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@FarmerJayhawk said in What's our fate?:

@Kcmatt7 said in What's our fate?:

@wissox I just don't have a grasp of what is fair/what will happen. There has been such a large disparity in punishments for schools involved.

OSU got the book. NC State got a slap on the wrist.

NC State went through the IARP and should be very similar to our case (I would think). Resulted in one-year probation and a show-cause order for Gottfried.

"We specifically discussed whether or not we were going to impose a postseason ban, and we basically determined that we didn't want to hurt or punish the student-athletes that are currently competing," said Dana Welch, an arbitrator who served on the IRP. "We did, however, want the institution to take this very seriously, there were very serious recruiting violations here."

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/32910784/nc-state-wolfpack-men-basketball-program-put-1-year-probation-ex-coach-mark-gottfried-gets-one-year-show-cause-order ↗

This is what I would think we would get. Bill maybe gets a 1-year show-cause and KT will get 3-4 years or something like that. I'm guessing there will be a nice big fine and possibly a scholarship while under the show-cause orders. Possible vacating of the 2018 FF (which would be kind of funny to see as we put up the new banners).

But, we could get the book thrown at us. Bill made an example of.

Will be interesting if he is able to keep the name Teflon Bill after this is settled.

I agree with most of this. The only difference really is Gottfried was actively making the payments, where Townsend has some plausible deniability.

KU's coaches have acknowledged money changed hands in exchange for recruits coming to KU. This isn't a courtroom setting where someone has to prove beyond reasonable doubt what happened. There's enough evidence with the Silvio situation that KU's coaches were aware and likely authorized the payments to get Silvio out of his deal with Maryland to come to Kansas.

@wissox said in What's our fate?:

@Kcmatt7 Can you explain "Show-Cause"? I've never heard that term.

Show-cause is basically a suspension for a set amount of time where a coach is not allowed to coach in any capacity at an NCAA institution. If a school hires a coach during that time, they have show cause why that school shouldn't be penalized for hiring that coach.

Let's say for example that Coach Townsend got hit with a 5 year show-cause from this investigation. That means he would essentially be suspended for 5 years and KU or any other school that keeps/hires him would have to prove to the NCAA why they shouldn't get penalized for hiring him.

It's meant to punish a coach for committing violations and holding them accountable instead of the school.

@Kcmatt7 said in Next Year's Team Thread:

@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:

@Kcmatt7 said in Next Year's Team Thread:

@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:

@bskeet said in Next Year's Team Thread:

Personally, I've always felt that Dave is a better NBA prospect than Doke. Defensively, they were about equal. However, Dave has more offensive skills and they've been there from the very start. Even as a freshman, it was clear that he was an entirely different 5 than Doke. Dave scored on short jumpers and jump hooks as well as dunks. Doke was pretty much just a dunk dude.

Dave can shoot it from distance, but we had enough shooters so he was never asked to go beyond the paint. Plus he hits FTs. All in all, Dave has potential to be a better pro than Doke IMHO.

I'd love for him to return, of course. But what we saw in this tournament was Dave with a bad foot... then what he could be with two good wheels should be plenty good enough to be a pro. If he gets healthy in time for the NBA tryouts to showcase his abilities, I think he'll be a low first / early second rounder.

I can respect the opinion but their athleticism is on a different planet. I will be very surprised if David gets more than a cup of coffee. Rooting for him though.

Yea Doke setting combine vertical records really put that in perspective. It has made it hard to evaluate post players because you don't realize how imposing he actually was.

Block rates, KU career

Udoka 9.4

Dave 4.1

Cole 9.9

Jeff Withey 14.3 (OMEGALUL)

Withey's timing is the craziest thing. Dude could catch a fly with chop sticks.

Craziest thing about Doke is that he added 10 inches of vert between combines...

Withey's volleyball background definitely played a large role and making him an elite shot blocker.

I doubt Doke literally added 10 inches to his vertical, I'm going to assume his trainer taught him how to properly do a vertical jump so he could maximize what he already had athletically.

I still think probation, forfeiting the games Silvio played in during his freshman season, scholarship reduction, and a show-cause for Townsend is the most likely outcome.

I actually haven't gotten to rewatch the game at all yet. Hopefully sometime this weekend.

With Clemence at the 5, especially if Wilson returns, could we see the high-low make a come back next season, at least as a part of the offense?

@rockchalkwyo said in Next Year's Team Thread:

@SlickRockJayhawk Dedrick Lawson before Doke’s injury.

Dedric was never a stretch 4.

@BeddieKU23 said in THANK YOU, JAYHAWKS:

@wissox

believe CBS/TBS owned by the same conglomerate which is why TBS had it this year in some contractual thing

CBS and TBS are not under the umbrella. CBS is owned by Paramount and TBS is owned by Warner. The NCAA opened up to another broadcast partner a few years back because CBS doesn't have the capability to broadcast every game which meant the NCAA was losing out on another revenue stream since the NCAA Tournament is how the NCAA is funded, at least the vast majority of their income. The Final Four alternates between CBS and TBS now because of that new contract.

@justanotherfan said in OK so CBS feels the need for their two cents worth:

Defending this title will be exceptionally difficult. KU has to replace four of their top 7 players in Agbaji, McCormack, Martin and Lightfoot. Even if Yesufu and Pettiford step into Remy's role, I doubt they are as effective as he was next year. Even if Braun continues to improve (and returns), does either Dick or Rice fully replace what Agbaji brought? Same question for Wilson. And how do we replace what McCormack did down the stretch?

Simply put, investigation or not, next year's team will likely take a bit of a step back. Look what happened to Baylor this year. They were good, but got derailed by injuries as the season wore on. Gonzaga just wasn't quite as good this year. It's hard to duplicate this type of success in college basketball because you have to replace so many key pieces after a season like this.

Bask in this glory, because its a long way back up the mountain.

A lot of the Way Too Early top 25 polls have KU in the top 10 again and several have KU in the top 5. KU will be loaded once again with a very good recruiting class including two potential OAD caliber players.

HELL YEAH!!!!

@BShark said in Tarheels Game Thread:

@Kcmatt7 said in Tarheels Game Thread:

Im going to have to rewatch this game sometime and just count the uncalled Bacot fouls

Bacot is incapable of fouling didn't you know.

And the last two they called on him were very weak calls.

@justanotherfan said in Tarheels Game Thread:

KU needs to make layups. Simple as that.

KU needs to quit fouling. That's the difference right now.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Tarheels Game Thread:

LETS GET A BANNER

Another banner, we're already hanging 2 more.

@mayjay said in Let the slobberfest begin:

@jayballer67 Here's a fun ESPN story about someone who really believes in KU:

https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/33658557/final-four-2022-string-losses-mattress-mack-bets-33-million-kansas-jayhawks-win-all ↗

(Note: it is about 3.3 mil, not 33. The link cannot have a period in it)

Mattress Mack is a legend here in Houston. He is one of the most generous men I've ever seen. I would strongly encourage everyone to go read about how much he's done for Houston over the years.

@dylans said in The Also Ran Game:

Caleb Love is trouble. Can Juando shut him down?

No, because that's not who Harris will be guarding. Harris is going to be guarding RJ Davis. Either Agbaji or Braun will be guarding Love.

Rebounding is going to be the biggest key for KU in this game. Jalen Wilson has been great on the glass this tournament, Dave needs to be great as well because Bacot is in the Tshiebwe neighborhood of great rebounding this season averaging 13 per game.

UNC is also a elite defensive rebounding team and loves to get out an run so Self may have to make a decision about how involved he wants his guards to be on the offensive glass or does he want them to get back on defense and to try and slow UNC down.

We know both teams want to play fast so this and the O/U at 153 reflects that and I still think that's too low for this game. The lightswitch coming on for Caleb Love has been the difference for UNC this tournament. Will Self put Ochai or Braun on Love is the biggest defensive question for Self. Love is the style of guard that has burned KU several times this season and has been very good at getting to basket most of this tournament outside of the Baylor game.

If we beat Villanova, does KU get to hang a Big East championship banner this year too since they'll have beaten 3 of their top 4 in the NCAA tournament this year?

The parts of this legislation that I'm interested in is basically putting a shorter statute of limitations on the NCAA to investigate cases and a shorter time frame to invest cases once an NOA is delivered to a school.

@jayballer67 said in 2022 Transfer Portal Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in 2022 Transfer Portal Thread:

Portal approaching 900.

you would think out of 900 Bill could find that need of a big SG find gem in there out of all of that hopefully

A lot of what Self could attract to KU at the 2 guard spot will depend on whatever Christian Braun decides to do.

With or without Dave, I'm fine with what KU will have in the front court next season. Zach Clemence with an off-season of strength training will be a contender for most improved player next season. KJ Adams is showing himself to be an elite defender. Ernest Udeh has Doke potential as a rim protector. Zuby Ejiofor has a lot of potential a couple of years from now. None of that also factors in if Jalen Wilson comes back.

I'm comfortable with what KU will have for next season in the front court.

@BShark said in Talent Wins Games:

Good lord, he has come along. Him and Gradey is a very problematic pairing for opponents if it happens.

There's also a decent chance only one of them starts next year.

@BeddieKU23 said in Chip and Pace...:

I agree pace is a big factor with the Moore injury. I think it was anyway. Nova just grinds, plays slow and that's how they have managed to get this far with basically 6 guys. If we could punch them in the mouth early with pace it will be tough sledding for them to come back.

The biggest key I see Saturday will be points in the paint. Dixon is their only big, they do not have a sub for him. Samuels is like Wilson in that he plays inside out. Dave, Jalen, Mitch. The advantage is use them enough to open the wings to driving to the basket. Pound the paint again on this nova team. No shot blockers, poor rebounding team at both ends.

Even before Moore's injury, this is why I preferred Villanova over Houston. Houston was far more capable of exploiting KU's weaknesses than Villanova was. Villanova is a good match up for Kansas because a lot of their weaknesses are KU strengths.

I'm debating buying a Final Four ticket. Prices calmed way down from immediately after the games. Don't see any hotels in New Orleans on Expedia though so might have to stay near Baton Rogue if I go.

I went in to San Antonio in 2018 and the Final Four is a great experience and this time there's a Duke/UNC game to go with a KU game.

Ticket prices on Stubhub have spiked even higher now, over $700 with fees for the cheapest tickets.

I'm so tempted to buy a Final Four ticket, but the cheapest prices on Stubhub are more than double what I payed in 2018. Cheapest I saw during the game were $560 including fees for just Saturday and I'm assuming the reason tickets are so high right now is because of the very strong possibility of a Duke/Carolina game happening on Saturday. I'm still tempted because that's a bucket list game for me to see in person one day.

Holy hell that 2nd half was something else. 47-15

@wissox said in Miami Hurricanes Game Thread:

How many turnovers Charlie have?

3 according to ESPN

Prison Dave right there

Specifically, guard McGusty.

Make shots, don't hesitate on switches, and don’t give them open 3's.

@jayballer67 said in Elite 8 Chat:

@Woodrow said in Elite 8 Chat:

I think KU would rather play Nova as well. Houston is really good.

And we know our history with Villanova lol

Whenever KU and Villanova play in the NCAA tournament, the winner of that game has always gone on to win a national title. 2008, 2016, 2018.

@BeddieKU23 said in Elite 8 Chat:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Prefer Houston since they struggle to score at times

Houston averages 3 more points per game and is 37th in total FG%. Houston is also the superior rebounding and passing team. Their 8th in offensive rebounds per game and 23rd in total rebounds per game. Both areas where KU has struggled this season. UH is also 12th in assists per game meaning they pass the ball extremely well and move without the ball extremely well and we have defenders with habits of falling asleep on defense. UH is also 39th in steals per game, 14th in blocks per game, amd 62nd in turnovers forced.

Villanova meanwhile is 201st in FG%, 202nd rebounds per game, 150th in offensive rebounds per game, 252nd in assists per game, 224 in steals per game, 308 in blocks per game, and 240 in turnovers forced.

Even though Villanova is the best FT team in the country, they're 204th in FTA's per game so they don't take advantage of that.

The one area that does worry me more about Villanova over Houston is 3 point shooting as Villanova is much better than Houston in that regard, but UH's offensive rebounding prowess is what worries me the most in a match up against either team because we've seen KU get destroyed on the glass several times this season.

Villanova is the better match up for Kansas should KU win tomorrow.

@drgnslayr said in Winning Strategy to Bring Home a Trophy...:

We don't have to accept that the other team sets the pace. If they are a slow team, we have that much more to gain if we can speed them up on offense. I do worry about teams like Nova because Wright and his PG are so well-coached on what to do.

When we pull down defensive rebounds we can run on anyone. What ticks me off is when we push it up court and guys get all the way into the paint then they pull the ball out to run half-court offense. Instead... they need to take it to them. Be aggressive! Earn FTs! Foul out players! Score points!

Anytime we get stuck running half-court offense we run the risk of dropping points and momentum and going cold and losing confidence.

Problem with what you want KU to do is that a lot of teams get their defense back instead of chasing offensive rebounds to prevent KU from getting transition baskets and Braun and Wilson aren't disciplined enough to not run people over when they take it to the basket and have picked up a bunch of charges this year because they recklessly drive into the defense in the paint. It's also much easier to slow a game down than it is to speed it it up.

@BeddieKU23 said in Elite 8 Chat:

Big Houston and Arkansas fans today

I think I'd rather see Villanova than Houston in the Final Four. Houston is by far the best defense left in the tournament. UH is also an elite offensive rebounding team which has caused a lot of issues for KU this season. UH is also 12th in assists per game which is crazy because of how slow they play.

@drgnslayr said in Winning Strategy to Bring Home a Trophy...:

I'm back in worry mode.

I'm glad we advanced... but last night should have been a blowout.

I am thankful we have a group that doesn't freak out when punched in the face... and this has saved us all year long and again last night.

But here we were... a BAD BALL game... slugfest down to the wire. Maybe we can win 3 more games like this... I just don't see this as the best strategy to go.

I think we influenced pace last night because we seemed happy keeping it slow. Self had given us a headsup mentioning BAD BALL before this game.

I see we are capable of winning a slow or a fast game, or a game with it being mixed. I get that... and we have made it this far. I'm grateful.

From here on out are we just going to run mostly halfcourt offense?

Can we go ahead and plan that Och isn't going to be a real factor on offense from here on out? Has he ever put up big offensive numbers in March Madness? Are you really an "All-America" if you never step up in March? I don't care if he goes 2-24 in a game... put up the damn shots, son!

I appreciate Wilson's game yesterday... He never stopped fighting on both sides of the ball. But I'm calling us "The University of Remy" from here on out!

So how come we can't have a successful Remy, CB, Och and David in the same game? It just looks like they're coasting. I heard about Self constantly pleading with them to man-up!

Wilson doesn't count on being hot or cold... he just hustles and that gives him a double-double.

I hope we luck out and continue to draw low seeds. Not likely in the FF. I have little doubt in this Miami game... 38 minutes of whatever... it all comes down to the last 2 minutes and I hope we shine at the end!

If we win the NC playing 3 more games of BAD BALL, I will consider getting BAD BALL tattooed on my body!

If KU goes to the Final Four, the semi final game will be a bad ball game regardless if it's Houston or Villanova because those two teams play at a snails pace. Miami could very well be another rock fight game because they're not super quick, not as slow as Providence but definitely not a fast team. They also don't shoot a bunch of 3's and don't turn the ball over much so KU may not have a lot of opportunities to get out an run.

@approxinfinity said in Friars vs Hawks S16 Game Thread:

Do you want iowa state or miami?

ISU because the prep work and scouting is much easier and there's already the familiarity which should make it a better scenario for KU to get back to the Final Four.

I believe Holmgren was in the restricted circle on his 5th foul so it doesn't matter about much else in that situation because it would either be a defensive foul or no call in that situation.

Gillespie just took a really ugly fall

@BShark said in 2022 Transfer Portal Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 My concern is the 4 spot if CB/JWill both leave. I think at least one will be back. I am also not sold on Rice making it to Lawrence however.

Completely agree though as I mentioned the main want is a guard with plus size. Already a few good options in the portal for that with more coming.

Rice will be here. There's been next to no talk recently of him not coming to KU at this point.

@jayballer67 said in 2022 Transfer Portal Thread:

@BShark said in 2022 Transfer Portal Thread:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/brandon-murray-1.html ↗

MAKE CONTACT PLZ BILL

Do you think we will be active in the Portal this yr ? - - - I think if we get serious about the portal it will be a WING right ?

A 6-3/6-4 combo would be KU's biggest need. KU will be fine on the wing even if both Braun and Wilson bolted early. Gradey Dick and MJ Rice are interchangeable as far as position goes at the 3/4 spots. Harris/Yesufu/Pettiford/Cuffe have the 1/2 spots on lock down. Clemence and Adams could each play the 4/5 spots if needed. Udeh will be a load at the 5 in the near future, and Ejiofor could step into se minutes right away if needed. A 6-3/6-4 combo guard that can play the 2/3 spots is what KU's missing for next season's line up.

My original picks in my bracket fir tonight were Gonzaga, Tech, North Carolina, and Kentucky. I'm going to go ahead and stick with the three that are still alive along with Purdue tonight.

Tomorrow, I had Arizona, Villanova, Kansas, amd Wisconsin as my original picks so I'll keep the three that are still alive and go with ISU over Miami in tge other game.

@benshawks08 said in 2021-22 PER's & Stats:

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/518 ↗

Looks like teams to study would be Iowa State, Gonzaga (third on Jesse's list of teams this happens to the most) and Baylor. Their 3pa totals for the year are somewhere in the mid to high 600s while ours is mid 700s. Houston is an odd team that allows a TON (over 800) but at a low percentage (under 30). Kansas is fairly close to Houston percentage wise only being a percentage point or 2 worse but that makes a big difference over the course of a season in total makes.

At the same number of 3FGA as Houston, KU would've only allowed 13 more makes so not necessarily a big issue as that's only about 0.4 ppg more at this point.

That was clean defense

@mayjay Go look at what NC State got from the IARP. KU's ruling is likely to be very similar to that case because the NC State case had a lot in common with KU's case. There were two show-cause penalties handed out in that case. Don't be shocked if both Self and Townsend get show-cause penalties once that ruling comes down.

@JAYHAWKFAN214 said in Future KU Assistant Coaches Marcus and Markieff Morris:

@jayballer67 said in Future KU Assistant Coaches Marcus and Markieff Morris:

@JAYHAWKFAN214 said in Future KU Assistant Coaches Marcus and Markieff Morris:

@jayballer67 said in Future KU Assistant Coaches Marcus and Markieff Morris:

@JAYHAWKFAN214 said in Future KU Assistant Coaches Marcus and Markieff Morris:

None of our assistant coaches that we have now are going nowere

Townsend FOR SURE could be going somewhere if the NCAA ruling comes down against us

Townsend and Robert Will both be back next year with new contracts

wouldn't count on it

There's already been a report about they are working on their new contract And it's not officially yet when the contracts will be done but they will be done

Nobody is arguing with you about those two receiving contract extensions. That also doesn't change that the IARP decision could very possibly include a show-cause label for Kurtis Townsend which means he would not be able to coach at KU, or any other NCAA member school, for the duration of that show-cause penalty. These are not mutually exclusive things. Townsend can both receive an extension from KU and still get hit with a show-cause penalty prohibiting him from coaching for a period of time at KU.

@Oldmanhawk said in KSU Coach:

@BShark who’s that? Where’s he from?

He's basically Scott Drew's version of Kurtis Townsend.

@jayballer67 said in KU Buckets Bracket Challenge 2022!:

In one of my ESPN brackets I'm at a 95 % correct AND - - - i'M IN 78,000th place lol - -that's crazy - - you would think 95 % right is pretty decent - - NOPE lol

Look who's leading the ESPN group right now. Still have 14/16 Sweet 16 teams alive because I picked the UNC and Michigan upsets.

@DanR said in Non-KU Games:

announcer guy doesn't understand why you'd want to cut it to 1 with a three. OK

The thought process in that situation is that you make a quick 2, and foul and repeat the cycle until Gonzaga misses a FT and then shoot a 3 to tie the game. With shooting a 3 in that situation, even with a make, if Gonzaga makes both FT's on their next possession, you still need another 3.

Arkansas has only scored 31 points from the field tonight and will likely move to the Sweet 16. This game with NMSU has been one of the ugliest games I've ever seen. They've made 17 FT's and have only scored 48 points with 11 seconds left.

I heard Dick Vitale's bracket is holding up pretty well, especially his Final Four and title game picks, lol!