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@jayballer73 Um... how's the debate team doing?
@kjayhawks I don't think that is out of the question.
Sigh. I ~~thought~~ hoped we had seen the end of this when Les was hired.
@kjayhawks Yeah, that is a better way of saying the score doesn't reflect how lopsided this is..
My point is that TCU has already turned off the gas. It could have been worse.
By the end of the game, we may get 14 or even 17 points.. And maybe they score another touchdown and a couple field goals.. Score might be 52-17... but that will look better than what it really could have been, which is 70 - 0
The score won't reflect how completely dominated we are, but stats do.
3rd down conversions: KU 0/6 TCU: 10/10
Time of possession: KU: 11:08 TCU: 18:46
passing: KU 13yards TCU: 203
Total yards: KU 41 TCU 351
It's a survival instinct..
I haven't turned it off.. but my focus is now elsewhere.
Ugh. I hate when reality makes my optimism taste like a bitter pill. After 20 minutes, I'm hoping we can hold them to 35 in the half. We'll be lucky to score 21 in the game. At this point, looks like it could be a 70 point loss.
Agree. It's about calling representatives of a shoe company a booster. But given the ubiquity of contact between shoe company reps and coaches, if they come down on us and not on all the others, it will feel like being singled out.
Don't look. It's a car wreck.
Kcmatt7 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Cry me a river, Emmert. Apparently just allowing student atheltes to profit off their likeness is a bigger threat to college sports than systematic coverups of sexual assault (even against kids), academic fraud, coaches going to prison for bribery, etc. etc. etc. https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/ncaa-prez-calls-name-image-and-likeness-rights-an-existential-threat-to-college-sports/ ↗
Too complex to manage? Give me a break. If it's that difficult, maybe let someone else run the show.
Also though, according to his own words, only like one or two players each year would make any money.
By Emmert's own admission, only a few players will actually make any significant money. So, I wonder what's the NCAA's big concern if almost every player makes insignificant money? They seem to downplay the importance of this while at the same time calling it an existential threat. Which is it?
But, if the NCAA is unable to manage in a world where states make their own legislation, then wouldn't that mean the NCAA is lacking in requisite institutional oversight?
That sounds like a familiar tune.
Anyone know case law precedent on a victim being tried as a perpetrator of the crime for which they were exonerated?
I understand that the NCAA is not a court and therefore not beholden to double jeopardy laws, etc. Just curious if there's some place where this has happened.
Also - really curious about the definition of a booster. If what I've read is true -- that the NCAA suggests that it is anyone who influences (payment or not) an athlete toward a school (or schools), then that seems unenforceable. And indeed, this goes on everywhere and has been going on forever.
That would be a thumb to the nose at the NCAA.
Also, the timing of this comes after KU beat Duke three times straight. Could it be that someone's knickers are in a twist?
oops, was that innuendo?
Kcmatt7 said:
The NCAA themselves, lack institutional control.
^^^^^ This is the quote.
In an age of broken institutions that operate with double-standards and hypocrisy, the NCAA is a model.
@jhawk7782 I was just going back to the Wooden era where there's been pretty well-documented accounts of the payments.. but I don't dispute that it may have been going on more than 50 years ago.
All the more damning for the NCAA to have not found a way to build a system that was fair and enforceable. It's a feckless institution that is out of step with the world.
wissox said:
I always crack up at the everyone's doing it excuse. That's admitting guilt. When we're at that stage, we deserve whatever the penalty is. I'm still miffed at this as I was thinking everything had been resolved.
"Everyone's doing it" is not necessarily admitting guilt.
Sometimes, it's shining a spotlight on a bad law or rule -- as in one that is unenforceable, or out of touch with the times, and needs to be changed.
There are plenty of examples.. the 55 mph speed limit (amended), Jim Crow laws (repealed) come to mind...
Anyway, I tend to be in the camp that believes this has been going on since the 60s and has become institutionalized by the shoe companies.
For those who ask-- where are the whistleblowers? I would say there have been plenty through the years. Some the NCAA investigates.. others it does not (among its many displays of hypocrisy) It is rarely in anyone's best interest to call it out, so it is usually from some disgruntled person.
Also, the money isn't going to the student-athlete... at least, not directly. The money flows through the ecosystem of people surrounding the athlete... Relatives (not parents!), guardians, trainers and AAU coaches, etc. The distance from the players shields the player and the coaching staff and allows them to deny taking payments "truthfully".
When was the last time we had a coach with a winning record three games into the season?
no love for Josh Selby?
sad face.
:-)
Depressing.. and yet reassuring.
If a player did something while they were at school --during their tenure with the team -- and subsequently left the program and even left the university, it's still relevant news. Sometimes, even if they do something after leaving the team, it is news. It just depends on what they did while they were at school and the nature of the incident.
Remember it cuts both ways. When a former student-athlete (or even student) does something great, it will also be newsworthy.
HighEliteMajor said:
Leftists themselves are cowards.
Courage -- and the lack thereof -- is independent of ideology.
The brooklyn deal just got hotter. KD and DeAndre with Kyrie.
@dylans ah.. i get it, but it kind of sucks...
Didn't know there was a serving of humble pie for everyone involved.
The athlete
The university
The guardian
The shoe company...
... sorry, fell asleep and was dreaming for a moment.
Given the NCAA has administered it's ruling and punishment (2 year suspension) and then further adjusted that punishment, deeming it too excessive (now 1 year), wouldn't further review (to ultimately determine that games must be vacated) be considered double jeopardy?
A few weeks back, wasn't there a story about some guy who said there would be schools named by the end of the month from the FBI investigation? Curious what the status is.
Rex Walters was from Cali
Our defense has lacked shot-blockers the last year or two. I could see that changing next year. And shot-blocking could be a determining factor in rotation of the front-court. Silvio and Doke have a bit more experience in this dept, but Dave's size suggests he should be able to be a factor. It's a skill in which instincts and timing can be an equalizer to athleticism.
It's been a decade since KU football attracted talent. I don't want to get ahead of myself -- we still need to see what happens on the field -- but the vibe from and around the program seems greatly improved.
Fun team! Awesome idea!
nuleafjhawk said:
@FarmerJayhawk Don't you think the time he's spent on the bench last season watching this team disintegrate before his eyes should be punishment enough?
I can't speak for others, but I know I felt punished.
regarding Doke's free throw shooting... didn't the doctors insert a tiny device during his wrist surgery that can flick the ball with precise force to reach the basket from the foul line? He just has to hold his arm straight...
because while you and I are watching the game, we don't see the $$$$ under the table.
Amen.
Between these one-and-dones and the situational officiating, I've really become cynical.
I even picked Virginia to win the NC because I figured the NCAA would want to take the sting out of last year's historic loss and get an exciting story line.
Virginia was not the best team in their conference, and I don't think you can even say that they "caught lightening in a bottle" in March and rode a wave to the championship.
No, that was more Texas Tech, which won the first 4 games by a huge 15 pt average margin of victory. And then beat Mich State by 10.
Virginia's average margin of Victory for the first 4 games was 9.5. Then they beat Auburn by 1.
Yet somehow, Virginia won it all.
In Wednesday's WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-most-unlikely-story-ever-how-virginia-pulled-off-the-improbableagain-11554817507 ↗ An article was devoted to the statistical anomaly of Virginia's late game comebacks:
1) Virginia beat Purdue after trailing by 3 points with 17 seconds left, when they had a 9% chance of winning. They had to hit a shot as time expired to force overtime.
"No team that would go on to win a national championship in at least the last decade had ever come back from such an improbable position in the tournament."
2) Next game they had a 4% chance of winning. Auburn led 61-57 with 17 seconds left, and by 2 points with 1 second left. Of course, the foul on the 3-pt attempt bailed out Virginia.
3) In the championship vs Texas Tech, win probability was 11.7% when Virginia was down 3 with 22 seconds left.
Chances of pulling off all three comebacks (9%, 4% and 11.7%) in succession is 0.04% -- roughly 1 in 2500.
But that's just to win the championship.
Consider how likely it is to be the first 1-seed to lose to a 16-seed and then win the championship the next year -- not to mention, to do it in such an unlikely way.
I'm kind of an Ocham's razor kind of guy. Is the most likely explanation of this the "natural randomness of life", or is it that things were unnaturally nudged?
Or maybe God just loves Virginia Basketball.
It's a great breakdown and comparison... a little bit of salt in the wound :-)
We can talk about what we wish Self had done, but we can't escape this simple reality:
Virginia = Nike
KU = Adidas
argh. ugly flashback.
Average Margin of Victory in the tournament
Auburn: 9 points
Virginia: 9.5
Michigan State: 12.5
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Texas Tech: 15
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A TT final four appearance would be good for the B12.
A NC win would be good for Roy as a KU connection. It's a bit of our legacy.
I guess if Auburn advances, it makes our loss look a touch better... I'm not sure I buy into that thinking... but anyway...
Michigan St is due. They have had a drought similar to KU from 88-08. And Izzo has been there the whole time. I like that loyalty and stability. Good for the Champions Classic too.
Virginia would be redemption. (but gawd, the ugly games we'd have to endure along the way..)
Gonzaga would be a victory for the non-power conferences.
UK and Duke are flush and spoiled.
Of the remaining four, it's hard to get excited.. (unless you're from one of those schools).
VaTech: I could see them upsetting Duke, but would far prefer Mich State to prevail to the FF.
LSU: I just am burned out on the SEC... so they are tainted by association.
Purdue? Houston? I guess the boilermakers would be an interesting, kind of surprising FF team. Maybe a Cinderella of sorts.
Status on Dotson, anyone?
Forgot what a competitive game that was until about 5m 30s left. We were hanging on for dear life for 35 min and then broke free.
@cragarhawk I agree that chance favors the prepared mind.
I think @DanR equates "want it more" to doing all it takes to win, including having "a prepared mind". It didn't look like we were fully prepared for this game.
That's a rarity in the Bill Self era. I saw a few Roy Williams teams show up like that and he would call a time out, scream "dad-gum-it" and sub out all five starters.
Also, teams shot out of their minds against us this year. It's happened in passed years too, but it seems like every other game our opponent gets into the "can't-miss-from-3" zone and someone has a career night.. Maybe that's because our defense is bad, but maybe it's a bit of bad luck too.
cragarhawk said:
@bskeet no that isn't what it means. The streak was definitely accomplished by scratching and clawing for years against some stiff competition. And vs teams with players of the year and so on. It is not to diminish what's been done. It's how that actually was done. Lots and lots of effort. Which you didn't see largely this season. That's the point.
I mean seriously? This OU team is actually better than KU this season? And by 20 points? West Virginia is better than KU this season? Uh... No sir
Well, the evidence suggests we are a Jekyll and Hyde team.
At home things we can look great; on the road, we are not good... possibly bad.
But we will see soon enough how we perform on a neutral floor.
cragarhawk said:
Very very proud of the streak. It was a phenomenal run. It's sad to see it end by losing to subpar teams rather than someone who is just plain better. But even more sad to see that it will probably actually end a year shy for ncaa violations.
I see what you mean, but if we are losing to subpar teams, then it means we built the streak by beating subpar teams. True, it's not the ACC or B10, but dissing the other teams unintentionally degrades the accomplishment.
If I'm not mistaken, of all the teams in the B12, OU is the only other that has reached the Final Four... They have a great coach. Yeah, their record isn't great, but their SOS is 10th.
We are not an experienced team this year. We're going to finish 3rd or so.. It is what it is.
Welp, I stand by them when they win and I'll stand by them when they lose.
They need to find their mojo soon if they want to find some silver linings in this season. I'll keep watching and hoping there's a rabbit up Self's sleeve.