@Crimsonorblue22 Gee, that was friendly. Spoken like someone who is not noticing that I simply asked a question. Why does the opp player pull his hand back before or simultaneously with Allen moving his head? More apparent in the second video.
mayjay
7180 posts
@JayHawkFanToo NCAA can coerce cooperation by its component schools, all athletes, and schools' employees (call all of these "members"). Enforceable by suspension and fines, I believe, not subpoenas or other compulsory judicial process. They cannot, however, take action against members, et al., for refusal by a nonmember, even a relative, to cooperate or provide documents. (They seem to have finessed that problem with Cliff by simply not taking action since he was already not participating due to being held out--resulting in perhaps creating a new power, that of de facto suspension.)
@wissox Nothing to worry about unless the booster was a known infractor whose contact with players was unsupervised, or whose prior actions should have caused KU to take better care to prevent him from doing bad things, or (even if he was not a known bad guy) who was allowed access to athletes under conditions that should have raised suspicions. Actual knowledge is not needed for a "lack of institutional control" violation. That "should have known" thing can be a real pisser--then the benefits aren't just an eligibility issue for a particular player. Ask Rick and Jim. Also, what got Larry 3 times, I think.
I have watched this thing about 40 times, enlarged, and both angles. It is a poor resolution--HD video would show if he was hit. One question, though: why would the opp player jerk his hand away immediately after darting it up to defend the ball up top if he did not swipe Allen? You don't usually pull your hand down when a player raises the ball until he moves the ball. He pulls his hand back before Allen pulls and turns his head down. Would sure be nice to have better video to see where the hand is against that dark background!
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@dylans why would we have kelce pass?
Maybe because the interception when Hill tried to pass against Denver didn't provide a sufficient lesson to the coaching staff?
@Careful-you You deserve a candy bonus if tou got all the way through. With all due respect to @jaybate-1.0, I couldn't do it. Not because of him, but because the topic (KU fb) leaves me weeping and gnashing my teeth. So I have to click elsewhere on happier topics (you know, like Preston's suspension) or face an emergency trip to the dentist.
When I checked Friday, the line on the OU game was 37 pts. We lost by 38 and managed to blow many opportunities on offense. OU couldn't get going until the second half, when we rolled over and played dead.
Oh, yay, now maybe we will get investigated for being intentionally bad.
@JayHawkFanToo When do those expire, anyway?
I wonder if there is a stat for most consecutive 1st and goals without a touchdown?
kjayhawks said:
And in my Billy Mayes Oxi-Clean voice once again, "Wait there's more". Kansas now has become the first power 5 conference team to have 3 straight 10 loss seasons. Can we make it 4 next year?
KU basketball has 2 streaks of note, 13 straight conference titles and a record 28 consecutive NCAA tourney appearances.
How many more streaks of an infamous sort will the football team achieve before they are through? This one you mention, and consecutive road losses, -- surely, there must be more.
@HighEliteMajor Even if the hand-nonshake had not occurred, the last straw for me would have been not taking Defense (for nonwatchers, actually a player named that) out of the game after the inexcusable cheap shot into the OU qb.
We're BAD. Man, sooooooo BAD! Nice to know that their attitude was fiery but this was delusional swagger with nothing to back it up.
If you are crappy, having class can be a saving grace, letting a team still leave the field with heads high. Beatty and the team must have forgotten that.
@approxinfinity I think you should give Duke precisely the same benefit of the doubt that you do anyone else, including us. How, precisely, can anyone discover how much any program has been investigated? What would meet your standards if you, as you say, would like to see the evidence of their having been investigated?
I am not reluctant or hostile to the idea--I just think demanding proof they have been cleared is a meaningless exercise because it cannot and will not be done.
Personally, I want proof Alabama has been investigated in football. Why would so many people want to go to that mosquito-ridden state for so many decades?
@JayHawkFanToo Maybe I am missing something. You do realize, I hope, that the money package case was in 1988-89 under Sutton? I think Cal is their 4th coach since then, but sure, he must have known. (Was there a different case you are referencing? Because that actually was an Emery Freight package; Sutton resigned; Wayne Casey resigned; and one player was barred for life.)
I am guessing you are willing to impute knowledge of evildoing to Cal that you do not impute to HCBS.
And your statement that we just have to know something is going on is precisely what people say about "Dollar Bill." Which is my point.
@JayHawkFanToo Both times, it involved an individual player whose shenanigans were the reason for the retroactive ineligibility determination. I don't think the Rose test has been connected to Cal, and Camby accepted money and jewelry before his F4 appearance from 2 agents wanting to represent him. Hard to connect that scenario to Cal or see how it should tar him. Didn't we have a few players get impermissible benefits--just not when it would have voided a F4?
At least the Rose thing occurred in connection with his ability to qualify, and therefore one can be suspicious of UK involvement, but the Camby thing, as slimy as it was, seems unfair to leave on Cal's doorstep.
And, I should note, I don't like him, so it pains me to defend him.
@approxinfinity I see no evidence that they are not investigated like everyone else. That is just an assumption.
@Crimsonorblue22 Apparently, he is alway "it" in our game of tag-line.
@approxinfinity For all the constant comments made about how we "know" how Cal gets OADs to UK, or suspicions about Duke, we need to remember that there are zillions of people out there who think the same about Self and KU.
On your specific point, how exactly would one go about verifying that the 9 McD AAms were not lured to Duke?
How does anyone prove a negative? This is why I refrain on spreading rumors or making flat accusations about other coaches, and why I wish people would show the same discretion about ours.
@jayballer54 Lavar says, "I'm from LA" to which much of LA says, "Please go elsewhere and say that!"
Udoka Hudycising during the game:
!0_1511008597068_ku_bkc_sdsu_10_r300x150.jpeg ↗
(Photo from LJW site)
@justanotherfan Yeah, but every once in a while a fool named Sprewell comes along, tries to choke you to death, and just kinda takes all that easy-going coaching fun away....
@Crimsonorblue22 I didn't get in trouble in college! But, that only means.....
...us high "conduct IQ" people figure out how not to get caught!
@wissox A bit of a stretch to think it reflects on Self.
@JayHawkFanToo I only leased one car. I lived in Virginia. It was owned by World Omni of Florida. Tags and registration, and insurance, were all my responsibility. They keep the title, but no liability (unlike a landlord it seems).
Billy might have been given the car by his Mom. He can register it where he lives (KS) or back home, I believe. I always left my car registrations back in KS when I was a student in Michigan and in the Army in Virginia because KS prop tax was lower.
We looked at houses in FL this past weekend and will probably move there when wifey retires--16 and 1/2 months and counting down. Lack of income tax is a big factor, and will get bigger if the tax bills get passed eliminating deducting S/L (&Prop) taxes. SC rate on everything above about $1600 is 7%. Exemption for $3000 of retirement, big whoop.
Anyway, as I said before, it is probably not signif that the tags were from FL if they were temporary. Just reflects the locale where the sale took place or origin of the car. My brother bought my car and I let him keep the tags to drive home to Illinois, but usually the seller keeps the old tags to avoid liability until the buyer gets titled in their own state. SC would have given us temp tags, but it was a weekend. I think many states now let people get a temp license on the internet that you can show if stopped, but people say driving without tags can be a pain b/c cops look for that first.
nuleafjhawk said:
Question - if Daum is the " poor man's Larry Bird ", why isn't he playing for ...................just about anyone besides SDSU?
Actually, since Bird went to Indiana State, it is an apt comparison. He opted out of Indiana, though Knight (yeah, I call him that--no "Coach" unless coaching, for me) wanted him. Unsure if Daum had other options.
@JayHawkFanToo In my experience, leased cars are registered and tagged in the state of the lessee (renter), not the lessor (owner).
So, after the recruiting wait was over, now we go through a waiting period of anxiety over someone we previously waited for to become a Jayhawk. Seems like we are never settled!
I think the biggest risk is our guys fouling while guarding the 3 ptr, or fouling on pick and rolls when the 3 is being guarded adequately. Particularly for Svi.
@BeddieKU23 Even with only X number of games, can he actually get through X without getting into more trouble? So far, unsuccessful (where X=only 1) in that dept.
@BigBad I think they do. Have to get parking permits, after all. But I think that was why there is a problem--BP didn't tell them about it, and then, oops! An accident.
We might be really lucky he apparently cannot drive worth crap.
Vick in this last game reminded me of the Arkansas "jumping jacks" from several decades back, but obviously he is not as polished or, in the KU scheme, as capable of taking over games.
If they were temp tags, the car could have been bought in FL and given temp tags to get the buyer to wherever is home. Lots and lots of "Irma Specials" out there!
While we are illustrating Board Rats:
@jaybate-1.0 Well, I knew I could count on you! Excellent history lesson!
I would like to see an entire class with high conduct IQs. How long has it been? Billy this year, Josh & Carlton & Vick last year, Vick & Brannen the year before...
@elpoyo You are concerned about Wiggins' points.
Highly ironic, since you have not made a single coherent point yet.
@wissox They started assists during his time, and after being criticized for scoring so much but allegedly not sharing the ball, he came back the next year to lead the league in total assists. Only center to do so.
Here is one reason I hate Bill Simmons: according to him, that assist perfomance proves how selfish Wilt was--hurt his team by focusing on stats and taking criticism so personally.
Zion had 45/15 in his season opener. The rest of his team had 17 pts and they lost by 8 pts to a team with several high-level prospects.
Zion said he played bad: "My team didn't get the win, it's a bad performance for me."
No comments on recruiting. I had wondered if he would say something about QG. USC's (SC) coaches all attended.
@dylans As I recall, there were major rumors about Wilt. @jaybate-1-0 tends to know those things about KU's legends.
@bskeet It is funny: all season long, year after year, KU is voted top 4, often 1, by the media. KU fans complain about the media dissing us whenever we aren't projected by all the talking heads to win it all.
Then, any time we don't make the F4, KU fans spend the entire spring and summer worrying why KU got bounced. Self can't win elite 8 games, Self is too tight, Self can't recruit (I think that one is over, TG). KU underachieves, etc.
I think being under-respected would be a nice motivating chip. The team seems to do better when that happens!
@BShark There is a slight difference, apparently, in their interpretation of religious principles. So far as I know, athletes at GCU have not perpetrated over 50 rapes, or killed teammates, with coaches and administrators covering it up.
@Kubie The announcement yesterday, plus holding him out indefinitely to investigate the "financials", invited speculation.
The accident may have been minor, but he was not held out because of the accident. He was held out due to fear he had received impermissible benefits. And that is not minor.
No one that I saw speculated that it was about the accident, so, no, his being amused IS out of place.
hawkmoon2020 said:
Sure beats biting our fingernails through March, huh?
PHOF!
Grand Canyon used to routinely win the NAIA championship in KC. (Well, OK, they won three times--75, 78, and 88.) They moved soon after that into NCAA Div 2 and did pretty well. In 2013, they moved into Div 1. Coached by Dan Majerle, they have won over 20 games the last 2 seasons as a member of the WAC.
I think they will be moving up steadily and surprise lots of people. This recruiting coup could be the start of something.
Anyway, who would rather be in Illinois in winter rather than Phoenix?
@HawkChamp Wait a minute--what? Frank is gone? Gone? Huh???
Clicking over to the "grown man crying thread"....
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BeddieKU23 maybe we should find out exactly what happened first.
Excellent idea, but seemingly a lost art in this US of A.
@dylans It has been said before, but we saw Frank do that for a couple years. Great when it worked, stupid looking when he got stuffed--but I am glad he didn't listen to all of us who yelled "Stop it!"
@HawkChamp 5 of 25. Just too hard to conceive it could be that bad, eh? :sob:
@cragarhawk Actually, I think my intent was only one threat inside on the court. Mitch was still a theoretical threat and if he hadn't missed that one it would have been awesome, massive, a-MAZE-ing, baby! PTP-er, all the way!
@cragarhawk Aha! Hanging me on my own pitard, are ye? :boom:
Key word there is "threat" so "only" is likely the best word choice y'all can use.
So, we-all can use it free of any fear!
HawkChamp said:
Better to shoot 28% from three now rather than in the elite eight, I suppose.
Or 9.5% (VCU) or 20% (Oregon). Against Villanova was about the same as last night, 27 and change.
Of course the layup %age in 2007 vs UCLA was probably worse.
@cragarhawk I was addressing the people who were the subject of my first comment, to which you replied, thus the reply to you.