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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in What we all knew was happening at Duke with Zion is finally hitting the fan.:

@drgnslayr said in What we all knew was happening at Duke with Zion is finally hitting the fan.:

@Texas-Hawk-10

KU played no part in those payments and were found to be victims in that process. What is alleged at Duke is Duke participated in payment to Zion's family.

Doesn't matter if KU knew or not. Players received impermissible benefits and then played games for KU which means KU played ineligible players. KU has acknowledged this and are not arguing against that so they will get punishments for that. What IARP decision will affect is anything beyond what I previously said in regards to punishment. If the IARP upholds the NCAA's case against KU, then all of those level 1 violations get upheld which brings coaching suspensions, show-cause bans, and postseason bans into play as well. Those penalties aren't in play for what KU has acknowledged has happened.

What players are you referring to exactly? The only player i'm aware of is Silvio which was through his "handler", and he got his largest impermissible benefit from Under Armor to go to Maryland. He would never have gotten anything from Adidas if it wasn't for UA/MD giving his handler money to begin with. All of which KU elected to sit out Silvio over a year for already.

@HighEliteMajor said in NOA response from KU discussion:

It’s a move of complete desperation. Discovery goes both ways and as I have did before, Self, Townsend, et. al., don’t want to be under oath.

While @Texas-Hawk-10 is late to the party on the scorched earth (I pointed this out a while back) ... I was the one that said just after Self’s infamous denial (lies) in October of 2018. That we should make it clear before the NCAA made findings that we’d go scorched earth. Now? Good luck. The NCAA can’t give in at this stage.

I also said after Self’s infamous denials (lies), the risk was very high that this ends Self’s tenure at KU. Largely scoffed at by most everyone here. Folks guaranteeing that was wrong.

So now when Self references doing what everyone else did - cheating - makes you really wonder about those denials (lies). As I have said repeatedly, if you say everyone else does it, you are admitting the impropriety.

Why would the NCAA, an entity run by and supported by the colleges, be scared of this silly and baseless lawsuit threat?

Absolute desperation with the walls closing in. Good grief, look at OSU’s penalties. Those are much worse than the consensus “slap on the wrist” we routinely heard here.

The hammer is coming.

I’m sorry, but I have called this from the start. I’ve listened to folks attack, call names, make accusations, and say utterly senseless things related to this issue in response.

Yet many folks here have persisted with the opinion to attack the NCAA, to sue, all this complete baloney. Look where we are now.

There was one posting flurry where challenging Self's honesty, when we all know he's a liar, led to outrageous attacks and name calling from many here. And utterly stupid analogies to speeding. Just the worst of this site.

Now look at your hero. He's pathetic.

This is horrible. Self has put us here.

We now see our coach do what no other coach has really done. Desperate and again, embarrassing.

Bill Self, the liar, needs to resign. Now. Please. It’s time. He is causing further damage to the program and university. A complete embarrassment.

You've been right about a lot of stuff over the years, i certainly hope this is not one of them. In this day and age where we live in the United States of Apology i'm glad Self is not bending over and apologizing to the NCAA bully. He is standing up to them and is being a fighter. I like that. Could this decision create a worse result in the end? Yep. But i'm ok with that. The NCAA is selectively enforcing its rules and giving out punishments dis-proportionally to programs based on bias with KU being its "make an example" target. While they have the power to do so, its not right. I'd rather go down as a fighter vs laying down just to be the NCAA's trophy mounted on the wall above their fireplace.

But is that 100% true? Or did Adidas pay those players to attend an Adidas school?

Unless TJ Gassnola perjured himself after he pled guilty, then his testimony is solid enough to trust at face value. His testimony indicated that money changed hands on behalf of himself and Adidas to representatives of players (family members or guardians) to encourage players to commit to Kansas, NC State, Louisville, whatever school was recruiting the player at the time. The $20,000 payment Gassnola was attempting to make to Silvio's guardian, but never made due to the announcement of the investigation was so Silvio's guardian could pay back money to Under Armour who had allegedly paid $60,000 to bring Silvio to Maryland. I believe Billy Preston's mom received $120,000 from Gassnola to attend KU.

It still amazes me how harsh everyone thinks these supposed infractions are. To me, its weak af. Its not against NCAA rules to give a person money to attend a school. Any incoming student can get money from a friend, a company, whoever and attend the school requested. Adidas can give a standard student all the money they want to attend a school and not break any rules. The problem is when the person is an ncaa athlete. Where does that line begin? Are you considered an ncaa athlete if you never participate in an NCAA event? Preston didn't play a second of ball at KU in a regular season game. To me, that makes him basically like every other student at KU that has never played in a game and thus no infraction was made. Was he close? Heck yeah. But KU should be praised for catching it and making the right move to hold him out.

Silvio is another one. This kid bucks the system and says i want to attend KU despite UA throwing money at his "handler" to go to Maryland. Doesn't want the money or more likely doesn't even know about it and chooses KU because thats where he wants to go. The handler looks to Adidas for help paying back UA which may or may not have happened depending on who's story you believe. Let me ask a hypothetical, what if Adidas didn't pay anything to Silvio's handler or never was asked to? You have a kid who's "handler" was given money to attend Maryland, but he attends KU instead. Is KU still in violation? This could possibly be what happened and UA is not being talked about at all in this.

I guess there was something about $2,500 that Silvio got for something but the kid sat out over a year for it. Seems like it could have been paid back fairly easily or the year plus punishment is more than enough. The punishments don't quite fit the crime. The ncaa seems to always be excessively extreme towards KU whenever something isn't right relative to their actions towards other players at other schools.

I'm not ignorant where i think there isn't this stuff happening a lot behind the scenes at almost all the schools, including KU. However, if you're going to bring a case and try to drop the hammer to make an example of someone, you'd think they'd get some better evidence to support their case.

@approxinfinity Yes, thank you for finding that. Its been a while but thats exactly how i remember it.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Next season...:

@RockkChalkk said in Next season...:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Next season...:

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next season...:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Harvard is also online, we have them on our bb schedule

The Ivy League is a totally different animal in this matter because those schools are truly academics first. They don't allow redshirts, even medical, so none of their spring sports athletes are getting their extra year of eligibility. They also don't give athletic scholarships, all athletes are on academic scholarship at Ivy League schools.

Are you sure about that? Medical redshirts are a thing at Ivy schools, at least they were. Maybe its a new-ish rule change that i wasn't aware of.

And just because you're an athlete at an Ivy doesn't mean you're on an academic scholarship.

The Ivy League does not grant redshirts of any kind.

"Although the NCAA allows athletes to use their four years of eligibility within a five-year span, the Ivy League does not follow this protocol. The league requires athletes to use their eligibility during the first four years of their enrollment and doesn't allow medical redshirts."

That is from Sports Illustrated last month in reference to the NCAA waiver granting all spring sport athletes an extra year of eligibility and Ivy League's decision to reject the waiver because of its policies in regards to redshirts.

Interesting. I personally know a handful of people that have done it so maybe its a rule change. Or maybe there is a lenient process to get a waiver from this rule. Don't know.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Next season...:

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next season...:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Harvard is also online, we have them on our bb schedule

The Ivy League is a totally different animal in this matter because those schools are truly academics first. They don't allow redshirts, even medical, so none of their spring sports athletes are getting their extra year of eligibility. They also don't give athletic scholarships, all athletes are on academic scholarship at Ivy League schools.

Are you sure about that? Medical redshirts are a thing at Ivy schools, at least they were. Maybe its a new-ish rule change that i wasn't aware of.

And just because you're an athlete at an Ivy doesn't mean you're on an academic scholarship.

@BShark said in KU Team Picking Thinger:

@RockkChalkk said in KU Team Picking Thinger:

For me: Frank ($5), TRob ($5), DDot ($3), Josh ($1), and Rele ($1). That was my first gut reaction/picks because Svi turned it over too much for my liking but upon second thought he would actually fit great in that team with the two point guards and basically could just be the 3 point sniper.

Interesting line-up but not much shooting. Releford basically had to be wide open.

@BShark @dylans its funny how all of our lasting memories of these players varies. I actually thought my lineup did have shooting - haha. I remembered Releford being solid from three (Sr Year only, before that was yikes!) and Frank great. Also never minded Dotson shooting a three either. Went back and looked up stats.. in their final years Releford 42% from 3, Frank 47%, and Dotson just 31%. First two were higher than i would have guessed and Dotson lower.

For me: Frank ($5), TRob ($5), DDot ($3), Josh ($1), and Rele ($1). That was my first gut reaction/picks because Svi turned it over too much for my liking but upon second thought he would actually fit great in that team with the two point guards and basically could just be the 3 point sniper.

@Marco said in 2020 Recruiting:

@Crimsonorblue22 Window dressing. We have a difference in opinion, don't shoot me. Imo he is not a good person, let alone - how old is he? - kid. He tried to - after starting the fight - bring (changed his mind only after someone from behind changed it for him, reminding him of what the fuck he was about ready to do) a chair to what was his fist fight.

It doesn't sound like you saw the clip showing that Silvio dropped the chair himself. It wasn't taken from him.

Just the other day, my sister who works on a jobsite in Connecticut said they were doing some roadwork excavation, had the area blocked off with some big roadway cones and police officers helping direct traffic. At one point, a car did not obey the officer directing traffic, rolled slowly into the barricade, almost into the excavation where people were working. The officers approached the car and find the driver slumped over, starting to turn purple, bags of drugs in the passenger seat. The driver was overdosing. They gave him those meds that bring him back and basically save him. Driver says he is on his way to pick up his kid from school. Officers proceed to allow him to drive away. When the angry construction workers who almost got rolled up on ask the officers why they let him go with the drugs out everywhere they said that they are instructed to not arrest black people for drug offenses. If the person was white, he would have been arrested per the cop.

HighEliteMajor said:

Goodness ... I just heard Wilson has a “surprise” in store. Not good.

Where did you hear that?

So why have i seen blurbs that Iowa fans weren’t very sad to see him go?

And Wilson would be preferred over all the other options out there currently being pursued i gather. (minus RJ obviously)

Can someone do a translation/summary of all these latest developments?

Thats fake news

FarmerJayhawk said:

Corey Evans flipped his pick on Precious from Memphis to Kansas this morning...

Hmm, i'm not seeing this. You referencing 247 site?

Edited OP to reflect Enaruna commitment.

Updated the OP to reflect Grimes' seemingly all-in declaration to move on and try to play in the NBA. Thats 4 Open spots to fill that aren't spoken for yet and high likelihood of at least one more. Yikes.

Opening Post has been updated to reflect D. Lawson's departure.

Updated the Opening Post to reflect the KJ transfer. Waiting until something official comes out regarding Dedric to update him but we all can see the writing on the wall there.

Updated to reflect the Moore transfer.

Officially Leaving:

1) Vick (no more eligibility)
2) Moore (transferring)
3) KJ Lawson (transferring)
4) D. Lawson (NBA)
5) Grimes (transferring)

Returning Scholarship Players:
1) Dotson
2) Agbaji
3) Garrett
4) McCormack
5) Azubuike
6) Lightfoot
7) De Sousa
8) Open
9) Open
10) Open
11) Open
12) Open
13) Open

Incoming Recruits/Transfers Committed:

1) McBride
2) Braun
3) Enaruna
4) Moss
5) Wilson
6) Harris

BeddieKU23 said:

247 now lists him as 6'9. Did he get measured recently to gain those 2'?

Was he previously 4'9?

Anybody know of another way to watch other than ESPN+? Looking for a free stream if it exists.

Have there been any sightings? It was just Shark week not too long ago, maybe he is tired and needs some rest.

Seriously though, i hope he is ok.

Woodrow said:

That’s awesome news. Matt always provides great content and this will be free.

uhhhhh, was this in a sarcasm font?

Thought i read somewhere that Dante is likely to end up in 2019 class and believe he would be a KU top target too.

nuleafjhawk said:

Y'all know that size, speed, skill and desire have nothing to do with anyone's decision to go to the NBA, right?

It's one thing - the almighty dollah.

Man, i wish that were true. I'm seriously lacking in size, speed, skill, and desire but really want tons of $. Somehow i still don't think i can decide to go to the NBA.

Any update on Mystery Man? I figured if there was any truth to this rumor that we would have heard something by now.

BShark said:

Sounds like we are going to find out who the mystery player is.

Really?! Dang. I assume that means it has leaked RL to IU.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Uhhh so the latest rumor is that Self paid Romeo a visit while he was in Louisville yesterday.

How is everyone interpreting this? I'm not sure what to think.

@BeddieKU23 Great read. I've always been a Bilas fan, he certainly had Kansas' back in that article.

@KUSTEVE nah, this is supposedly a guy that could be a fallback option for KU if we miss on Langford. This mystery person has already committed elsewhere but not signed. If true, it would actually explain why KU hasn't been chasing anyone else.

Very curious to know who this mystery person is.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@truehawk93

Svi and Devonté are seniors so they are gone. This leaves 13 players for the 13 (not 15) scholarships allowed. For Langford to join either Newman or Vick need to leave or maybe Cunliffe either leave or red shirt.

BTW, Doke is an Academic All-Conference rather than All-American.

Actually, i believe it leaves 14 players for the 13 spots. Did you count Lawson twice? As we stand now, at least one underclassmen must depart to have enough scholarships. If we want room for Langford, we need two to leave.

Have some damn pride.

Never thought i would see the team quit like they have with so much time left. Wow.

Bosthawk said:

@Buster-1926
And always remember to keep zipper open in case you need to count to 11

:joy:

can't get to beyond the Michigan part in the article, the story continues button wont work.

Next up, Seton Hall. Gotta say, i'm real nervous about this one. They looked good today and KU looked off. They are a senior laden team, can shoot, have size, and can drive the ball hard. Just have that pit in my stomach that we're going to lose, seems like a bad matchup.

Anyone else see it differently??

mayjay said:

@justanotherfan Those juniors just need to do better, then, and save their coaches' jobs. :boom:

but not do too good where their coach leaves for a better opportunity.

I have KU, Nova, UNC and Cincy. KU over Roy's Boys in the final. I always pick with my heart so i never win these brackets.

In what order do you see these three coaches retiring? Coach K, Self, and Roy.

If Self is 3rd amongst those three, the other two schools will get first pick at the upcoming coach options and i bet Bennett gets snagged up before the KU opening is available.

What a scumbag.

justanotherfan said:

Tough to know how friendships affect recruiting decisions. Grimes and Langford likely talk and text back and forth every day now while living in different states. Once they get to the NBA, that will likely continue. Maybe they decide to go to the same school to hang out together for one year, but its also possible that they just keep doing what they are doing while Grimes is in Lawrence and Langford is in (select destination).

With AAU the way it is, these kids meet each other when they are fairly young. My gut wonders if they had an agreement to go to the same place, why hasn't Langford committed yet?

This is actually why I think KU is at least the frontrunner. Its the only school of his three finalists with a legit reason to wait on making an announcement. The reason being to wait and see what the status of Newman & Vick are for next year, returning or not.

BShark said:

@RockkChalkk I'm hopeful Grimes knows something.

Wow yeah, that quote at the end about Grimes being one of his closest friends says a lot. I do think he ends up at KU next year which would make next year's class insane.

@BShark That's hilarious, haha

@HighEliteMajor this is perhaps the best post i've ever read on here by anyone, i needed this. Thank you.

Unbelievable.

@Kcmatt7 FBI is on a bad losing streak lately.