@KirkIsMyHinrich Raptors are very lucky this series. No KD, less than 100% Klay, less than 100% Iguadala, less than 100% Boogie.
Raptors are absolutely taking advantage of the situation and should be applauded for it because they are a very good team (probably would've beaten Lebron's Cavs), but they're also not getting anywhere bear the Warriors best shot.
@dylans Marcus Garrett was 4th in PER in conference games last year (I'm not counting Doke since he played 1 game last year) at 15.3.
@BShark If Moss came, it would be a line up of Dotson, Moss, Garrett, DeSousa, and Doke and Agbaji would be coming off the bench.
BeddieKU23 said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
@BeddieKU23 Well I won't say no to a 40% 3-point shooter with a lot of experience, but Walker and Bilau would be nice too.
I'd rather have Walker and Bilau for those last 2 spots with Wilson but as you said 40% 3 point shooters dont grow on trees especially after the line was moved back
KU only has 10 scholarship players right now, why wouldn't KU take all 3 if all 3 wanted to pop for KU?
@jayballer73 Nobody is accusing you of bashing Garrett. You're also sounding like you think Garrett has to average 15 a game and be a focal point on offense to make up for his offensive short comings and nobody is suggesting that either.
Even if KU lands Moss and/or Wilson, Marcus will be a starter for KU next season and average 25-30 mpg while averaging somewhere around 7-9 ppg. An uptick in his shooting, more than possible considering he is a career 35% 3 point shooter in B12 games, means teams can't ignore him on the outside. Even when teams where, he was still driving on teams even they were sagging and being very successful with that.
Marcus Garrett will never be an elite offensive player and I haven't seen anyone suggest that, but his shooting numbers suggest he is nowhere near the liability on offense that you are claiming him to be.
@jayballer73 I think you're forgetting that before Garrett's high ankle sprain, the light finally came on for him offensively and he was aggressive with ball. Even after coming back from that injury when he was playing at 60-65%, he was still very efficient from the floor in most games. Only ISU in B12 title game could be considered a bad shooting day for him.
I don't think you're giving Garrett the credit he deserves for adapting to teams sagging him and him still finding ways to score that weren't launching 3's (even still, he is 35% from 3 in B12 play in his career). Garrett is probably the 4th or 5th scoring option, but he'll still have some games where he goes off for 20+ next season while averaging 7-9 ppg this season.
@HighEliteMajor Garrett actually shoots better in conference play than nonconference. If B12 teams want to sag off of him, I'm fine with Garrett taking 2 or 3 outside shots because the averages say he should make at least 1 of them.
If Garrett can make 35% in conference play against mostly better defenses than what he sees in nonconference, that means he can get his overall percentage to that level as well and teams won't sag off a 35% outside shooter.
@justanotherfan Garrett is a career 35% 3 point shooter in B12 games in his career. That's good enough to make teams pay that sag off of him.
@approxinfinity The travel rules are not the same in the NBA and college.
@jayballer73 Garrett is an answer offensively if it's the Garrett the few games before his injury when he was driving and finishing with confidence and authority. I think he had 3 straight 20+ point games before the high ankle sprain so the light had come on for him offensively. He was also shooting the 3 ball with more confidence at that point as well.
This is a team that's going to be relying very heavily on defense anyway and Marcus Garrett is the best defender on this team by a big margin. Don't be shocked when he win B12 DPOY next season.
@Bosthawk I go to 8-10 Rockets games per season. One reason why attendance could be down for NBA games along with other sports is pricing. I have a pretty good connection for tickets so I rarely pay full price for tickets. I usually do for 1 or 2 games a year for high profile games such as LeBron or Golden State.
Those games are very difficult to get tickets for under $150 on the secondary market. Even cheap seats for regular season games for the Rockets start at $35 and parking is $20-25 for anywhere within several blocks of the arena. Even with the free or heavily discounted tickets I get, I'm still paying about $100 for everything else and usually double that at minimum if I have to buy tickets for games. I think the least I spent this last season was including a ticket was about $110 and that was for a nosebleed seat, parking, and concessions that did not include alcohol.
I'm also willing to bet most people here have never gone or very rarely go to NBA games because a lot of posters don't live in close proximity to an NBA franchise.
There is a possible link in the 3 point shooting for KU and that's the 3 point line will officially be moving back over a foot to the FIBA distance. This should cause a reduction in 3 point attempts across the board temporarily like it did the last time the NCAA moved the 3 point line back.
@BShark I'll be happy if Garrett can get north of 30%, maybe even 33%.
Unless KU adds someone, I'm still very skeptical at this point, One or two of those freshmen will have to play because they're going to be the backcourt bench at this point.
@BShark I think KU ends up with 2 players at 37% or better. I think Dotson can be right around 40% and Agabaji could get to at least 35% or better because he was a much better shooter before he got hurt.
KU will be playing with 2 bigs at all times because KU currently has no depth in the back court and 4 frontcourt players that will be in the rotation next year.
The current group KU will be rolling out (Dotson, Grimes, Agbaji, Silvio, and Doke) as the starting 5 should have KU as being one of the elite defensive teams in the country next year. KU will have at least one, and usually 2 rim protectors on the floor at all times. That means Garrett and Agbaji can be ultra aggressive in jumping the passing lanes for easy steals and transition baskets. Because of the defensive abilities of this team, they won't need to score 75+ to win games. A lot of KU games this year will be first one to 60 wins and we need to accept that and embrace that mentality because that's the strength of this team next year is the defense.
@wissox KU played Marquette in the NIT last year in New York, not part of a home and home.
@dylans Basically the only time we don't play UK in the B12/SEC are the years we play UK in the Champions Classic. The last time KU didn't play UK in a non-Champions Classic year was when we had the home and home with Florida.
@KUSTEVE Self never played Marcus at the 3 because he was never quick enough to guard perimeter based players. Same with Perry Ellis when a lot of people wanted to see him at the 3.
HighEliteMajor said:
@Crimsonorblue22 Destined for the Sprint Center ....
This year would be the first year if the home and home and the Colorado game is at AFH. UMKC is the Sprint Center game this year.
Wasn't the last KU game in Boulder only available through buying season tickets to Colorado that season to prevent KU fans from buying up all the tickets? Seems like I remember there not being a very big KU crowd for that game like normal.
@Woodrow The marquee home game is more than likely going to be the B12/SEC game which is more than likely going to be Kentucky since that's KU's typical opponent when they don't play UK in the Champions Classic.
KU has announced their nonconference schedule for 2019-2020 and it's a typical KU nonconference schedule.
Oct. 24 vs. Ft. Hays St. (Exhibition)
Oct. 31 vs. Pitt. St. (Exhibition)
Nov. 5 vs. Duke (Champions Classic, New York)
Nov. 8 vs. UNC-Greensboro
Nov. 15 vs. Monmouth
Nov. 19 vs. East Tenn. St.
Nov. 25-27 (Maui Invitational) (Field is BYU, Chaminade, Dayton, Georgia, Kansas, Michigan St., UCLA, and Virginia Tech)
Dec. 7 vs. Colorado
Dec. 10 vs. UW-Milwaukee
Dec. 14 vs. UMKC (Sprint Center)
Dec. 21 @ Villanova (Big 12/Big East Challenge)
Dec. 29 @ Stanford
Jan. 25 Big 12/SEC Challenge (Likely going to be against Kentucky at AFH)
@BShark Other than Kentucky, that's a pretty logical choice list for Grimes. I would bet either A&M or Houston in the end.
KUSTEVE said:
@BeddieKU23 I don't remember Josh or Wigs saying they were best. Maybe he is the hoopty doo.
Josh Jackson absolutely had that swagger and mentality even of he never verbalized it.
@BShark I hadn't heard that one, but I wouldn't rule it out either because his HS team was only good his senior year in a really weak district.
@BShark Sounds about right for Grimes. The district he played in during HS is not known as a great basketball district. He was never really challenged in HS and his HS teams weren't good for having a player of Grimes caliber on the roster.
BShark said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 KU will push to add Jalen Wilson and Kyree Walker. Both would immediately slide into the guard rotation imo.
I don't have a ton of faith in landing either or both guys at this point. With the way recruiting has gone this year, Wilson probably ends up back at Michigan and Walker ends up staying 2020.
Bottom line is Grimes wasn't a great fit with this KU group. It happens. Don't forget that Malik Newman went to Mississippi St. as a projected OAD and ended up in college for three years after transferring here.
Right now a projected starting line up of Dotson, Garrett, Agbaji, De Sousa, and Doke.
If Enaruna does play next year, it seems like it'll have to be a the 3 because KU doesn't have much in the backc court right now. None of Enaruna, Braun, or McBride seem ready to play meaningful minutes out of the gate next year, but may have to due to lack of depth on the perimeter.
I'll say right now that I think KU will have the best front court in the country next year with the 4 pieces we have in place currently. Self definitely needs a guard that's ready to play now for back court depth.
If Garrett could get to Russell Robinson territory in shooting, that would do wonders for him and the offense. Robinson was never a great shooter, low 30% most of his career, but he made plays for other players.
That's the style of PG Garrett would be. Playing at a slower pace like @HighEliteMajor mentioned wouldn't be a bad thing for Doke. Doke's cardio has never been great and a slower tempo would help him out a lot.
A line up of Garrett, Agbaji, Silvio, and Doke along with whoever at the 2/3 spot would be the best defensive line up KU has had in a long time. That would be a long defense with a pair of above average rim protectors in the back. That's a defensive line up in which a lot of teams would struggle to reach 65 points and would cover up Garrett's lack of offense.
approxinfinity said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
If Dotson stays gone, I still want to see Garrett run point because I still think he's the best PG on the team.
Garrett at PG with Silvio and Dok on the floor? I'd rather have McBride on the floor to shoot 3s. Take his licks and hope he's seasoned enough come tourney time.
Garrett had the best A/TO ratio last year and is a very good facilitator. Garrett was a PG in HS and had an elite level A/TO ratio as well. Garrett protects the ball extremely well and makes good decisions with it in his hands.
Garrett as a primary PG is someone who could average 7-8 assists per game at KU. At 6-5 Garrett could be dangerous running the high-low.
If Dotson stays gone, I still want to see Garrett run point because I still think he's the best PG on the team.
How long was this the plan because what's the purpose of reclassifying just to go pro overseas?
FarmerJayhawk said:
Something to keep in mind. RJ’s dad can unilaterally make the decision here. The way the rules work, if a guardian agrees to a deal with a pro team, it’s the exact same as the player agreeing. If RJ announces he’s going pro on Tuesday, there’s a good chance it wasn’t his call.
RJ is legally an adult, so unless he has a signed document giving his dad power of attorney in matters such as these, Rod cannot legally make a decision on behalf of RJ.
Silvio is much more offensively skilled that T-Rob ever was. T-Rob was an average skilled offensive player at best and that's why he couldn't stick in the NBA. By the time Silvio leaves KU, he will have a much more well polished offensive game than T-Rob ever had at KU.
This isn't a knock on either guy, but the fact is they have different skill sets and excell/ed in different areas of basketball. T-Rob always excelled at rebounding and post defense, but was a liability if he was dragged out of the lane. Silvio is quicker and more athletic than T-Rob was and can guard stretch 4's and bigger wings on the perimeter much more effectively than T-Rob could.
@truehawk93 Even in the little bit of time we saw Silvio his freshman year, he looked like a Markieff Morris type.
I don't see T-Rob when I look at Silvio. I see more Markeiff Morris when I look at them. Big Dave is the T-Rob clone on this team.
drgnslayr said:
AsadZ said:
Lets hope that Dok is healthy and injury free for the entire year.
I hope we put into effect some "Doke restrictions" to protect his health. Like no crazy dunks in practice.
His wrist injuries were both flukes, no amount of restrictions would have prevented those beyond Doke not practicing at all.
@Marco The NCAA initially cleared Derrick Rose to play as well. That didn't work out too well for Memphis in the end.
Very happy to be wrong on this one. I assumed Silvio would never get his eligibility back due the total amount of money involved in his case between KU and Maryland.
BeddieKU23 said:
Ryan over at the Phog dropped these nuggets regarding Grimes.
Small fwiw, but if Grimes goes back to college it won't be at Kansas. Have heard it's possible he opts out and transfers, and now there are a few in the national NBA/Draft media that have mentioned it as well.
I think there's virtually no chance at him back at KU unless Dotson isn't coming back AND Hampton isn't joining the roster. Even then, I'm not entirely sure those bridges aren't burned.
This is how we got Malik Newman and that worked out okay for KU. Hopefully it works out for Grimes as well wherever he ends up.
@approxinfinity The same people aren't making this decision though. The appeals committee is a different group of people and I don't believe they're employed by the NCAA.
approxinfinity said:
I repeat though, if Frank can't make it to first round why would Dotson? I think Dotson might be accepting getting drafted second round.
Frank was sub 6-0 and Dotson is not. That still matters to a lot of NBA people.
@KUSTEVE Wayne Selden may not have been a projected top 5 pick, but I think I remember him being a projected late lottery pick prior to his freshman season.
The NCAA needs to do whatever it takes to get NCAA video games back.
Hakeem is the blue print for the modern big man in the NBA. If anyone doubts just how great Hakeem was, I have him #2 behind Wilt for greatest centers ever, go and watch Olajuwon in the 1995 playoffs. Hakeem embarrassed 1995 MVP David Robinson in the Western Conference Finals in 6 games and then dominated Shaq when Houston swept Orlando in the NBA Finals that year.
@HighEliteMajor Basic human physiology tells me that. Same reason why runners in marathons don't sprint the entire race. When someone pushes their body too hard for too long without adequate recovery time, they become much more likely to suffer an injury.
Most players know how to take plays off on a game to not fatigue themselves early in a game without negatively impacting their team. Little stuff like guarding the last option on offense or standing on the perimeter as a decoy are 2 very common ways players get quick little breathers in a game without negatively impacting their team on the floor and without having to be subbed out.
Players who aren't good at that frequently come across as lazy on the court.
HighEliteMajor said:
And on this NBA thread .. I watched the 4th quarter of the Philly/Toronto game. Amazing defense by the Raptors down the stretch.
But the difference is that the effort on defense is given night in, night out in CBB. Not in the NBA. But what I saw last night was a clinic. Shows what they can do max effort. Philly could barely get a partial look at the hoop.
82 games playing 3 to 4 night per week, players have to pace themselves. Teams that play in the NBA Finals are typically over 100 games at that point. The human body can't handle playing at the level they play at in the playoffs every game otherwise players would get injured more frequently due to lack of recovery time.
SFA is also an Under Armour Armour program so not that surprising he picked them. I thought it was between Tech and Illinois with KU a distant 3rd for awhile.
I like all of these changes being proposed and hope all 5 pass. Moving the 3 point back to the FIBA distance will help the college game should reduce the number of 3 pointers attempted next season.
@stoptheflop Most lineman will drop a lot of weight after their playing career is over due to health reasons.