and 20 TOs, including a charge with 7 seconds left that let SC go up by 3. They almost pulled off a Duke/UNC special--SC did the "foul when up by 3" thing with 3 seconds left. Tenn guy made the first, lined the second off the rim and got the rebound, but missed his shot to tie.
Very exciting game despite its technical ugliness! SC and Frank (surprised he didn't hang himself in frustration) Martin still have a chance to make the Dance, but they have 9 losses and might have to win out.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in The democratic nominee:
I'd like to rewrite the constitution.
I like it the way it is, even with all its errors and problems. The problem for Democrats is that for 60 years they won some court cases, changed lots of federal laws, let the federal agencies define those laws, used court cases to enforce those laws, and then found out it doesn't work so well when you forget Tip O'Neill's admonition that all politics is local. They ceded power in state after state to the Repubs, thinking the federal laws would eliminate any resistance.
The constitution isn't to blame. People who think they can rest on court cases and ram-rodded legislation (Obsmacare, anyone?) got blinded by their own success and got lazy.
Changing the constitution because of the idiots on both side abusing it would be nuts. Don't like the absolutist interps of the 2nd Amendment? Call for change! But--you might find that the 1st gets gutted. Don't like the Electoral college?--maybe we say Sayonara to 2 Senators per state. Unhappy with court rulings favoring Trump's minions?--Whoops, there goes judicial review. Always be careful what you wish for when it comes to law and politics.
@BigBad It sort of reminds me of a time back in the 80s when someone told me she was in Germany when the US bombed Libya in response to Libyan agents murdering the Army sergeant in Berlin. She talked about how ashamed she was to be an American when her German friends asked how we could do so a warlike thing.
I said it would be years before I was willing to listen to moral lessons in international relations from Germans.
The thing is, when someone gets all bent out of shape over one lie told by a coach but is willing to let literally hundreds go by his chosen leader, or waxes forever about the breakdown in family values in minority communities but actively advocates for a serial adulterer and accused sex offender to be the leader of the country, or expresses so much disgust over lack of respect in modern society while knowingly and admittedly trying to offend people with racial and sexual jokes, it really undermines the weight of their opinion.
It is fair to consider blatant hypocrisy when assessing an opinion.
@FarmerJayhawk I was 46 during that game and I cried and cried. Didn't help that I handled it worse than everyone around me.
Maybe we figure it will help get the NCAA to drop their case.
@Crimsonorblue22 I have said it before: You are bad, very bad!
@kjayhawks I bet they hardly ever even have a chance at the buzzer, either. Geez, the Orange must have sucked for us to be close...
@BeddieKU23
Graves' shooting was excellent except for missing 5 FTs, which isn't that unusual for a big guy. Nick missed 7!
Maybe the 4 for 20 as a team on 3ptrs had a bit more to do with it. That 1-for-8 by Lee, Langford, and Miles was what should give you the clanking rim nightmares.
@DanR Who said he did? My sigh was wistful regret--I would just rather he had shot it since the block indicates Lee was not open after all. Not blowing the game. All the missed FTs did that.
And I absolutely would prefer his in the rafters over either Morii!
My favorite memories of those times are the fast breaks, with Roy's boys flying down the court in about negative two seconds....
@DanR But...Kirk passed up his chance at the end. Sigh...
I detect the smell of a big NBA contract funding a large donation to the Dept of Ath.
So, Bruce....As your Campus Sexual Assault Reporting Compliance Advisor, I believe you need to report yourself for these admitted assaults to the Office of Campus Protection.
We note that you have stated that the sexual assaults by lipping made the recipients "feel good." If consent is to be your defense, it appears that you need to contact the Title IX Compliance Director because you have offered sexual benefits only to the male student athletes associated with the KSU Men's Basketball Program. However unlikely it might be that any woman would have desired such a buss, nevertheless offering favors solely to males without ensuring an equivalent availabilty of slobber to females is a clear violation.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in NUMBER ONE IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE KANSAS JAYHAWKS:
@BeddieKU23 has it been broke the whole yr?
According to NBC, he fell on it against KSU snd couldn't return to the game. MRI yesterday, and they announced today it's broken.
@jayballer73 Oh, sorry! I only use phone.
@jayballer73 Phone, tablet, or computer? Can you post a screenshot or picture of your "Recent" posting screen?
@Texas-Hawk-10 Actually, we only tuned in for overtime. In just 5 mins, all the mistakes I listed. I didn't even remember FTs cuz the rest was so bad.
It looked like the team was panicking and Roy didn't take charge to get them focused. Those inbounds plays with 17 secs left were utterly unfathomable.
@BeddieKU23 said in Other Games:
Dukes refs finally got their check
No, this was on UNC. Just mistake after mistake. Hero drives for TOs with 3 guys open, failing to inbound the ball, poor passing, poor rebounding, and abysmal defense.
@approxinfinity Worked for me! Created new topic from within kubb and deleted it.
@approxinfinity FYI: I was just looking at someone's profile, and their posts were listed based on "best". I went to mine, same thing. It can be changed to just "posts" and that puts it back to listing them from recent on back. But it looks like it defaults to "best". That is new.
Same for me. Connection is ok without wifi (Verizon, on Samsung Android phone), but back to Category not existing when I try to create a new topic. But I don't have anything new to say anyway.