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... that's a convincing argument.

Don't forget Perry Ellis.

And this was the year Traylor posted an 18 PER. His best season by a long shot.

The Stanford game I will never forget. An absolute low point. I'll leave it there .. kind of. J. Dawkins > 2014 Tournament Self

Self blamed Wiggins off day. Took zero responsibility. I remember Wiggins saying he always had people on him. Again, the inability to counter another team's scheme. We talked a lot about moving him off the wing to the high post. An adjustment Self obviously didn't make. From a New York Times article, "Self said Wiggins had an off-game. “I’m sad for our team, and I’m sad for him,” Self said. “It wasn’t our day, and it wasn’t his day today"."

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I loved those days on this site ... vigorous debate.

Good lord, we finally pressed late in that game and amazing things happened. Couldn't do it earlier of course.

And before the tourney, knowing Embiid was out.

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I guess I didn't leave it there. We pressed near the end and go back in it. I did a post, pre-tournament, that suggested we simply play at a faster pace without Embiid.

That took me down the rabbit hole. Deep breathing. Thinking happy thoughts.

@BeddieKU23 Whatever gets Dave off the court when Doke is playing, I'm going to generally be in support of. Self clearly prefers Moss to start over Braun, since he did it. The "get the younger player more PT in prep for March" narrative still has weight if we view Braun as being that better option later this season over Moss. That may be a bit hazy. If Moss starts and he's struggling, we have Braun off the bench (when Dotson is back). Sold. But if Dotson's out, I'd start both Moss and Braun.

McCormack's night vs. OU is just another example. 15 minutes, 4 points, 3 rebounds, two turnovers. Just a hindrance to our offense when paired with Doke. Plus, he's so disjointed. Roberto Duran, hands of stone (as I think I saw someone say .. I added the Duran part). That 18 foot jumper 15:25 of the first half that hit the backboard first was a great reason why Dave just needs to play down low.

Why does Self seem married to starting Dave in the face of the obvious?

Weird, but I liked DeSousa in his brief time on the Court. I would have liked to have seen another 2 minute opportunity for him, just to see. But I understand why that didn't happen.

Wonder why Braun seems tentative? Seems like he’s dialed it back a bit. I like the really aggressive Braun.

It’s that clanking 18 footer that Dave shot in the 1st half we can do without, and I’d like to see more kick to the line on drives instead of always forcing shots.

I saw the TT/Garrett comparison. TT would rarely dish on the drive. A major failing. I like Garrett driving but think we have a lot more 3 point opportunities that we don’t create.

BShark said:

KU made as many threes as OU on 10 less attempts. WE. DO. NOT. SHOOT. ENOUGH. THREES.

Ya think?

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Labral tear is more wear and tear like a golf swing. But I’m going by my friends injury.

Can be both -

https://www.hss.edu/condition-list_labral-tears-hip.asp ↗

@Crimsonorblue22 Right - You can get that tear from impact. It’s just really flexible rubber-like cartilage in the socket. I heard it explained one time but have never known anyone personally that had that tear and have no idea on recovery time, etc.

jayballer73 said:

lots of media talk going on that - - -MORE then a hip pointer

Like what?

I don't like this quote at all from yesterday. Clearly full of cr*p if Dotson doesn't play, but I don't like it because it really places Dotson in a tough position.

“It’s a hip pointer,” Self reiterated. “So it’s going to be sore regardless. But it’s not one of those things that’s threatening to make it where you can’t play. But certainly, whenever you get it hit, it can make it uncomfortable where you’re thinking about it all the time. So he’s going to have to be mentally tough to get through that, but he can do that.”

mayjay said:

@BShark Going back to the days of Nate Archibald with the Kings, and through Valentine up to Hinrich all the way to Mason and Graham, I have loved watching beautiful passing.

Those passers passed in the rhythm of their movements, often seemingly knowing who they were passing to before they started driving or changing direction. Our current players either stop and look for someone to pass to, or drive directly into traffic and then try desperate passes to someone not in a strategically better position.

They just seem awkward in the passing game, at least against good m2m defenders.

This goes in the PHOF. The passing PG, the man who delivers, sets the stage, and creates, is so rare these days -- yet would be so valuable. Loved the way Aaron Miles focused on creating. Cedric Hunter was a master creator as well. It's a mindset and a priority that makes a team better.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Some observations, the first five directed at your posts -

1. David McCormack, 15-footer, "third option": I'm telling you, your suggestion is absolutely absurd. There are sometimes that one "fact" provides that demonstration. You just claimed that for our offense, Dave McCormack shooting a 15 footer should be our "third option." You rely on the further absurd claim that he could shoot 60-65% on those shots. But you will believe what you believe. And you know you're right.

2. Traditional Offenses: We have two "centers" -- Dave and Doke. We don't have a power forward. "Traditional" basketball -- traditional offenses -- have a "center" and a "power forward". Not two centers. In most "motion" offenses -- meaning with two bigs -- a major weakness is the inflexibility of a traditional big when that big is extended. It's an attack point for defenses. That's because the "center" does get extended around the lane area. Because you never concede anything, I don't expect you to acknowledge this. We have two centers on the floor.

3. Snap your fingers, install an offense: I didn't cherry pick. I read your post. I moved past the ridiculous suggestion of a "traditional motion offense" at this point. And it is ridiculous. I guess, here's what we do, according to you. We just install in mid-January a traditional motion offense. Just install it. Now. Snap your fingers. You are aware of practice limitations, I assume. Should I assume that you are aware of the complexity of motion offenses? Motion offenses involve multiple intricacies, options, decisions, and then reactions to those decisions -- all that have to be made with a real motion offense. You know, ones that are used at the college level. Not some of the claimed "motion" offenses that are used teaching middle-schoolers. Real motion offenses take time time to learn and time to teach. I would compare it to 2015 when Self put in a bare-bones, ridiculously simple 4/1 offense. It won us one game (OU I think at home) but after that, when teams had seen it in on tape, it was largely ineffective -- it was quite rudimentary. Kind of like our "bad ball" abomination. As shift on the fly deal that was a disaster.

4. Defense: Do you plan to change our defense to a zone? Do you think that Dave and Doke can do the trick? This is perhaps not a fair criticism. The way Self defends, his priorities, make it very difficult to play both together. If we pretty much permitted the 15 footer out to just inside the arc, it would make the job of our bigs easier, even if both were on the floor. They would know they had no responsibility in that range to prevent a shot. Self's defensive philosophy makes this very hard. And, of course, we know that Self will react to good 4/1 offenses and guard them with our 4/1 personnel. So there is that reality.

5. Timing: You may be right about the best offense. You might be. But the timing makes it impractical. If you're saying that such a move NOW would be the best option, I strongly disagree given the complexity and the fact that a rudimentary offense (I think) will make us worse. That's what I understand you are saying. If you say we would be best with this type of offense (meaning if we had run it from the start), that's more of a discussion I think.

6. Silvio: @approxinfinity is right. Silvio is our only true 4 guy. He'd be the only one that would work in the hi/low. I mentioned a question of whether we'd be better with Mitch and Doke right now. Meaning, Dave redshirted and we have Mitch. I know Mitch has a somewhat obvious ceiling, but I personally think they dynamic would be better. And Mitch is quicker, can guard smaller guys, and of course, blocks shots. Not saying that Mitch starting is a good thing, though.

7. 4/1: I agree with @approxinfinity on this as well. I think it's best that wego all in on the 4/1 and run with it. I would start Braun. Make him the chosen. Let the chips fall where they may. That seems like the most realistic solution at the moment.

8. Guard the line: Much like with Agabji and needing him to perform, if we don't attack and actively guard the line, all of this discussion is moot. We aren't winning the NC giving up open threes as a matter of course.

9. Newell: Just an observation, but he seems to have been right on the Baylor game. Obviously he was mocked by some for having the temerity to pick against KU.

Well everyone is right about Silvio. Can barely afford to play him.

@Texas-Hawk-10 If you’re putting Dave at the top, from 15 feet out, in the hi/low, he has to be able to put it on the deck and drive. A key element of the hi/low. And no, Dave isn’t hitting 60-65% of his 15 footers. It’s a horrible shot for us to rely on. Horrible.

So if I’m an opposing coach, I would want the ball in Dave’s hands 15 feet from the basket every possession. So there is that. Dave can’t put it on the floor and drive. Dave can’t pass. Dave fumbles the ball around when there is any pressure much of the time. Dave shooting from 15 feet would make any sane opposing coach happy.

The 3/2 is dependent on Silvio somehow becoming the player we expected, OR possibly playing a guard, like Brain, as the “high”? The latter simply spit ballin’.

If we're saying it's fiction that Drew outcoached Self today, well, it ain't fiction.

1. The continued "starting" of Doke and Dave has to end, doesn't it? That's just a stupid Self decision. No dressing it up. Everyone knows it. Why start Dave, limit our chance for a quick start (setting the groundwork for the rest of the game). We know Self thinks it isn't the best team because he doesn't do it the rest of the game. He played 10 minutes, and played the first 4-5 minutes.

2. Watch Baylor play defense. Go back and watch Baylor's priorities on defense. They actively and intensely guarded the three point line AND they denied the entry to Doke. They gladly permitted two point jumpers much of the time. We don't do that. We have different priorities. Self could do well to watch the tape and emulate what Drew did at the line.

3. We had zero ability to overcome Drew taking away Doke. Sound familiar? Nova in 2016 with Ellis? We scored 59 points in that one. 55 here. Feed the post to Ellis. Ellis 1-5. Feed the post to Doke. Doke 3-6. Go to guys with very limited shot attempts. Then,, from three - Shot 27% vs. Nova from three. Shot 27% today from three. Guys, this stuff doesn't change with Self. This is where a coach has to have an answer. We had no answer. Self had no answer then, didn't have an answer now.

4. More wide open threes by our opponents. See, when teams miss wide open threes and we jump for joy as if we did something, it means nothing. That's what we heard after the Nova game a few weeks ago. Some closed their eyes to the nature of the looks (wide open), falling back on the fact that they missed. And ignored our passive guarding of the line. Someone even wanted to argue about whether Nova was a good three point shooting team coming in. Just foolishness. Baylor was shoot 35.8% from three coming in. Look what they did. But if you give up open looks -- the likelihood that a team in the NCAA tourney capitalizes in one of the games -- is pretty high. Baylor beat us by 12. They made four more three pointers than we did. They also took four more three pointer than we did. Just an observation.

5. For those that think somehow that our offense doesn't matter, that we have to win with defense, here is "Exhibit B" for our tourney exit. Exhibit A was Dayton. We only attempted 15 three point shots. We only made four. If Self does not get our offense functioning better, well, we know how this ends.

6. Moss is an illusion. He's #fakenews. He shot 25% from three and around 40% from two. He did nothing else, playing big minutes. 30 minutes. 3 rebounds. 1 assist. No steals. Heck, no "disruptions." This is an idle complaint/observation. He has to play.

7. Not trying to be too dramatic here, but if Agbaji plays like this, we're in deep trouble. Regardless of anything else. He is critical.

8. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is the kind of game a highly functioning DeSousa could have helped. Pull Doke, play fast, get DeSousa moving on the perimeter. But it's moot.

Drew had an excellent defensive game plan. But remember, the coach's job is to create scoring chances, open looks. We failed miserably today. Self has to take most of the responsibility for today. Some days, Self gets the credit. Baylor had better, more open looks. They had more quality scoring chances. Period.

Oh, and cue the dismissive "sky is falling" posts that surely follow.

@dylans That's true, didn't really think about Roy's first title. Heck, Weber about won one with Self's guys.

@dylans Right, after being coach of the year his first season (with Guthridge’s players) he went 8-20 the next season. Guthridge actually wasn’t too bad.

@jayballer73 You know I agree with you on the risk. Regardless of some who minimize it, the volatility with the NCAA stuff creates a very heightened risk.

We can attract an excellent coach. But that is even a riskier proposition. Odds are really strong in my opinion that we get something less than Self.

Do we trust Long to make the right hire? I don’t. He could have some personal tie to a coach that could send the program in a tailspin. The KU admin. could push the wrong “diversity” hire. Even the perceived right hire could be wrong. I think Beard from TT would be perfect. But I thought EJ would be a lights out PG too. Point is, sometimes things we really believe don’t play out the way we expected. We could hire Beard and his wife hates it here, or one of his kids becomes ill, or he clashes with the AD. Whatever.

This is very dangerous business.

Great programs can become average quickly. Remember when UNC made some bad hires before Roy? Bill Guthridge and Matt Doherty? Doherty hovered just above .500.

Look where UCLA and Indiana have gone. Look where UK went before Cal. And the UNC reference before Roy. All blue bloods. Look at UConn now.

Self is the greatest coach in KU history. This entire NCAA stuff and it’s possible impact is really unnerving. We don’t want to lose Self at pretty much any cost, in my opinion.

Odds are strong, that if we do lose Self, we move backwards.

Titles define.

From Wilt to Manning to G-F

Heath > Joaquin > Romero > Nicholson

Maximus > Joaquin

And Scott Drew continues (I think) to make great strides as a coach. An unfair whipping boy, I'd say.

I love Roy .. but this was a cop-out comment.

How about, "This is clearly my worst coaching job. I need to work harder." Or whatever.

Self has been a blamer, though. He'd blame execution, but never himself (or at least very rarely). I'd address it after our March exits. This seemed to happen each exit.

approxinfinity said:

It's times like these that I wish we had a president with a level disposition and a clear understanding of how to negotiate multilateral treaties.

You mean like USMCA?

Or bad ones like the prior Iran deal from Muslim apologist Obama?

Sorry ... it is a great story. Wasn’t intending to distract from that.

Columbia - Crime "F", Housing "F", Schools "D+".

https://www.areavibes.com/columbia-mo/crime/ ↗

@BeddieKU23 Understand your points. It's not totally black and white. Cliff, Diallo, Wiggins, Oubre, Embiid (though he wasn't a presumed OAD), Josh, Grimes. In 16, JJ made a big impact. The others? I would not have lost a bit of sleep if we had lost the Big 12 in '14 without Wiggins. Heck, we got embarrassed by Stanford and didn't get out of the first weekend. You suggest intangible benefit as well. I hear you. That discussion is worth something.

From Wilt to Manning to Wiggins, or some such nonsense. I have the magazine but cannot permit it to adorn the wall of my basement. My final choice was between the one with EJ on the cover and the Wiggins cover. I chose EJ -- I mean, the crotch shot could have been an accident, right, maybe??

@drgnslayr Gotta get our "money's worth" -- literally and figuratively. But I have no knowledge of any benefits provided by any third parties to any of our players (or something like that), right?

@BeddieKU23 Great information. Really puts it all in perspective. Look, I don't get upset at my TV anymore. Tyshawn Taylor is not our point guard (he had his shining moment, though, second half of his senior season). All is good. Mason, Graham, Dotson. Never a complaint from me. I just think to myself, "remember TT." Like a roller coaster.

@Big-Clyde52 Great question -- they definitely helped themselves. Without one doubt in my mind.

@BeddieKU23 One wonders what a change in focus would have brought us over the past 10 years, recruiting wise, seeing Agbaji and Braun. I suspect it might have rendered better return than the mostly empty chasing of the presumed OADs. Add Brauns and Agbajis to the Wilsons, Enanuras, etc. - guys like that who have high level talent as well. But hey, we got one season of Kelly Oubre, so we have that ... and we can say he's in the NBA. I know that really excites me.

... and you are best @BShark on this board.

@Crimsonorblue22 You are correct. Dave is incredibly valuable. He allows us to play the same way when Doke is out. He'll be the man next year inside (or earlier if Doke gets hurt). I would be fine, though, if I didn't see those two on the floor together unless a match up makes it advantageous or in a blow-out.

Start the best lineup that @BeddieKU23 noted - Dotson, Garrett, Agbaji, Braun and Doke.

As a note, Braun is much better than Moss in rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks. And I like his energy level. Moss is nice to have as a shooter off the bench.

The minutes distribution Saturday was the most telling stat of all, related to where Self's head is right now, I think. Dave 10 minutes. Moss 7 minutes. Enaruna 1 minute. DeSousa 7 minutes. That's 25 minutes of "sub" time essentially (counting Dave as the sub). Pretty low, but when Self puckers on PT, that's what we've seen in the past.

@jayballer73 Of course KU can win a national title. Of course they’re in the discussion. Someone stating the obvious.

But to you’re point .. we’ve all watched enough BB to know that this offense can’t win a NC the way the game is played in 2020, the way it is functioning now.

Cliff Clavin always has the answer though.

How about blaming a bankrupt culture for destroying lives? Focusing on changing that culture? Cakes don’t kill people. The violent and morally bankrupt inner city black culture kills people. And pieces of shit like Kaepernick and those that fall for that misdirection enable the killings. They refuse to direct the focus and blame on the horrible human beings that commit these acts of violence. People want it to stop, like the police chief in the article below. But all the left does is blame everything and everyone except the thugs that commit the crimes. Calling them “victims.” Or “victim blaming.”

Kaepernick’s statements after the killing the Iranian general are the perfect example. This is the left’s champion.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/dallas-shooting-boy-killed-college-student-wounded ↗

https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/2018/8/8/18405768/emanuel-accused-of-victim-shaming-for-talking-values-and-character-after-crime ↗

https://www.mediaite.com/online/megyn-kelly-blasts-colin-kaepernick-for-decrying-iran-strike-because-everything-is-racist/ ↗

Lots of ways to win a national title.

What is our best team?

To say our offense wont be the reason we win the NC because is silly because the converse has to be part of the discussion. The biggest thing standing in our way is our offense.

Our offense has to function at a higher level to win the NC.

This starts in my opinion with marginalizing McCormack. He’s not part of our “best team” when Doke’s on the floor. Use him solely as Doke’s backup.

Next, and most importantly, Agbaji has to be a go to guy. If he’s not, we’re pretenders. It’s that simple. He was atrocious yesterday offensively.

I do like the idea of Garrett having the ball more vs. Dotson when the two are on the floor together.

Another consideration is substantially limiting our low reward (vs risk) two point jumpers.

Only Dave and Doke shoot decent on two point jumpers (which are all two point shots not at the rim, thus those 3-4 footers count). The rest of our team is under 40%. Why shoot that when we shoot 35%+ from three?

To win the NC, I think we need our three point attempts to increase. But we need to get some consistency there game to game.

Braun is a big part of that. Clearly has surpassed Enaruna in Self’s eyes.

And, of course, we have to aggressively defend the line. Seems like we challenged the line much better yesterday.

Withey/TRob? Chemistry.

Doke/Dave? The opposite.

Oddly, might Lightfoot and Doke function better together than Dave and Doke?

Well, I guess I throw out too much bull-sh**. I seem to have butchered this one. No one was amoosed. My apologies. Time to hide for a while.

approxinfinity said:

He needs to do it now. Dave will have his chance to be the man next year. Give up on the 2 big offense except for spot minutes.

Indisputable.

The decision has to be made NOW, not later. By holding him out. That decision costs games. That is the decision. Regardless of when the technical redshirt is granted.

If he leaves early, the decision to redshirt ... by not playing him .. is not moot.

@mayjay - Nope, sorry. He said, “If he turns pro first, then KU wouldn’t need to apply for the medical redshirt so it’d be a moot point.”

My example holds. It’s not moot because if he leaves early then a if he sits out this season he loses games. You’re not following and you make the same mistake he did. You ignore the fact that Wilson loses games of the decision is made to sit him out this season (which is the redshirt decision). If we play him he can’t redshirt.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I didn’t change the context of your post.

Tell me, then, if the decision is made to sit him now and not play him (thus the redshirt approach), how is it moot if he loses those games he could have played this season?

The decision has to be made now. Because if you don’t sit him now, you can’t have a redshirt. See .. it’s not moot then or now.

Folks have “had enough” .. of bicyclists at risk. Worthy of KC Star priorities. How many bicyclists are killed in a year vs murder and maiming?

https://amp.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/article238905568.html?__twitter_impression=true ↗

https://amp.kansascity.com/news/local/article238906893.html?__twitter_impression=true ↗

Here’s a “culture” that is murderous, unlawful and amoral. But consider the degree. Lots of horrific acts by all sorts of people. The inner city violence is like an elephant and other areas like Hell’s Angels is like a rat. One has overwhelming volume.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-hells-angels-clubhouse-in-new-york-city-sprayed-with-gunfire ↗

See the norm below. From Oakland. Inner city thugs kill over a f-ing laptop. Sick.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspects-charged-oakland-starbucks-laptop-theft ↗

Is Nike still "paying" players? Is UA?

If so, he must have given up money to come to KU. Assuming Adidas isn't "paying" players on Kansas' behalf.

Is Adidas still "paying" players on Kansas' behalf?

If he came to KU without being paid doesn't that show that top guys don't have to be paid to come to a school?

I understood "everybody" was doing it.

Do I care at this point? Why do I ask these questions anymore?

Good day.

I have heard that Hinkle Fieldhouse is a great place too ... have you been there?

Texas Hawk 10 said:

HighEliteMajor said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Try tracking here. You claim the redshirt decision is moot if he leaves early. It's not.

The medical redshirt decision DOES matter IF he turns pro before his eligibility expires. Why? Because if we chooses the redshirt, then he won't get to play this season and loses his PT this season (and we lose his services for that time). That is lost playing time that he/we can't recoup when he leaves early. It's not moot at all if he ends up leaving early. Where it is moot is if we get the redshirt AND he stays for his entire eligibility. Taht way we get the full amount of his services and he gets a full amount of college PT (four seasons of PT).

But, you know, just creating a narrative.

You try tracking. There is no official deadline to apply for a medical redshirt until 2023 for Wilson because that's when it become necessary. If he plays this year and left early, the redshirt decision doesn't matter. If Jalen sits this year and eventually leaves early, the redshirt decision doesn't matter. That's why it's a moot point if Jalen leaves early.

Now you look like a fool. If he does not play this season, taking the redshirt, AND he ends up leaving early, he lost the playing time for THIS season. And we lost his services for THIS season. We can’t get that back. He can’t get that back. His games played are lower.That makes the decision clearly NOT moot and the decision DOES matter.

Example 1 - He comes back Feb 1 and Self plays him in 13 more games this season. Next season he plays 38 games. The following season he plays 36 games. Turns pro. Total games 87 games played .

Example 2 - He does not play anymore this season (redshirt). Next season he plays 38 games. The following season he plays 36 games. Turns pro. Total games 74 games played.

Not moot. The decision DOES matter even if he turns pro early. He/we lose games. Comprehend?

How hard is this?

@Texas-Hawk-10 Try tracking here. You claim the redshirt decision is moot if he leaves early. It's not.

The medical redshirt decision DOES matter IF he turns pro before his eligibility expires. Why? Because if we chooses the redshirt, then he won't get to play this season and loses his PT this season (and we lose his services for that time). That is lost playing time that he/we can't recoup when he leaves early. It's not moot at all if he ends up leaving early. Where it is moot is if we get the redshirt AND he stays for his entire eligibility. Taht way we get the full amount of his services and he gets a full amount of college PT (four seasons of PT).

But, you know, just creating a narrative.

Wright won two national titles. One NC carries more weight than our relatively meaningless Big 12 titles (the streak made them interesting). I've said this for years. Duke won two NCs as well. We have zero. A decade of nothing as far as being a real champion. Other than the NCs, we've been the best school in my opinion. A vote for Few is silly.

Virginia won four ACC titles and UNC won five ACC titles in the decade. Much tougher conference at the top. Real NC challenging teams. The ACC won 5 of the 10 NCs - Duke 2, UNC 1, Virginia 1, and Louisville 1. Big 12? None.

Duke won 1 conference title and 2 NCs? I'll take that over our 9 Big 12 titles (weak competition at the top) and no NCs any day.

Wright won two titles -- largely by outcoaching Self in both of his title runs. Self wins that coaching battle, we likely have at least one. These were two games where the coaching victory was obvious and the key factor in the win. Wright is well deserving.

Maybe the 20s will be the decade of Self?

@Texas-Hawk-10 Right, completely agree. You just agreed with my post. You said it was "moot" in your previous post. In this last post you said there were choices -- see your last paragraph.

It is my understand that he can't wait until future years to apply for the medical redshirt for this past season. He would need to do it now (or within a certain time period after the season).

@Texas-Hawk-10 It's not a "moot point." The issue is whether we play him this season. So, if we play him this season, he loses the chance to redshirt. If we don't play him, we lose potential help. So if he turns pro early (the item you suggested created the mootness), we lose his potential contribution this season if we choose to redshirt him, in that eventuality.

You make the assumption that grad transfer is not productive. That's many times not the case. Moss? Tarik Black? Many times it's just change of scenery, coach issues, could be PT -- say if we brought in a presumed OAD. But at KU, I agree, that the grad transfer thing is less of a risk and would likely indicate other issues that might make us less harmed by the loss.

BigBad said:

HighEliteMajor said:

I'm puzzled why we are quick so quick to dismiss Wilson. Is it likely he'll be ready to play and make a big contributions this season? No.

When has coach Self EVER trusted a freshman early in conference play? You really think he will trust a freshman who hasn't played this year MID conference play? ZERO chance Self plays him over 3 minutes per game. If he doesn't red shirt he is completely wasting a year.

Hmmm. Quite a few times. Agbaji, Grimes, Garrett, Selden, Oubre, Graham, Mason, Wiggins -- but you know, kind of a few. It's happened "EVER." Agbaji stepped on the court, low ranked freshman, no PT at all, and average over 20 minutes per game last January. Just a recent history lesson.

No one has said that Self will trust him early in conference play. The guy isn't ready physcially now -- which is "early" in conference play.

No one has said to throw him in at 15 min per game. Straw man argument. The idea, I think, would be to let him get his feet wet and ramp up if he deserves the ramp up OR of if we need it.

And you realize that redshirting him is also likely a waste? All it saves us his is his 5th year. If we get his 5th year, there is high risk that he either turns pro before then OR he leaves as a grad transfer.